32TB of ULTRA FAST NVMe SSD the Micron 9400 Pro
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- This is the fastest high-capacity 32TB NVMe SSD available on the market. We test the Micron 9400 Pro 30.72TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD with 17 different systems including AMD EPYC (including Genoa), Intel Xeon (including Sapphire Rapids), Arm servers and DPUs from Ampere, Marvell, and Huawei, and even an IBM Power9 system to see how the drive performs on different architectures.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
02:13 Micron 9400 Pro Overview
06:26 "Getting Real" About SSD Endurance
08:46 Micron 9400 Pro Performance
17:44 Key Lessons Learned
18:46 Wrap-up
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I need at least 32 of these. For reasons.
Who doesn't?
24 is already enough for me 😂
My wallet doesn't.
I need 8 !!
$134,499 Please! Thank you please come again.
Can’t wait for them to appear on eBay in 5-10 Years :) It will look good in my homelab 😊
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why anyone would buy a used SSD that isn't 3D XPoint is beyond me. Good luck with those.
@@timramich when in an array with dual parity who cares?
@@geofrancis2001 Good luck with your adventures
To be fair, these are much larger than Optane drives
IBM's been delivering 38.4 TB NVMe FlashCore Modules for several years now and their latest version FCM 3.0 (PCIe Gen4 U.2, 2.5" format) delivers 115.2 TB Usable QLC, enterprise performance - >= 50µs.
These are 10us write latency TLC drives that go in any server. FlashCore does not help if you need in-server storage for Dell, HPE, Lenovo, Inspur, Supermicro, and etc. We showed a Pure Storage node in this that has even larger modules, but those are not for general purpose server use as well
Love seeing Tableau slides. You guys get to play with some fun toys, we appreciate you keeping us informed. Keep it up!
We run a 20PB Ceph cluster that is only 20 1U Supermicros with Intels 32TB QLC drives. We're at about 9 months with zero failures and none of our disk write life has left 100% remaining.
I think we are going to do an update to the old endurance study this year. These are TLC drives though.
That sounds amazing
Can you disclose which company you’re working for? Is this for internal use or are you just offering this storage to other companies?
Are you using it as a object/backup store or as a Blackstone? On our Openstack RBD Cluster the first few NVMes started to fail (but it’s manageable besides the rather expensive large overhead you need to keep free and replicate)
None have 100% remaining?
@@erbalumkan369 They mean the drives write life hasn't dropped below 100% yet.
Thank you very much for covering in depth. I'm always looling forward to a new video from STH..
Thanks for the video Patrick!
Oh the irony of saying "how big 32 GB is" in the intro :D We have all made that mistake tho, it happens :D
Non-stop
I have a 32GB SATA SSD drive from 2012, it was my boot drive for my desktop for a number of years, and even had the swap partition on it for a few years. In 2017 it moved over to another machine, still as boot drive with swap partition, but it's a router machine now. It still works great, the router logs get written to it.
Heh, I still have my 30GB OCZ Vertex from 2010. No use for it at the moment though, it came out of the ASUS Eee that had XP on it for a couple of old programs.
impressive indeed! thank you for the efforts.
Many thanks!
Thanks for spicing up my day Patrick.
Doing an IBM LinuxOne initial spec meeting next month, they have NVMe adapters available for them as well and this would be a rather nice thing to put in there - zLinux storage has always been a bit of a pain point in our shop so this would reduce the number of drive adapters needed nicely. They still haven't made them available to traditional mainframe OS's yet but getting our Linux stuff faster is worthy on its own.
We run 18 9300 7.68TB spread on three nodes with ceph - amazing.
Not so amazing: one drive failed and micron has not been able to get us a working drive back. It's now almost four weeks since RMA...
Did you have your own cold spare handy? I never like relying on RMA supply chains for things like hard drives.
@@ferdievanschalkwyk1669 no, we don't. But ceph is extremely flexible and we are not even close to capacity. But it's likely that we get a cold spare in the next couple years, if the demand rises as it is currently.
That sounds sexy
Dang, I've got about 75-100x 15.36tb nvme's. Glad to see quick ones like this as well can't wait to get my hands on some of these for our clients.
what do you need that much storage for?
I'm 3 mins. into this, and just hit liked and subscribed! I saw this on Newegg, looked it up, and it looks like you just about scooped everyone.❤
Ha! Thanks! Welcome to the STH community.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Certainly. One question: I have a regular computer with Intel 13900K Raptor CPU, Z-690 Motherboard, and plenty of DDR-5 Ram. Is there an adaptor that I can use to put a smaller version of this on there, and still hit the same speeds? - Or this one for future use.
0:52 said Gigabytes. I don’t blame you! It’s HUGE!
yeah 32TB solid state doesn't compute, hell it's large even by spinner standards! :)
This thing is sick, it's amazing how physically small it is.
I wish these drive filter down to consumer, a 16TB using U.2 connection sounds great.
Hey Patrick, can you talk about the longevity of the media in these devices going forward? If I store my families picture on it, how long will they be readable? 5 years? 10 years?
Two questions:
(1) how long until Linus calls you up to Vancouver for a refreshed Petabyte server with these drives?
(2) is there a server on the market today that could handle 60-80 of these in a single chassis, and what kind of crazy throughput could something like that get in the real world? Would 100G networking even be enough I/O to saturate the drives? Would the I/O dies on the Genoa CPU’s (or Sapphire Rapids and their accelerators) be able to saturate that many PCIe lanes simultaneously?
Filed under: first world problems. LMAO.
(1) Probably not too long...
(2) Absolutely not. LTT did a petabyte of flash video where they talkt about the challenges associated with managing and efficiency utilizing that kind of storage. With EPIC Milan on you could expect around 100GB/s of raw throughput to all nvme drives combined and with a filesystem like ZFS on top of that maybe a fourth (around 25GB/s) which is 100Gbit/s. Even if Genova can handle twice that, it's not enough. At those scales the CPUs PCIe bandwidth is dangerously close to main memory levels, and the overhead (especially if you want to utilize the drives for more than sequentially reading blocks from them) of using them is pretty significant. Any truly high performance solution would consist of a bunch of 1U or even blade chassis holding a few drives, the necessary networking and functioning as a node in a distributed storage cluster.
80 of these drives would have a theoretical throughput of over 500GB/s (more than 4TBit/s). They would be bottlenecked by basically any single system.
Echostreams put 108 E1.Ls in a 2U chassis, not exactly U.2 but that’s the densest I’ve seen
How are you testing this U.3 drives? i mean how are you connecting them? I had some PCIe 3.0 U.2 cards that are not working on a 7450, just wondering what hardware do you use to recognize the U.3 9400 drives?
Thought I was nuts getting a u.2 7.68TB PM9A3 for my desktop.
Wish you had done some benchmarks against Optane !
$120 per TB. Not bad at all
Totally... And on a day I was looking at Mac SSD pricing
I think we are way overdue. Someone is definitely price gouging for the last 15 years. We need more pc enthusiasts to speak out. Give it to the users not the big corperations. Let them skyrocket the metal they invest into.
$20 per TB would be better haha
I have a second hand budget ssd (with tlc) that have 4 times the rated TBW endurance and still working fine.
I purchased 2 micron 1100 2tb drives off of Ebay awhile back and it is amazing how fast these drives are considering the limitations of sata 6.
Very Impressive! (PF reference)
More storage videos please!
Ah yes finally we have nvme drive that can hold my entire steam library game
This is awesome! An all-SSD NAS is on the way.
Thank you
Dang, makes me want to build a backup to the $800k purestorage box.
What chassis would you use to build a storage system out of these with 24 + drives?
Unrelated, but is the Intel N100 the follow-on to the N5105? Any little pfSense boxes coming soon? I'm thinking of running a pfSense home router, and I'd rather not buy a box with a 2-year-old CPU.
4 in a raid0 would be nice - serve up alphafold - in just a few years these will be much more commonplace - people will run 10/20/30 of drives like these in one box - nvme and ssd should start to jump up in capacity - we have been stuck at 1/2/4/8tb for way too long - time for a paradigm shift not just for smb/ent but for consumer and prosumer mkt also - you can't stop progress
Very cool
That sounds dangerous, 128 TB compromised because a random drive went raw. Im already shuddering at the re-silver time of 32 TB (at SATA speeds).
Hmmm... 12V 3A. I wonder if one could be shoehorned into a TinyMiniMicro server? Maybe one of the ones with the top vent for a GPU fan.
I'm using a Micron 9400 32TB in my pc now that cost 3200€ in germany. What I want to see is an over 4 TB sequential write speed test, my high end ryzen 5950X gen 4 pc is hitting a real world write limit of 1,5GB/s to 2GB/s. Probably the SSDs can not write large amounts of data faster.
Meine 9400er hat zwar >7000 in CDM, aber real-life schreibt sie dauerhaft ca. 6600-6800 maximum. Mit Windows Explorer sogar noch weniger, so 3000-3500 sind auf AM4 mit Win11 max. Und mit einem schnelleren System (vielleicht irgendein 14900KS) wären wohl 4000-4500 möglich - Microsoft hat da schon gut nachgebessert, ist aber bei weitem nicht perfekt.
What OS are you using? Windows sucks ass at high performance.
Anyway why not use cheaper nvme drives on raid 0 for performance?
When you make a plot like that please order by performance so we can see which the best cpu platform was
sobs out for Optane!
I can’t wait for these to be completely mundane and commoditized in 5-10 years from now. If the tech industry still exists.
Would the features of this DRIVE be a good choice for server storage that consists of CONTENT? I would want to use this DRIVE to store educational content (like UDEMY).
When users log-in, they would want to be able to access their lesson content at will.
If I have 50,000 students simultaneously logged in and accessing training modules
would the read/write speed of the Micron 9400 Pro be able to handle the transfer of
lesson modules (or even the streaming of the lesson content)?
Content streaming (in this query) would possibly be handled by the server's RAM?
So having a large array of RAM (1.4TB) would be able to handle content streaming,
but workloads of content lesson upload/download is handled via a Micron 9400 Pro?
I do wonder what is going to be able to replace optane. Sadly it will probably be flash backed dram, which is just such a loss in technology.
He has always STH he wants to tell us 😁
I don't even know how you CAN make slow solid state storage once its at a large capacity... The very way solid state storage works, it is dead simple, manufactured from super common cheap components, and the more chips you put in parallel, the faster it gets and the more storage it has. They've been going out of their way to make it more expensive than mechanical hard drives on a per-GB basis for well over a decade now, illegally price-fixing the market (imagine that, the exact same companies that got busted for price-fixing RAM, then got busted for price-fixing LCD panels, then got busted for price-fixing RAM again, would dare to price-fix NAND flash!)
My backend storage array utilizes 4tb nvme drives. Those 32tb ones have got to cost and arm and a leg…
Finally found my next Steam SSD game drive! 🤤
That will hold almost 10 AAA games!
Is there a usb-c or thunderbolt enclosure that could hold this beast and connect to a macbook?
0:50 32GB?!!? Hmmm I got cha' covered...
if I want one of these in my consumer workstation, what PCIe adapter do I have to purchase?
ASUS make a PCIe x16 card that holds (4) M.2 NVMe drives. It requires a FULL x16 slot with PCIe bifurcation support in the BIOS (to make the x16 slot x4/x4/x4/x4). About $90. There are others - one from Asrock came with my Threadripper board. Kicks butt with ZFS arrays.
I'm baffled as to why consumer motherboards and laptops to not have u.2 but are still coming with ancient sata connectors that are no where near the speed or capacity of these beastly drives. I'm looking forward to having these natively supported on my system in the future. I had bought a pcie to u.2 adapter and my motherboard had no idea what to do with it
Obviously I need to put my games on this.
My main issue with really SSDs is that even with drives that can to like 1 DWPD or 3 DWPD, I will kill them in practically no time at all.
CAE/HPC applications produce a TON of temporary scratch data that's written to disk that is then deleted when the simulation is complete, leaving you with just the final results from the run.
Another thing that I also do is that instead of each of the individual compute nodes having a SSD as a scratch space for the applications, I also tend to pool the capacities of the SSDs together and put it all on to the compute cluster headnode, so that a) I can make a larger pool of storage from a combination of smaller drives, and b) different compute nodes will need to hit the scratch space at different points in time, so being able to share the resource also helps to make better use of the resources available.
So, even with a 30 TB SSD, rated for 1 DWPD, it is very easy for me to exceed that with four compute nodes running, simultaneously.
one of them in my workstation would avoid buillding a nas and all the associated infrastructure
can i put it in my gaming rig?
Can these drives survive an X50 CME?
How much does it cost?
Man that looks like the future hahaha.
Please don't kill me for asking this question, but how can I put a drive like this on my home pc? and... (pushing it) is there any workstation laptop that could carry a thing of this type? I do have a real use case for both as I travel a lot and don't want to access all of my data through network because some places I go don't have network (at all)
We have it in an upcoming workstation build in 2 weeks or so and show the connection.. On the laptop side, unlikely
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Great for the build. Latop wise I was thinking of HP ZBook Fury 17 G8 or Lenovo ThinkPad P16 G1 RTX A5500
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I cannot find your workstation video using the U.3 SSD. Can you please share the link?
I want one !!! Can I put one in a Nuc 12 ? What if I put it on a Intel Break Out NVMe board?????
These are too big for the NUC 12 Pro. I just recorded that video a few minutes ago.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Too big in size or capacity......there must be some NUC I can put it in for speed and huge capacity? Maybe a Intel NUC 12 Enthusiast Kit ('Serpent Canyon')
Seems Micron is getting overconfident with its B47R NAND. I have a 12.8TB PM1735, gotta see how this fairs with that.
Something else interests me is that, is this drive running native TLC nand, or it's QLC running on TLC mode?
Yes let's just take it apart and see😆
(correction: it should be B47R instead of B58)
youtu[dot]be/SW6OMTLj-eo and youtu[dot]be/kub6NhYVtyk 👁
@@Coool_ Actually it's two 88-layers stack together.
@@Alan_Skywalker some reference (links, docs, etc.) please!
@@Coool_ search memory technology 2021 trends & challenges.
Seems expensive at $3800, but it if it works out at $1900 for the 16tb and $950 for the 8tb, it seems inline with the 600+ that they charged for the 8tb Samsung QVO SSD (i've got one for my game installs)
More storage is always welcome and esp one with iops like this :D
Give it a few years and they'll be up for a couple hundred bucks or less on eBay if even for chicken feed as prices have dropped a lot in recent months for most drives.
@@MrKillswitch88 really could do with some 16tb units :D i guess just keep eye open
This isn't a consumer drive, comparing the price with a standard Samsung drive makes no sense.
@@metamon2704
It's a better deal for the same price!
I guess 750 MB/s is slow for an SSD, but it's still better than HDDs.
How can I connect it via cable (external) to my server?
Can I use this for steamdeck?
20TB Spinning HD has left the chat...
Nah because they get cheaper because of this!
Nvme?
Cant wait to pick one up from Microcenter for 50 bucks. Lol!
But can I use it in a normal pc ?
I'm fairly new to ServeTheHome, but I'm certain the cost will be prohibitive for home use.
STH has been around for ~14 years and is the largest server/ storage/ networking review website. Our YT is very small (~1/10th the main site) but we do videos on some fun items. So "home" is the /home/ directory in Linux, not someone's house.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Oh cool, thanks for explaining. I started here with the TinyMiniMicro nodes so I had a different idea in my head. That being said... I wish I could afford one of these drives! Cheers!
wow... so we are actually nearing 1000tb.... i wonder what it is called when it reaches 1000
1000 Terabyte = 1 Petabyte (PB)
Nothing mysterious about that.
Pedo bite
@@BBWahoo ................... control your anus
Hi, can I use the… Micron 7450 PRO - SSD - 15.36 TB - U.3 PCle 4.0 (NVMe) as a external hard drive for my 16” or 14” MacBook Pro M1 Max 10core CPU 32core GPU 64gb Ram and 2tb Ssd using an enclosure of up to 10gb speed bandwidth to connect the Micron ssd into one of the USB thunderbolt 3 C ports the Mac has? … to use it as an external hard drive to store music, videos, etc and interact through music files, music production, videos and video editing, etc to and from the ssd drive while working connected to it… pretty much just use it as storage/ working hard drive while operating the Mac laptop … and yes I want this 15tb of space/ storage capacity and the PCIe NVMe high transfer data speeds that it offers… so once I get it can I just reformat it on the Mac’s utility menu as Exfat so it could be operated to and from Macs and PCs? …please I need an input on this. 🙏 thank you in advance 🙏💯🫡
If you can get an enclosure that works with U.3 drives and that can cool the drive, then that should work.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo but does this drive work on Macs? Or only PCs OS? And would I be able to reformat it to Exfat so it could work on both Mac and PCs OSs?
What's the price?
$3800
@@Catge That's expensive 32 gigabytes!
Did he mention 32gig at 0:54 mark?
How much?
Damn I need 10 of those for like 300$ each
Can you use this on a regular desktop for video editing?
Of cause you can, why not? Just use an adaptor
@@Wlad1 Please what sort of adaptor?
@@Jerryossai I have five-six different possibilities/adapters to connect such SSDs. There are really many options - many different ones via M2 slot, but also directly via PCIe slot. And in an emergency even externally (via Thunderbolt). The possibilities are almost limitless - it all depends on your motherboard, of course.
Hello, test in CrystalDiskMark, please.
I need 4. I have an idea.
32 Gigabyte?
0:45 - "... how big 32 gigabytes is..."
So where do I sell a kidney?
$3800, tbh, isn't that bad
How much
Huge and fast. That’s my nick name.
So is it 32TB or 30.72TB? That's a whole ass terabyte they're leaving up to interpretation
30.72 usable, 32TB drive.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo rare for an SSD vendor to share the raw capacity, I wonder why they did it
I JUST bought a 7300 max lol. God dammit
I read it as 32GB for a second
The first thing i thought when i saw this was.. is this an Aliexpress scam? 32TB nvme? Gotta be a scam 🤣🤣
Bet it’s really quick… emptying your wallet 🧐😂👍
"Huge & Fast" lol 😏
Is this compatible with u.2?
Yes.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo THX
0:50 - Not "Giga", "Tera".
today we are lacking IOPS instead of GB/s
You think anyone will attempt to connect this to a PS5 just for the LOLs?
Pfft, I can get a 64TB SSD off of Amazon right now for 50 bucks!
That's a lot of data to lose in 1 device in a failure mode 😬
And if it’s like the five Samsung SSDs I’ve had to send back, in the past year, for RMA you won’t be happy.
"Who will use them?" Uhh... UA-cam I guess ;)
Where is Ice Lake Xeon D?
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@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, but they are quite hard to find anywhere to buy. A lot of places still had "coming soon" even recently.
One single problem: NAND.
Did Micron just KILL disk hard drives???
Not until they bring the cost down to that level.
@@Bob_Smith19 What's the cost then?