"Perhaps Miss Marianne, you think young man never honor their engagements little or great". How awful of Lucy to say something like that. She was really a bad intentionated person!! Love that scene!! : )
I love this scene. Horrid little Lucy has not yet seen Edward but he has clearly found time to visit Elinor! Lucy's face is a joy to behold when Edward's visit is announced.
Lucy Steele is one of the most two faced characters. She was making sure she dashed Elinor's hopes. Where is that scene where she gets the beat down of a life time from Edward's sister when Lucy tells here she is engaged to her brother. That scene never ceases to make me laugh - "we like you as long as you don't marry our brother" :)
Honestly, the funniest thing about that whole situation is that the whole reason Fanny had invited Lucy Steele to stay and showered her with so much "friendliness" was to snub the Dashwood sisters to begin with - because she knew Elinor liked Edward and wanted to make it known that she disapproved - only to find out that she'd had an undesired fiancee under her roof the entire time! No wonder she was so angry with Lucy! Though Lucy definitely got what she deserved too.
The surprise heroine of the scene is Marianne. Distressed as she is, she gives Edward the frank and friendly welcome that Elinor cannot muster. Her carelessness of convention -- she calls him by his first name -- proves to be a strength. She's also delightfully oblivious to Lucy's barb.
Nobody seems to be commenting on how Elinor collapses onto the sofa when Marianne (yet again) falsely accuses her of not "showing" her love for Edward enough. It's such an unjust criticism, and Elinor is profoundly wounded by it, but as usual, bears it with dignity. Elinor's dignity and self-command throughout the novel (and this movie) were just incredible.
3:14 love this bit when all the three women, each one with their own understanding of the situation, turn to this unbelievably unconfortable Edward LOL
I love it most when Lucy cruelly says "Perhaps Miss Marianne, you think young man never honour their engagements little or great", because I can imagine how difficult it was on Edward at this moment, first because he was seeing how despicable this woman he is engaged to is to say something like that to the mourning Marianne, and also because she was basically daring him to be that kind of man who doesn't honour his engagement... Edward was diffident and shy but he was also stuck in a very bad situation. I think he is the most honourable of Austen's men, in addition to Colonel Brandon and Captain Wentworth, and that's expected since Sense and Sensibility and Persuasion have a more serious undertone than the rest of Austen's books.
Good comments on Edward's feelings. We see how "besotted" he is by his secret fiancee when she asks him to escort her out. Edward's "...be my honour" is as close as he can come to spitting. Priceless.
Lucy: "I have not yet seen Edward, but I feel sure to very soon." [two seconds later] Servant announces: "There's a Mr. Edward Ferrars to see you, Miss Dashwood." 🤣
All the scenes are perfect. You can feel the emotion inside every heart, how Elinor is astonished, how Edward is desperate, how Lucy become a copy of the Snowhite's Queen
The London evening scene! "!WILLOUGHBY!" Oh heavens where is the Dick Tracy 's Fire escape at times like these " (He must of thought as Foo Fighters play[ Times Like These ]chorus in background)...Lol
Right.. there's something still likable about her underneath it all.. you have to consider the era.. she was "poor" and had to do what she needed in order to secure a life for herself.. she was two faced but more than that she was an opportunist ..whichever man had the deepest pockets was gonna be ok with her.. the Dashwood girls only married for love.. Ms. Steele was just trying to survive.
@@peachbellini2615 Oddly enough I like Miss Steele as a character, I would never want to be friends with someone like her but she was definitely interesting to read. She is as you said trying to survive and make the most out of her situation. This makes her actions and sceams more understandble and somewhat excusable. And the fact the married Edward's younger brother gives me so much pleasure. How in the world did she manage to do that is beyond me but whenever I think of fanny and her mom reaction I am all joy. It's just so beautiful :)
In the novel, it's clear that just about everyone likes Lucy and her sister (a complete airhead); even Mrs. Ferrars and Fanny come to accept her in time.
@@Lampritch Which is something I always wondered about. The Ferrars clearly care about appearances, so why did they prefer the poor Steele sisters over the once wealthy Dashwoods? Birds of a feather and all that? Or again, appearances?
Soulmates are likely to cross paths in numerous lifetimes- it is invariably depressing when one is lovesick, contemplating a union that is unwise. Only a fool will settle for that in which they are content, or a non-believer. Can I breathe without you in my life? You have yet to materialize, you magnificent creature with the glowing heart. The fake fates are playing matchmaker- failing misreably at it. I do not require your assistance in finding a suitable match for he already knows who he is. If it runs from you...I can assure you that it is not meant to be yours. The raven with the clipped wings may not be able to take flight but she can rip your heart out with her practiced talons. Caging what does not wish to be caught is a silly game for passion is a language that you will never understand nor master the art of. *sigh
People are reading this scene very differently than I did. Lucy didn't seem to know that the two had liked each other at all--her very first hint was in London with the older lady finally realizes who "Mr. F" was but any suspicion wasn't confirmed until this very scene when Edward comes to visit Elinor but not Lucy. She's discovering how close they were in this very moment--and as someone who has been engaged to him for five years I think she is fine being a BIT bitter about it. Of course what she pulls near the end is absolutely ridiculous, but I don't think this specific scene is.
You should follow Dr. Olivia Cox. She does excellent close readings of pieces of Jane Austen novels with explanations of out-model terms. One dealt with Lucy Steele and her sister “befriending” the Dashwood sisters.
Even if you think Lucy befriending Miss Dashwood wasn’t out of “protecting her interests” and was real friendship-to me Lucy Steele in this scene also isn’t showing real concern for Marianne or Miss Dashwood. Which is the supposed premise of Lucy’s visit. To come over and comfort Elinor who’s having to take care of her entire family during this (knowing too that it affects her as well, because scandal unfortunately reflects badly on the whole family generally back then) and particularly Marianne who’s been devastated. Essentially, Lucy comes in and immediately remarks about how she wouldn’t know what she’d do if SHE was jilted. That’s the wrong thing to say-it’s thinking of herself instead of Marianne or Elinor. Basically if Lucy was really being caring then she would have said something like, “Hey, let me know if there’s anything I can do. Do you want to take a walk? I know you’re going through a lot, and I’m here for you.” A real friend wouldn’t want to gossip about it and wouldn’t bring up themselves. Because they should be there to support their friend-to be a comfort. Whether that’s listening to the grieved or just being present and taking a walk or doing some activity together in silence. By bringing up her better situation-how she’s engaged-it’s cruel by any means. It’s rubbing in someone else’s face that point of her being better off than them. And honestly I think it’s even more insidious because I do think Lucy is suspicious of Elinor. I personally do think Lucy also seems to befriend Miss Dashwood not out of a desire for true friendship since the beginning. Because I remember in the film the very first time Lucy meets Elinor she tells Elinor her secret. Which is just crazy. To me I can’t see any way how Lucy would have told Elinor on their very first meeting that she was secretly engaged to someone, just because she was really wanting to be friends. I do think from the very beginning Lucy knew Elinor had met him and she was purposely protecting her interests only. Which granted, if you’re saying you can sympathize with Lucy trying to protect her engagement, I do agree with you there to an extent. However ultimately I think Lucy actually was wrong to hold him to their long engagement-basically if she really loved him she also wouldn’t have forced him to keep the engagement once she knew he no longer loved her. Or, if Lucy was extremely suspicious of him cheating on her then she probably should have also let him go. I never really get the feeling that Lucy is like Marianne-a woman who trusts her beloved completely and is completely sweet and innocent. I think it’s more like Lucy is suspicious of any woman near him and is not attempting to get out of the relationship even though she’s very suspicious of nefarious activity-basically even though she doesn’t trust him and hasn’t even spoken to him and doesn’t really attempt to have an in-depth discussion with him about their relationship anymore-even if it’s about her concerns. I think for Lucy it was about money-but once she finally learned he was going to be poor she then finally let him go. 😂 And ran off with his brother. But maybe I’m wrong.
@@iulia-catalinaplesca2837. That is what I always thought. In that light I have interpreted her imposing way of confiding in Elinor of her secret engagement of years without truly knowing her or even be on friendly terms with her. If Lucy has not spoken to a soul about it before, then why does she insist now on sharing her secret with Elinor specifically?🤔
To me, it's not just a "suggestion"; Lucy's motives are obvious. She hastens to confide in Elinor so she can press her claim on Edward: "back off". When Lucy senses that Elinor is too honourable to undermine her, she revels in Elinor's disappointment.@@iulia-catalinaplesca2837
Agreed. Have you read the book as well? She's even more disgusting there, especially when she tries manipulating Elinor into getting Edward Ferrars the church living at Norland, though she knows full well that it would be better to ask Fanny Dashwood, who is Edward Ferrars' sister.
It's been years since I've seen this movie, since it first came out, and I don't care for the actors, although they did do a surprisingly fine job, but none of them are as good as Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle in Pride and Prejudice.
Ahh old time English gentry, too full of false mannerisms and complicated etiquette to speak their minds more plainly. How many lost loves from misunderstandings or horrible mismatches from “declaring” yourself and unable to extricate yourself “honourably” .. ? “Sense & Sensibility”, I never understood why it’s titled as such unless it’s meant as a satire to those very attributes.
Keep in mind that 'sensibility' in Jane Austen's time had a different meaning. Today, we would call it 'sensitivity' or perhaps 'being highly strung, governed by emotions'. The 'sense' refers (mostly) to Eleanor, and the 'sensibility' (mostly) to the highly strung emotion-led Marianne.
"Here is someone to cheer you up!"
*Lucy comes in.*
Oh my god…
Elinors face!
We have ALL been THERE! LOL
Me: Ugh! what an ugly jacket and hat!
What an irony!
Ang Lee's direction was so impeccable in this film! It captured the awkwardness perfectly.
And Emma Thompsons brilliant write of the screenplay was fabulous.
"Perhaps Miss Marianne, you think young man never honor their engagements little or great". How awful of Lucy to say something like that. She was really a bad intentionated person!!
Love that scene!! : )
Marianne: Come sit down!
Edward: [looks around for an escape route, desperation on his face]
I love this scene. Horrid little Lucy has not yet seen Edward but he has clearly found time to visit Elinor! Lucy's face is a joy to behold when Edward's visit is announced.
Emma Thompson’s slight eyebrow quiver on seeing it’s actually Lucy Steele is genius.
Lucy Steele is one of the most two faced characters. She was making sure she dashed Elinor's hopes. Where is that scene where she gets the beat down of a life time from Edward's sister when Lucy tells here she is engaged to her brother. That scene never ceases to make me laugh - "we like you as long as you don't marry our brother" :)
Honestly, the funniest thing about that whole situation is that the whole reason Fanny had invited Lucy Steele to stay and showered her with so much "friendliness" was to snub the Dashwood sisters to begin with - because she knew Elinor liked Edward and wanted to make it known that she disapproved - only to find out that she'd had an undesired fiancee under her roof the entire time! No wonder she was so angry with Lucy! Though Lucy definitely got what she deserved too.
Yup
Imogen Stubbs is a really good actress. I went from absolutely despising her in this movie to absolutely broken-hearted for her in "A Summer Story"
She wanted to rub in the snub too.
The actress who plays Lucy is a very beautiful and soft spoken woman. Wow!
The surprise heroine of the scene is Marianne. Distressed as she is, she gives Edward the frank and friendly welcome that Elinor cannot muster. Her carelessness of convention -- she calls him by his first name -- proves to be a strength. She's also delightfully oblivious to Lucy's barb.
Nobody seems to be commenting on how Elinor collapses onto the sofa when Marianne (yet again) falsely accuses her of not "showing" her love for Edward enough. It's such an unjust criticism, and Elinor is profoundly wounded by it, but as usual, bears it with dignity. Elinor's dignity and self-command throughout the novel (and this movie) were just incredible.
3:14 love this bit when all the three women, each one with their own understanding of the situation, turn to this unbelievably unconfortable Edward LOL
Their timing is awesome!
I love it most when Lucy cruelly says "Perhaps Miss Marianne, you think young man never honour their engagements little or great", because I can imagine how difficult it was on Edward at this moment, first because he was seeing how despicable this woman he is engaged to is to say something like that to the mourning Marianne, and also because she was basically daring him to be that kind of man who doesn't honour his engagement...
Edward was diffident and shy but he was also stuck in a very bad situation. I think he is the most honourable of Austen's men, in addition to Colonel Brandon and Captain Wentworth, and that's expected since Sense and Sensibility and Persuasion have a more serious undertone than the rest of Austen's books.
I don't know, Mansfield Park was very serious as well. Even more so, I think, than Sense and Sensibility.
Good comments on Edward's feelings. We see how "besotted" he is by his secret fiancee when she asks him to escort her out. Edward's "...be my honour" is as close as he can come to spitting. Priceless.
He wanted to see Elinor, and ends up taking Lucy home. Ugg
Lucy: "I have not yet seen Edward, but I feel sure to very soon."
[two seconds later]
Servant announces: "There's a Mr. Edward Ferrars to see you, Miss Dashwood."
🤣
All the scenes are perfect. You can feel the emotion inside every heart, how Elinor is astonished, how Edward is desperate, how Lucy become a copy of the Snowhite's Queen
Mrs. Jennings: Here's someone to cheer you up, Miss Dashwood.
Elinor: I don't think so.
Love Mrs. Jennings.
This is my favorite scene from the entire movie- it never fails to crack me up
The London evening scene!
"!WILLOUGHBY!" Oh heavens where is the Dick Tracy 's Fire escape at times like these " (He must of thought as Foo Fighters play[ Times Like These ]chorus in background)...Lol
I ABSOLUTELY love the moment when she says "do sit down" 😈😈😈
SCREW YOU LUCY FRICKIN STEELE
Aah! I never thought that a movie could make me pour out so much emotion. Well done Jane Austen. Well done
Ich liebe diesen Film seit er in die Kinos kam.Dieses auf und ab und verbergen der Gefühle.Wunderbar von den Darstellern gespielt.
I adore Kate Winslet! She is so amazing, especially after I have watched the new Marianne so much.
I love this movie so much
Elinor almost decked her right there.
Out of all the adaptations, this Lucy seems to be the nicest (even though she's still plenty too faced) of all of them.
Right.. there's something still likable about her underneath it all.. you have to consider the era.. she was "poor" and had to do what she needed in order to secure a life for herself.. she was two faced but more than that she was an opportunist ..whichever man had the deepest pockets was gonna be ok with her.. the Dashwood girls only married for love.. Ms. Steele was just trying to survive.
@@peachbellini2615 Oddly enough I like Miss Steele as a character, I would never want to be friends with someone like her but she was definitely interesting to read. She is as you said trying to survive and make the most out of her situation. This makes her actions and sceams more understandble and somewhat excusable. And the fact the married Edward's younger brother gives me so much pleasure. How in the world did she manage to do that is beyond me but whenever I think of fanny and her mom reaction I am all joy. It's just so beautiful :)
In the novel, it's clear that just about everyone likes Lucy and her sister (a complete airhead); even Mrs. Ferrars and Fanny come to accept her in time.
@@Lampritch Which is something I always wondered about. The Ferrars clearly care about appearances, so why did they prefer the poor Steele sisters over the once wealthy Dashwoods? Birds of a feather and all that? Or again, appearances?
Harriet Walter and Imogen Stubbs must have had a blast with their roles.
One of the best scenes ever! 🤣😂
Loved Mrs. Jennings.
Soulmates are likely to cross paths in numerous lifetimes- it is invariably depressing when one is lovesick, contemplating a union that is unwise. Only a fool will settle for that in which they are content, or a non-believer.
Can I breathe without you in my life? You have yet to materialize, you magnificent creature with the glowing heart. The fake fates are playing matchmaker- failing misreably at it.
I do not require your assistance in finding a suitable match for he already knows who he is.
If it runs from you...I can assure you that it is not meant to be yours. The raven with the clipped wings may not be able to take flight but she can rip your heart out with her practiced talons. Caging what does not wish to be caught is a silly game for passion is a language that you will never understand nor master the art of.
*sigh
People are reading this scene very differently than I did. Lucy didn't seem to know that the two had liked each other at all--her very first hint was in London with the older lady finally realizes who "Mr. F" was but any suspicion wasn't confirmed until this very scene when Edward comes to visit Elinor but not Lucy. She's discovering how close they were in this very moment--and as someone who has been engaged to him for five years I think she is fine being a BIT bitter about it.
Of course what she pulls near the end is absolutely ridiculous, but I don't think this specific scene is.
You should follow Dr. Olivia Cox. She does excellent close readings of pieces of Jane Austen novels with explanations of out-model terms. One dealt with Lucy Steele and her sister “befriending” the Dashwood sisters.
Even if you think Lucy befriending Miss Dashwood wasn’t out of “protecting her interests” and was real friendship-to me Lucy Steele in this scene also isn’t showing real concern for Marianne or Miss Dashwood.
Which is the supposed premise of Lucy’s visit. To come over and comfort Elinor who’s having to take care of her entire family during this (knowing too that it affects her as well, because scandal unfortunately reflects badly on the whole family generally back then) and particularly Marianne who’s been devastated.
Essentially, Lucy comes in and immediately remarks about how she wouldn’t know what she’d do if SHE was jilted. That’s the wrong thing to say-it’s thinking of herself instead of Marianne or Elinor.
Basically if Lucy was really being caring then she would have said something like, “Hey, let me know if there’s anything I can do. Do you want to take a walk? I know you’re going through a lot, and I’m here for you.”
A real friend wouldn’t want to gossip about it and wouldn’t bring up themselves. Because they should be there to support their friend-to be a comfort. Whether that’s listening to the grieved or just being present and taking a walk or doing some activity together in silence.
By bringing up her better situation-how she’s engaged-it’s cruel by any means. It’s rubbing in someone else’s face that point of her being better off than them. And honestly I think it’s even more insidious because I do think Lucy is suspicious of Elinor.
I personally do think Lucy also seems to befriend Miss Dashwood not out of a desire for true friendship since the beginning. Because I remember in the film the very first time Lucy meets Elinor she tells Elinor her secret. Which is just crazy. To me I can’t see any way how Lucy would have told Elinor on their very first meeting that she was secretly engaged to someone, just because she was really wanting to be friends.
I do think from the very beginning Lucy knew Elinor had met him and she was purposely protecting her interests only.
Which granted, if you’re saying you can sympathize with Lucy trying to protect her engagement, I do agree with you there to an extent. However ultimately I think Lucy actually was wrong to hold him to their long engagement-basically if she really loved him she also wouldn’t have forced him to keep the engagement once she knew he no longer loved her. Or, if Lucy was extremely suspicious of him cheating on her then she probably should have also let him go. I never really get the feeling that Lucy is like Marianne-a woman who trusts her beloved completely and is completely sweet and innocent.
I think it’s more like Lucy is suspicious of any woman near him and is not attempting to get out of the relationship even though she’s very suspicious of nefarious activity-basically even though she doesn’t trust him and hasn’t even spoken to him and doesn’t really attempt to have an in-depth discussion with him about their relationship anymore-even if it’s about her concerns. I think for Lucy it was about money-but once she finally learned he was going to be poor she then finally let him go. 😂 And ran off with his brother.
But maybe I’m wrong.
The suggestion I got from the book and the movie is that her suspicions are what make Lucy visit Mrs Jennings
@@iulia-catalinaplesca2837. That is what I always thought. In that light I have interpreted her imposing way of confiding in Elinor of her secret engagement of years without truly knowing her or even be on friendly terms with her. If Lucy has not spoken to a soul about it before, then why does she insist now on sharing her secret with Elinor specifically?🤔
To me, it's not just a "suggestion"; Lucy's motives are obvious. She hastens to confide in Elinor so she can press her claim on Edward: "back off". When Lucy senses that Elinor is too honourable to undermine her, she revels in Elinor's disappointment.@@iulia-catalinaplesca2837
Lucy was nothing but a lying phony, she knew Edward has feelings for eleanor. I love this movie.
She did not care about him.. She was only after him because he was from a rich family.
Agreed. Have you read the book as well? She's even more disgusting there, especially when she tries manipulating Elinor into getting Edward Ferrars the church living at Norland, though she knows full well that it would be better to ask Fanny Dashwood, who is Edward Ferrars' sister.
@@IAmThe_RA And because he validated her ego.
The poor boy.
Como olvidar cuando a Edward se le juntó el ganado
Me hizo reir tu comentario que gracioso jaja
A beautiful adaptation 😊
The best scene ever!
Edward is hot
Brief indeed!!!
so intense
I loved this film. But no good servant ever knocks at a door before entering. Just a point of protocol.
Well, they were all guests except Mrs Jennings.
How rude
He was trying to ms.dashwwood before his sis. Came in and interrupt at the stable
La commère de service…
I could have drop keep her.
awkwierd!
Miss Steele. Such a snot!
But a very clever manipulator. The way she gradually reveals her "secret" to Elinor in the book is genius.
It's been years since I've seen this movie, since it first came out, and I don't care for the actors, although they did do a surprisingly fine job, but none of them are as good as Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle in Pride and Prejudice.
Ahh old time English gentry, too full of false mannerisms and complicated etiquette to speak their minds more plainly. How many lost loves from misunderstandings or horrible mismatches from “declaring” yourself and unable to extricate yourself “honourably” .. ? “Sense & Sensibility”, I never understood why it’s titled as such unless it’s meant as a satire to those very attributes.
Yes, Miss Dashwood is the embodiment os Sense as Miss Marianne is of Sensibility.
Keep in mind that 'sensibility' in Jane Austen's time had a different meaning. Today, we would call it 'sensitivity' or perhaps 'being highly strung, governed by emotions'. The 'sense' refers (mostly) to Eleanor, and the 'sensibility' (mostly) to the highly strung emotion-led Marianne.
@@raynehall5464 nope, if you read European history, it was mostly complicated etiquette in courting and highly affected mannerisms
@@LisaG442 Indeed? I find your interpretation of European history, language and literature astonishing. So refreshingly different from the facts. 😂
@@raynehall5464 I’m glad you think yourself so much smarter than me and more well read .. sleep well with that knowledge