Why do most Brits hate French cars😂. I owe a 2011 C4 Picasso 1,6THP Automatic Tendance. Drives absolutely great. Has 198.000 miles on it .yes she lives to drink alot, but sure worth the 4000 euros i paid for her
The UK is hilarious to me. The cars you get the previous owner sells because of a light on the dash, or some scuffs on the door and they're like "oh bollocks its knackered, sell it for 5 quid" lol meanwhile here in the US people buy cars with well over 200k miles on them COMPLETELY trashed, I mean crushed on one or both ends, bits falling off, NO paint left, every service light on and they drive these things until they literally will not drive another inch. The MOT where I live is "oh it still kinda starts...pass". Such a stark difference in safety standards
What always amazes me with these kinds of videos is how they always go for a drive with basically no fuel in it, with a flashing light, warnings and all. My anxiety wouldn't allow me to do that.
Once upon a time, Magazines used to tell you how important it was to clean your car before sale. 30 years on "Needs a good clean" is part of the selling patois on eBay.
I've had a grand version of that car for a few years and it's been ultra reliable. It's always had a slight knock in the suspension but has never become bad enough to investigate. Transmission is automated manual gearbox, based on the six speed synchro found in a lot of manual PSA cars. Going from first gear to second just requires you to briefly back of the accelerator or as you did, use the paddle shifter. I was intrigued to see the left hand glovebox lid turned inside out. We have plenty of sun here in Australia but mine hasn't curled up yet!
my dad's got a grand picasso version of these with the same 1.6 hdi and the egs auto. does change gear quite slowly but thats just how they are. we had a similar suspension knock and it was something in front suspension but wasnt an expensive fix i dont think. yours seems to be a top spec exclusive as well so a few little extras like the auto climate controls and scented air freshener!
Got a 2012 C4GP,tell ya dad might be worth using the paddle shifters to change up from 1st into 2nd, find its much smoother and then sticking it into auto as auto changes at low speeds on mine are a dogs dinner compared to manual paddle shift changes
Just so you are aware, thats the 2.0 hdi and not the 1.6 hdi. If you put the gearbox into manual mode and rev it out to 4000rpm and change gear with the paddles it changes gear quite fast. I have a C4 GP 1.6 and and two C4 picasso 5 seaters, one with 1.6 hdi and the other with the 2.0 hdi.
I watch a number of the you tube car sites and always amazed at the state some people keep their cars in. It's not expensive to spend £2 on the vacuums at car wash sites and then the cheapest drive through ones are £2.50 . It's not a valet but at least it shows a bit of care
I know, you think I wonder what your home is like?? Ok, times are a little hard, but run the hoover around it 1st! I went to buy a car years ago and there was a dried out dog poo in the boot!!!! I told him and he laughed. Had the cheek to say " You want it or not?" I just laughed and walked away from him.
Hi we had one of these cars and we found a break in the wire loom at the back of the battery box and it's a common fault and can cause all kinds of faults from memory it's the purple wire which comes from the box on top off the battery
I took the newer face lifted version out for a test drive, the seats were fantastic so comfy, only issue was the gear change, massive clonk when changing, search online and they said there were solenoid valves which played up and it was expensive, I really wanted it, best drive I had in ages
I have a '09 C4 Grand Picasso 1.6 diesel, two owners with FSH but 162000 miles. WBAC have just offered me £375, before I go in and they change the offer to £100. I'll be keeping it for a long time yet, even though it's bigger than I need.
You could test the battery/altanator on the road test by turning all the electrical stuff on, like everything lights rear window heater fan on full with the wipers going radio on full blast etc The steering will normally go stiffer if it's electrical assisted as the voltage drops
Mine is EGS gearbox, yes, the infamous EGS. This one i Exclusive, so it has air suspension in the back. Mine is Business package, I have it for about 4 years. Yes, they are prone to electronic problems. But nothing that other manufacturer's have.
The gearboxes on them Picassos are nothing but trouble. Get it sorted and trade it immediately. Electronically controlled I believe, loads on eBay as spares.
I once made the mistake of buying a Peugeot back in the early 90's. Never again. I'd much rather undergo a rectal examination using a cactus, than buy another French car.
@@Brian-om2hh I've a 1993 Peugeot 306 and our family have had maybe Renaults, they've been up there with the most satisfying and reliable cars we've owned.... admittedly they weren't MK2 Meganes or anything as they're crap.
Wonder if front springs are broken as it looks low, that would put strain on the steering so maybe explain the pas light, also would explain the rattles.
I really rate Citroen Picasso's, they don't deserve the hate they get. Although the automatic ones of that shape (semi automatic actually, they're just a robotic manual) are absolutely terrible on all accounts. Horrible and uncooperative to drive. I've got an old Xsara Picasso myself as my big useful runner and it's comfortable, reliable, cheap to fix and maintain. It's a 1.6 petrol so a bit gutless and thirsty but other than that I'd say infinitely better than a Zafira or whatever. And manufacturers just don't make those sort of MPVs any more
I have the diesel auto 1.6 grand C4, 2008, great car, been in the family for about 7 years, never had any major issues, all wear and tear stuff. And 45 to 50 mpg.... All day long... (Urban)
You were driving a single clutch robot, it's normal they change a little rougher than turbine boxes. Thouse cars are really good as long you avoid the 1.6 thp the bmw/psa. I have seen almost 600.000 km woth the 2.0 hdi, also the 1.6 hdi works well if you look after certain issues. The clutch/flywheel needs replacement after 200.000 km onwards. Electrics work well as long as you keep the fuseboxes dry. Sometimes behind the battery you might find some electric wires corroded.
I think that’s probably the best action moving this on. It’s a “Shitroen” and can be problematic. I know Matt of High Peak hates these things and there’s probably good reason.
the Picasso is not an auto box, its manual with a clutch with the gears and clutch controlled [ slowly ] by a little "robot" the control is self learning and needs reset occasionally to get clean changes back, these are just as economical as the the purely manual version, well worth £500 👍 it would be handy if there is a fault code stored
I wouldn't worry too much about a notchy gear change. My mother-in-law had one from new and it was exactly the same, like a punch in the back every time it changed up. Very quirky and practical, granted, but also not one I'd be keen on being on the hook for any big repairs for the next 6 months.
I have had this vehicle since 2007 still driving it today 7 seater use it for the Grandkids I have replaced normal stuff brakes tiers radiator l have put a new radiator and put on two new sills replaced cam belt and water pump it’s manual with real comfortable interior and as 140 thousand plus diesel 1600 cc l like it cheaper than buying a new car serviced every year. Good cars
I had a 2011 2.0 HDI manual one of these in Diablo red with piano black roof. extremely rare. Also had cream Alcantara interior with heated powered seats. it was a real stunner with a full history, quick and super comfy but it was constantly breaking. Part exchanged it for a Mitsubishi after 18 months. have a friend who bought the 1.6 auto. has spent a fortune on it. YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
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I've a C3 Picasso that has had its electric power steering motor fail. Apparently they did a recall - I'd already changed mine before I discovered that - so maybe an intermittent fault, or a sign it is on its way out?.
James if I were you I’d trade the Citroen C4 Picasso out unless there’s paperwork in its history for gearbox replacement. The EGC auto gearbox is a nightmare on these for failing and it’s a £2k-£2.5k job to replace the electronics in the gearbox. It’s an automated manual rather than a proper torque converter auto box. Values are fairly low on these as well so not worth taking the chance on unless it’s already had the work done previously.
Sounds like a wise decision to move it one, could be minor fault or one that you need to keep chasing, better not to gamble as they are hardly the most desirable vehicles even when working well.
Spot on...... If I were James, I'd be having a celebratory cup of tea immediately after it left his premises........ I speak as a former Peugeot owner. If you like your motoring to have an element of chance, wondering what's going to go wrong next, and when, then a nice Froggie-mobile could be just the job.....
Hi Guys I thought I would update this thread with the solution to my power steering problem, the car went into a citroen specialist and the fault was diagnosed as a blown 80A maxi fuse and a dirty connection on the Power Steering pump, sorted with electrical contact cleaner.
Funnily enough a customer called at the pitch this morning with a c4 auto, he'd lost reverse gear, I suggested try a new battery as he'd been jump starting it, people think cars like this are old cortinas.
I had one of these years ago. The automated manual box is not great, I drove it in manual mode most of the time. Steep hills really confused it in auto mode, it would change up rather than down gears half way up the hill, then the engine would labour and then it would go back down a gear with a big pause inbetween. They're all ponderous. the one I had was ex-mobility with only 20k on it.
CRANK POSITION SENSOR My C5 with this Engine has had this fault. Crank sensor reads faulty engine cuts out then power steering light comes on doesn't always give a fault code either
These are canbus wired and faults that come up on the dash could be literally anything even if not connected to what has actually failed. The egr valve failing can throw up faults that are nothing to do with the engine for example. I have the 2.0hdi grand version. NSF abs sensor failed and it came up with many faults on dash including handbrake, gearbox plus it would also make the engine switch off. Crankshaft sensor did the same when it failed with the engine switching off at random. They are great when running well but can be very problematic. Erratic electrical faults are also caused by the wiring loom being corroded behind the battery too.
there good for the money, it has a ac fridge in the middle, the silver knob in the middle comes off and you can put a air refresher in it by Citroen, the gear boxes are abit slow at changing but there reliable , dpf are common faults on these motor way 1s a week sorts this
On the MK1 & early MK2’s the gearbox is an automated manual (like the Smart) rather than a ‘traditional’ torque converter auto, so gear changes are a bit ponderous. They don’t have the greatest reputation for reliability, but if they all get abused the way our one does, I’m not surprised!
you never mentioned the warped glove box lids ? £336.00 each from citroen i got a pair from ebay in lovely condition for £85.00 !! cleaned and then trated them with meguires uv protectant and will leave a heat reflecting cover over the dash board in hot weather as this is a common problem with the glove box lids mine is a 2009 1.6 THP petrol turbo with just 34,000 miles on full dealership service history i owner from new brought for £950 going for mot on the 18/10/23 only light on is the abs sensor fault put a reader on and its showing drivers side abs sensor is faulty so hopefully get that reolaced and should hopefully have a nice car ?
These are a pile of scrap had 2 1,6 hdi both 2011 both had replacement turbo both had numerous electrical faults after electrical faults the auto box is known to break all the time. I would check the fuse box under bonnet mine had a swimming pool in it causing the engine to try and start itself without a key or me in car. I would never touch one ever good luck with the sale
These are not a pure automatic but use a standard manual box and clutch with solenoids that change gears which is why they are a bit jerky called an EGS electronic gear selection would happily pay 2k for this when its been gone through
scrap man did ok on this, I had a 99t 318i cabrio and a 2000 slk200 both no mot, and sat a while ,no value in doing them up bought the pair £300 weighed them both in scrap £375 for the Bmw, £380 for the Merc , made a days pay and no grief with buyers ,adverts etc, etc
I suspect that the battery is on its last legs, that "economy mode" warning is battery related, run the car and turn it off, wait 10 seconds and unless you can still operate the electric windows the battery is caput, 👍
Ran one of these for about 5 years, 2013-18. The sun lifts those top cobbies on all of them, looks dreadful Looks like an exclusive with air rear suspension - that needs to go asap otherwise it’ll collapse on you. Nice car to drive at about 47 to the gallon, VED is a bit steep.
I have a C4 Picasso auto 2010. £1250 for a clutch kit at Citroen, no-one else would do it for the paddle gearshift model. Gear change was improved but still ponderous.
This is the kind of car I see selling on Facebook marketplace where people want a cheapy under £1k to run into the ground or while theirs is off the road etc. I do think it’s too good to scrap but like you say needs brutally honest advertising.
£2999 car up in Lancashire that. Even if you have to put £500 into it you ll easy make £1500.. unless prices down south have dropped ..but no signs up.north yet.
The gearbox is not a proper automatic. It is a manual box with a clutch and an automated gear change. Slow and ponderous gear changes are a characteristic and this one seems to work fine 👍
Biggest problem is it's a Citroen 😂 Yeah it's worth a punt but it'll cost you more than the £200 low mileage Rover at the auction a couple of weeks ago 🤷
Got a 2012 C4GP engine fault repair needed, got the diagbox and cables,literally the stop start system is knackered and that's it, lot of times with citroens engine fault sounds major and you dig into it and its usually just electrics playing silly buggers
The gearbox is not a true auto. It’s a piloted manual using hydraulic actuators. Watch out for dual mass flywheel issues. Electrical issues and engine and dpf issues.
Well the 1.6 auto is not a true auto box it does give problems one that is serious is if you get a jerk when you put it in drive,apart from that they are decent cars shame it is not the 2litre different box.
I have a C4(2014) and have the same knock on suspension, had top mount strut/ bearing done, did the drop link myself, and I still have the noise, all seems ok on the ramp, so going in for suspension shocker and hope that cures it. Very frustrating as I've had 3 places inspect it and nothing of note found really so far. Grrr. Cars....
I did exactly the same, stripped things down twice, strut top bearing, drop links, customer was getting cross, couldn't find the rattle at all, yes it was the shocker.
@@roystonvehicles9129 As suspected it WAS the shocker, had new shocker and top mount bearing kit and it's completely cured any clunking or creaking on the steering. Nice and quiet now. Cheers for the advice.
I had a Peugoet that cut out on the M6 just before losing the hard shoulder. I was very lucky. I looked at Renault Scenics and C4 Picassos and they seem to cut out an awful lot. Needless to say with 2 young kids I "lost faith" and ditched the car especially as the highly rated Peugeot "specialists" found no fault, did several hours of diagnostics costing hundreds of pounds and it happened again. Never happened with the Toyota petrols I've owned.
The dash pocket on passenger side looks bent and I think I heard the clutch fly wheel rattle on first start up. Still good bargain at what you paid for it
Any chance those reverse lights are causing a drain in the battery? Noticed in your walk round they’re on……… scrap that idea just seen the clip of being in reverse……… although you mentioning economy mode beeping means low battery……… as for gear change my dads got a 2012 berlingo auto and is the same changing from first to second and his only has 47k
@@ardongrainford8004 I'm amazed it's still going. Early DV6 unit which is trouble in itself, coupled to a grenade in the form of a gearbox. She's right to get rid.
Can't understand why people prefer SUV's to MPV's these days. I would get Moores to give it a once over (might be a cheap fix) and your mobile valeter to give it a clean before you move it on through the trade. If retailing I'd take the towbar off.
"Economy Mode Active" that quick is often a sign of a sagging battery :) That's a Citroen power-saver mode that shuts down unneeded electrics when the battery voltage drops (and the engine isn't running) to hopefully have enough left to restart. At that age, it's probably pending a new battery - cold mornings will be the giveaway.
No it's not necessarily a sign of needing a new battery, it just means you've left the ignition on for too long and the BSI has detected a current drain that could flatten the battery so it shuts the offending item down
Dash looks a bit strange on the Citroen James? - otherwise looks like a quick trade flip to me, clean it up and pass it on you should make a good drink / meal out of it.
Got a C4 2014with a similar knock and after drop link and top bearing its still there, having shocker done next week and hopefully you're correct as there is no evidence of anything else wrong. 👍
@@andynightingale7335 Get someone to rock the car side to side as aggressively as possible while you feel both top mount nuts. You will always feel knocking shocks there on them. It's always the Peugeot/Citroens that do it, although I vaguely remember coming across it on some of the earlier Vauxhalls back in the day as well
@@andynightingale7335 yes, if you absolutely can't find any play in anything else it will be the shock, you can't tell as it's under tension with the spring.
@@roystonvehicles9129 as suspected it WAS the shocker, also made sure with a totally new bearing kit as well and it's completely cured any clunk or creaking on the steering. Quiet as a mouse now. Thanks for the advice m8 👍
Turbo sounded a bit noisey and the alloy damage is probably on softer inner edge of wheel . Seems like it's had a hard life of use and abuse and discarded like an old domestic appliance by owner moving on to something newer .
Why do most Brits hate French cars😂. I owe a 2011 C4 Picasso 1,6THP Automatic Tendance. Drives absolutely great. Has 198.000 miles on it .yes she lives to drink alot, but sure worth the 4000 euros i paid for her
The UK is hilarious to me. The cars you get the previous owner sells because of a light on the dash, or some scuffs on the door and they're like "oh bollocks its knackered, sell it for 5 quid" lol meanwhile here in the US people buy cars with well over 200k miles on them COMPLETELY trashed, I mean crushed on one or both ends, bits falling off, NO paint left, every service light on and they drive these things until they literally will not drive another inch. The MOT where I live is "oh it still kinda starts...pass". Such a stark difference in safety standards
I absolutely love your videos. I find the whole process of flipping car’s fascinating. Thanks for putting the time and effort in to creating them 👍🏻
Much appreciated!
What always amazes me with these kinds of videos is how they always go for a drive with basically no fuel in it, with a flashing light, warnings and all. My anxiety wouldn't allow me to do that.
Once upon a time, Magazines used to tell you how important it was to clean your car before sale.
30 years on "Needs a good clean" is part of the selling patois on eBay.
Love my old 08 1.6 diesel auto grand picasso, never misses a beat, never let me down.
Your showroom is filling up again with some very nice but down to earth and honest motors.
The top of the dashboard is lifting nicely 👀
Looks like Dumbo's ears .
Just needs a new glove box lid
Citroen's attempt at active aero!
I've had a grand version of that car for a few years and it's been ultra reliable. It's always had a slight knock in the suspension but has never become bad enough to investigate. Transmission is automated manual gearbox, based on the six speed synchro found in a lot of manual PSA cars. Going from first gear to second just requires you to briefly back of the accelerator or as you did, use the paddle shifter. I was intrigued to see the left hand glovebox lid turned inside out. We have plenty of sun here in Australia but mine hasn't curled up yet!
Fantastic engines those ones. I’ve seen 3-400,000 miles in the taxis with regular maintenance 👍🏻
my dad's got a grand picasso version of these with the same 1.6 hdi and the egs auto. does change gear quite slowly but thats just how they are. we had a similar suspension knock and it was something in front suspension but wasnt an expensive fix i dont think. yours seems to be a top spec exclusive as well so a few little extras like the auto climate controls and scented air freshener!
Got a 2012 C4GP,tell ya dad might be worth using the paddle shifters to change up from 1st into 2nd, find its much smoother and then sticking it into auto as auto changes at low speeds on mine are a dogs dinner compared to manual paddle shift changes
Just so you are aware, thats the 2.0 hdi and not the 1.6 hdi. If you put the gearbox into manual mode and rev it out to 4000rpm and change gear with the paddles it changes gear quite fast. I have a C4 GP 1.6 and and two C4 picasso 5 seaters, one with 1.6 hdi and the other with the 2.0 hdi.
I watch a number of the you tube car sites and always amazed at the state some people keep their cars in. It's not expensive to spend £2 on the vacuums at car wash sites and then the cheapest drive through ones are £2.50 . It's not a valet but at least it shows a bit of care
I know, you think I wonder what your home is like?? Ok, times are a little hard, but run the hoover around it 1st! I went to buy a car years ago and there was a dried out dog poo in the boot!!!! I told him and he laughed. Had the cheek to say " You want it or not?" I just laughed and walked away from him.
Hi we had one of these cars and we found a break in the wire loom at the back of the battery box and it's a common fault and can cause all kinds of faults from memory it's the purple wire which comes from the box on top off the battery
I took the newer face lifted version out for a test drive, the seats were fantastic so comfy, only issue was the gear change, massive clonk when changing, search online and they said there were solenoid valves which played up and it was expensive, I really wanted it, best drive I had in ages
I have a '09 C4 Grand Picasso 1.6 diesel, two owners with FSH but 162000 miles. WBAC have just offered me £375, before I go in and they change the offer to £100. I'll be keeping it for a long time yet, even though it's bigger than I need.
You could test the battery/altanator on the road test by turning all the electrical stuff on, like everything lights rear window heater fan on full with the wipers going radio on full blast etc
The steering will normally go stiffer if it's electrical assisted as the voltage drops
You'll be fighting the single mothers off for that cheap Citroen 7 seater 😂
If it were a 7 seater :-) That one is a 5 seater, the 7 seat version is the Grande Picasso and is nowhere near as tidy looking ;-)
Mine is EGS gearbox, yes, the infamous EGS. This one i Exclusive, so it has air suspension in the back. Mine is Business package, I have it for about 4 years. Yes, they are prone to electronic problems. But nothing that other manufacturer's have.
The gearboxes on them Picassos are nothing but trouble. Get it sorted and trade it immediately. Electronically controlled I believe, loads on eBay as spares.
I once made the mistake of buying a Peugeot back in the early 90's. Never again. I'd much rather undergo a rectal examination using a cactus, than buy another French car.
@@Brian-om2hh I've a 1993 Peugeot 306 and our family have had maybe Renaults, they've been up there with the most satisfying and reliable cars we've owned.... admittedly they weren't MK2 Meganes or anything as they're crap.
Wonder if front springs are broken as it looks low, that would put strain on the steering so maybe explain the pas light, also would explain the rattles.
Agreed , happened on my C4 GP of the same vintage. Amazingly my local Citroen dealer replaced the broken one for £75, I was expecting a lot more.
I really rate Citroen Picasso's, they don't deserve the hate they get.
Although the automatic ones of that shape (semi automatic actually, they're just a robotic manual) are absolutely terrible on all accounts. Horrible and uncooperative to drive.
I've got an old Xsara Picasso myself as my big useful runner and it's comfortable, reliable, cheap to fix and maintain. It's a 1.6 petrol so a bit gutless and thirsty but other than that I'd say infinitely better than a Zafira or whatever.
And manufacturers just don't make those sort of MPVs any more
I have the diesel auto 1.6 grand C4, 2008, great car, been in the family for about 7 years, never had any major issues, all wear and tear stuff. And 45 to 50 mpg.... All day long... (Urban)
You were driving a single clutch robot, it's normal they change a little rougher than turbine boxes.
Thouse cars are really good as long you avoid the 1.6 thp the bmw/psa. I have seen almost 600.000 km woth the 2.0 hdi, also the 1.6 hdi works well if you look after certain issues.
The clutch/flywheel needs replacement after 200.000 km onwards. Electrics work well as long as you keep the fuseboxes dry. Sometimes behind the battery you might find some electric wires corroded.
I think that’s probably the best action moving this on. It’s a “Shitroen” and can be problematic. I know Matt of High Peak hates these things and there’s probably good reason.
I worked at shitroen and would never actually buy one. I only drive Honda's I couldn't agree more, 👍👍👍👍
the Picasso is not an auto box, its manual with a clutch with the gears and clutch controlled [ slowly ] by a little "robot" the control is self learning and needs reset occasionally to get clean changes back, these are just as economical as the the purely manual version, well worth £500 👍 it would be handy if there is a fault code stored
I wouldn't worry too much about a notchy gear change. My mother-in-law had one from new and it was exactly the same, like a punch in the back every time it changed up. Very quirky and practical, granted, but also not one I'd be keen on being on the hook for any big repairs for the next 6 months.
I have had this vehicle since 2007 still driving it today 7 seater use it for the Grandkids I have replaced normal stuff brakes tiers radiator l have put a new radiator and put on two new sills replaced cam belt and water pump it’s manual with real comfortable interior and as 140 thousand plus diesel 1600 cc l like it cheaper than buying a new car serviced every year. Good cars
I had a 2011 2.0 HDI manual one of these in Diablo red with piano black roof. extremely rare. Also had cream Alcantara interior with heated powered seats. it was a real stunner with a full history, quick and super comfy but it was constantly breaking. Part exchanged it for a Mitsubishi after 18 months. have a friend who bought the 1.6 auto. has spent a fortune on it. YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
I've a C3 Picasso that has had its electric power steering motor fail. Apparently they did a recall - I'd already changed mine before I discovered that - so maybe an intermittent fault, or a sign it is on its way out?.
James audibly salivating at the thought of cleaning a filthy old car..😂
James if I were you I’d trade the Citroen C4 Picasso out unless there’s paperwork in its history for gearbox replacement. The EGC auto gearbox is a nightmare on these for failing and it’s a £2k-£2.5k job to replace the electronics in the gearbox. It’s an automated manual rather than a proper torque converter auto box. Values are fairly low on these as well so not worth taking the chance on unless it’s already had the work done previously.
Sounds like a wise decision to move it one, could be minor fault or one that you need to keep chasing, better not to gamble as they are hardly the most desirable vehicles even when working well.
Spot on...... If I were James, I'd be having a celebratory cup of tea immediately after it left his premises........ I speak as a former Peugeot owner. If you like your motoring to have an element of chance, wondering what's going to go wrong next, and when, then a nice Froggie-mobile could be just the job.....
Hi Guys
I thought I would update this thread with the solution to my power steering problem, the car went into a citroen specialist and the fault was diagnosed as a blown 80A maxi fuse and a dirty connection on the Power Steering pump, sorted with electrical contact cleaner.
Great feedback thanks
Funnily enough a customer called at the pitch this morning with a c4 auto, he'd lost reverse gear, I suggested try a new battery as he'd been jump starting it, people think cars like this are old cortinas.
I had one of these years ago. The automated manual box is not great, I drove it in manual mode most of the time. Steep hills really confused it in auto mode, it would change up rather than down gears half way up the hill, then the engine would labour and then it would go back down a gear with a big pause inbetween. They're all ponderous. the one I had was ex-mobility with only 20k on it.
CRANK POSITION SENSOR My C5 with this Engine has had this fault. Crank sensor reads faulty engine cuts out then power steering light comes on doesn't always give a fault code either
These are canbus wired and faults that come up on the dash could be literally anything even if not connected to what has actually failed. The egr valve failing can throw up faults that are nothing to do with the engine for example. I have the 2.0hdi grand version. NSF abs sensor failed and it came up with many faults on dash including handbrake, gearbox plus it would also make the engine switch off. Crankshaft sensor did the same when it failed with the engine switching off at random. They are great when running well but can be very problematic. Erratic electrical faults are also caused by the wiring loom being corroded behind the battery too.
Love how the auto change at a flick at the top of the column tis a tribute to the original Citroen DS
there good for the money, it has a ac fridge in the middle, the silver knob in the middle comes off and you can put a air refresher in it by Citroen, the gear boxes are abit slow at changing but there reliable , dpf are common faults on these motor way 1s a week sorts this
Great content! I'm not really a petrol head at all, but your videos are a fab watch! I always give a thumbs up!!
Much appreciated buddy!
On the MK1 & early MK2’s the gearbox is an automated manual (like the Smart) rather than a ‘traditional’ torque converter auto, so gear changes are a bit ponderous. They don’t have the greatest reputation for reliability, but if they all get abused the way our one does, I’m not surprised!
you never mentioned the warped glove box lids ? £336.00 each from citroen i got a pair from ebay in lovely condition for £85.00 !! cleaned and then trated them with meguires uv protectant and will leave a heat reflecting cover over the dash board in hot weather as this is a common problem with the glove box lids mine is a 2009 1.6 THP petrol turbo with just 34,000 miles on full dealership service history i owner from new brought for £950 going for mot on the 18/10/23 only light on is the abs sensor fault put a reader on and its showing drivers side abs sensor is faulty so hopefully get that reolaced and should hopefully have a nice car ?
I have a manual one of these and it's a brilliant car.i avoided the auto as I heard the gear change was bad
These are a pile of scrap had 2 1,6 hdi both 2011 both had replacement turbo both had numerous electrical faults after electrical faults the auto box is known to break all the time. I would check the fuse box under bonnet mine had a swimming pool in it causing the engine to try and start itself without a key or me in car. I would never touch one ever good luck with the sale
People do expect gold for silver with 2nd hand motors. You know the score. 👍
It's Ronnie Pickering motor..! Who.? . Ronnie Pickering..! Who..?? Lol 😁😁😜😜😂😂
These are not a pure automatic but use a standard manual box and clutch with solenoids that change gears which is why they are a bit jerky called an EGS electronic gear selection would happily pay 2k for this when its been gone through
scrap man did ok on this, I had a 99t 318i cabrio and a 2000 slk200 both no mot, and sat a while ,no value in doing them up bought the pair £300 weighed them both in scrap £375 for the Bmw, £380 for the Merc , made a days pay and no grief with buyers ,adverts etc, etc
Wrll I sold this on and did the same tbf
I remember High Peak Autos bought a broken one identical to this. What's going on with the glovebox lids? I've never seen such dash warp-age.
I suspect that the battery is on its last legs, that "economy mode" warning is battery related, run the car and turn it off, wait 10 seconds and unless you can still operate the electric windows the battery is caput, 👍
If you retail the c4 expect it back with warranty issues. Tbh I’d trade it on and be thankful you aren’t dealing with all the Citroen problems.
Yep traded
Ran one of these for about 5 years, 2013-18.
The sun lifts those top cobbies on all of them, looks dreadful
Looks like an exclusive with air rear suspension - that needs to go asap otherwise it’ll collapse on you.
Nice car to drive at about 47 to the gallon, VED is a bit steep.
I have a C4 Picasso auto 2010. £1250 for a clutch kit at Citroen, no-one else would do it for the paddle gearshift model. Gear change was improved but still ponderous.
Ouch
Had one of those, they suffer terribly with water in the engine compartment fusebox!!!
This is the kind of car I see selling on Facebook marketplace where people want a cheapy under £1k to run into the ground or while theirs is off the road etc. I do think it’s too good to scrap but like you say needs brutally honest advertising.
£2999 car up in Lancashire that. Even if you have to put £500 into it you ll easy make £1500.. unless prices down south have dropped ..but no signs up.north yet.
all the gearbox from this year are bad from PSA . if it rebuild recently good for you it may last around 35-75k
The gearbox is not a proper automatic. It is a manual box with a clutch and an automated gear change. Slow and ponderous gear changes are a characteristic and this one seems to work fine 👍
Turbo sounds really noisy on the test drive. Make sure the oil feed pipe on the turbo is clear.
Mmm not sure what you are hearing, sound ok in car
@@ChopsGarage Have a listen to your video when driving the car, sounds like sirens
I thought I heard it whistling.
Biggest problem is it's a Citroen 😂 Yeah it's worth a punt but it'll cost you more than the £200 low mileage Rover at the auction a couple of weeks ago 🤷
Got the identical car for a run-around and carrying jobs , gearbox works better with an oil change with Motul gear 75w-80
I was hoping you would sort it and retail it as a normal sale. That car is no where near the grave. Nice cheap motor for a family on a lower budget.
As my local mechanic used to say:
C itroen
R enault
A nd
P eugeot.
Nice cheap motor that matey and MOT on it for a fair while
Send it to the @homebuilt boys they will love that project
My uncle had one of those, had to replace the automatic gear twice & then a 3rd time but he got rid of it then.
Oooo EGS chocolate box 😬 sell it quick while it still moves 😂
Lol brutal but true.
Got a 2012 C4GP engine fault repair needed, got the diagbox and cables,literally the stop start system is knackered and that's it, lot of times with citroens engine fault sounds major and you dig into it and its usually just electrics playing silly buggers
I've driven few of these for work, the auto box is so slow changing
The gearbox is not a true auto. It’s a piloted manual using hydraulic actuators. Watch out for dual mass flywheel issues. Electrical issues and engine and dpf issues.
Well the 1.6 auto is not a true auto box it does give problems one that is serious is if you get a jerk when you put it in drive,apart from that they are decent cars shame it is not the 2litre different box.
I have a C4(2014) and have the same knock on suspension, had top mount strut/ bearing done, did the drop link myself, and I still have the noise, all seems ok on the ramp, so going in for suspension shocker and hope that cures it. Very frustrating as I've had 3 places inspect it and nothing of note found really so far. Grrr. Cars....
I did exactly the same, stripped things down twice, strut top bearing, drop links, customer was getting cross, couldn't find the rattle at all, yes it was the shocker.
@@roystonvehicles9129 thanks for the reply m8. Much appreciated.
@@andynightingale7335 OK bud.
@@roystonvehicles9129 As suspected it WAS the shocker, had new shocker and top mount bearing kit and it's completely cured any clunking or creaking on the steering. Nice and quiet now.
Cheers for the advice.
Spent loads on it yet its like a skip
Rough cars come from rough owners.
top leg mounts probably
I had a Peugoet that cut out on the M6 just before losing the hard shoulder. I was very lucky. I looked at Renault Scenics and C4 Picassos and they seem to cut out an awful lot.
Needless to say with 2 young kids I "lost faith" and ditched the car especially as the highly rated Peugeot "specialists" found no fault, did several hours of diagnostics costing hundreds of pounds and it happened again.
Never happened with the Toyota petrols I've owned.
French car motorway lottery, which manufacture will it be you see first on the hard shoulder. Always play it.
@@stepheng8779 pretty much anything German on the hard shoulder, don't usually see anything French broken down there.
Turbo whisle noticable at 11:10
Can't say I noticed Ill listen again
The dash pocket on passenger side looks bent and I think I heard the clutch fly wheel rattle on first start up. Still good bargain at what you paid for it
How much for the black Suzuki swift? 👌👍
Thats my fav, going nowhere lol
@@ChopsGarage hahaha 👌👍 everything has a price lol
@@deanlake7962 I guess lol
If l lived nearer l would buy it Springs are renowned for braking
Any chance those reverse lights are causing a drain in the battery? Noticed in your walk round they’re on……… scrap that idea just seen the clip of being in reverse……… although you mentioning economy mode beeping means low battery……… as for gear change my dads got a 2012 berlingo auto and is the same changing from first to second and his only has 47k
Another great video it's good you show all aspects of car trading and give a good variation of different cars
Cheers
Looking forward to the video of this car receiving the usual thorough valet which will transform its appearance.
Weird when people ' Lose faith in a car' like it has a personality and doesn't like them.
oh, they do, they do
I wonder if she has lost faith with her house ?
Lost faith as in cannot rely on it when it keeps going wrong... I've missed your point entirely, clearly.
Typical - lost faith, too lazy to investigate and fix problem.
@@ardongrainford8004 I'm amazed it's still going. Early DV6 unit which is trouble in itself, coupled to a grenade in the form of a gearbox. She's right to get rid.
C4 I head on the same mine was bcm
Those gear boxes are slow and not smooth it is normal, it is not a torque converter box its just automatic clutch
I had one of these, fantastic when going well, then the gearbox started making a whining noise and was quoted over £2000 to fix it
Have you sold the Citroen?
Can't understand why people prefer SUV's to MPV's these days. I would get Moores to give it a once over (might be a cheap fix) and your mobile valeter to give it a clean before you move it on through the trade. If retailing I'd take the towbar off.
"Economy Mode Active" that quick is often a sign of a sagging battery :)
That's a Citroen power-saver mode that shuts down unneeded electrics when the battery voltage drops (and the engine isn't running) to hopefully have enough left to restart.
At that age, it's probably pending a new battery - cold mornings will be the giveaway.
No it's not necessarily a sign of needing a new battery, it just means you've left the ignition on for too long and the BSI has detected a current drain that could flatten the battery so it shuts the offending item down
Great cars especially the turbo diesel
Dash looks a bit strange on the Citroen James? - otherwise looks like a quick trade flip to me, clean it up and pass it on you should make a good drink / meal out of it.
I had a brand new 08 grand picasso auto and the gearbox is horribly slow.
Use the paddles 👍
James, compare the interior of this with photos online - the two storage compartment lids on top of the dash are badly distorted!
? I said in vid bud
@@ChopsGarage my bad, must have missed that... 😳
Give first refusal to Homebuilt lads, this is right up their street.
Bet the knocking is the shock it's self, that's why they couldn't find it on the test.
Got a C4 2014with a similar knock and after drop link and top bearing its still there, having shocker done next week and hopefully you're correct as there is no evidence of anything else wrong. 👍
@@andynightingale7335 Get someone to rock the car side to side as aggressively as possible while you feel both top mount nuts. You will always feel knocking shocks there on them.
It's always the Peugeot/Citroens that do it, although I vaguely remember coming across it on some of the earlier Vauxhalls back in the day as well
@@sammytheseal2307 we live in a street with speed bumps so hear it almost every day, so am sure it's that .
Cheers m8
@@andynightingale7335 yes, if you absolutely can't find any play in anything else it will be the shock, you can't tell as it's under tension with the spring.
@@roystonvehicles9129 as suspected it WAS the shocker, also made sure with a totally new bearing kit as well and it's completely cured any clunk or creaking on the steering. Quiet as a mouse now. Thanks for the advice m8 👍
How about the Home Built guys for this one?
exactly my thoughts
Turbo sounded a bit noisey and the alloy damage is probably on softer inner edge of wheel .
Seems like it's had a hard life of use and abuse and discarded like an old domestic appliance by owner moving on to something newer .
The title should've been 'I was robbed'.
Is that an Alfa Romeo 155 in the background?
What the hell has happened to the 2 glovebox covers....... ?? Wings ?? 🤣🤣
Any stored codes?