Big 12 Believes FSU and Clemson Will Join As Soon As A Year From Now? | Clemson Court W Over ACC
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- The reports linking FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 might have legs, afterall. Arizona insider Jason Scheer reported on his X account that, “According to sources, there is an internal belief in the Big 12 that Florida State and Clemson are likely to join the conference within the next year or so.” If the Big 12 can use private equity infusions and creative advertising revenue to pay them significantly more than the ACC, perhaps this could become a viable option.
Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs wonder if they were too dismissive last week over the Big 12 buzz. Can they afford to make big moves like this in order to truly compete with the Big Ten and SEC? Donno and Gibbs discuss a recent court victory by Clemson over the ACC and what it means for their dueling lawsuits with the conference. You will not believe how many travel miles the Cal football team will be racking up this season in their inaugural year in the ACC…
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I can't help it that we have a Commissioner Rocks.
Country Roads!!!
I wouldn't mind VT going to the 12. We loved playing WV every year back in the day. It was a real rivalry.
Kenton is just being petty and resentful at this point. He swore up and down that the GOR was ironclad and FSU wouldn't even be taken seriously by courts. Now he accepts FSU and Clemson are out but now he hates the idea the Big 12 pulling off what the ACC cannot. Not to mention he firmly doesn't believe that ESPN will pull out of the TV deal. He should just hold or hedge his takes and let the process play out.
Big 12 fans are the biggest haters since they lost Texas and Oklahoma!😢
@@jmath1978 I'm not a Big 12 fan so you'll have to take that up with them.
Smarter people must think it makes sense. This dude doesn’t know what’s going on. Reminds me of the clowns that were saying this about the Pac12
They can’t be that smart. FSU is going to pay the ACC $250m to leave the ACC to move sideways?
Money are not, If I'm From Florida are South Carolina why would I want to travel to Big 10 territory, it's freaking cold ❄️🥶. The Big 12 is much closer..... 🌲 🌴 ,
ESPN has a look-in clause for January of 2025 where they can pass on the deal through 2031. Cheaper to take the best teams from ACC and place in B12 for much less than paying for a whole conference that most people don't care about.
There are a lot of "estimates" that may or may not be accurate. There are lots of details you don't have, and I'm sure the admin at FSU and Clemson are not the fools you want to make them seem. They have info you don't. The B12 may or may not be able to renegotiate the tv contract with more expansion, especially in the class of FSU and Clemson. The ACC has already proven they're "hostile" partners to both of those schools, that relationship is permanently broken.
These guys completely miss the point.
ACC has 7!!!! Low enrollment private schools.
Big XII has 3 (BYU national brand w 30k+ enrollment, TCU played for a football National Championship, and Baylor won a Basketball NC a couple years ago)
My Noles need to be in a conference that has BIG HIGH enrollment STATE schools to being in the viewers.
I'm DEFINITELY cool w the Big XII.
With Miami taking over the expanded playoffs.
Finally a reasonable FSU fan!
The big 12 new tv deal doesnt start till 2025 , so its still renegotiable
I would think both sides have a renegotiating clause. Why wouldn’t they? It protects both parties interests.
@@scarcheer7211 They also didn't make the new deal long term either.
You under estimating Big 12.
Let's Go Mountaineers!!
You are underestimating the power of logic. Nobody is paying big money to leave the ACC to go to the Big 12.
@@505premoto😂😂😂 you are clueless
@@gagebyers1057 Say what? You think that FSU is going to the Big 12? Talk about clueless.
SEC only would want FSU and Clemson as a block to stop Big10 from encroaching on their region. If Big10 isn’t interested in those 2, then the SEC isn’t. Those 2 don’t add enough value to go against the SEC policy of not adding schools from states that already have an SEC school. Only Texas was a big enough value to make the exception to that policy. FSU and Clemson aren’t even close to the brand and value that Texas is. I hate Texas, but that is a true statement.
FSU got plenty of brand and there plenty valuable and have been more successful than Texas on the football field in the last 30 years
Nothing but BIG12 people in these comments lol
You guys assume that the only funding a conference gets is the media deal. With the Big 12, we have multiple streams of revenue. This is not an apples-to-apples situation.
You believe that the Big12 is the only conference with “multiple streams of revenue”? That’s fascinating
I suggest you look at the see in clause.
These guys are CLUELESS ….!!!!!!
Yes they are. The entire Locked On Network is.
Take your hating ass somewhere else then
Nobody wants to go to the Big 12 however!😢
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They are wishful thinking
It wouldn't BE realignment if it wasn't insane 😛 Rutgers-USC? The Alliance? 2 schools literally on the Pacific coast that play in the ACC?
Maybe the Big12 has some rich donors (SMU type) to make this happen? By the Big12 has a look in clause for their media deal. As well as a look in clause for the CFP.
Kstate just spent like 10 million dollars on their basketball roster… there is money and a lot of it
I dont see the Hokies getting near the ACC title game this year. Looking at their schedule, I see 7 games I would give them the nod in, and the rest I think are an L or lean the other way. They may be improved this year, but I feel this is a case of the media being premature like with UNC a few years ago.
I think TNT may become a 3rd media partner with the Big12 to replace the NBA. They are looking to get into college football. So maybe that's where the money may come from.
The negotiations and contracts are the difference between 1st and 3rd party talks. Clemson and FSU have only engaged in 3rd party talks with other conferences due to legal reasons. Its possible the Big12 thinks FSU and Clemson will be left holding the bag after the legal battle with the ACC is resolved and will be forced to join their conference to survive, but I think that scenario is not very likely. The Big12 would need unequal revenue sharing to land FSU and Clemson legitimately, and I dont see that happening considering their history.
If the Big and SEC doors are slammed in the face of FSU and Clemson then it may not take as much as is being tossed around. I think for Clemson it is SEC, Big, stay in the ACC and for FSU it is now anywhere but the ACC.
This is a joke no way to go through this chaos to go into an inferior situation unless extreme equity that would be equal to or greater than big ten allocation!
Even as a Big12 fan, no part of me can believe this it seems crazy on both sides, (Big12 would love and grab any chance to get them which they should) but no chance I believe this happens
It's not about likelihood but the fact that FSU and Clemson doesn't control their own fate. People keep acting like the B1G and SEC have welcome mats rolled out. Why? We keep forgetting these university presidents are managing large multi-billion organizations that do more than play football. The chance of it happening is literally they have no where else to go.
@@heartbreak25 If it were about more than football, YTF did the B1G not accept Stanford & Cal? Stanford is great at a bunch of sports that aren't football.
@@encycl07pedia- If it was just about football, why didn't the B1G go after FSU 10 years ago after FSU won the natty instead of UNC, UVA, Rutgers, and Maryland? Why not just target Clemson since they've been better at football than FSU the last 10 years?
You do realize PSU has a $9 billion operating budget and TOTAL athletic revenue is only $200 million? If you're a university president, why are you going to allow 2% of your revenue to dictate the other 98% of your budget when making a 50 year decision?
Two things can be true at the same time which is what FSU fans don't understand. You can be of value for what you do bring to the table, but you can also not be the priority for what you don't bring to the table. Right now, FSU and Clemson are valued but not the #1 and #2 targets. Get a travel partner like Oregon did with Washington and the rest is settled.
@@heartbreak25 Probably the same reason the B1G didn't go after Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia, USC, UCLA, etc.: they were happy enough where they were and the geography, at the time, didn't make sense. Stanford and Cal were looking for a life raft. There weren't happy being in the Pac-4. After adding 4 West Coast teams, what's 2 more?
If your operating budget is 9B USD, why would you care about a media payout that is only a small fraction of that?
I never said FSU and Clemson were the #1 and #2 targets, either. I don't think that's the case.
@@encycl07pedia- OU, Nebraska, TAMU, Kansas, and Iowa State tried to join the B1G as a package in 2010. The B1G was interested but didn't have the financial capacity they do today to make the deal work. They ended up settling for Nebraska, TAMU went to the SEC, every other team stayed. The B1G would've taken UT and OU this time, but they were immediately accepted by the SEC and never called.
The B1G didn't target those teams for three reasons: 1) The SEC and PAC-12 teams were under a media contract. If you haven't been paying attention, realignment happens when a conference is out of contract. 2) They long wanted to go east and Texas and California are not east. 3) You're making my point. Bama, UGA, and LSU aren't AAU. Why target schools that won't fit?
In terms of Stanford and Cal, once again, it's pretty simple if you're following along. The B1G TV deal doesn't have a pro rata clause like the SEC and Big 12. Every new team means the TV networks have to put up new money. That's why only one team is listed in the agreement to trigger new money. Fox told the B1G that the Bay Area TV market wasn't lucrative so they weren't going to pay for Stanford and Cal. Period. Is Stanford the most likely travel partner with ND? Yes.
Thank you, you finally get it! They don't prioritize the media payouts above all, hence, they're not making media only decisions. FSU is great for a media payout. It's good but not great for the other 98%. Northwestern is great for the other 98% but poor for the 2%. Now does it make sense? Which is why Northwestern is more valuable to the B1G than FSU. Get it?
If you're not saying it's a zero sum game then that's the debate? FSU and Clemson aren't #1 and #2. They could get into the B1G or SEC, but they don't control their own destiny in doing so. And they'll like need help either way.
If FSU, Clemson & Miami join the Big12. Yes that is a Big3 conference.
Acc is not considered Big3 because of SMU, CAL, WF, BC , Syracuse & Stanford.
Youre acting like those schools are worse than the bottom tier big12 schools, which isnt really true. The difference in them isnt performance, its care. Most of the ACC schools you listed dont care as much and still compete with lower big12 schools.
Take SMU out. They do believe in having a good football program.
😂😂😂 there is a P2 and a G7 by 2030. B1G/SEC have control of the playoffs and by 2030 the only teams invited will be from that P2z
.....and Baylor, BYU, UCF, Cincinatti, Houston, Kansas and so on makes Big12 a Big3?
@@olivercroomes8223 I absolutely agree with you there SMU show. They were serious about football when they hired Lashley as their head coach people have to remember Lashley isn’t some Johnny come lately to the world of football this guy coached at one of the most
Prestigious universities in all of college football true enough Miami hasn’t done well lately, but even as a Florida State fan I’ve always acknowledged their contribution to the building blocks of what college football is today. People can say what they want to say but SMU has a pretty decent football program. I just wish Stanford and Cal wasn’t the other two alternatives to add to the ACC. Perhaps they should’ve went after Memphis and SMU Cincinnati Cincinnati actually takes football more serious than at least three teams currently in the ACC, which is Syracuse Duke wake Forest. now this is all my opinion, of course, but mine isn’t any worse than the Talking Heads.
Notre Dame is never leaving for a conference.
ACC is done once the other 2-4 teams that are supposedly coming over come through. SEC/Big10 will take the rest.
Neither Clemson or FSU are AAU certified and the BIG 10 has said any new schools have to be AAU certified.
Neither FSU nor Clemson going anywhere any time soon. Any talk to the contrary is just fantasy 🤷♂️
Exactly, ESPN, FSU, Clemson, and ACC will work out an acceptable arrangement, All these law suits by each party are jockeying to get the best deals
@@nassertowghi4251 that’s exactly my feeling too
The Big 12 also has a pro rata clause with ESPN that scales the media deal when we add a Power 5 team. So adding teams doesn't necessarily dilute the Big 12 .... it would with Fox I guess.
I believe the rumor is also ESPN can renegotiate if the ACC drops below 15 teams, if Clemson and Florida State leave there's no way ESPN values the ACC the same way.
It's also likely that the other members of the ACC may look to the Big 12 if ESPN reduces the media payout.
Interesting perspective
What people don't realize is that judges can be bias. They are everyday people and have favorites and intrest that influence thier decisions. Normally the home team get the nod. Which state will get the jurisdiction of the 3 states is the question? However this mess needs to end.
The finish line is years away. Just like Kenton said, it has been 6 months and essentially nothing has been done but argue about where and how things are going to be heard.
So said the PAC-12 cover guys.
Made no sense last week. Makes no sense this week n won't make sense not week
@@briancuddington491 it makes no sense because nothing they do will make sense at this point..
I said the same thing when the ACC raided the Big East. Full circle lmao
Guys (show hosts) the Pac 12 fans and media thought the impossible could not happen until the impossible happened. I have no idea if the Big 12 will get Florida State and Clemson. But you guys should have taken impossible out of your vocabulary a long time ago
What you are saying sounds like hope and hope is delayed disappointment!😂
Through 3rd party isn't legal
Yormark is a tv mover and shaker. He likes shaking the tree and see what falls. The ONLY way FSU/Clemson goes to Big 12 is if the B12 gets massive private equity $$ that comes close to B10 and SEC.
Private equity of a billion to the Big 12 is not going to be the panacea that everyone thinks. Split that up evenly between 16 teams is 62.5 million for 1 year. Add 2 teams with Clemson and Florida State that's 55.5 million for 1 year. Big 12 fans will say their new contract with Clemson and Florida State will be MASSIVE when re-upped in several years. Dream on.
Private equity is not the answer. What happens when a team defaults (it's going to happen)? Do they repossessed? That's the thing about private equity.
The SEC or Big 10 teams aren't going to take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson. Maybe in 2030 when their media deals are up
I believe Florida state an Clemson does go to the big 12 Oliver luck is a wvu alumni
If FSU or Clemson does this , they are stepping out of a pile of poop and landing in another…… RIDICULOUS move
Big 12 is in much better position for Florida state an Clemson they are in a better chance to get a shot at the table in the big 12 acc no way
@@pokemonkidentertainment2900 If FSU and Clemson can’t make the ACC relevant, they won’t bolster the big 12 . In 4 or 5 years the Big (2) will bury everyone else with their money 💰
Would ESPN pay for the move with the Look In Clause?
Kenton, your explanation does make a little sense. Otherwise, it says that FSU is desperate and didn't really think any of this through.
Oh, and Kenton, you are correct that FSU, is NOT negotiating anything at this time, with the Big XII. The reason is that if they were, the ACC would have a lawsuit against the Big XII called tortious interference with contract. The alienation of affection that you mentioned is the domestic relations version of the older tortious interference concept. So, apparently what is happening is that someone NOT employed by FSU is talking to someone not employed by the Big XII This is called third party talks. Anything discussed among third parties is not legally binding as a contract, and there is thus no tortious interference.
I only see the Big 12 as lateral move at best! Only way this happens is if the SEC ignores FSU and clemsons requests to join and the B1Gs AAU requirement really gets in the way.
I agree with Kenton.
Its a lateral move at best..
If fsu & Clemson move to the big 12 it’s no longer lateral as the ACC would now be the much lesser conference
@@magicsam8247 Exactly and that “New” Big 12 would make a lot more money than the current ACC/Big 12
Same lateral move as when the ACC raided the Big East right? Totally different I’m sure 😂
😂😂😂 keep coping
Only conference they could win in, with the gains other ACC teams have made, that will take them down this season and forever more. Plus Big 10 and SEC, they'd be another Florida, hoping for 5 wins. Run while you can..
Have anyone noticed that no one is talking about NCST? Sorry Kenton.
You just did...😁
B12 contract has not started so it can be renegotiated
Guys, you think there is an issue with the money only. How about the growth rate of the money? Is that important? Yormark has already said that the Big 12 has a growth rate of 40% over the last two years. If the Big 12 was on the stock exchange, would this kind of growth rate in profit margins work for you. I would also encourage you guys to not underestimate Brett Yormark. He has done deals far larger than Clemson and FSU with NASCAR.
Everyone saying this doesn't make sense HAS to be lying! Like I get, without Clemson and FSU, the ACC becomes a significantly weaker conference across the board. But you can't cope with that fact by continuing to downplay FSU and Clemson's moves to better themselves. I've been watching Alex and Kenton since before the lawsuits hit. The ACC-biased delusion gets stronger and stronger as the likelihood of FSU and Clemson leaving sooner rather than later increases.
What's delusional is thinking that the SEC and Big 10 doesn't really want CLEMSON and FSU but still thinking that they would leave the ACC to go to the big 12 dream on!😂
What happened to Candace Cooper?
No conference is talking to any of the litigants until the legal issues are completly settled. The size of the trotious interfenence damage claims due ACC would bankrupt any two super conferences.
The only way forward for the schools to get free to begin to negotiate with a new conference any sooner is to pay the severence fees as set forward in the contract otherwise expect a summary judgement after discovery is completed in North Carolina which will likely make any litigation in other states moot. Any talk of a conference having any informal or remotely tenuous feelers with either team at this stage is delusional and pure folly. All these rumors are likely the idle musing of unofficial individules to make for click bait or stir controversy.
SEC or Big10 don't want FSU, Clemson can join but not FSU
No Clemson fan would accept this if this is all Graham Neff can put together he will be gone immediately!
The payout is going to be renegotiated Gibbs
Hey, kenton Gibbs, the big 12 is going to have way more to offer wtf are u talking about? The acc is the next pac 12
Okay I don't get what part of this equation you guys are not getting. Penn state, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington. All AAU schools other than Nebraska who fell out but they were AAU when added. History would strongly suggest there is no Big 10 card for FSU and Clemson to play unless they get into the AAU sometime soon. So it begs the question did those 2 schools have a questionable at best plan when they started all this? It is possible because San Diego State completely misread their situation. So it's been known to happen.
Big12 media contract hasn't started yet
The Art of The Deal! No way they are doing a lateral move.
3:30 FSU doesn't want to admit that the 63-3 Orange Bowl drubbing still stinks to high heaven. That's why the SEC and Big 10 backed off. The Big 12 have been talking to both teams for months.
You guys hate FSU so much you just make up lies. FSU is 23-4 in their last two years I guarantee whatever trash team you cheer for probably has never done that. Pathetic
1 game would not define this nonsense you speak of.
lol. Still triggered by FSU, I see. Everyone with a brain knows FSU was playing with a bunch of backups.
Uncle Brett, is hoping, dreaming, and trying. A try is a failure. Bug 12 has no money to pay the greedy 2 acc teams. The sooner they leave the acc the better for the conference. Paying them mega million would truly wreck hell in the lil 12. Be careful what you wish for. Fs and clemson would do better being independent. Get going and don't look back. Borrowing money is not an option lik 12.
Tired of this Miami site.
Alex & Kenton, have you noticed Clemson fans on social media like the idea of joining the Big12
Those are not representative. Most Clemson fans, if we had to move, prefer the SEC due to the games we would prefer to see. Thats about it. Unlike Florida State, we dont hate the ACC en masse or anything.
mid 12 burner accounts pretending to be Clemson Tigers....
@@bleachorange i’m a Florida State fan and it’s really hyperbole to say that Florida State fans hate the ACC. There’s no hate for the ACC. We have just came to grips with the fact that the ACC has been poorly ran for years and has lost its relevancy as a conference and is now slipping into obscurity because of losing its competitive edge, I’m old enough to remember when the ACC was respected and looked at as one of the premier top-tier conferences in the country, all you have to do is look at some of the football players that has made it into the pro football Hall of Fame over the last three or four decades to understand what the talent level and competition was like in the ACC once upon a time I’ll name you two players right now that I don’t think people give a thought to the fact that they played in the ACC nobody’s going to tell me, Lawrence Taylor isn’t one of the best linebackers to ever step foot on the gridiron played in the ACC Deion Sanders played in the ACC hail Tikki and Ronde Barber played in the ACC legends have came out of this conference, but the people who have been in charge haven’t done everything they can to secure the conference future and keep it relevant and competitive as far as revenue and a few other things too, but I won’t go into all of that because we have enough people doing that already.
@@bleachorangeu should tho.
@@dro2real836Deion left FSU in 89', and they joined the ACC in 91'. They didn't compete in football until 92'.
Where are the canes going?
I think NC State is the dark horse to win the ACC this year. If its not Clemson or FSU, I think the Wolf Pack takes it.
Did you not pay attention when the PAC12 was going down Fox and ESPN pay an equal share to the incoming teams how do you not know that
I’ll join Coca Cola as CEO next year. Rumors say. Just speculating, and a reporter with sources has a report of a belief that it’ll happen
The Majic number is 8
Seems highly doubtful and is most likely a negotiating tactic
That said, you shouldn't underestimate the Big12 Commissioner -- that dude gets ish done.
If i was the acc commish i would travel once and play 2 games. Justspeng the week. Most soort teams has tutoring when on the road. Would cut down on the trips 2 trips equal 4 games.
4:25 The Big 12 TV deal doesn't go into effect until 7/1/25. There is still time to update the deal with new additions, don't be fooled.
CLEMSON and FSU dont want to play in the Big 12 dont be delusional!😂
@@jmath1978 Maybe they don't want to. Do you think the "Four Corner schools" wanted to join the Big 12?
None of the "Four Corners" schools really wanted to play in the Big 12 either and we know how that went 🤷♂️
I don’t believe that bull crap
I'm pretty sure ND and Calford/SMU could drum up enough equity to match or exceed any PE the B12 could dream up, and if it was set up as an ACC trust, it would pay out annually, not a one time injection....all it would take would be the "will" to make it happen( which probably isnt there after the way they're being treated), plus it would have to be an equitable payout among all ACC teams (Clemson and FSU seem to lack the will for that path). This isn't just about money, it's also about seeking unequal treatment that aggrieved parties feel they are owed, so they seek a party to scratch that itch.
lol
I agree with you. The ACC still has powerful schools, individuals and alumni associated. The ACC has the ability to chart it's own path if they will it so. The ACC is not poor and never had the debt issues or liability that the Pac-12 had. There are multiple options and multiple paths.
It would seem that FSU & Clemson are sold on this Super 2 conference scenario possibly by private capital partners.
The ACC was already guaranteed for increases. It seems like FSU doesn't want the deal to improve.
A lot of these detractors truly don't understand the ACC contract. They truly don't know what they are talking about...
Doce Grande!!
Topic has been rehashed over and over.
What's on Donno's head?
No way
To the big 12 from the ACC you might as well stay it’s not a step up
You guys have spent the last few months bashing the teams that want out
No no no no no no no, we should stay in ACC rather than Big 12
No no no we shouldn't
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Kenton, News Flash The Big 12 would get more money if they add FSU and Clemson more than the Current ACC-Big 12 deals. News Flash the new Big 12 tv deal doesn’t start until 2025 it will be boosted after adding ACC schools.
NEWS FLASH! NOBODY WANTS TO JOIN THE BIG 12 from the Big 10, SEC or ACC LOL!😂😢😂
Kenton is sooooooo annoying…. You have been wrong every step of the way dude
Kenton is The Pac 12 all over again yikes lol
Naw because CLEMSON and FSU want go to the Big 12 yikes! You big 12 fans are big hater lol!😂😅😊
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Viva Mexico!
Do you guys really believe Clemson and FSU would be the only teams going? I guarantee at least 2 more teams out of the ACC are coming with them. If this happens the ACC is done which means more $ for the Big12. Karma is a bitch ACC from what you did to the Big East!!
Karma for what those Big East schools wanted to move to the ACC just like Texas and Oklahoma wanted to get away from the SEC! You sound like another disgruntled hater big 12 fan!😂
@@jmath1978 no ,I'm a still disgruntled Big East fan and yes it's the exact situation. If FSU and Clemson leave do you really believe the rest of the ACC schools are not wanting to go too? No difference than when Miami and the rest of the traitors tucked tail and jumped to the ACC. Not a single ACC school wants to be the last one standing when the music stops!!
Why is this guy yelling? Couldn’t make it past 6:02 dude shut up
Solution leave and stop hating you sound like a big 12 fan with all that bishing!😂
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Lil 12 need to except the fact there at the bottom. Uncle Brett rushed out made a deal till 2031 and now want to add the greedy 2. What he's about to do is blow up the lil 12. Team in the lil 12 will not take less money to feed the greedy 2. That is a fight or flight reason.
Please Leave and don't for get the $120 million check and $54 million dollar check for your departing fee of the ACC.
Than what? Leave and go and be miserable in the Big 12?😂😂😂
lol they leave so does your conference! 😂😂😂😂
2024 NFL Draft picks by conference
SEC - 60.
Pac-12 - 43.
Big Ten - 42.
ACC - 41.
Big 12 - 31.
Breakdown by conference
Pac-12: 9
Big East: 8
ACC: 7
Big 12: 5
SEC, Big Ten: 4
Didn't The Legend that is Patrick Mahomes go to Texas Tech. Someone screwed up ROYAL picking Mitch Trabiski over him 🤣
Any team who picked someone else instead of him deserves to fire their GM. Lol. 😂
Where are the canes going?
If FSU, Clemson & Miami join the Big12. Yes that is a Big3 conference.
Acc is not considered Big3 because of SMU, CAL, WF, BC , Syracuse & Stanford.
Ĺeave Miami out of it...lmfaoo
😂😂😂😂 wrong
I'm going to say stay off drugs! NOBODY from the SEC, big 10 or Acc wants to go to the Big 12!😂😢😂