At around Covid times, I had commented this somewhere - go full throttle with twin engine based Tejas (ORCA). In these 4-5 years we would have made a significant progress on this project.
By the time the govt and IAF figure this out, tens of billions would have been wasted importing 2nd hand junk aircraft and engaging in emergency procurement orders.
One of the major shortcomings of the LCA (Tejas) was that the thinking behind its design was very short-sighted: a replacement for the MiG-21. As such, it was far too small. As a high school kid in the mid-90s I though this (had a chance to read a few papers presented on LCA design), and I still think this.
@@hsjawanda Tejas size is exactly right for its function as a point defence fighter. It's meant to intercept and shoot down PLA aircraft coming over the Himalayas from forward bases. Its small size also gives it a greater agility advantage over heavy, lumbering fighter aircraft. If it was larger, it would be heavier. And if it is heavier, a bigger engine would be needed to power it. But the right move is to build it around a light weight, high thrust engine like the GE F404/F414 because the same engine then can be used for a twin engine aircraft. The only mistake the Tejas made was starting with a single engine aircraft design thinking it would be easier / lower cost than a twin engine aircraft. It should have been the opposite as two 73KN Kaveri would have worked for an ORCA like plane.
Actually russia doesn't care much. But obviously they would secretly be giggling how we wasted decades on things we couldn't make. I certainly believe su57 will be acquired at the end😅
Corona mein jo 4 saal barbaad huye wo bhul gaye? Us waqt government janta ki sochti ya fauj ki? West wale to maje le rahe the ki Bharat ki aadhi aabadi mar ho jayegi, Bharat ka Economy doob jayega, Bharat hi khatam ho jayega. Aur bahari taqato ne bhi us waqt bharat ko barbaad karne ke liye apni taraf se bhi koi kasar nahi chhori. Kabhi China ne humla kiya , kabhi tabligio ne Epidemic ko zyada se zyada felane ki kosish ki, kabhi bhookh mari felane hetu west ne fake protest karaye. Ye Government ke sahi nirnay aur niti the jiske ke karan aaj Bharatiya bhi secure hain, Bharat ki Economy bhi strong and Stable hain, bharat bhi hain, aur Government ko criticize karne ke liye aap bhi zinda ho.
HAL has been granted "Maharatna PSU" status by Central gov so now it has access to some more development funds, they should use two modified Kaveri engines in HLFT-42.
3:30 Russians are now realising their aircraft industry was saved buy Indians many time, first with mig 21, mig 23, then Su30, if India had gone for Mig35 it too would have been a commercial success.
Russia is heavily dependent on Indian market. In 2013 they offered all their latest IFVs and tanks from the t15 series for local production if India scrapped its own ifv development.
Do you know soviet was biggest defence exporter in the world? 15,000 mig 21 were made in which india made only 800. Around 5,000 mig 23 were made in which india got only 150. Around 1,500 su27 are made in which india got only 272 su30. We saved world biggest defense industry? If you had done a tiny research then this joke could have been avoided😂😂😂
Kya keh raha he bhai. Pata bhi he kitne mig21 mig23 su27 russia ne export kre he? Sbse bada exporter raha he USSR. Ham to choti si market the unke liye.
Alpha bhai regarding avionics and tech,rafale is better but regarding speed,agility and super maneuverability,cost,mig35 is way ahead Mig35 is gen4.5 whereas rafale is 4.5++ Problems of gen4.5 are resolved in su57 that is battle proven So it depends basically on requirement as well as numbers❤
The speed doesn't matter much as aircraft are not operating at a max speed 90% of the time. The main thing is if Aircraft is Supersonic before using afterburner. Maneurvrability only useful in a dogfight, which Rafale anyways won't have to face most likely due to its excellent bvr capability
@@alokyadav9243 So aircraft will also be chosen by GOI or IAF? And if GOI is confused then how come Navy and Army are doing better compared to IAF in procurements?
@@mouneshbadiger7069Pls get this clear. The IAF has chosen the aircraft, its the GoI which needs to finalise the aircraft based on priority. There are multiple requests from Army, Air force or Navy but GoI chooses which needs higher priority. You think you know more than IAF and people fighting 24/7 know less than u? Let me also tell you they are the most technical people out of the three wings. Please STOP BASHING them.
Twin-engine leads to higher maintenance & logistics cost. We want stop-gap + low cost - point fighters that can perform multi-mission at local areas (not extended ranges). For that, the single engine Tejas is perfect cz it provides great performance at low speeds due to its delta wings - making it a great ground attack fighter too.
@@anuragsood7997 There is no point taking about saving pennies on higher maintenance costs of domestically produced items when tens of billions are wasted on importing foreign aircraft and even foreign second hand junk fighter planes. It's a case of saving 5 paisa and losing 50 rupees.
Sharma ji , i appreciate your effort . You are exploring the possibility of what can be done with the existing capacity available in the country . I only hope that the decision makers too have the same wisdom. Actually that's what they Chinese have done . Used the bird i in hand and kept refining it instead of chasing the rainbow that our Air Marshals have lusted for. You must create such videos , news wala toh har koi bana leta hai , but thinking out of the box and visualising a solution with the existing constrained capacity is the hallmark of a true subject matter expert. I think HAL is on something like this with the new Marut. Use kaveri components and learning from the program to improve Rd 33 and design orca around it . Our AC already have mig 29 so the commonality of engine in the deck will reduce duplication and improve work flow Lage raho Bhai I enjoy your videos
IAF thinks it meant saving money without understanding the difficulties it would generate in producing the end product. This is what happens when an agency behaves as just a shopper of goods rather than an integrated part of the defence infrastructure.
The problem is that everyone in CCS feels that GTRE has just wasted the funds. They have not got any success in kaveri engine,Rather we should be given funds. CMC should develop material on Kaveri engine so that its weight can be reduced and at least do a collaboration with France, because we need the engine.
Dude, do you think kaveri has some critical issue? The only thing that kaveri lacks is the thrust. It's not able to produce as much thrust we want for our fighter aircraft. Indian Private companies are afraid of putting money in R&D and you're suggesting they'll be able to increase the thrust of kaveri engine?😂😂😂 Why don't the so called strategic private companies are not able to develop a new engine all together if they're leading in production of cutting edge metallurgy parts for jet engine.?
@@Anu-iu1hg yeah you are right but they will have to do so at some point of time like all the private companies are doing in other countries. The government needs to make a better policy to encourage them especially in the aeronautical sector.
F-16, mirage-2000, and mig-29 were all designed in 1970 whose basic designs were of 1970's with all these aircraft's first flight in mid or late 1970's and the variants of these aircrafts are basically upgradation of avionics, sensors, weapon system with marginal ugradation on basic airframe designs/ and also engines one can call these aircrafts as 4th generation aircrafts. Rafale was designed in 1980's with first flight in late 1980's which also included certain elements of designs of 5th generation aircrafts (but not fully) for example "s" Shaped intakes hence rafales can be truly termed as 4.5 generation aircrafts just on the basis of basic designs on airframe/engines.
I seriously thought that it was simplified so much that a school kid will understand it but you proved me wrong. Apologies for not being able to simplify this to a level where you could have understood this. Video wasn’t talking Mig35 as a noun instead of metaphor for a aircraft with performance lower than Rafale but above Tejas MK1
@@AlphaDefenseHindi No worries everyone has right to make stories. I hope your 45 sqadrons is proving right like this one...keep it up...we rather enjoyed it...we need more such hypothetical Content...🤣🤣👌👌
@@saptarishi100 thats what i m sorry for the video was neither hypothetical not a story. However, it requires some broader mindset to understand it. i thought i simplified it for everyone but i failed..
Oh.. sir .. sir the biggest problem with Indian defence is budget , that is Hati key mukh mey jeera..the best option right now for IAF is to spend some money and go with French core and Kaveri engine or keep crying till India looses some territories of Arunachal and ladakh..
that's what even I thought, why not 2 Kaveri.. but now I understand we can't think beyond what's in our plate. But sill these thoughts have still glued to my mind that our force lust for Western equipment is not letting us think beyond what's in plate
3:00 Dog fight infrared Air to Air Missile fire karne ke liye enemy aircraft Mig-35 ke 6 o clock position matlab piche ki taraf hona chahiye tum review bias hai Mig-35 ka internal fuel capacity Rafale se jyada hai.
Tbh Russia has never encouraged developing Indian knowledge bank in the aerospace/aeronautical sector. We would have thousands of Indian aerospace interns working out of Tupolev & UAC by now if this was not the case.
Advantage of mig 35- we can get full TOT with source code so we can just use highly agile mig 35 airframe with Gallium nitride radar and indian weapon. If kaveri succeeds then good or else rd33-mk improved version is already doing its work. Let's end this rafale saga now
There is no such thing as full tot or even tot. In the end all that is provided is the very basics of assembly and perhaps integration information. Basically talk of tot means paying huge sums of money 💰 to foreign arms manufacturers to subsidize their research and development base at the expense of local r&d base.
I was seeking to figure out 2 engines with ORCA / TEDBF other than that mig 29 to navy (after UPG upgrade) and a few more SU30MKI for airforce. GTRR / GODREJ should try to reimagine the same engine with more aluminium and carbon steel based alloys or seek help from IITs or others
Start Designing a tejas mark 3 as soon as possible, a six generation LCH, mass produce it with indigenous components and systems and till that time we have already a huge arsenal of various indigenous weapon systems. Timeline start designing in 2025 and complete it in 2038.
Only need to take pro-active approach In kaveri projects if government dose not stopped kaveri projects and pushed it and funded properly Our stand will be Farr better
Good thoughts. Private Indian company can collaborate with mig can offered mig35 with kaveri engine in mrfa . It will be better than rafel because Indian aircraft assembly with Indian engine .
IAF want golden Arrow. They have options but in the search of golden Arrow they rejected lot of innovative and better option. If someone study mig29 program their is also a better deal but as i say serch of golden Arrow must carry on. Now this serch of golden Arrow became tuff day by day because homegrown technology became better than some of offered golden Arrow.
RD-33 and Kaveri GTC-35VS are quite close in performance parameters. In fact, the Kavery engine is slightly smaller in dimensions (although it is heavier). If DRDO / GTRE were serious about its performance, they could have easily used a Mig-29 platform as a testbed. It is a mystery why they have not done so till now, even after so many validations of its performance. A performing engine on a flying testbed can silence the critics and lead to rapid assimilation into service. The MoD must prioritise this aspect, or lese the entire funds, time and talent invested in this program remains aimless.
One this about might-35 is that it already comes with targeting pod in its air intake which is something like Su-34 (not exact) in Su-30/35 frame. And being T/W ratio being more than 1 for optimal payload. It’s a cheap version of a multi role fighter which can do many things.
Its simple for those who want to solve problem. IAF should commit for TEDBF based ORCA and Navy Naval AMCA with latest RD 33 engine which should adopted as AMCA variant whose engine should be replaced with 90 KN Kaveri engine, which DRDO should work on immediately. AMCA variant with GE 414 engine if possible when developed should be used for aircraft carrier operation. AMCA Mark 2 variant should be designed around AL 31 FP ( possibly type 20, variable duty cycle variant ) engine if at all necessary in future. Otherwise just purchase Su 57 E with customization and some sensor and weapon changes.
First priority is Make in India irrespective of Indigenous technology or foreign know how, but it must manufacture by more than 70% of Indigenous components. 100% indigenousation is not possible by any country. First we have to keep relationship with foreign countries also. We are not North Korea who are isolated from world. If Make of India not possible by any reason, we should only import 25% of our total weapons. Our security force should not loss the position due unavailability of high-tech weapons.
India can try to buy full Mig 35 rights, Russia is not too interested in it anymore as they will produce su-57 and su-75 from now on. Can integrate Indian, Israeli, French sensors and armaments as necessary. Even can use kaveri in later parts. It will save time and money for now.
The idea of a collaboration between Indian industry and MiG corporation is a good idea, maybe even considered to be feasible too but is anyone in the power corridors of India and Russia listening?
Our hlft 42 lead in fighters trainer Projects has scop of possibility For redesign around Kaveri engine As it dose not necessary to Need take such payloads or aerodynamic like If design correction are made in initial stage it will be optimiz batter then ever
Why not make a Tejas a la Mirage 4000 which adapts a twin engine design with the most minimal timeline compared to AMCA and TEDBF which have barely just started in earnest?
Neither the MiG35 , nor the F21 have any future - since they were both MMRCA specific planes and the project has ended with purchase of Rafale F3R. As a result , the features offered on the planes are now being used to upgrade the in service MiG29s of Russia and the F16 to Block 72 standards . Our plane of this segment now is the Tejas Mk2 - can the Kaveri fly it with even more tinkering ?
Alpha Defense: You missed one more important detail Mig 29 doesn't have a fly-by-wire flight control system. The MiG-35 has enhanced avionics, fly-by-wire systems, and an optical locator system that allows it to conduct independent missions.
He missed one more major point to mention.. The very factor which compelled us choosing GE F404 over RD33. Engine reliability ie. Total life cycle hours. GE F404 has 6000 hrs of life cycle RD 33 has 3000 to 4000 hrs of life cycle What about Kaveri??
@@nishantshrivastava9674 Kaveri is not even production-ready. Who knows how will it perform in combat. Russia has experience in making fighter jet engines we have nothing.
@@r8rdarklord We r asking even testbed data for total life cycle hour before exploring such prospects. How many hours can kaveri survive before going into overhaul?? Alpha defense never talks on it.
@@nishantshrivastava9674uska thrust bi Kam hai na after burners ke sath barely 73 but weight bahot jyada hai wo acheive karne ke liye mujhe lagta hai total life cycle accha hoga sayad acche se ander chise dalin hain inhone😂.
Bring another HAL (Bharath Aeronauticals Ltd) where NAL is it's partner while ADA is HALs partner. Indians will fund Bharath Aeronauticals Ltd post initial investment from Government of India
You have been telling us many times that we are not going to get Rafale or any other fighters till 2028-30. In this situation what's your opinion on the offer made by Gripen to give an aircraft within 1 yrs. Considering the fact that the avionics and GaN AESA radars of Gripen make it a formidable fighter. Waiting for your response
आज पहली बार बात की है इस लौंडे ने काम की जो हम बहुत पहले से कह रहे हैं । बिना पैसे खर्च किए घंटा ऑटोनोमी नहीं मिलने वाली। राष्ट्रीय सुरक्षा से बड़ा पैसा तो नहीं हो सकता । तीन क्या चार प्रोजेक्ट भी चलने पड़े तो चलाओ । कहां ले जाएगी सरकार पैसा । एक दो expressway,एयरपोर्ट्स कम banalo। रेलवे स्टेशन कम सजा लो क्या बिगड़ जाएगा ।
एक्सप्रेस वे हाइवे एयरपोर्ट सब बन सकता है कावेरी इंजन के साथ नया मिग भी बन सकता है बस भारत सरकार श्री लंका,मालदीप, पीली स्तन,अफगानिस्तान को सालाना बिलियन डॉलर खैरात देना बंद करे तो..जब घर का संतान भूखे पेट सो रहा हो तो कोई भी दिमाग वाला पिता पड़ोसी के बच्चे को तंदूरी खिलाने का सोच नहीं सकता पर ऐसा भारत में हो रहा देश की रक्षा एजेंसियां फंड की बाट जोह रही और सरकार रातों रात 50 मिलियन डॉलर मालद्वीप भिजवा दिया था
@@Vartik-jr4qr अफ़ग़ान,श्रीलंका मालद्वीप नेपाल पीली स्तन से कौन सी सभा के लिए वोट मिलते है और ये देश छंटे हुए धूर्त भी है जो भारत के समर्थन में कहीं सामने भी नहीं आते
One less airport means many crores less every year in economic development. It's a choice. More defence spending or more civil spending. Both have consequences.
Mig35 engines are exposed from the front. Is it the same issue with SU-35 MKI which has RCS of more than 5 m^2. Are we working to eliminate this issue in Super Sukhoi......
You never consider F15 eagle... US af is inducting latest version and it can have upto 18 hard points... And has speed of ,2.5 mach .. pls do consider that also it may be said its 50 year design but would USAF induct its latest version if it was not good ? Considering it would be cheaper and can use same ge engine also 414
When we have an alternative to RD33 then why not replace RD33 in our investor with Kaveri? Itne saare Mig 29s hai we can easily replace even Mig29K also can be replaced.
At around Covid times, I had commented this somewhere - go full throttle with twin engine based Tejas (ORCA). In these 4-5 years we would have made a significant progress on this project.
By the time the govt and IAF figure this out, tens of billions would have been wasted importing 2nd hand junk aircraft and engaging in emergency procurement orders.
One of the major shortcomings of the LCA (Tejas) was that the thinking behind its design was very short-sighted: a replacement for the MiG-21. As such, it was far too small. As a high school kid in the mid-90s I though this (had a chance to read a few papers presented on LCA design), and I still think this.
@@hsjawanda
Tejas size is exactly right for its function as a point defence fighter. It's meant to intercept and shoot down PLA aircraft coming over the Himalayas from forward bases.
Its small size also gives it a greater agility advantage over heavy, lumbering fighter aircraft.
If it was larger, it would be heavier. And if it is heavier, a bigger engine would be needed to power it. But the right move is to build it around a light weight, high thrust engine like the GE F404/F414 because the same engine then can be used for a twin engine aircraft.
The only mistake the Tejas made was starting with a single engine aircraft design thinking it would be easier / lower cost than a twin engine aircraft. It should have been the opposite as two 73KN Kaveri would have worked for an ORCA like plane.
Russia: You could not live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to me.
Actually russia doesn't care much. But obviously they would secretly be giggling how we wasted decades on things we couldn't make. I certainly believe su57 will be acquired at the end😅
What should have been done 5-7 years ago, it is being done now. Indian government is now scrambling for answers for our dwindling air force squadrons.
Corona mein jo 4 saal barbaad huye wo bhul gaye? Us waqt government janta ki sochti ya fauj ki? West wale to maje le rahe the ki Bharat ki aadhi aabadi mar ho jayegi, Bharat ka Economy doob jayega, Bharat hi khatam ho jayega. Aur bahari taqato ne bhi us waqt bharat ko barbaad karne ke liye apni taraf se bhi koi kasar nahi chhori. Kabhi China ne humla kiya , kabhi tabligio ne Epidemic ko zyada se zyada felane ki kosish ki, kabhi bhookh mari felane hetu west ne fake protest karaye. Ye Government ke sahi nirnay aur niti the jiske ke karan aaj Bharatiya bhi secure hain, Bharat ki Economy bhi strong and Stable hain, bharat bhi hain, aur Government ko criticize karne ke liye aap bhi zinda ho.
HAL has been granted "Maharatna PSU" status by Central gov so now it has access to some more development funds, they should use two modified Kaveri engines in HLFT-42.
Totally agreed we need to make a twin engine design based platform for the kaveri engine
3:30 Russians are now realising their aircraft industry was saved buy Indians many time, first with mig 21, mig 23, then Su30, if India had gone for Mig35 it too would have been a commercial success.
And same goes to our IAF...
IAF was saved by Russia b'coz at a certain point, everyone denied the sell to India.
Russia is heavily dependent on Indian market. In 2013 they offered all their latest IFVs and tanks from the t15 series for local production if India scrapped its own ifv development.
Do you know soviet was biggest defence exporter in the world? 15,000 mig 21 were made in which india made only 800. Around 5,000 mig 23 were made in which india got only 150. Around 1,500 su27 are made in which india got only 272 su30. We saved world biggest defense industry? If you had done a tiny research then this joke could have been avoided😂😂😂
Kya keh raha he bhai. Pata bhi he kitne mig21 mig23 su27 russia ne export kre he? Sbse bada exporter raha he USSR. Ham to choti si market the unke liye.
@@BPSingh-kn8gryehi hora hai aab usa ne tejas lca me tag aadanli
Russia ke engine hota to aaj jada nahi 25 mkia hote
Alpha bhai regarding avionics and tech,rafale is better but regarding speed,agility and super maneuverability,cost,mig35 is way ahead
Mig35 is gen4.5 whereas rafale is 4.5++
Problems of gen4.5 are resolved in su57 that is battle proven
So it depends basically on requirement as well as numbers❤
The speed doesn't matter much as aircraft are not operating at a max speed 90% of the time. The main thing is if Aircraft is Supersonic before using afterburner. Maneurvrability only useful in a dogfight, which Rafale anyways won't have to face most likely due to its excellent bvr capability
@@LplusRatioLol that depends on the type of mission
No fighter jet can fulfill all mission requirements
Atleast our enemies are not confused like IAF and GOI...
Yes bro iaf is most confused Air force of world.
@@opsclassified bro IAF is not confused... GOI is confused.... 😂
Deal will be done by GOI not IAF
@@alokyadav9243 So aircraft will also be chosen by GOI or IAF? And if GOI is confused then how come Navy and Army are doing better compared to IAF in procurements?
@@mouneshbadiger7069Pls get this clear. The IAF has chosen the aircraft, its the GoI which needs to finalise the aircraft based on priority. There are multiple requests from Army, Air force or Navy but GoI chooses which needs higher priority. You think you know more than IAF and people fighting 24/7 know less than u? Let me also tell you they are the most technical people out of the three wings. Please STOP BASHING them.
@@mouneshbadiger7069 When PM Modi orders Airforce to hide in clouds during airstrike. Then you really think that Airforce chooses the jet??? 😅😅
I fully agree with you bro
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Absolutely loved this video!! This is golden stuff
If only Tejas mk2 was twin engine we could have integrated kaveri engine with current performance and upgrade it when kaveri 2.0 comes out
Mera bhi yahi sochna hai, Tejas mk2 twin engine ka hona chahiye.....
Twin-engine leads to higher maintenance & logistics cost. We want stop-gap + low cost - point fighters that can perform multi-mission at local areas (not extended ranges). For that, the single engine Tejas is perfect cz it provides great performance at low speeds due to its delta wings - making it a great ground attack fighter too.
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@@anuragsood7997 If its indegenous engine no problem , twin engine is safe even if one engine fails
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There is no point taking about saving pennies on higher maintenance costs of domestically produced items when tens of billions are wasted on importing foreign aircraft and even foreign second hand junk fighter planes.
It's a case of saving 5 paisa and losing 50 rupees.
Loved the video.. genuinely creative problem solving.. hope some relevant people see this.
You are introducing a superb example of Oxymoron by juxtaposing F15 and Kavery !!! 😢😂 LOL !
Effectively The Mig-35 Is Dead On Arrival Better To Stick With Tejas/Kaveri Combo
Sharma ji , i appreciate your effort . You are exploring the possibility of what can be done with the existing capacity available in the country . I only hope that the decision makers too have the same wisdom. Actually that's what they Chinese have done . Used the bird i in hand and kept refining it instead of chasing the rainbow that our Air Marshals have lusted for. You must create such videos , news wala toh har koi bana leta hai , but thinking out of the box and visualising a solution with the existing constrained capacity is the hallmark of a true subject matter expert. I think HAL is on something like this with the new Marut.
Use kaveri components and learning from the program to improve Rd 33 and design orca around it .
Our AC already have mig 29 so the commonality of engine in the deck will reduce duplication and improve work flow
Lage raho Bhai
I enjoy your videos
Sahi kaha aapne apne suggestion & details information se indian govt airforce &Navy ko bhi avgat karaye
No words for explanation ❤Wow ❤️🔥
I didn't know why Tejas MK2 was not planned as a twin engine fighter. In that case Kaveri could have been used in current functions.
IAF thinks it meant saving money without understanding the difficulties it would generate in producing the end product.
This is what happens when an agency behaves as just a shopper of goods rather than an integrated part of the defence infrastructure.
Whether you have time of resources is secondary. Having will and commitment is first question
GOOD ONE Please forword this video to government official
राजनाथ सिंह जब तक होम मिनिस्टर रहा तब तक कुछ नहीं हुआ और जब तक रक्षा मंत्री है तब्बू कुछ नहीं होगा...
Nice video. Need more such videos.
Good new concepts , keep it up
2:50 This picture looks so spooky👻
The problem is that everyone in CCS feels that GTRE has just wasted the funds. They have not got any success in kaveri engine,Rather we should be given funds. CMC should develop material on Kaveri engine so that its weight can be reduced and at least do a collaboration with France, because we need the engine.
Wonderful analysis
Best Explain Sir 👌
Just give kaveri technology to a strategic private companies. They will fix all the problems and put in civilian planes 😅
Godrej make these engines...
If it is given to private companies, our bureaucrats will ensure that no one benefits from it.
Dude, do you think kaveri has some critical issue?
The only thing that kaveri lacks is the thrust.
It's not able to produce as much thrust we want for our fighter aircraft.
Indian Private companies are afraid of putting money in R&D and you're suggesting they'll be able to increase the thrust of kaveri engine?😂😂😂
Why don't the so called strategic private companies are not able to develop a new engine all together if they're leading in production of cutting edge metallurgy parts for jet engine.?
I don't like to insult people but statements like these make me to do so. Why would one put jet engines in civilian aircraft ?
@@Anu-iu1hg yeah you are right but they will have to do so at some point of time like all the private companies are doing in other countries. The government needs to make a better policy to encourage them especially in the aeronautical sector.
F-16, mirage-2000, and mig-29 were all designed in 1970 whose basic designs were of 1970's with all these aircraft's first flight in mid or late 1970's and the variants of these aircrafts are basically upgradation of avionics, sensors, weapon system with marginal ugradation on basic airframe designs/ and also engines one can call these aircrafts as 4th generation aircrafts.
Rafale was designed in 1980's with first flight in late 1980's which also included certain elements of designs of 5th generation aircrafts (but not fully) for example "s" Shaped intakes hence rafales can be truly termed as 4.5 generation aircrafts just on the basis of basic designs on airframe/engines.
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No words.....Kaveri in Mig 35....
Russia = Chal bag yahan se..😅😅😅😅
I seriously thought that it was simplified so much that a school kid will understand it but you proved me wrong.
Apologies for not being able to simplify this to a level where you could have understood this. Video wasn’t talking Mig35 as a noun instead of metaphor for a aircraft with performance lower than Rafale but above Tejas MK1
@@AlphaDefenseHindi No worries everyone has right to make stories. I hope your 45 sqadrons is proving right like this one...keep it up...we rather enjoyed it...we need more such hypothetical Content...🤣🤣👌👌
@@saptarishi100 thats what i m sorry for the video was neither hypothetical not a story. However, it requires some broader mindset to understand it. i thought i simplified it for everyone but i failed..
Oh.. sir .. sir the biggest problem with Indian defence is budget , that is Hati key mukh mey jeera..the best option right now for IAF is to spend some money and go with French core and Kaveri engine or keep crying till India looses some territories of Arunachal and ladakh..
that's what even I thought, why not 2 Kaveri.. but now I understand we can't think beyond what's in our plate. But sill these thoughts have still glued to my mind that our force lust for Western equipment is not letting us think beyond what's in plate
Good informative video.
3:00 Dog fight infrared Air to Air Missile fire karne ke liye enemy aircraft Mig-35 ke 6 o clock position matlab piche ki taraf hona chahiye tum review bias hai Mig-35 ka internal fuel capacity Rafale se jyada hai.
@@sanket13x nope you have buddy tagging and IIR seeker you don’t have to be exactly 6
It’s difficult for Indian companies to partner with MIG because of all the sanctions - any entity working with MIG will also be sanctioned
Excellent suggestion.
If India takes up RD-33, they may be able to improve it to the same level as the F414.
They have significant experience by now.
RD33 MRO already exists in Koraput HAL facility.
Tbh Russia has never encouraged developing Indian knowledge bank in the aerospace/aeronautical sector. We would have thousands of Indian aerospace interns working out of Tupolev & UAC by now if this was not the case.
Moral: Don't look for the best but what's required and optimum.....
Advantage of mig 35- we can get full TOT with source code so we can just use highly agile mig 35 airframe with Gallium nitride radar and indian weapon. If kaveri succeeds then good or else rd33-mk improved version is already doing its work. Let's end this rafale saga now
There is no such thing as full tot or even tot.
In the end all that is provided is the very basics of assembly and perhaps integration information.
Basically talk of tot means paying huge sums of money 💰 to foreign arms manufacturers to subsidize their research and development base at the expense of local r&d base.
@@mtrest4 so you are getting rafale for free?
@@Vartik-jr4qr
Who's talking about Rafale ?
What's Rafale got to do with the conversation?
@@mtrest4 so where is the problem
@@Vartik-jr4qr
What problem?
Instead of using Kaveri to create mig35 like fighter we should focus on UCAV Ghatak. That will be a more futuristic solution.
Pinnacle of technology is GE F-404 and F-414 engines.. M88 is few notches lower
Superb analysis
Now dancing engine is dancing here and there.
I was seeking to figure out 2 engines with ORCA / TEDBF other than that mig 29 to navy (after UPG upgrade) and a few more SU30MKI for airforce. GTRR / GODREJ should try to reimagine the same engine with more aluminium and carbon steel based alloys or seek help from IITs or others
Start Designing a tejas mark 3 as soon as possible, a six generation LCH, mass produce it with indigenous components and systems and till that time we have already a huge arsenal of various indigenous weapon systems.
Timeline start designing in 2025 and complete it in 2038.
Only need to take pro-active approach
In kaveri projects
if government dose not stopped kaveri projects and pushed it and funded properly
Our stand will be Farr better
Good thoughts. Private Indian company can collaborate with mig can offered mig35 with kaveri engine in mrfa . It will be better than rafel because Indian aircraft assembly with Indian engine .
Can it be used in AWAC or transport aircraft that needs 2 to 4 engines?
Agar hal 17t category ka dual engine fight jet banaye kaveri engine ka use karke to woh jyada behtar rahega
IAF want golden Arrow.
They have options but in the search of golden Arrow they rejected lot of innovative and better option. If someone study mig29 program their is also a better deal but as i say serch of golden Arrow must carry on. Now this serch of golden Arrow became tuff day by day because homegrown technology became better than some of offered golden Arrow.
We should try for ORCA on kaveri engine....AIR FORCE AND NAVY BASED...
Govt should push the same project under modi ji supervision
.Jai hind
6.06 Brother, then what is wrong with the Air Force ORCA version introduced by making slight changes in the TEDBF Navy version? 😅
Tedbf is designed for longer leg missions like entire IOR kind thing. Such aircraft will be heavier and need more power. Thats why GE F414
Best thing about mig is top intake during takeoffs
Yes Sharmaji, Mig 35 with Kaveri engine delivered to IAF in 2095!!
@@dimwittedhuman3044 that’s called creation of backup ! If it goes beyond 2030-35 we should stop calling ourselves civilisation
😂😂😂
RD-33 and Kaveri GTC-35VS are quite close in performance parameters. In fact, the Kavery engine is slightly smaller in dimensions (although it is heavier).
If DRDO / GTRE were serious about its performance, they could have easily used a Mig-29 platform as a testbed. It is a mystery why they have not done so till now, even after so many validations of its performance.
A performing engine on a flying testbed can silence the critics and lead to rapid assimilation into service.
The MoD must prioritise this aspect, or lese the entire funds, time and talent invested in this program remains aimless.
They asked Mig29 and never got it
One this about might-35 is that it already comes with targeting pod in its air intake which is something like Su-34 (not exact) in Su-30/35 frame. And being T/W ratio being more than 1 for optimal payload. It’s a cheap version of a multi role fighter which can do many things.
We should make TEDBF WITH KAVERI 73 kn version.....we already using rafale M with m88 75kn version
Its simple for those who want to solve problem. IAF should commit for TEDBF based ORCA and Navy Naval AMCA with latest RD 33 engine which should adopted as AMCA variant whose engine should be replaced with 90 KN Kaveri engine, which DRDO should work on immediately. AMCA variant with GE 414 engine if possible when developed should be used for aircraft carrier operation. AMCA Mark 2 variant should be designed around AL 31 FP ( possibly type 20, variable duty cycle variant ) engine if at all necessary in future. Otherwise just purchase Su 57 E with customization and some sensor and weapon changes.
@AlphaDefenseHindi but kaveri produce 73kn thrust while rd33 produce 83kn thrust
Before going to make a single engine air craft, we should have tried to make a 2 engine air craft first.
Well not a bad idea. Atleast we can some numbers.
Please make a video for kaveri engine in AMCA mark 2
We would love that too
Also safron engines in Sukhoi upgrades
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
It will be no good for India to go for Mig 35..
First priority is Make in India irrespective of Indigenous technology or foreign know how, but it must manufacture by more than 70% of Indigenous components.
100% indigenousation is not possible by any country. First we have to keep relationship with foreign countries also.
We are not North Korea who are isolated from world.
If Make of India not possible by any reason, we should only import 25% of our total weapons.
Our security force should not loss the position due unavailability of high-tech weapons.
Tejas mk2 should be planned double engine.they should have tried refined kaveri engine. US ka kuch pata nhi kab dhokha dede
Are you suggesting orca ?
India can try to buy full Mig 35 rights, Russia is not too interested in it anymore as they will produce su-57 and su-75 from now on.
Can integrate Indian, Israeli, French sensors and armaments as necessary. Even can use kaveri in later parts. It will save time and money for now.
No the best is reborn hal marut with twin engine kaveri or use Russian jet engine
Mrfa isn't the permanent solution however tejas mk2 is. Bas f414 me dikkat nahi aana chahiye. We can get a jet before 2030.
Start joint production of nig 35 with indian avionics and radar,it will much more cheaper than other jets.
May as well stick with su-30mki in that case.
Production line and some of the supply chain ⛓️ have already been built in India at huge costs.
The idea of a collaboration between Indian industry and MiG corporation is a good idea, maybe even considered to be feasible too but is anyone in the power corridors of India and Russia listening?
Our hlft 42 lead in fighters trainer
Projects has scop of possibility
For redesign around Kaveri engine
As it dose not necessary to Need take such payloads or aerodynamic like
If design correction are made in initial stage it will be optimiz batter then ever
Why not make a Tejas a la Mirage 4000 which adapts a twin engine design with the most minimal timeline compared to AMCA and TEDBF which have barely just started in earnest?
TEDBF and ORCA should be occurring in parallel to share the development expense. 2 aircraft for the development price of 1.35 aircraft.
@@mtrest4 ORCA isn't even officially sanctioned yet, and TEDBF will have limited orders from the navy
HAL needs to think ahead.
Neither the MiG35 , nor the F21 have any future - since they were both MMRCA specific planes and the project has ended with purchase of Rafale F3R.
As a result , the features offered on the planes are now being used to upgrade the in service MiG29s of Russia and the F16 to Block 72 standards .
Our plane of this segment now is the Tejas Mk2 - can the Kaveri fly it with even more tinkering ?
Ek plane par Laveri test kar ke to dekho .. hobsakta hai foreign labs aapke saath game baja rahi hon
Alpha Defense: You missed one more important detail Mig 29 doesn't have a fly-by-wire flight control system. The MiG-35 has enhanced avionics, fly-by-wire systems, and an optical locator system that allows it to conduct independent missions.
Earlier Mig 29 did not have FBW FCS, later Mig 29 do have FBW FCS
He missed one more major point to mention.. The very factor which compelled us choosing GE F404 over RD33.
Engine reliability ie. Total life cycle hours.
GE F404 has 6000 hrs of life cycle
RD 33 has 3000 to 4000 hrs of life cycle
What about Kaveri??
@@nishantshrivastava9674 Kaveri is not even production-ready. Who knows how will it perform in combat. Russia has experience in making fighter jet engines we have nothing.
@@r8rdarklord We r asking even testbed data for total life cycle hour before exploring such prospects.
How many hours can kaveri survive before going into overhaul??
Alpha defense never talks on it.
@@nishantshrivastava9674uska thrust bi Kam hai na after burners ke sath barely 73 but weight bahot jyada hai wo acheive karne ke liye mujhe lagta hai total life cycle accha hoga sayad acche se ander chise dalin hain inhone😂.
Bring another HAL (Bharath Aeronauticals Ltd) where NAL is it's partner while ADA is HALs partner. Indians will fund Bharath Aeronauticals Ltd post initial investment from Government of India
You have been telling us many times that we are not going to get Rafale or any other fighters till 2028-30. In this situation what's your opinion on the offer made by Gripen to give an aircraft within 1 yrs. Considering the fact that the avionics and GaN AESA radars of Gripen make it a formidable fighter. Waiting for your response
@@VivekKSvivekkrishnamoorthi Gripen E flies on GE F414 and that line is yet not mature else it’s a good option but overlaps Tejas MK2
Air frame... Design aur delta wing ka benifit dog fight.. etc ke upar video banao.. brother
F404 is 1035 kgs and F414 1110 kgs
Btw, why not Gripen E as option for MRFA .. it has GaN Radar as well. SAAB is committing to deliver in 3 yrs
Why not TEDBF with twin Kaveri engines?
Time bohot hea start it
Mig-35 is best' option we r not in weight lifting competition
Rafael is very very costly
We can make Mig-35 mki
With desi AESA AND SENSOR'S SUIT
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एक्सप्रेस वे हाइवे एयरपोर्ट सब बन सकता है कावेरी इंजन के साथ नया मिग भी बन सकता है बस भारत सरकार श्री लंका,मालदीप, पीली स्तन,अफगानिस्तान को सालाना बिलियन डॉलर खैरात देना बंद करे तो..जब घर का संतान भूखे पेट सो रहा हो तो कोई भी दिमाग वाला पिता पड़ोसी के बच्चे को तंदूरी खिलाने का सोच नहीं सकता पर ऐसा भारत में हो रहा देश की रक्षा एजेंसियां फंड की बाट जोह रही और सरकार रातों रात 50 मिलियन डॉलर मालद्वीप भिजवा दिया था
Vote nhi aate na rafale ya mig 35 kharidne se
@@Vartik-jr4qr अफ़ग़ान,श्रीलंका मालद्वीप नेपाल पीली स्तन से कौन सी सभा के लिए वोट मिलते है और ये देश छंटे हुए धूर्त भी है जो भारत के समर्थन में कहीं सामने भी नहीं आते
One less airport means many crores less every year in economic development.
It's a choice. More defence spending or more civil spending.
Both have consequences.
Mig35 engines are exposed from the front. Is it the same issue with SU-35 MKI which has RCS of more than 5 m^2. Are we working to eliminate this issue in Super Sukhoi......
MIG21 IS MIG35.. widow makers II
That's why i don't like russian jet....2:40 easily intercepted.
Why can't we make TEDBEF with twin kaveri Engine or till time integrate kaveri engine with mig29k
Well mig 29 leh side pe Inka performance acha rha hai rafale se sasta padega agar hum mig 35 khud ke avounics and radar ke sath laye to
You never consider F15 eagle... US af is inducting latest version and it can have upto 18 hard points... And has speed of ,2.5 mach .. pls do consider that also it may be said its 50 year design but would USAF induct its latest version if it was not good ?
Considering it would be cheaper and can use same ge engine also 414
I think there is too much focus now on AF issues. Maybe change of focus would help.
Mig 35 ka 100% technology transfer Dene ke liye taiyaar thaa.!
Aisa kuch nahi tha
Make a video about SU75 with Russian Engine and Indian radar and software
We just need keep upgrading our su30mk1 like the chinese did.
Puzzle to connect hoti rahegi lekin govt ko to videshi engine hi Lena he 😂
Lol
Matlab yadi Kaveri ko fund kiya jaae aur is ko national project Bana diya jaae to iska weight kum kiya ja sakta hai aur thrust badaya ja sakta hai
When we have an alternative to RD33 then why not replace RD33 in our investor with Kaveri? Itne saare Mig 29s hai we can easily replace even Mig29K also can be replaced.
Midhani should develop new material for engine