Do you Really Want to Work for the FAANGS?

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  • Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
  • For many a young nerdling, getting a job at one of the FAANGS is an aspirational achievement ... but are you sure you wanna work there?
    What are the FAANGS? FAANG is the acronym for these tech stocks: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Alphabet's Google.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 221

  • @StefanMischook
    @StefanMischook  4 роки тому +7

    👏 Learn to write code from the 269yrs old programmer in the video above: school.studioweb.com/store

    • @slhermit
      @slhermit 2 роки тому

      But, why do we have to follow this one study by google (according to you there are very few dev in FANNG, and google devs are just a fraction of that)
      when most employers favor candidates coming from top colleges and candidates with advanced degrees and who have big corporate experience.

  • @tinaanastopoulos9242
    @tinaanastopoulos9242 4 роки тому +115

    Excellent advice. “Go big or go home” they say, but remember that no matter how much of your life you give to it, big will never be your home.

    • @hacker-7214
      @hacker-7214 4 роки тому +3

      How about go big and go home or go big then go home. Thats my philosophy

    • @hacker-7214
      @hacker-7214 4 роки тому +2

      @Cuthlehoop Music this^^ haha

    • @moraissouni
      @moraissouni 4 роки тому

      @Cuthlehoop Music yeaah hhh respect

    • @doggo660
      @doggo660 3 роки тому

      @Cuthlehoop nahh 4 years for vesting then scadaddle.

    • @amir3515
      @amir3515 3 роки тому

      Just build a big home

  • @gigik64
    @gigik64 4 роки тому +21

    I agree, but honestly I feel that even if it's not that great after all, having FANG on your CV will give you a head start when you start your own thing.

  • @ilpazzo1257
    @ilpazzo1257 4 роки тому +9

    The most important thing that I learned with job/career orientation is that you have to go where you think you'll be happy, and I can't be reminded that too much.

  • @user-qx3bq5nn6g
    @user-qx3bq5nn6g 4 роки тому +4

    Hi Stefan, i really enjoy your videos, especially the format ( short and precise ). Thanks !

  • @johnb1268
    @johnb1268 4 роки тому +2

    Fantastic content as always. Thank you!

  • @doctorsilver3365
    @doctorsilver3365 4 роки тому +47

    Only in FAANGS you can make $200K+, small companies it is much harder to make big money. Thats what it all comes down to.

    • @paulfunigga
      @paulfunigga 4 роки тому +4

      If you go into management in a small company you can make that. But if you want to be a coder, sure.

    • @MidniteSon
      @MidniteSon 4 роки тому

      I agree because of their equity programs, but you have to stay for multiple years to vest.

    • @sotacan
      @sotacan 4 роки тому +6

      dude its like 400k including stocks lol

    • @keyone415
      @keyone415 4 роки тому +5

      @iTalkData You will be surprised but that's true, $300k+ is normal in FAANG company, for a Senior SW Engineer. This information is crowdsourced on websites like levels.fyi

    • @johnwig285
      @johnwig285 4 роки тому +1

      @iTalkData not say im buying it but that is probably for senior management or a specialist.

  • @theretroman3862
    @theretroman3862 4 роки тому +65

    Screw that! After 20+ years and working in large corpos I can tell you the stress is too high for the payment you get.
    Also, for the profit they make they pay too little for your time! Don't do it unless you simply have no option at all. The main reason for you to learn programming is to make your own business or work remote!

    • @Chiramisudo
      @Chiramisudo 4 роки тому +6

      This! Spot on!!

    • @saturn-xu4lc
      @saturn-xu4lc 4 роки тому +4

      how much do you make, and which company were you at? I know people working 35-45 hours a week making ~400k a year before taxes at FAANG companies which is not a lot of stress or time for a good chunk of change.

    • @rammaheshwari9748
      @rammaheshwari9748 4 роки тому

      Agree

    • @cclementson1986
      @cclementson1986 4 роки тому +7

      You clearly worked for the wrong corporations. It's definitely not all like this. And no, some of us don't want to be entrepreneurs. I really dislike when people generalize like this.

    • @actionphotopassion5082
      @actionphotopassion5082 4 роки тому +3

      @@saturn-xu4lc well here in France it's far from that especially if you're a tech nerd. You're seen like a weirdo in my country and if you can go up to 70k euros per year it's already Eldorado.
      No really, loads of hours of job and stress paid so-so and again I repeat for an administrative job not even a techy one.
      Anyway all what I noticed since the past 12 years is a clear decrease in quality of the deliveries.
      I understand that youngsters need to learn, but there is a huge gap between learning/understanding/applying the design patterns and knowing how to declare and initialize a variable... Nowadays the big companies aren't even ashamed to bill the client a real rookie as soon as the pillars on project can still assure the delivery.... For me here is the big failure.

  • @graphicseeker2352
    @graphicseeker2352 4 роки тому +2

    Great deep thoughts on this! Appreciate!

  • @mehdibelhajmaati397
    @mehdibelhajmaati397 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you Stefan.You're the best in this youtube

  • @PragmaticReviews
    @PragmaticReviews 4 роки тому +4

    Good food for thought! Thanks!

  • @nikolovtod
    @nikolovtod 4 роки тому +9

    I learned a lot by working in big corporations and i made i lot of friends. The big issue however is that you don't have control over your own development in these jobs - they will only invest in whatever skills the company needs at the moment, which is perfectly understandable. Also having to report to somebody (there is always somebody above you in these companies) go through performance evaluations...pretending that you care about the company's "core values" etc. get's really annoying at one point. You have three options -1. stay at one company and follow their route 2. Jump between companies every 1-2 years depending on what they offer you and 3. start building your own business. After 10 years of corporate work i choose option 3 :)

    • @einarabelc5
      @einarabelc5 4 роки тому

      So how long have you been in business and what was your biggest DANGER, not challenge, danger. Thanks!

    • @shrunkensimon
      @shrunkensimon 3 роки тому

      I worked in an entirely different industry to IT and what you wrote was applicable to the big corp I worked for - you forgot to add the torture of weekly 'timesheets'!

  • @mahmud-ahsan
    @mahmud-ahsan 4 роки тому +1

    Very well said. Loved it.

  • @keyone415
    @keyone415 4 роки тому +10

    JPianist Senior Staff Engineer is a level you can get after 4 years working with FAANG when you are doing well, usually you can start around $300k after couple of years you are getting around $600k.
    One of many reason Software are looking to work with FAANG is just about money. I don't think Stefan Mischook knows that, they don't offer your regular corporate paycheque.
    With this amount of money you can quickly save for your retirement and never worry about getting another job.
    If want to do freelancing, well, brand recognition will bootstrap for business.
    If you want to become a UA-camr or sell online courses well you have the authority as an ex Googler 😂

    • @user-pn8dq6vt4s
      @user-pn8dq6vt4s 4 роки тому +2

      Senior Staff (2 levels above senior SDE at google) is not achievable in 4 years. Most devs at 4 years will be at senior sde, max. There are very few IC-6/senior staff level dev jobs (maybe 2%) and most people with that level will be approaching 40 years old.

    • @keyone415
      @keyone415 4 роки тому +1

      @@user-pn8dq6vt4s Yes I agree, it's not achievable in 4 years if, you just go to FAANG as your first job.
      But I know people who got there as Senior Staff within 4 years, but they had a decade of experience in tech startups prior to joining FAANG.

  • @marekiwaniuk2399
    @marekiwaniuk2399 4 роки тому

    Straight to the point, as always.

  • @DHRUVNARAYANSINGH
    @DHRUVNARAYANSINGH 4 роки тому

    Great advice !

  • @jk-sj4nf
    @jk-sj4nf 4 роки тому +1

    I have one doubt , I'd be glad if you answer , if some one works for let's say google / faang , do i have rights to make my own startup legally in off working hours I.e after my working hours!

  • @earlh
    @earlh 4 роки тому +6

    Few tips for the folks there that are just starting out. If you ever get the chance to work for a FAANG company, DO IT!
    Even if it is not your goal, even if you hate it, stay there for a year or so, it will open you many doors!
    Also while higher education isn't a requirement often to get a job as a developer, DON'T DO IT THE HARD WAY!
    If you have the opportunity, go to University and accept a FAANG job, it will be worth it and no, you don't need to stay there for the rest of your life!

    • @earlh
      @earlh 4 роки тому +1

      @Peter Mortensen unless you are a contractor that signed some restrictive contract it is easy to prove. Your working contract with the company, documents from HR, ex-colleagues etc. That's not really an issue I would say.

  • @maximegeorges8644
    @maximegeorges8644 4 роки тому

    Thanks a lot for the video very interesting. Would you hold the same speech for a data science position rather then a software developer position ?

    • @StefanMischook
      @StefanMischook  4 роки тому

      For data science position .. you probably needs your math and algos. But that is not my field.

  • @jdee1900
    @jdee1900 4 роки тому

    Is a CEGEP Technique with internship in IT worth it?

  • @JasonKT13
    @JasonKT13 4 роки тому +2

    i mean, i get your point, but i rly wanna get hired there just because resume n self development purposes. basically 6/9 months max and im gone being able to get in whereever i chose to

  • @miguelfrosales01
    @miguelfrosales01 4 роки тому +2

    I would advice anyone to go for a fang job if they can, I think it can give you excellent experience but it shouldn't be an end. As you said one needs to develop a reputation and a job at a fang is a pretty good start.

  • @SXsoft99
    @SXsoft99 4 роки тому +4

    at first i read the vide title like "working for the 'faaags'", anyway, after working for 1.5 years or so in a corporation after working in a small business and now back to a small one, i do see the pluses and minuses in both

  • @patrickdee7365
    @patrickdee7365 4 роки тому

    Could you please link that Google study on quality of degrees vs no degrees?

    • @StefanMischook
      @StefanMischook  4 роки тому

      Do a search on Google ... it is easy to find.

  • @singhbrijinder
    @singhbrijinder 4 роки тому +2

    Good info..

  • @GamingBlake2002
    @GamingBlake2002 4 роки тому +2

    Good timing, I was wondering lately if working for a big name company would be worth it

  • @AnttiTolamo
    @AnttiTolamo 4 роки тому +1

    Big organisations are very bureaucratic. They have to be to control and understand what happens inside them. That said much depends where you land. I've seen quite agile and business oritened parts inside big companies.

  • @connorsmiley2294
    @connorsmiley2294 4 роки тому +4

    Great video, although I'm working as a programmer at Ubisoft and I'm very happy :)

    • @StefanMischook
      @StefanMischook  4 роки тому +3

      You have to find the job that works for YOU.

  • @AdvocateOfJamaica
    @AdvocateOfJamaica 4 роки тому

    Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google. Anyone know what the "S" stands for? And how comes Microsoft (M) doesn't fit somewhere in that acronym?

  • @igorgreccolacourt5058
    @igorgreccolacourt5058 4 роки тому

    Great content! Personally, I would love to work for one of that Big Companies. At least to feel if it works for me.

    • @actionphotopassion5082
      @actionphotopassion5082 4 роки тому +1

      Go for it you would learn a lot of good practices and management stuff. You will see the pros and cons of using the certifications on projects (cmmi...)
      But if you are in the will of driving your projects, doing your own homework researches do define how this solution scales against that one and so on... Well you'll be deceived after having achieved the learning curve of the project I repeat myself here.
      Still on your resume, those names will open you more doors for future jobs...in the same kind 😅

  • @actionphotopassion5082
    @actionphotopassion5082 4 роки тому

    Thank you for your feedbacks on this.
    I started in a very little company (study office typically) and I never encountered anymore such a degree of liberty in research and study in none of the big companies I enroled later, being Accenture, Cap, Atos and so on.
    In those big companies as you said it, it's too much of an administration job. I had seen and still see that most people there are just "doers" and even if one ain't no "doer", the repeated tasks are simply too much overwhelming and time consuming compared to the real deal .
    And that is exactly what you pointed out about the Google study... Now for someone that is not a "doer" this type of job should not last long either.

  • @Ownage4lif31
    @Ownage4lif31 4 роки тому +3

    Everyone who worked at a faang had quit after a year. They insist it had nothing to with the pressure and long hours. Bit after asking some honest people, they said it isn't worth the pay because you don't even have the time to spend it.
    Its good for experience, but I don't think you'd expect to work there forever.

    • @A2Kaid
      @A2Kaid 3 роки тому

      That's totally wrong, I'm in FAANG and several of my coworkers have been there 3-9 years. If people do leave, they often move onto another FAANG company.

    • @Ownage4lif31
      @Ownage4lif31 3 роки тому

      ​@@A2Kaid I guess there are some people who will always stick around. I'm talking about people who enjoy their lives though.
      Every person I have spoken to, who enjoys their free time and lives, tend to have quit FANG and moved onto a startup/smaller company. When I asked why, they said, "The amount of money you earn will never be enough to buy your free time".
      In some sense, I kind of feel sorry for you guys. You must work extremely hard to earn the salary they give you. I know some people who do 1/4 of the effort and earn 1-4m/year. Being in FANG for more than 3 years seems overkill (if the stories are true). Investing just part of that money within that time, could have done some good.
      I guess some people last longer than others. I should have worded it differently.

    • @A2Kaid
      @A2Kaid 3 роки тому

      @@Ownage4lif31 Uh trust me these people live fun and balanced lives and some of them even own pets. Myself included I enjoy the weekends, take trips, have hobbies, etc. Are there weeks were I'm working more than 40 hours yeah, but at the end of the day its rewarding work. Each FAANG company has its difference but many offer generous vacation and unlimited sick leave, not everyone is working long hours every single week. You're highly compensated for the skills and execution you bring. What may take an ordinary engineer or designer weeks to do, a FAANG person can do in days.

  • @phizicks
    @phizicks 4 роки тому +4

    I've worked in every type of company and now work for Amazon AWS, never been so happy now. No BS, everyone is great, same vision, boss know their stuff and no inter team or person to person issues.. maybe I'm just lucky?

    • @Keggplant
      @Keggplant 4 роки тому

      But, does your career grow in dog years ;)

    • @alanmdl
      @alanmdl 4 роки тому

      good effort man you deserve it! yeah seems nice to work there, i worked for a small non-profit doing app development for their both of their platforms and I didn't have to deal with much political bs since they mainly left their engineering team(us) alone to do our own thing lol

    • @WhoElseTube
      @WhoElseTube 4 роки тому

      Just wait couple years...

  • @lgiorgos1
    @lgiorgos1 4 роки тому +1

    A big company is the best if you re starting out. A work experience in a big company really counts in your CV. That's why I chose to work for a big 4 consulting company. The wage is not high at all in my country and the competition is very big for some reason , but I don't plan on staying more than 2 years, probably one. I don't see any chances to evolve there.

  • @hv1461
    @hv1461 4 роки тому +1

    I like your style

  • @hleet
    @hleet 4 роки тому

    I want you to cite your source/link when you say that google says that there was no difference between the coder that has a degree and the one that doesn't have any !

    • @davidstarkey295
      @davidstarkey295 4 роки тому +6

      It's amazing what one can find via Google: www.axios.com/google-apple-college-degree-hiring-a290bca8-65a7-4de2-8fa9-d93b4c30457a.html

    • @01Ventures
      @01Ventures 4 роки тому +4

      www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/12/20/the-surprising-thing-google-learned-about-its-employees-and-what-it-means-for-todays-students/

  • @LucasMartins-el7kn
    @LucasMartins-el7kn 4 роки тому +1

    I believe the main reason developers seek for the FAANGS positions is because it's very competitive to put their names on your resume. It's all about how you can stand out from the other developers that work at less prestigious companies. Also, I think that's a great opportunity to learn some business from inside of the most successful companies in the world, in case you wish to run your own business in the future. According to payscale.com, the average employee tenure at Google is 1.1 years which is ridiculously low. That tells us a lot about their employees.

    • @silversolver7809
      @silversolver7809 4 роки тому +2

      "learn some business from inside of the most successful companies in the world, in case you wish to run your own business in the future"
      Careful with that. In a big company you will almost definitely have a narrow role-'siloed' as Stefan said-and as well be exposed to very structured software dev methods.
      That's all very far from what you'll need if you want to freelance or start a small dev biz. In that world, you'll be exposed to customers, marketing, bookkeeping, persuading, support etc etc-it truly is a different world from the cocoon of big biz.

  • @caw25sha
    @caw25sha 4 роки тому

    I have never worked for a company with more than about 100 people and wouldn't want to. I have actually turned down interviews for very large companies just because I didn't want to workfor them.
    The majority of developers I have worked with came from a different background: engineering, mathematics, scienes etc.
    It would be interesting to hear people's opinions on how former FAANG employees are regarded by employers. Is it a big plus point to have worked for them?

  • @aaronstark171
    @aaronstark171 4 роки тому

    awesome content as usual! the color grading is a bit off tho

  • @SajeelCodes
    @SajeelCodes 4 роки тому +1

    I have experience interning at these companies. I interned at two of these (Facebook and Google). And now my mission is to help people get into those two companies and secure their career and future.

    • @simplyballing1592
      @simplyballing1592 4 роки тому +1

      Why don't you want to work there?

    • @SajeelCodes
      @SajeelCodes 4 роки тому

      @@simplyballing1592 Due to my mission

    • @simplyballing1592
      @simplyballing1592 4 роки тому +2

      @@SajeelCodes Ok well from now on my mission will be to help people become billionaires. I'll start a UA-cam channel and help people become billionaires. I'll eventually sell them online courses on how to become billionaires.. It's interesting how Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates aren't selling courses on how to build mega tech companies. They are DOING the thing. My dad once told me, those who can DO, those who can't, teach/ help. If you are so capable of working in those companies go and execute on that

    • @SajeelCodes
      @SajeelCodes 4 роки тому

      @@simplyballing1592 good idea. Go on

    • @SajeelCodes
      @SajeelCodes 4 роки тому

      @@marcelosilveira7079 plus build their career and future as a software engineer

  • @andrejaccon
    @andrejaccon 4 роки тому +38

    no, i dont want to work in big tech, i would like build a big tech !

  • @dbonboard
    @dbonboard 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent contribution. I work for a corporation and I cannot agree with you more. The environment is stifling. There is like a company culture that you cannot doubt. It's a like a sort of propaganda that you cannot discuss about it even if it's clear that hurts the business. And if you go against by telling the truth you are a problem to silence.

  • @keyone415
    @keyone415 4 роки тому +6

    1 Year in FAANG will pay off your house in Montreal, just check salaries. Check levels.fyi, a Senior Staff Engineer at FAANG will make around U$600k per year :)

    • @GiuseppeMiragliotta95
      @GiuseppeMiragliotta95 4 роки тому

      What the hell is that? Staff engineer?

    • @keyone415
      @keyone415 4 роки тому +1

      @@GiuseppeMiragliotta95 Senior Staff Engineer is a level you can get after 4 years working with FAANG when you are doing well, usually, you can start around $300k after a couple of years you are getting around $600k.

    • @keyone415
      @keyone415 4 роки тому +1

      @Nick F Yup, $500k is still a hefty compensation. By comparison, the average PHP developer in the USA makes around $86k yearly (www.indeed.com/salaries/php-developer-Salaries)...

    • @xPussySlayerx69420
      @xPussySlayerx69420 4 роки тому

      Kevin Rad literally no one has gotten to senior staff engineer at a FANG with just 4 years of experience, there are only handful of people out of tens of thousands of employees that reach normal staff engineer after 4-5 years, let alone senior staff engineer in the lower bound of those people (4 years ). That role in 4 years would only be a thing at startups where they inflate the roles

    • @keyone415
      @keyone415 4 роки тому

      @@xPussySlayerx69420 I have a friend of mine who did it between 2014 and 2019, from sw engineer all the way up to senior staff engineer. I am sure he is not a isolated case. Just look at some Senior Staff Engineer profiles on LinkedIn you can see the timeline and how long did it took to get there.

  • @again8550
    @again8550 4 роки тому

    I don't know what to say , i am pretty scared to work for google or some big corp because it feels heavy and a lot of responsibility . Working for an startup or doing my own startup feels more nice that working in a corp.

    • @leonbrown59
      @leonbrown59 4 роки тому

      The biggest issue isn't the responsibility, but the politics. Your technical ability will always be limited by the company culture, and in some/many cases will be made impossible through bureaucracy and having to navigate too many people who contradict each other.
      Smaller businesses have less stakeholders, which keeps this type of problem to a minimum. If you want to work on getting real work done, smaller businesses are definitely better

  • @codewithfrenchy
    @codewithfrenchy 4 роки тому

    anyone have the link of the study made by google?

  • @kvelez
    @kvelez Рік тому

    Interesting.

  • @3polygons
    @3polygons 4 роки тому +2

    fangs is playing with the words, like vampire fangs ? Lol, didn't know this one!

    • @Metruzanca
      @Metruzanca 4 роки тому

      Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google. Faangs. Acronym, not a play on words :)

    • @3polygons
      @3polygons 4 роки тому

      @@Metruzanca I was implying it to be both ;)

    • @3polygons
      @3polygons 4 роки тому

      @Peter Mortensen Dunno, maybe due to a certain political/ideological uniformity among those? Not adding MS... maybe because then the vampire (the term has a lot of connection to what some people think about those companies) fang thing wouldn't work... ;). In certain TV show (True Blood, maybe?), don't remember which, they called vampires just "fangs".
      Otherwise the group is pretty random, yep. There are several other major players.

  • @lmao6
    @lmao6 4 роки тому +1

    Going from big to small seems to be much easier to transition than small to big.
    I would say it’s NOT a bad milestone to have in your career, just shouldn’t be the ultimate goal.

  • @BruceChastain
    @BruceChastain 4 роки тому +2

    I'm totally not interested in the FAANG world. It's always been my way to succeed doing something different than what everyone else is going for. I currently do work in the IT department for a big corporation, but far aways from FAANG.

  • @chiquitocastaneda2851
    @chiquitocastaneda2851 4 роки тому +14

    Stefan thank you for the video, I don't want to work for the Faangs I want to be like you and be an entreupenuer... Chiquito...

  • @yakpsipahi2599
    @yakpsipahi2599 4 роки тому

    thank you

  • @MidniteSon
    @MidniteSon 4 роки тому

    TC will be the highest with FAANG though because of their equity payouts.

  • @chrischristopher7102
    @chrischristopher7102 4 роки тому +2

    FAANGS in your resume opens a lot of doors for higher paying jobs.

  • @rileydavidjesus
    @rileydavidjesus 4 роки тому +1

    I just applied to Facebook on Sunday lol.

  • @Mickey_McD
    @Mickey_McD 4 роки тому

    It's all about that free food from the gourmet company cafeterias at the FAANG companies.

  • @andreasmuller6365
    @andreasmuller6365 4 роки тому +3

    I think nowadays the resume thing is overrated. Sure, having a FANG on the resume is nice, but in this current job market, with this demand? You just need to have had some developer job for a few years, then you can do whatever you want. It's really that tight right now, at least in my experience. Unless you're actually interested in what the FANG is doing (AI with Google for example), a normal dev job will probably teach you just as much and look just as good on the resume.

  • @HeavenSevenWorld
    @HeavenSevenWorld 4 роки тому +5

    Applying to FANG is really not recommended from the perspective of this channel - they require a basic knowledge of algorithm during the interview process ;)

  • @Neolisk
    @Neolisk 4 роки тому +1

    While it's true that you get lots of exposure to various stacks in a small company, you don't necessarily get to develop a transferable coding skill. Being able to write a 1000 lines of good working code without bugs is one thing, but scaling that to a 10000000 lines while maintaining code quality is a totally different beast. Because you either can rewrite all your bugs in a few days, or you cannot, because it would take decades.
    Throughout my career I've met talented developers with 20+ years of experience who _never_ discovered the foundation for enterprise level maintainable code (I'm 31 btw). Things like allowing non-important code to be of low quality, because it doesn't matter. Having core/framework very simple. Knowing pros and cons of the framework (Typescript has types, but don't use them as much as you would in .NET), writing code in a way it was intended to be written by creators (try not to reinvent the wheel). Finally, not taking code to its limits and then saying - "but see it works, I must be genius" (and then it all collapses into gazillion of bugs a few days/weeks later). In my opinion, you only can get those by working on codebases larger than 1M LOC, so there is a hidden benefit of working for those fangs after all.

  • @jomesias
    @jomesias 4 роки тому +1

    Ggl saying graduated and junior devs produce the same quality results is purely motivated towards standardizing and reducing their pay (and therefor ggl costs to increase profits). Think about it, would you trust your mechanic work to a junior without much experience? I wouldn’t!
    That being said, we haven’t even talked about the dumb a$$ exams you will need to study for and pass. They do not measure experience, they are focused on testing your skills under pressure (with the 2 hour limit you have) and does not take experience into account.
    I’ve worked on the banking industry for 12 years and those tests ask questions that I’ve never run into (build a syntax checker for a language for example). Meanwhile I’ve been in charge of the banking and payroll core.
    You’ll have to spend time and money just to study for those types of exams. If it starts looking like a club, that’s because it is!
    And after you get in, you’ll eventually have that “are we the baddies?” epiphany. Just look at snow den!

  • @Qyn06
    @Qyn06 4 роки тому +4

    Solid advice as always. Personally, I've never seen the appeal in working for a huge corporation. I get that it might be a good experience to have, but for long term I'm not so sure. Some of these companies might expect you to put in 60+ hours per week. To me that's just too much work done for someone else. It's different when you have your own business, when all the hours you put in might benefit your business exponentially. When you bust your ass for your employer, the best you can hope for is overtime pay and a good word.
    As far as job security goes, you and your work contribution will be much more valuable to small or medium sized company. To a corporation all you are is a number on a spreadsheet and there's always someone in line to take your place.

  • @james-ob9rz
    @james-ob9rz 4 роки тому +2

    Tzu the art of war. Know Thy enemy

  • @elderofzion
    @elderofzion 4 роки тому

    the golden faang

  • @micosair
    @micosair 4 роки тому

    If you don`t want to work for CORP INC just get your skill up to par to get in and quit after 3 or 6 months ;there, you have the big words on the CV to help you.

  • @Soulixs
    @Soulixs 4 роки тому

    Dat TC though

  • @constantinkwiatkowski1940
    @constantinkwiatkowski1940 4 роки тому

    I've been working for huge companies. It's true the red tape is annoying and dealing with costs so much of my work time. On the other hand, working for at big company has few advantages. 1. Payment is quite good 2. Access to a big network 3. Working for projects that affect so many people 4. Financial support to develop your career 5. Soft skills In my opinion having a degree matters since I have been worked with people that have different backgrounds. I prefer to work with people that have degree in natural science. Those people resolve problems and aren't so stress at the same time. Specially, guys with computer science background may be good programmers however they are terriable in resolving problems. Why? They go step forward very fast but then they have to go two steps back after to resolve the next problem because they didn't take so much time to analyze the issue properly.

  • @jaronmartin5758
    @jaronmartin5758 4 роки тому

    I liked working for Google for two weeks with all the perks. After that reality set in. My job was contract and they got rid of us all after a few months, no notice just well we want to hire direct. Well why did they not do that in the first place then? Company that size I have no interest ever again and for the most part working for a non IT company doing IT is so much more rewarding.

  • @secondaccount5196
    @secondaccount5196 4 роки тому

    Where is M, Microsoft ?

    • @A2Kaid
      @A2Kaid 3 роки тому

      Microsoft although a solid tech company they are not in the same league as FAANG

    • @A2Kaid
      @A2Kaid 3 роки тому

      @@matiasmiller6119 I’m dead serious Microsoft, is not in the same league as Google, FB, Apple, in terms of places people want to work. Microsoft’s hiring bar is also lower than FB and Google.
      I actually would know because I work in FAANG.

  • @gmt8336
    @gmt8336 Рік тому

    It’s like you saw the future !!

  • @TKnuckles333
    @TKnuckles333 4 роки тому

    Work wherever you’re most happy and fulfilled. If you can get up in the morning, and look forward to the day, you’re doing something smart. If you’re just attracted to the money, you’ll probably regret it later, when you’re old and can’t take a shit, but you have lots of money and memories of a corporate office.

  • @chiquitocastaneda2851
    @chiquitocastaneda2851 4 роки тому +3

    First Stefan, Chiquito...

  • @DanEllis
    @DanEllis 4 роки тому +15

    I think you're making corporations sound worse than they are and startups sounds better than they are. I work for a giant corporation, and it's probably the best job I've had. It's great to work with so many really smart people.

    • @actionphotopassion5082
      @actionphotopassion5082 4 роки тому

      I'd say, it depends of the project and one's position in the project...

  • @viruslab1
    @viruslab1 4 роки тому +2

    In big corporation allways less free-will

  • @MauriceLacerda0
    @MauriceLacerda0 4 роки тому +9

    I've been working in large corporations for 15y+, and honestly, one of the reasons I started coding in the recent years was that I wanted to get the hell out of that environment and become a freelancer.

    • @Sriramlivz
      @Sriramlivz 4 роки тому +1

      I already did🤣 a year ago

    • @mahmud-ahsan
      @mahmud-ahsan 4 роки тому

      Great initiative

    • @MauriceLacerda0
      @MauriceLacerda0 4 роки тому +1

      ​@Peter Mortensen I no longer wanted to cope with office politics and toxic managers

  • @gerardgauthier4876
    @gerardgauthier4876 4 роки тому +7

    A topic I'd like to see covered... The myths of functional programming revealed.. There is so much BS circling functional programming today that its starting to take on the same epic notions of OOP in the 90's.
    OOP and functional programming are just bookkeeping methods. They are just ways to add sanity to problem solving with programming.. Neither are best or complete ways to think about programming.
    Disclaimer: I love functional programming but I can't stand the mythical side of functional programming that's starting to mimic OOP of the 90's.

    • @caw25sha
      @caw25sha 4 роки тому

      The "traditional" OOP languages were OOP only, C++, C# etc but languages like Python and JS show that OOP can be just another features of a language to use or not as you see fit
      Functional-only languages are the equivalent of C++ and it's descendants and are therefore too restrictive. Many other languages now incorporate some sort of functional ability but do not enforce it.
      It's a tool, not an entire toolkit.

    • @gerardgauthier4876
      @gerardgauthier4876 4 роки тому +1

      @@caw25sha You think C++ was OOP only?? C++ was always multi-paradigm. C++ was never a big enforcer of OOP principles, just look at its standard library which doesn't embrace encapsulation.

    • @caw25sha
      @caw25sha 4 роки тому +1

      @@gerardgauthier4876 Yes you are right of course. Wasn't thinking straight! C++ is a superset of C so can be used as a purely procedural language if you wish.

  • @iuripires7285
    @iuripires7285 3 роки тому

    I got your thoughts. But the thing is, some of us does not care if we gonna have tons of work, or how much a smaller company can pay for our work. Actually, there's a bunch out there that pays well. Some of us, wants to get in those companies cuz we love to challenge ourself and love to impact the others lifes. Working at Google for exemple, would be great for myself for a couple of reasons: Well-payed job, fast-paced place, impacts billions of people, is hard to get in, it's prestigious. After you work for those giant companies, you might be able to work for any other company in the world. They will HIRE you not for the name Google on your CV but becaause you got there, you're the 1% top coders in the world.

  • @Bm23CC
    @Bm23CC 4 роки тому +2

    Worked in three fortune 500 companies and believe me its a load of bollocks. The games the politics and the bullshit is unbearable.

  • @beverlyHillsAgent
    @beverlyHillsAgent 2 роки тому +1

    At the end, a job is just a job. It doesn't define your life and who you are.

  • @RamonChiNangWong078
    @RamonChiNangWong078 4 роки тому +2

    There's couples of thing I Hate and can't stand.
    Corporate Cultures, Bureaucracy, PC and inclusivity culture
    I rather do Freelancing -> Start-up -> Mid size

  • @markkuuss
    @markkuuss 4 роки тому +2

    The TV show Silicon Valley is watched by a lot of Millennial and it gives and romanticized view about the FAANGS

  • @deitodaten
    @deitodaten 4 роки тому +2

    I do not want too. Sorry FAANGS...

  • @mayank_upadhyay_19
    @mayank_upadhyay_19 4 роки тому +1

    🙂

  • @elmetkelem7524
    @elmetkelem7524 3 роки тому

    Not for a million 😊 I have respect for my vocation

  • @nasrt
    @nasrt 4 роки тому

    I know what you are talking I will not complete the content. The job security sucks man, it for those who are just so scary for everything. And it smells kind of... what should I say?
    Okay like your style. And ...k the corporate lifestyle.
    God blase you. :)

  • @Octovisuals
    @Octovisuals 3 роки тому +1

    When will people stop using _FAANG_ instead of _FAAMG_ or something? Microsoft (MSFT) is much bigger than Netflix by market cap, actual value, importance, revenue... Has been for years already, and still people is stuck with that.
    Also, the last _s_ for the plural shouldn't be capital at all - it's not part of the acronym. Mind your language!

  • @afbanales
    @afbanales 4 роки тому

    Netflix

  • @kayoscreed
    @kayoscreed 4 роки тому +3

    i'd rather stick with a start-up 👍

    • @hacker-7214
      @hacker-7214 4 роки тому

      Not me haha

    • @yuricherkasov
      @yuricherkasov 4 роки тому +2

      Fed up with startups. Overtimes, no process, shitty infrastructure. Never again.

  • @leonbrown59
    @leonbrown59 4 роки тому +1

    There's no n in your thumbnail, which makes your acronym sound like a bad word. ;)

  • @ProgrammingwithPeter
    @ProgrammingwithPeter 4 роки тому

    I don't find myself working for any corporate company, even if it is more stable (like you said there are cuts everywhere) but I'm way too ambitious to work in a company where it's actually quite hard to advance. And the thing is corporate is killing the fun in programming...

    • @silversolver7809
      @silversolver7809 4 роки тому +1

      "I'm way too ambitious to work in a company where it's actually quite hard to advance"
      That's the main reason to work for a FANG or 2 in your 20s imo, to have valuable ammo in your CV for later so you can climb the ladder at a medium company which allows some time to have a life.

    • @ProgrammingwithPeter
      @ProgrammingwithPeter 4 роки тому +1

      @@silversolver7809 the thing is that on corporate companies as a junior you don't do much in terms of development, you will learn less since you are not asked to do harder tasks. I find that on all stages small to medium companies are the best as long as the salary is up to par with the fangs,since we are working for the money.

    • @silversolver7809
      @silversolver7809 4 роки тому +1

      @@ProgrammingwithPeter Yes, I agree. But FANG in your resume will impress most HR depts and therefore probably grease the rungs of the corporate ladder.
      Hmm, greasy rungs are probably not the best analogy for successful climbing … gotta work on that ☺

    • @ProgrammingwithPeter
      @ProgrammingwithPeter 4 роки тому

      @@silversolver7809 you might be right, but this can't be decided by 2 people, someone should make a public quiz on that and state their opinion, but in the end what matters is what you know to do!

  • @sakhilenkomo6073
    @sakhilenkomo6073 4 роки тому

    Man did I read this title wrong lol...

  • @johndough8699
    @johndough8699 4 роки тому +1

    Without watching -No. I don’t want to work there.

  • @tonybp
    @tonybp 4 роки тому +1

    I hated working for a huge company, especially with the routine group dynamics, the ra ra ra gatherings, and all the annoying bureaucracy.

    • @Keggplant
      @Keggplant 4 роки тому

      I'm at a startup and we get ra ra ra as well. A positive perspective is sometimes a self-fulfilling prophecy

    • @tonybp
      @tonybp 4 роки тому

      @@Keggplant I can see it working for a startup or small business with a small group where you know each other well, but in a corporate the ra ra ra would get so diluted it would just be a meaningless annoyance.

    • @A2Kaid
      @A2Kaid 3 роки тому

      Working at any huge company is not the same as working at a FAANG

  • @datkumar1024
    @datkumar1024 4 роки тому

    He kinda looks and sounds like Nicholas Cage

  • @orlovskyconsultinggbr2849
    @orlovskyconsultinggbr2849 4 роки тому

    Only one company is interesting to work in it is Lockheed Martin, because of black projects and physics research and development which Lockheed does, other companies not interesting in my point of view.

    • @StefanMischook
      @StefanMischook  4 роки тому

      You know where you want to go .... cool!

    • @googleskype4043
      @googleskype4043 4 роки тому

      Too bad you get $100k for building planes and $450k for writing web service backends at FAAG companies.

  • @johndough8699
    @johndough8699 4 роки тому

    I suspect working for them is like working for game companies. Devs think it will be super fun, but they are most often low-paid sweat shops.
    I’ll pass.

    • @JustinWo
      @JustinWo 4 роки тому

      John Dough in my experience startups grind you much harder...

  • @rileydavidjesus
    @rileydavidjesus 4 роки тому +1

    I came from the Army and I love that corporate shit. It make it really easy to find yourself at the top.

  • @hepthegreat4005
    @hepthegreat4005 4 роки тому

    Aggressive no.

  • @damindadineshimaduwagamage9044
    @damindadineshimaduwagamage9044 4 роки тому

    Job security is a joke, esp, in cooperative America. There is also no sense of family. I know a guy worked for Coca Cola for 28 years. One day, He came to work just like any other day. Then, only he realized, the company lay him off
    . Remember, he spent almost 1/4 of his life at this company. No emotions in Cooperative America. I think entrepreneurship is the way to go.

  • @solarisdarcos558
    @solarisdarcos558 4 роки тому

    The Google study doesn't give that much of an insight, because if you were to compare the performance of employees with higher education with those who don't have it you have to consider that to be hired without education you have to be rockstar whereas you could get away with being average if you're an Ivy league graduate, so basically the study is comparing top of the line non graduate employees with regular graduate employees.

  • @CyberAbyss007
    @CyberAbyss007 4 роки тому

    Stay away from FANGs. There are lots of industries out there that all need domain driven design. I'm in health care. There are so many and the work is far more meaningful.

  • @JM-gz1ej
    @JM-gz1ej 4 роки тому

    simply put it, I dont