I work for a small company in a lead role where i get absolute freedom of tech and a vested interest in the company. Its rare to find a fellow engineer with the same mindset as myself. Youve hit the nail on the head mate. I also find with the aspiring devs who are focused on these huge companies to be some of the worst and who only care about the status of the job and not the actual job it self.
I have the exact same situation, the only thing I don't love is a lack of more experienced mentors but it makes you care about the job so much more. Hope you're still going strong with it.
I'm also quite uncomfortable with the obsession around working at fang. The same way that in entrepreneurship, getting VC money used to be glamourous and now the mindset on that has really shifted, we need to also realize that working for these companies shouldn't necessarily be a goal in itself. Thanks for making a video on this topic 🙌🏻
@MikeProductions1000 google and apple started from a warehouse. Every big tech starts somewhere. I just want to say your dream should not be of labour but owner.
This is insanely late but I want to work an easy (non-stressful) remote job that doesn't take too much time but pays well because I'll have experience. This way, I can focus on something I'm more passionate about. Don't get me wrong, I like coding, but I'm not obsessed with it. As a job, it's comfortable but challenging in it's own way but it doesn't have any social ties that I wish it had. Why people have their lives based off of software is beyond me when there's so much more to life than writing code for a company that sees you as replaceable. Work for an easier company, get paid a little less, and be happier.
You'll never know how it is until the moment you experience it. I had the same thoughts of you before I joined a major company here in my country, the one that everybody dreams of working at, and being there I confirmed most of my assumptions, similar to yours, but on the other side I learned so much stuff I didn't even know existed, both technical and no technical knowledge. Now I moved to a smaller company because it fits better with my life, but I'm extremely glad I had that experience, both nice and not so nice stuff I experienced there are things that definitely shaped my career as a professional. To anyone who is starting his/her career, if you read this, I'm not trying to deny what Ben says, but if you have the chance, don't close to it. You can have assumptions and experiences from others, but small, middle, large companies, or even having your own, they all have different dynamics and rich room to anyone to take key lessons from them. Be open to experience it all, you'll ve glad for it later in your career.
I think just don't be tunnel vision is the one advice I took from Ben's video. If a company gives me growth and sufficient compensation, I'll take it. Faang or not.
@@giangta1655 I would be more convinced if he actually worked for any of the FAANG and then quit. From what I hear, FAANG (I'm in the UK) actually seems to give more freedom to the developers than what he describes and they have much more impact. It also helps that ex-FAANG gives you much more prestiege than Bank of America for example. I'll let you be a judge (feel free to take a look at his LinkedIn profile)
I mean FAANG experience is great...but the truth of matter is you don't need to work at a FAANG to get comparable experience. I'm sure whatever you learned at the FAANG you worked at you could've just as well either learned it yourself, or at another company. And there are plenty of companies where you can have freedom of development. I've worked at two now where I had freedom to solve problems whichever way I saw fit...as long as I didn't negatively effect the existing codebase.
@@pulga961 don't spread misinformation just because you don't like someone. Call up the Google and Facebook HR to verify if you're full of doubts yourself
Love your videos man, great stuff. I've been a software engineer for over 20 years across a bunch of languages and stacks. After a while it becomes a living, not so much an art. If you want to chase the title and the pay, do it, but you probably won't love the work you do. If you want to love the work you do, do it, but you might not be getting the bigger house or flashy car (that's not always a bad thing). Put marriage and kids on top later in life and you'll realise you simply don't have infinite time to learn everything, only the stuff that will help you survive. That's a skill the young guys aren't taking about, but they will. Good luck!
Wow it's so uplifting to hear other people going through and thinking about the same problems, I was starting to feel frustratedly alone. This video really picked my up, much love!
Dude you the real goat I remember watching your videos a while ago preparing for interviews. Will always come back to your channel if I need help with leet code.
I didn’t know you were a fellow austinite! I totally agree with everything you said. It’s so easy to get caught up in the fantasy of working for FAANG - especially the financial aspect - but instead I work for a healthcare company and actually feel like my contributions mean something.
Spitfire don’t worry I know nothing about frontend I watch Ben and Travesy to stay up to date on frontend tech. I am way comfortable staying on the backend 😅
@@hnasr I'm just kidding, my friend 😉 Ben is a real master, especially in terms of Graphql. He helped me a lot. Just like you did with db architecture and other topics of software engineering.
"It's demotivating when the amount of work you put in is not correlated to what you get back" - YUPPP. I also think it's especially frustrating with our skillset because we can create the next big thing but lose the time and energy to do it when we work for a company.
I think we need change in work culture and process. If I were to start company today I would make sure employees care about enjoying stuff we do instead of being puppet of manager. I would give paid vacations not to attract but to give peace of mind, freedom to enjoy time be creative. My dad work really like machine weekends off then back to work just couple leaves in years and I hate it because I see how much important is having personal time. These companies absolutely don't respect it. I hope for a future where employees would join based on vision of future of humanity than the sole reason to survive.
Nice honest video Ben. Love your attitude!! Common path is startup after working at FAANG after learning best practises, building production grade systems and the mentorship You're skipping that step entirely means you're ahead of the game.
My favorite part: "I would much rather be the Noob in charge, making those bad decisions." This really resonated with me. From my experiences, people make bad decisions all the time. Or, worse, don't want to make the wrong decisions, so they end up not making any decisions at all. However, when these bad decisions are made, many people won't own them. They point fingers, make excuses, and find scapegoats. The cycle continues and crap products are the result. Thanks for this video.
I've worked at a start-up before with very young founders (like 3 YoE). It was an absolute nightmare. It really made me realize how good it is to have seasoned veterans at the helm and solid infrastructure around me.
I would love to get more videos about your business and what goes on there exactly. I’m in a similar situation couple years behind :) Great vid, cheers!
There are many career paths to follow. The most important thing is to recognize what really drives you, just as you did. I have some hard time thinking about launching a product. I actually prefere the idea of joining a company that can give me resources to build their products. To not follow on this underpayed trap, I prefere to set deals per contract
5:17 dude...... DUDE you have no idea how deep this spoke to me man. I saved my company over 150k with my app and was still being paid just above minimum wage at the time.... and this was the largest retail store in the US, and all I got was a pat on the back and a baseline salary job starting at 60k. I never realized that the burnout/demoralization really did start that early. I’ve been with them for years now and I’ve really struggled with burnout and motivation as a result.
im in the same boat! I have been laying low and doing QA-Automation for smaller companies, enough money to get by and enough free time for all my side projects
I think that one of things young people simply dont appreciate enough about FANG companies is the experience and lessons learned that you can just consume without effort. There is no compression algorithm for experience. And now multiply that by thousands of engineers. By working at FANG you do have a chance to tap into that knowledge, learn from what didn't work and experience that velocity of improvement powered by loads of smart humans. TLDR: there are far better things than free food at FANG
I work on a team at a FAANG with multiple coworkers with PHDs and senior and principal engineers who super smart and have been doing this stuff forever. I am learning way more than I did at my previous small company job. Hopefully the next job hop is easier for me too because I have the name on my resume now. I think it’s worth it.
"Successful" products at FAANG must have much larger revenue streams which means it solves more general problems. This leave a lot of niche markets, especially small and mid-sized B2B, open to the rest of us.
this is gold lol... it's crazy starting my engineering career in college first year i wanted to be at google and then i realized i didn't want to be at such a huge company where i'd just be another programmer. I'd rather start my own company or just work at smaller to midlevel companies until i could go off on my own
I have quite a few friends at FAANG and honestly they aren't anything remarkably special compared to Ben. All it takes is grinding leetcode. What Ben is doing is far more rewarding/fulfilling than being a FAANG-bot and it's why I respect him. Takes more balls to start your own company than be a leetcode/FAANG drone.
Ok, it's official. You have the best developer channel out there. I love how you approached the topic. 99% humor, and then pointing out some good personal reasons why you, and anyone else, shouldn't be FAANG obsessed. I'm in the same boat. Why use it as a stepping stone when it's not where I want to be, and it doesn't help me reach my real goals.
I actually gave an interview at Amazon. I got to the last technical round but didn't get accepted. My mistake? As far as i know, i wasn't able to fully solve one question out of the 3 they asked in the last round. It was then i realized..that i don't want to be in a company that judges someone's skill level like a robot. Got a job offer from a startup soon after that for a similar take-home package. It was my first startup and the best decision. Learning so much and so fast everyday. I don't think any FAANG company could give a learning experience like a startup does. Also, i have met much smarter people at this startup than i think i would meet at a FAANG company.
Even if you did solve all three problems, they would pigeon-hole you just like a robot. You would never truly move above the level that you were brought in at. Meanwhile, someone with far less technical skills but better people/networking skills will zoom ahead of you into upper management with much, much higher pay.
@@edmundob.guevarra9565 The most successful person ($500K/yr) in my former field graduated with a degree in drama and psychology. It was a technical field, and he was among the least technically capable people that I've ever worked with.
"Best way I could prepare for starting a business is by starting a business" - I whole-heartedly agree with that, as someone who works as a SE in big tech, working at a big tech company definitely has its perks in terms of learning enterprise programming, constant exposure to new technologies and frameworks, but the most I've learnt for development and business was by creating one myself. It's important to remember a software/SAAS company requires many more skills than just the development; I've found myself spending extensive time within marketing, ux design, networking, PR and more. While big tech can teach you how to code, it cant teach you these other lessons - you have to venture for yourself (and read some books)
Unless you're in a country where running a business is really expensive. Like, pay the amount of money I spend on rent in taxes, regardless of whether you made any money expensive.
Well, the problem is that you're working more than you should and then expecting something good in return, basically you were asked to do 100% and you delivered 200% and expected 200% of your salary instead of 100%. If your employer asks you to do more than what you were hired to do, leave that company, that's a toxic company. You were hired to do a job, do that job, claim your pay, and go home and work for side hassle that actually improves your skills and pays you in return. No need to do more than what you should be doing.
This comes down to having your values in place which have allowed you to make some really good decisions. A lot of us don't take the time to understand what's important to us as reflection requires time. It's just easier to go down the beaten path.
I am in my graduation and all my friends are like they have just one goal to work in faang. I have same thoughts like yours. Sometimes i feel i am an idiot who is not faang sexual but now i know its ok not to be a faang sexual. I have my goals just like yours and i am happy with them. Thank you for the motivation 😌
I just graduated and have been applying places. The crazy part is, when I started studying, I didn't expect to find so many FAANG-sexuals (as you put it, I'm stealing it) as there are. I started learning to make sure I didn't end up poor like I was growing up. That's it. I never cared about getting into Google. I've even seen people on r/cscareeradvice say that 80k was low for an entry level position. And it makes you think... do they think FAANG is the bare minimum? Do they not realize that 80k to start for a lot of people, especially people like me just trying to be OK, is actually pretty decent and also completely normal in the industry that they're trying to get into?
It's been a long time since you've posted this, did you end up finding a good place to work at? As someone who's also looking now, I'm genuinely curious.
Am a CS student and this is the first time i watch your videos and MAN you just read my mind word for word! i'd rather do something that i enjoy and earn less or run my company and fai than to have more money and feel that my job is meaningless, count down the hours to go home or count down the days until the weekendl!It's really great to find someone whos not toxic and narcissistic on the tech YT.
I saw the Software Engineering "Best Practices" video and I instantly subscribed, now I can't stop watching your videos. Good content and btw your code jokes are hilarious xd
Late to the video but, here's my 2 cents. My background was 6 years in the food industry, most I ever made was $11 an hour after taxes. Went to school for CS, got my degree along with tons of solo/team projects on my resume, my first job pertaining to CS was a simple web dev gig for a local business in my hometown making $24 an hour. Yes FAANG would be amazing, but even the bottom of the barrel in this industry is far, far better than what it could be. I would be entirely grateful to even make minimum wage doing what I love (game dev), thankfully it's a beast of a salary instead
I like how he singled out Google in the beginning as his least preferred option, and then towards the end he was mostly talking about how he was considering Google (mentioned by name) There might be more than meets the eye :p
Totally agree about noobs in charge. It gets to the point where people who have zero understanding of software development get to be in charge of whole projects. HOW??
It's slow as fuck, mobile apps that use it and are complex run like ass. And to top it all off it has no backwards compatability. And then dependency injection, two way data binding, complicated debugging, and scope inheritance.
Agular 2+ (not really sure what's different in JS version) is one of the most robust frameworks imo. It's true it is not beginner friendly but once you overcome that part it becomes so satisfying.
Ben... awesome channel, you're the man-for real! Question.. can you do a video about your preferred design patterns/file structure for a large source code base? Very much appreciated! Keep up all the great work!
Well said Ben. I can relate to all that you said. I have to work at a company to pay my bills. I would anyday prefer to have my own company/start an entrepreneurship. Sometimes working for big company sucks out your desire to do learn/do something different.
I understand you. I feel more motivated to work at Financial Companies as Banks because I like coding for those purposes. I would be happier working at a big Financial company than in a FAANG.
Is love a coding job where I can code on my own schedule, that’d be awesome. But I’m also down for those 3 days a week type of jobs where I’d be free to work on my own projects too
This video is a godsend, it confirms a lot of what I thought. Folks do put FAANG on a ridiculous pedestal. FAANG does pay the highest salaries, but there are plenty of companies that can pay almost as much or a pretty good amount. People need to remember that FAANG companies are billion-dollar companies, so they have the capacity to pay engineers high salaries, however, they can also be very rigid and strict in how they do things. For example, Netflix is opposed to remote work despite paying the highest salaries. Working at FAANG can feel like having a rich but strict parent whereas smaller companies may not pay as much, but you have more freedom and flexibility. Also the most interesting challenges are not necessarily at FAANG, which is another misconception. Like he said in the video, there are plenty of companies working on interesting things.
Dude you’re funny af. First It was the FAANG sexual comment then It was the “bro... Audrey is right there”. You deserved the like and subscription lmao.
I never really cared about FAANG either. I love how no one ever talks about Microsoft. The true tech giant. The reality is you are likely not the best dev in any large company. You don’t have enough experience.
Amen bro. Wouldn't touch one of those companies with a ten foot pole! Working on my first freelance app right now that'll hopefully be a springboard into a self-managed career.
this kind of talk resonates with me, and i dont work in tech, i work in other big companies and what you describe can be easily ported over. Im not so lucky, i decided to work for that particular company and my soul got grayed, if that makes sense. DONT GO WORK FOR THE BIG COMPANIES IF THEY DONT OFFER YOU WHAT YOU NEED and YOU ARE NOT THEIR TYPE OF EMPLOYEE!!!
@@tonskreee6213 I honestly think that he can pass the interview...I think that its just the point. Their asking you to complete a task that has nothing to do with your day to day work.
@@jonbee5782 Look at his pathetic coding interview performance trying to invert a linked list. This guy can't pass the coding test, and he's complaining about technical interviews...
Ben: *Thinking about making a video*
Angular: *Fear Sweating*
Framework; because JS isn't slow enough as it is.
@@answervalidargumentsonly1850 Slow... Good joke. Honestly if your code is slow then you are just bad at writing fast code. No matter the language.
@Vizman216 vomit on his sweater already
@@AbhishekBM Eminem in comment section🤣
@@philheathslegalteam Good luck writing 'fast' code in Python
1:42 "It is a huge turn-off when I see the company do so many things just to make the world a worse place: most notably, create Angular JS". LOL
I was thinking he was going to talk about Google’s new deals with the U.S. defense and intelligence agencies.
It's like saying, we could have directly evolved into a human from an ape.
Angular 1 wasn't that terrible... Angular 2 however, but it seems like Magento is taking the same footsteps
@@shishirarora8808 wtf are you talking about
This mans Angular stabs are legendary
They are angled.
Lol he didn’t know what he was talking about
😂
As a someone who hasn’t even graduated highschool yet, may I ask what this “Angular” is?
@@Marstio1 It's what they use in software dev companies to punish developers who messed up. It's a demotion, a step below the janitors position.
Netflix needs to give Ben a comedy special 😂
Yes
my man! learned wordpress thanks to you.. Luv you man!
Will he be considered ex-Netflixer then 🤔
I work at Google (as a janitor) so clearly I'm a big deal.
even though StackOverflow adaptation for comedy with Ben will work
Ben: *wakes up*
Angular: “oh sh** here we go again”
🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣
As a 3 year full time angular developer, this is hilarious.
Hi I'm new here, may I ask why does he dislike Angular so much?
@@superharryboy Because angular makes everything in the front-end development worst?
I work for a small company in a lead role where i get absolute freedom of tech and a vested interest in the company. Its rare to find a fellow engineer with the same mindset as myself. Youve hit the nail on the head mate. I also find with the aspiring devs who are focused on these huge companies to be some of the worst and who only care about the status of the job and not the actual job it self.
I have the exact same situation, the only thing I don't love is a lack of more experienced mentors but it makes you care about the job so much more. Hope you're still going strong with it.
Ben : Doesn't say Ex googler, Ex Faceooker
TechLead : 👀
:D
that's what I am just about to say!
I see his face 🤣, techlead
Ex millionaire , ex husband , 😐😐
Shots fired!
Ironic part is to see a Algoexpert ad the end ,
"Do you want to be a software engineer at Google"
Me - Yeah , I mean I wanted to , but not sure now
I'm also quite uncomfortable with the obsession around working at fang. The same way that in entrepreneurship, getting VC money used to be glamourous and now the mindset on that has really shifted, we need to also realize that working for these companies shouldn't necessarily be a goal in itself. Thanks for making a video on this topic 🙌🏻
it's a big tech company, I'd like to work there
@@axea4554 why you dont want to start your big tech company instead of working in there 🤔
But that cheddar tho...
@MikeProductions1000 google and apple started from a warehouse. Every big tech starts somewhere. I just want to say your dream should not be of labour but owner.
@@newgamesaga What if the person doesn't want to
This is insanely late but I want to work an easy (non-stressful) remote job that doesn't take too much time but pays well because I'll have experience. This way, I can focus on something I'm more passionate about.
Don't get me wrong, I like coding, but I'm not obsessed with it. As a job, it's comfortable but challenging in it's own way but it doesn't have any social ties that I wish it had. Why people have their lives based off of software is beyond me when there's so much more to life than writing code for a company that sees you as replaceable. Work for an easier company, get paid a little less, and be happier.
You'll never know how it is until the moment you experience it. I had the same thoughts of you before I joined a major company here in my country, the one that everybody dreams of working at, and being there I confirmed most of my assumptions, similar to yours, but on the other side I learned so much stuff I didn't even know existed, both technical and no technical knowledge. Now I moved to a smaller company because it fits better with my life, but I'm extremely glad I had that experience, both nice and not so nice stuff I experienced there are things that definitely shaped my career as a professional. To anyone who is starting his/her career, if you read this, I'm not trying to deny what Ben says, but if you have the chance, don't close to it. You can have assumptions and experiences from others, but small, middle, large companies, or even having your own, they all have different dynamics and rich room to anyone to take key lessons from them. Be open to experience it all, you'll ve glad for it later in your career.
I think just don't be tunnel vision is the one advice I took from Ben's video. If a company gives me growth and sufficient compensation, I'll take it. Faang or not.
100% agree. The experience you’ll gain at a larger company is hard to recreate elsewhere!
@@giangta1655 I would be more convinced if he actually worked for any of the FAANG and then quit. From what I hear, FAANG (I'm in the UK) actually seems to give more freedom to the developers than what he describes and they have much more impact. It also helps that ex-FAANG gives you much more prestiege than Bank of America for example.
I'll let you be a judge (feel free to take a look at his LinkedIn profile)
I mean FAANG experience is great...but the truth of matter is you don't need to work at a FAANG to get comparable experience.
I'm sure whatever you learned at the FAANG you worked at you could've just as well either learned it yourself, or at another company.
And there are plenty of companies where you can have freedom of development. I've worked at two now where I had freedom to solve problems whichever way I saw fit...as long as I didn't negatively effect the existing codebase.
It's a very cool insight!
"it's a huge turnoff when i see the company do so many things to make the world a worst place. Most notably creating angular js" LMAO
Techlead gonna take up carrot farming after that burn.
As a millionaire
techlead is trashman pretending to be ex google,ex facebook...many people believe him.He has many reasons to lie...
@@pulga961 don't spread misinformation just because you don't like someone. Call up the Google and Facebook HR to verify if you're full of doubts yourself
@@micosair as a self-made millionaire
@@dollarquantums Go watch him. You will become rich.
Conclusion: Audrey‘s fine, Chelsea is overrated
which show?
And angular should burn
Nash's equilibrium...
Most notably, creating *AngularJS* 🤣🤣🤣
Shots fired!
Even the Angular team doesn't like AngularJS 🤣
Love your videos man, great stuff. I've been a software engineer for over 20 years across a bunch of languages and stacks. After a while it becomes a living, not so much an art. If you want to chase the title and the pay, do it, but you probably won't love the work you do. If you want to love the work you do, do it, but you might not be getting the bigger house or flashy car (that's not always a bad thing). Put marriage and kids on top later in life and you'll realise you simply don't have infinite time to learn everything, only the stuff that will help you survive. That's a skill the young guys aren't taking about, but they will. Good luck!
This is becoming a troll channel... And I'm here for it.
Heck yeah
420 likes
???
Maybe look at mine too, that I just started :)
Oh turns out hahaha
Wow it's so uplifting to hear other people going through and thinking about the same problems, I was starting to feel frustratedly alone. This video really picked my up, much love!
Same thoughts bro. I think we should make a community like us so that we will not get frustrated. 🤔
"I'd much rather be the noob in charge."
Ben Awad 2020
Bro, when I graduate I just want to work at A company. Lmao
now we’re even !
Nick is here, still no on recognised, WTF!!
Nick!! Gotcha..
Dude you the real goat I remember watching your videos a while ago preparing for interviews. Will always come back to your channel if I need help with leet code.
xqc notice me
@@gestucvolonor5069 lmao
This is simultaneously some serious information and a whole ass comedy show 😂
Google: say react one more time.
Ben: 😡
facebook needs you
Such humour, much subtle. Wow! The logic is great, thank you for sharing.
Ben: *Mentions carrot farmers*
Angular: *Sobbing uncontrollably*
I didn’t know you were a fellow austinite! I totally agree with everything you said. It’s so easy to get caught up in the fantasy of working for FAANG - especially the financial aspect - but instead I work for a healthcare company and actually feel like my contributions mean something.
omg I didn’t know faang sexuality exists
Hussein. Please stay on your side of stack. We will watch your videos about architecture.
Spitfire don’t worry I know nothing about frontend I watch Ben and Travesy to stay up to date on frontend tech. I am way comfortable staying on the backend 😅
@@hnasr I'm just kidding, my friend 😉 Ben is a real master, especially in terms of Graphql. He helped me a lot. Just like you did with db architecture and other topics of software engineering.
omg Hussein Nasser watches these videos too!
Do Collab with Awad Hussain
"It's demotivating when the amount of work you put in is not correlated to what you get back" - YUPPP. I also think it's especially frustrating with our skillset because we can create the next big thing but lose the time and energy to do it when we work for a company.
I think we need change in work culture and process. If I were to start company today I would make sure employees care about enjoying stuff we do instead of being puppet of manager. I would give paid vacations not to attract but to give peace of mind, freedom to enjoy time be creative. My dad work really like machine weekends off then back to work just couple leaves in years and I hate it because I see how much important is having personal time. These companies absolutely don't respect it. I hope for a future where employees would join based on vision of future of humanity than the sole reason to survive.
@@yashaswikulshreshtha1588 slave system with extra benefits
YES! YES! YES! Give me more of that dry humor! I want more! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn that's cold 😂😂😂
I was gonna like your comment. I see 69. I took my hand off.
*d r y*
Nice honest video Ben. Love your attitude!!
Common path is startup after working at FAANG after learning best practises, building production grade systems and the mentorship
You're skipping that step entirely means you're ahead of the game.
Ex-millionare reference OP
next video he's bringing out the (as an ex-husband) reference
explanation?
@@finfan2101 Referring Tech Lead guy :)
My favorite part: "I would much rather be the Noob in charge, making those bad decisions." This really resonated with me. From my experiences, people make bad decisions all the time. Or, worse, don't want to make the wrong decisions, so they end up not making any decisions at all. However, when these bad decisions are made, many people won't own them. They point fingers, make excuses, and find scapegoats. The cycle continues and crap products are the result. Thanks for this video.
I've worked at a start-up before with very young founders (like 3 YoE). It was an absolute nightmare. It really made me realize how good it is to have seasoned veterans at the helm and solid infrastructure around me.
Agree with the fixed office hour thing, self-employment is the ultimate goal!
Yes mate, self-employment gives more freedom
Next video:
Why I work for FAANG
Basado
I would love to get more videos about your business and what goes on there exactly. I’m in a similar situation couple years behind :)
Great vid, cheers!
There are many career paths to follow. The most important thing is to recognize what really drives you, just as you did. I have some hard time thinking about launching a product. I actually prefere the idea of joining a company that can give me resources to build their products. To not follow on this underpayed trap, I prefere to set deals per contract
1:52 seconds to build up to a classic angular joke
5:17 dude...... DUDE you have no idea how deep this spoke to me man. I saved my company over 150k with my app and was still being paid just above minimum wage at the time.... and this was the largest retail store in the US, and all I got was a pat on the back and a baseline salary job starting at 60k. I never realized that the burnout/demoralization really did start that early. I’ve been with them for years now and I’ve really struggled with burnout and motivation as a result.
im in the same boat! I have been laying low and doing QA-Automation for smaller companies, enough money to get by and enough free time for all my side projects
I think that one of things young people simply dont appreciate enough about FANG companies is the experience and lessons learned that you can just consume without effort. There is no compression algorithm for experience. And now multiply that by thousands of engineers. By working at FANG you do have a chance to tap into that knowledge, learn from what didn't work and experience that velocity of improvement powered by loads of smart humans. TLDR: there are far better things than free food at FANG
I work on a team at a FAANG with multiple coworkers with PHDs and senior and principal engineers who super smart and have been doing this stuff forever. I am learning way more than I did at my previous small company job. Hopefully the next job hop is easier for me too because I have the name on my resume now. I think it’s worth it.
"Successful" products at FAANG must have much larger revenue streams which means it solves more general problems. This leave a lot of niche markets, especially small and mid-sized B2B, open to the rest of us.
this is gold lol... it's crazy starting my engineering career in college first year i wanted to be at google and then i realized i didn't want to be at such a huge company where i'd just be another programmer. I'd rather start my own company or just work at smaller to midlevel companies until i could go off on my own
I have quite a few friends at FAANG and honestly they aren't anything remarkably special compared to Ben.
All it takes is grinding leetcode. What Ben is doing is far more rewarding/fulfilling than being a FAANG-bot and it's why I respect him.
Takes more balls to start your own company than be a leetcode/FAANG drone.
I'm so happy I found you. I was dying within 30 seconds of this
Lmaooo that shots fired at angular
Brave coming-out video. Well done!
damn, that haircut looking fresh!
Ok, it's official. You have the best developer channel out there.
I love how you approached the topic. 99% humor, and then pointing out some good personal reasons why you, and anyone else, shouldn't be FAANG obsessed. I'm in the same boat. Why use it as a stepping stone when it's not where I want to be, and it doesn't help me reach my real goals.
I actually gave an interview at Amazon. I got to the last technical round but didn't get accepted.
My mistake? As far as i know, i wasn't able to fully solve one question out of the 3 they asked in the last round.
It was then i realized..that i don't want to be in a company that judges someone's skill level like a robot. Got a job offer from a startup soon after that for a similar take-home package.
It was my first startup and the best decision. Learning so much and so fast everyday. I don't think any FAANG company could give a learning experience like a startup does.
Also, i have met much smarter people at this startup than i think i would meet at a FAANG company.
Even if you did solve all three problems, they would pigeon-hole you just like a robot. You would never truly move above the level that you were brought in at. Meanwhile, someone with far less technical skills but better people/networking skills will zoom ahead of you into upper management with much, much higher pay.
@@Yavin4"people/networking skills" aka conformity/psychological manipulation skills
@@edmundob.guevarra9565 The most successful person ($500K/yr) in my former field graduated with a degree in drama and psychology. It was a technical field, and he was among the least technically capable people that I've ever worked with.
Your humor is dead pan and subtle. I love it. it is sprinkled all over the place in this video with no hint.
He make AngularJs sound like Angular .
"Best way I could prepare for starting a business is by starting a business" - I whole-heartedly agree with that, as someone who works as a SE in big tech, working at a big tech company definitely has its perks in terms of learning enterprise programming, constant exposure to new technologies and frameworks, but the most I've learnt for development and business was by creating one myself.
It's important to remember a software/SAAS company requires many more skills than just the development; I've found myself spending extensive time within marketing, ux design, networking, PR and more. While big tech can teach you how to code, it cant teach you these other lessons - you have to venture for yourself (and read some books)
Unless you're in a country where running a business is really expensive. Like, pay the amount of money I spend on rent in taxes, regardless of whether you made any money expensive.
Well, the problem is that you're working more than you should and then expecting something good in return, basically you were asked to do 100% and you delivered 200% and expected 200% of your salary instead of 100%.
If your employer asks you to do more than what you were hired to do, leave that company, that's a toxic company. You were hired to do a job, do that job, claim your pay, and go home and work for side hassle that actually improves your skills and pays you in return. No need to do more than what you should be doing.
This comes down to having your values in place which have allowed you to make some really good decisions.
A lot of us don't take the time to understand what's important to us as reflection requires time. It's just easier to go down the beaten path.
Thanks Ben, you always provide good entertainment while actually sparking meaningful and good discussion.
I am in my graduation and all my friends are like they have just one goal to work in faang. I have same thoughts like yours. Sometimes i feel i am an idiot who is not faang sexual but now i know its ok not to be a faang sexual. I have my goals just like yours and i am happy with them. Thank you for the motivation 😌
I just graduated and have been applying places. The crazy part is, when I started studying, I didn't expect to find so many FAANG-sexuals (as you put it, I'm stealing it) as there are. I started learning to make sure I didn't end up poor like I was growing up. That's it. I never cared about getting into Google. I've even seen people on r/cscareeradvice say that 80k was low for an entry level position. And it makes you think... do they think FAANG is the bare minimum? Do they not realize that 80k to start for a lot of people, especially people like me just trying to be OK, is actually pretty decent and also completely normal in the industry that they're trying to get into?
It's been a long time since you've posted this, did you end up finding a good place to work at? As someone who's also looking now, I'm genuinely curious.
Am a CS student and this is the first time i watch your videos and MAN you just read my mind word for word! i'd rather do something that i enjoy and earn less or run my company and fai than to have more money and feel that my job is meaningless, count down the hours to go home or count down the days until the weekendl!It's really great to find someone whos not toxic and narcissistic on the tech YT.
Dude, this video is just great and sums up our industry perfectly 😆
I saw the Software Engineering "Best Practices" video and I instantly subscribed, now I can't stop watching your videos. Good content and btw your code jokes are hilarious xd
"well, the search engine.... "
I feel you, bro!
Late to the video but, here's my 2 cents. My background was 6 years in the food industry, most I ever made was $11 an hour after taxes. Went to school for CS, got my degree along with tons of solo/team projects on my resume, my first job pertaining to CS was a simple web dev gig for a local business in my hometown making $24 an hour. Yes FAANG would be amazing, but even the bottom of the barrel in this industry is far, far better than what it could be. I would be entirely grateful to even make minimum wage doing what I love (game dev), thankfully it's a beast of a salary instead
Yeah, but if you know you can make 70$ an hour, why not? Srsly.
"It's a huge turn off when I see the company do so many things to just make the world a worst place, most notably creating Angular JS." hahahahah
Agree, it is hard to find a boss who will say hey I want this and go make it I don't care what tech you going to use.
"most notably, angular JS"
I like how he singled out Google in the beginning as his least preferred option, and then towards the end he was mostly talking about how he was considering Google (mentioned by name)
There might be more than meets the eye :p
On a related note, I'm not dating Angelina Jolie because she's not really my type. That's totally it.
agreed. me from south Asia, the same reason that's why am not dating Hollywood celebrities.
Guys there are other companies. There are more satisfying things you can do.
This but unironically. 90% of celebrities look ugly to me. Like, uncanny valley ugly.
But there are people who will say Angelina Jolie isn't their type
@@emilyau8023 I would have stayed with Jennifer Aniston
Once in a while yt algorithm suggested a really good content. I like your perspective. Thank you for sharing!
Totally agree about noobs in charge. It gets to the point where people who have zero understanding of software development get to be in charge of whole projects. HOW??
business and politics
I feel like this channel is one big flex.
I used to be MIT-sexual. Serious infatuation. Then I went there, got a degree, and the next five years felt like a walk of shame. During February.
Interesting 😂
Looking back at this a year later, I think you made the right choice ben
As a Richard, I feel attacked
BOOM! Very powerful video. First person that I see with influence talking about FAANG this way. Thanks for this! I feel understood.
When did this hate for angular originate 😂😂
It's slow as fuck, mobile apps that use it and are complex run like ass. And to top it all off it has no backwards compatability. And then dependency injection, two way data binding, complicated debugging, and scope inheritance.
Love your videos, Future TechLead!! Thanks!
Agular 2+ (not really sure what's different in JS version) is one of the most robust frameworks imo. It's true it is not beginner friendly but once you overcome that part it becomes so satisfying.
angular is dead since V2
For some reason you've been popping out in my feed lately. I subscribed thanks to this video.
Ben... awesome channel, you're the man-for real! Question.. can you do a video about your preferred design patterns/file structure for a large source code base? Very much appreciated! Keep up all the great work!
github.com/benawad/destiny
Well said Ben. I can relate to all that you said. I have to work at a company to pay my bills. I would anyday prefer to have my own company/start an entrepreneurship. Sometimes working for big company sucks out your desire to do learn/do something different.
I understand you. I feel more motivated to work at Financial Companies as Banks because I like coding for those purposes. I would be happier working at a big Financial company than in a FAANG.
Your wisdom exceeds your age. In 20 years your soul will still be intact.
So funny, before watching this vid I saw an ad that said "So you wanna be a software engineer at Google?" LOL
Same thoughts over here. Best luck with your journey brother.
Why I don't work at FANG?
A: because they didn't hire me.
Man I've watched two of this dude's videos back-to-back and his deadpan jokes are killing me. Holy shit man
Is love a coding job where I can code on my own schedule, that’d be awesome. But I’m also down for those 3 days a week type of jobs where I’d be free to work on my own projects too
5:09-5:45 exactly man, to the point, this is my current situation right now
I'm confused, is he coming out as a yellow haribo gummy or as not straight?
Damn. I felt like I was alone. Thanks for this video.
5:46 is epic.
This video is a godsend, it confirms a lot of what I thought.
Folks do put FAANG on a ridiculous pedestal.
FAANG does pay the highest salaries, but there are plenty of companies that can pay almost as much or a pretty good amount.
People need to remember that FAANG companies are billion-dollar companies, so they have the capacity to pay engineers high salaries, however, they can also be very rigid and strict in how they do things.
For example, Netflix is opposed to remote work despite paying the highest salaries.
Working at FAANG can feel like having a rich but strict parent whereas smaller companies may not pay as much, but you have more freedom and flexibility.
Also the most interesting challenges are not necessarily at FAANG, which is another misconception. Like he said in the video, there are plenty of companies working on interesting things.
Ben: Uploads video
Me an angular developer: 😬
Dude you’re funny af. First It was the FAANG sexual comment then It was the “bro... Audrey is right there”. You deserved the like and subscription lmao.
I never really cared about FAANG either.
I love how no one ever talks about Microsoft. The true tech giant. The reality is you are likely not the best dev in any large company. You don’t have enough experience.
The term FAANG is such obvious attempt to disregard Microsoft, it's hilarious.
Here's a shocker, no one is.
Amen bro. Wouldn't touch one of those companies with a ten foot pole! Working on my first freelance app right now that'll hopefully be a springboard into a self-managed career.
The irony when he now lives on youtube videos, so basically works for google.
this kind of talk resonates with me, and i dont work in tech, i work in other big companies and what you describe can be easily ported over. Im not so lucky, i decided to work for that particular company and my soul got grayed, if that makes sense. DONT GO WORK FOR THE BIG COMPANIES IF THEY DONT OFFER YOU WHAT YOU NEED and YOU ARE NOT THEIR TYPE OF EMPLOYEE!!!
You're basically just letting us all know that you could work at a fang company if you wanted to.
no he cant pass the interview there thats why hes hating FANG. special snowflake
@@tonskreee6213 I honestly think that he can pass the interview...I think that its just the point. Their asking you to complete a task that has nothing to do with your day to day work.
@@jonbee5782 technically maybe, but on social skills he is gonna have a very real problem.
@@jonbee5782 Look at his pathetic coding interview performance trying to invert a linked list. This guy can't pass the coding test, and he's complaining about technical interviews...
@@0114mercury if you have an inflated ego and poor core skills it's the obvious conclusion: "I'm God and yet I can't pass them, they must be flawed!"
This video aged like a fine wine in a classy dine!