NZXT Player 3 PC... needs a few "fixes"
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Prebuilt PCs are getting closer and closer to the price of building one for yourself, but what about if you don't want to build your own PC? This is where SI's or System Integrators come in! Today I check out the NZXT Player 3 PC... to learn more about NZXT and the Player series PCs, head to nzxt.co/JayPlayerPC
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That single front fan just looks depressing
im currently doing that with 120mm in my 2nd pc haha im all for prebuilts asking if you want fans or not tho, i have stock piled so many fans ive replaced with ones i want lol
not necessarily prebuilts but when i buy cases with preinstalled fans
@@sudorm-doubt True but when you've paid for a 13900kf and a 4080 super...A single front fan is just awful for a pre-built
not even biggest possible size :D (unless my eyes are wrong)
good bye positive pressure
The single front fan on the case is like biting into a burrito and getting nothing but tortilla.
Depressing.
LOL
when that happens, I usually think I took bite from the wrong end, lol
@@kevinerbs2778 don't bite on NZXT is the application of this allegory.
These new cases run pretty cool still with only one fan. You should still definitely spend an extra $40-60 on a few more fans, but I was super surprised how cool my Corsair Airflow 4000D with only one front fan was.
Its actually 2 front fans one is at the front bottom
One front fan for your highest tier pc that is nearing 2500 is crazy.
this is the bottom of their highest tier. i think the top tier price range is 3200.00 which has more fans, i9,4080. price wise you spend 250$ for them building it for you. not too bad.
As configured, its well over 3 grand on their website, so yep marketing doing what marketing does at its finest on display here in this sponsored ad.
Seriously even the h5 elite case comes with no rear fan
My 4090 i7 13700 build costed 2500 WITH 6 FANS
i mean NZXT took years to understand that computers actually need airflow (nzxt H510 for example) so i mean the fact it even has that is pretty amazing.
$2300 and only one intake fan is absurd
All these places charge way over the price for parts than what places like Amazon does.
It's actually specd closer to $3100!! LOL!!
Indeed would like to see 3 intake fans in a build like that. Now its heavily negative pressure and it will be dirty very soon.
on a sponsored video as well
@@ctk4949 nah..
Just to let viewers know, the system they sent Jay is an upgraded version of the base player 3 build. His is gonna run closer to 3000 than the starting 2300.
What a joke of a company. This is an expensive system with high-end components, and they have the audacity to slap a single front fan into it.
NZXT psychologists believe the air has got to want to blow (or) suck fan blades.
Temps were fine with one!
The fan is suggesting where the air should go.
What a joke of a comment to not see that the temps were fine under stress tests and more than one front fan isn't required.
@@Grievous- What a joke of a comment to not see that Jay himself mentioned that with just 1 intake you have negative air pressure which means dirty insides.
Also kinda funny that even the cheapest option aka Player 1 had 2 front fans, and both 2 and 3 versions had 3 fans on photos, so they "stole" 2 fans.
They also sent an upgraded setup that push this into like 3k PC instead of the base 2k3, at which point not giving 3 fans on front even if just for aesthetics sake is kinda a blasphemy.
At least in my eyes.
I started with a Cyberpower PC off the shelf at Best Buy. The only thing left from the original pc is the HDD I use for photos and other files. Upgrading a prebuilt is a great way to slowly introduce yourself to PC building!
If you can handle the 'quality' of a Pre-build.
NZXT's Prebuilt is actuall market parts built together... so it's several levels above any other pre-built.
That is exactly what I did cyberpower pc with a 3070 and i7-12700k and 16 gigs of ram….now she’s got a 4070 ti super and 32 gigs of ram…easy swaps but it’s getting me comfortable working on my pc lol
Dude, there's another group out here. I'm a retired software/computer engineer. I cut my teeth building PCs and systems in the early 90s. (What happened to our roaches. :-) ) Anyway, I had to retire early partly due to arthritis, tendinitis, and some other itis's. My hands shake from pain and it's impossible to do a PC build anymore. I do the occasional GPU swap or drive swap, but it usually involves much colorful language trying to slide hard things into the tight spots. So, SI's are a godsend. Although the last one I used was Puget and then used a local guy to upgrade the guts on my fractal case. It's getting close to time to do a whole rig. Anyway, just remember that many of us Gen Xers grew up building the tech everyone now enjoys, but we ain't what we used to be. So good on all these wonderful SI choices. It so beats the old Packard Bells and Gateways. LOL.
Having a pc shop (or nephew or something) put together the parts you ordered for a fee is a much better investment
Hello, my son is a systems analyst, he is 30 years old, he also built his PC with an i7 12700k, an MB asus rog strix z690-a d4 32gb and an rtx 3070 ti. He is very passionate about the world of hardware more than software.
i can relate. i think i was one of the first overclocking generation too, overclocking pentium mmx but maybe people were overclocking commodore PET lol
@@ffwastOne stop warranty and cross shipping. Your nephew can't even.
Us Boomers as well.
Some pre builts just don't have all the connectors connected and everything a-ok. And the end consumer has to pay more for that as well. And sadly won't know how to fix them.
I bought the Player Three Prime build last year and I was lucky enough to catch a crazy deal leading up to Black Friday (damn near 1k off) and I absolutely love it. I'm a photographer, video editor and gamer. My old rig that I built a few years back was starting not to cut it with all this 8K footage people are shooting in. I didnt really have the free time, to research and build a new rig, so I decided to go with this option and it turned out for the best. They even refunded me the money back for the memory because I decided to go with a different set and all I had to do was send back the memory that came with it. It saved me a ton of time, and I was able to get right to work and playing my games after clone in my hard drive over.
PS. Their customer service is top notch and I was a very pleasant surprise.
Not everyone is capable or should even be near the inside of a pc case. For these people a prebuilt is perfect.
Its also a good way to get into the hobby without getting overwhelmed or fearing you'll destroy thousands of dollars of parts
Agreed. I always send friends/family to pre builts....that way I d9nt need to be the tech support crutch
I got a Player 2 last fall and my only regret is I didn't wait for a holiday sale and save a couple bucks 😊
I don't really care if someone goes pre-built. The only thing I've found is that, in most cases, you can't nerd out as much with pre-built folks because they don't really know their hardware. Can't talk about all of the small details/considerations that went into their PC. But, I'm all for easy entry to the PC world. Maybe it can inspire them to build/plan their own someday.
There’s absolutely ZERO excuse to not have more front fans in this pre-built. When I see stuff like this it makes me avoid the company going forward. There’s absolutely no reason to not have more front fans outside of saving money/increasing profits.
You know what's even better, if you go to their site, this over 3 grand configuration even shows 3 rgb fans in the front. Of course way way down at the bottom of the page it says, "Components may vary from images shown".
For real. What a JOKE. on such an expensive PC. AND they literally MAKE their own fans 😆 🤣
There is an excuse - if one fan is sufficient and temps under control?
@@francistaylor1822 at $3000++??? That's the reason there's no excuse
The sad thing is it might be a few cents to maybe a buck or two for basic white fans like that. It’s being insanely cheap and it would make me worry where else they cheaper out at.
That's a really nice build for a SI .. And I like the cut out for the 12vhpwr cable on that Gigabyte Card :) Nicely thought out position !
I love your comment about “a good starting point.” I look forward to the one series and the possible upgrade path.
Thanks for all this Info u do on your Channel, Greatly Appreciated what u do to help us on great Choices to make on upgrades and Computers.
I started off with a "prebuilt" (IBM XT) but have been exclusively building my own since the 286 days. When 3090s were near impossible to get I ended up buying the NZXT Creator and it's honestly been rock solid and their support even replaced Kraken cooler when the pump started making a little noise with no pushback. If I ever decide to get another prebuilt these are the guys I will spend money with.
I remember when i was getting into computers and i didnt want to build it, so i got a ACER pre-build for $2500, reaching temps of 100c
My friend that i thought knew more about PCs told me that those temps were normal but i looked online and saw that was considered the overheating
I returned it and decided to make my own and it was one of the best decisions ever, even though it can be frustrating when troubleshooting, its kinda fun to find the issue and fix it
But i alway recommend people prebuilds or consoles if they don’t want to deal with the hassle
Now my PC barely ever hits 70
Jay, an interesting viewpoint for us (and you) would be to see if you could improve the (albeit somewhat subjective) value for money and some suggestions to undertake in for example cable-management.
I like doing it all. I like that there are options now for pre-builds that are not just e-waste.
18:30 Jayz ifixit ad on the pump LCD is priceless xD
Since this video they've added three fans to even the base model Player Three I just picked mine up today, THANK YOU for speaking up :D
I started with a prebuit and upgraded over time. At this point the power supply is all that's left of the original prebuild. Gaming is my primary but building was fun, I referenced Jay a LOT to make sure I was doing it right.
I too am one who enjoys building/assembling the computer, troubleshooting and trying to fix is a whole 'nother thing.
This actually seems like a great deal. I went to pcpartpicker and checked out the pricing for the player two with the upgraded cpu option and their price was only about 230 bucks more than getting the parts yourself. That comes with manufacturers warranty as well so if you have any hiccups in that first year they got your back. Thanks for this Jay as I'm an aging gamer with a lot of health problems and I'm having a lot of problems with my clumsy hands. I think I'll go ahead and use this when I do my next build in a year or two.
Glad you pointed that out right away
In regards to xmp I think they never enable it. I got 2 pre-built from them awhile ago and I had to enable the ram overclock on my ddr4 memory
that title hurt my head 😭
I’m still processing it, like what??
It apparently hurt NZXTs head also, enough that they changed it.
I'm with you, building is the fun part. Especially trying to find the cheapest prices for the partsyou want. One thing I am glad about is I don't have to set the port addresses.
Case on table actually looks like it has the ability for a decent airflow. Also it looks like a surprisingly clean build with no loose cables. Not sure if there are enough case fans for long, heavy use, but that should be easy to fix (I stopped using the side panel on my computers a long time ago.. easier to cool, easier to change stuff)
Built my own with all be quiet fans fully populated even on the aio.
H6flow
X670 elite
7800x3d and 4070tis
$2300
I have a Gamer1+ been running almost non stop. Zero problems Love it
Im with Jay, its the journey that matters to me. So enjoy building the pc more than using it
my psychologist: the over 2k $ pc with single intake fan is not real, he cannot hurt you.
the pc: *insert meme*
i designed and purchased a 3500$ computer from Digital storm 2 years ago- I used to built my own. It cost less ,used all name brand products i wanted, did amazing workmanship on the assembly, I have used their technical support half a dozen times and it has excelled in every way and has outstanding warranty.the computer hardware and they staff have been worth every penny and the unit is rock solid and performs first rate.
It's odd that they don't use their own motherboards in their prebuilts - I really like the look of them.
i had an acer pre build 2006 till 2009 then i switched and build my first pc self and it was awsome and time goes on its now my 3 own build pc i made for friend the builds too and they are really happy i am really happy and never had problems
When is the best time of year to start looking for a PC and/or PC parts? Are we getting new GPUs from Nvidia this year or next?
I have triple Arctic 140mm intakes with this case. that single front fan is depressing lol
Saved my pennies for Digital Storm. I wanted a top tier AM5 custom pre built. Did I "overpay" compared building it myself?, of course. Will I need to upgrade in the next 10 years? Maybe not. It eats 4k gaming and does not break a sweat. And as a comparison to that 1 fan in the front thing.....mine has 6 on a 360 AIO push/ pull in the front. The highest temp I could get benchmarking the cpu was 71C. Whether you build it or buy it, my only advice is if you want the best, save up your money for the best.
Any upcoming vid about Corsair one i500? Surprise ya not doing one considering how much coverage ya did on previous models
I have 4 (4x16GB) sticks of Corsair Vengeance DDR5 64GB 5600MHz Expo running with no problems.
As I get close to averaging my monitor's refresh rate, I pay more attention to the 1% and .1% lows. If you're getting 60fps with 20fps lows, that's still gonna be a mess to play through. I don't think cp2077 shows 1% lows, so I would use afterburner to benchmark instead.
Ive looked at the player 3, you have options for ram including 64 gigs in just 2 sticks of ram.
Many have local shops too, that build your chosen components, and advice what is compatible.
I managed to pickup an open box Alienware R15 from MicroCenter Indy for $1390 otd. Before that I was adamant about building my own PC since I hadn't built one since 2012, but when I saw this deal at MC I knew it was too good to pass up. Sure it's Dell. Sure the proprietary hardware makes it almost impossible to upgrade or customize, but so far I haven't had an ounce of buyers remorse.
Id really like to see one of the thermaltake prebuilts, i specd out a tower 300 with 14900k/4090 fast ram and it came out to about $2500, i mean just the cpu/gpu costs me more than that so i wonder where they are really cutting costs
PC looks sick, I like it, even with only 1 fan at front, less noise.
Frame gen give a more FPS on the FPS counter but it also give bigger latency and don't really give more smoothness. I just realised he enables dlss frame gen, I don't know what the difference with "just" frame gen.
@JayzTwoCents, did NZXT comment on why they used MSI instead of using their own brand of motherboard and power supply?? They used their Case and CPU cooler.. possible cost issue?
Who in their right mind would get a 13900 build instead of 7800x3d? Especially with that single little fan
Something to be said about a built unit. My AMD AM5 build is down. My TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI MB blew a VRM. It was beyond the 90 day warranty, but well within the Manufacturer Warranty. ASUS showed MicroCenter as a "certified ASUS Repair Center", so I called my local MicroCenter, and they said "yep, we can accept Manufacturer Warranty Items from ASUS as we are a ASUS certified repair location. We do ask you bring in the entire system and not just the MB so that we can check to ensure it IS the MB". I said "I BUILT the unit, I did buy the parts from MicroCenter, but you did not build it up, I did." Guy said "Yep, bring it in, as long as that MB is under Manufacturer warranty we deal with it here." I took it in, and the guy at the repair counter said "Nope, we don't do that here, only if it was a pre-built system or we built it, or you purchased an extended warranty from us". ARGH!. So...$50 later in shipping and packaging...off to ASUS it goes. Currently waiting to hear if they are repairing it or just sending me another MB.
Something to be said about pre-built units right there. SIGH.
“They’re alright if they are paying us 👍” - Jay
😂
Needs more fans but I remember when I bought my last prebuilt back in 2016, there's a simplicity in it until you learn how to DIY.
18:00 but Jay that GPU temp reading is wrong! The case side is open!! (Read with your comment impression voice) 😂
6:46 THAT Raytracing Finger there is also weird :D :D
Personally, I like to build my own. But these are options that you could recommend to a friend or loved one without worrying about the bs of pre-built systems, and that they can also expand on it and dip their toe into PC building
I want to build more computers Jay taught me everything
Considering it is all off the shelf parts it isn't horrible. The cooling leaves something to be desired at that price point, but it probably won't cook its self. It is when proprietary stuff is added in that I draw a line. I guess if you are really adverse to putting a PC together this is a good enough option.
Considering I haven't seen Steve wreck this yet, that is saying something good.
only one 120mm intake on the front blah Jay love your videos BTW
To think that my first monitor was 14"640x480... And that was modern! It could even handle 16 bit color!
I'm not interested in a pre-built in any way... i'm only watching because Jay and his team are awesome.
how funny would it have been if at 7:36 instead of jayz logo it was an LTT logo transition XD
12:22 I note temp reading from AIO is from E-cores, I cant change that on NZXTCAM
10 years from now: "Nice fridge, but can it run Cyberpunk?" Nice system though. I love the fact that the case is off the shelf unlike some SIs. I'm a huge Fractal Design and Lian Li fangirl, but I've generally not heard too many negatives about NZXT (other than that snafu with the risers awhile back). For a prebuilt, I like it.
i think reviews of the entry level PC's would be a great idea.
There is a third camp to build a PC. I would prefer not to build a PC but the savings I get/got buy doing it myself was significant. I built an AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, RX 7800XT, 2 1TB m.2, 32GB 6000 RAM, Arctic LF II 280, FD Pop XL, Thermaltake 850w Gold for $2000 cdn (taxes in). I good not find an SI in Canada that could come close to the specs for less the $3000 before taxes. This was my first build in over 20 years. I did not enjoy the process as I did when I was younger. PC build were much easier, less choices, than the are today. Will I build another PC, most likely. Will I enjoy it more, hopefully, now that I've gone the the learning curve with the tech leap.
I mean ... buy a couple of fans on top the system seems pretty decent. Is it worth it? I mean it doesn't seem like a bad buy, but obviously if you can build it yourself then do it.
For a prebuilt computer, It's not bad and I wish all cases Had the larger holes to let air in and out like this case. I also agree that 3 fans in front Should be standard and the parts in this build are not of a low standard like most companies out there use the Cheapest mother board to get the price down or just charge way to much for their parts if you want to upgrade them.
Here's an idea for a video, when is the "best" time to upgrade your PC other than broken components or want
It varies, as the entire industry goes through different pacing of advancement. Think about how long Intel was stuck on 14 nm. I've been working on PCs since the XT, and build one whenever a customer asks, but honestly, it roughly every 6 years that you'll see any meaningful performance increase, at least in the last couple decades.
In my experience, Single rank ram will most likely post with XMP with all 4 slots populated, Dual rank will not post like 90% of the time with DDR5 XMP
That's what every compatibility list told you, and anyone else that bothers to look.
Sure thing dude 😂 I've also been in the IT game a long time.
We have a couple of great PC's for gaming and I need it for MFS2024 flight sim and in VR. I wonder what we should be looking for in a pc machine around $2500? How do builders pack and ship their gaming pc's? Id be afraid of it getting damaged somehow
Bet they did 4 sticks for looks, otherwise 2x32 should be the way to go.
More sticks makes it seem more expensive. Too bad they didn't have the same approach to the fans.
@@christophermullins7163 And it is more expensive. It's about 10-15% more expensive to buy 4X16Gb than 2X32Gb. AND it's slower !
If it was for looks they would have slapped in 4 sticks of cheap RGB Ram.
@@christophermullins7163 2 sticks and more fans = same price or less
Hi Jay. I noticed something in your video. It would be best if you bought a larger Lazy Susan. Anyone who watches your videos should now know how to build a PC. You make it so simple a child can do it.
I have never seen a computer ready for sale that is perfect for me. that's why I've built all the computers myself and then I'm sure that everything works and I know what I've done and I know where I've placed the cable if I want to change something later
Knowing nothing about PC gaming I bought a Prebuilt a couple of years ago. It’s a AMD Ryzen 7, 5800X,3070 from Corsair for $2300. I wish I would’ve waited for the 40series if I was gonna buy a prebuilt, even though this was years ago.
How do they consistently achieve such low idle temperatures? My room is at 22 degrees Celsius, and my AM4 5700X processor, even when I'm just watching a UA-cam video, hovers around 47-55 degrees-not the 25-30 degrees others report. Even when the system is idle, the temperature remains around 50 degrees. This is all with a 240mm AIO cooling system.
H7 flow is good have one but major problem with it is they only give you two fans and that sucks
I'm too scared to build my own as the stuff you get online may not necessarily be quality. With a system integrator, at least I have a warranty for the entire system. Plus I'm 68 years old and my hands don't work right anymore.
One of the good things about this industry is that what PC builders are putting in their systems today are going to be "cast-offs" tomorrow. Like...literally! There is such a saturated market for used components that I simply can't justify spending "premium" dollars for "premium" parts. At least, not when they'll be considered obsolete (or at least dated) in less than 5 years. The market seems to have stabilized over the last few years but that's just because the developers have yet to release the "next greatest thing" I've built several quality gaming systems that can play games in 4K low settings and not purchased a single new component for those builds and most of them came in well under $1K. Just gotta be patient and look for good deals because they're out there. Just dropping big money on a 4K monitor almost makes it not worth the cost. The 60Hz monitors are getting cheaper but a higher refresh rate screen is still north of $500 (just to play a game on!) Nah! I'm curious to see what Intel and AMD have coming next! Maybe 7GHz...8GHz?
i like the cut on the gpu so u dont have to bend the gpu power cable
A huge chunk of the price of that PC is to cover the cost of the warranty and free shipping. The fans are pitifully small (at least stick a 140 or two up front for that i9). The RAM is slow. I'm glad I built mine.
But if NZXT sent that to you knowing who you are, that's not a true representation of the real consumer experience. After watching Linus' Secret Shopper series and GN's reviews of prebuilt PCs, I've seen all I need to know how about much shit yo have to deal with if you buy a prebuilt.
And that's exactly why they're sending it to Jay.
Hi Jay! Maybe you can create a video with regard to the best BIOS settings for 7500f with EXPO DDR5
I like pre-built but ones that have lots of room for upgrading. Get a base setup and upgrade ad you go.
I hate to say it both corsair cases i have work in terms of air flow 1:47
I can see the appeal of buying the PC from a builder, because they also set it all up, bench test it and make sure it works (usually) and can swap out or problem solve what doesn't work. Less stress and headaches overall, but you do pay for that privilege. I'm not talking about big box Companies, who often make other computer peripherals, I'm talking about the dedicated PC builders/SI.
I've been hit and miss with pre-built PC's. I'd prefer to pick the parts I like and then put it together though. Gives me a bit of a good feeling when it all works and knowing I put it together.
When people say "Prebuilts suck" they're talking about the low-effort builds from big name companies like HP, Dell, etc. That just throw any cheap GPU and one stick of RAM in and call it a "gaming PC".
Just no, as someone that has custom built more PCs than I could possibly remember for customers over the last 30 years, we are talking about all of them. I have repaired so much garbage from literally all of them, from big to small SIs.
I sometimes buy used PCs for parts. Does that count as buying a "Pre-built"?
I think they should have done player 3 as the entry level little brother PC. Third controller you know, and they could have left player one for the big boy PC. The first person with the first controller is usually running the show!
My son's friends parents are editors for a local news channels UA-cam, and they both picked up the level 3 Prime versions around Black Friday last year. Can't recall the discount, but they paid like 4 grand for BOTH! And... I've helped them do all sorts of neat little stuff like custom cables, hordes of fans, upgraded RAM, one got a 4090 a few months back, and have added 12TB in m.2 nvme's to both! Long story... Long! After I had added the expansion card, somehow the damn block off plates couldn't go back in. They told me they may have dropped the computer at some point... Probably why they didn't line up, AT ALL! Lol! After a while they asked NZXT what could be done, and they sent the one build in for RMA...... My heart sank when I heard they did this. I figured they would have to pay to get it shipped back cuz it has very little original shit left in it! But.... NOPE! NZXT not only complimented her rig upgrades, but they offered to do a case swap if they needed that too... The case wound up being bent up enough to need replacing, and I can't believe they offered to do it. Probably knowing that it wasn't damaged in shipping. Lol! And they did a bang up job of cable management. Way better than the new Jay'zCrew rig! ;-) With all the shitstorm of component companies being shady, or outright fartsniffing law breakers... NZXT is legit. Fur eels! They're aight. Pricey pre-built without discounts, but yeah. Good for NZXT! Hi-five SI homies!
Nerfing the RAM probably saves NZXT a ton of support phone calls and ultimately RMAs. No point having an LED readout of temps if the readout is off by 12-15%.
I built about 10 PCs a month for 14 years, had to install them, attach a server, give startup lessons. I don't care to build them anymore unless its a real special job. These days picking out the parts, ordering, returning, and hoping they included all the hardware, isn't worth it unless it saves lots and lots of cash.
Which is why I don't mess with pre-builts. I can spend less than 2k on the same build but mine would have more than 1 intake fan.
I know that technically any pc that comes from a company is considered a “prebuilt”, but when I think of prebuilt, I think of companies like HP and Dell, that use proprietary parts, that if crap goes wrong, you’re basically stuck with a paperweight for a PC.
I have built and upgraded a bunch of computers but would not mind having a prebuilt.
Do you even play the games for tests or just rely on click and watch benchmarks?
I can build it cheaper, better and with way worse cable management. Plus, there will be screws left over. Don't know where from. But they'll be there.
Do Starforge most expensive build review. I bought it and love everything about it but know PC players can always find things to critique or hate on like price or a part and would love to see what.