Very interesting! My favorite, that is to say, my most complete translation, includes both versions, the original each time with footnotes leading to the Atbash version, each at 5l:41, which uses Shebash in one line and Babylon in the other.
Ancient Arabic translations did not seem to understand this code and transliterated it as it is "ששך" but modern ones did and translated it as Babylon. However, the most popular one is ancient 😅. Thanks so much for your interesting notes.
You were correct when you said it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. The scriptures are not shy about saying "Babylon". The LXX omits two of these passages completely. This is not a secret code. God doesn't use secret hidden messages. Jeremiah 51:41 uses both Sheshach and Babylon together in the same verse. Why leave one as Babylon and use a secret code to change the other? I believe the explanation is simple. Taking all of Jeremiah 51 in context, supplies the answer. In verse 51 Sheshach is taken. In verse 44 Bel is punished. Then the explanation comes in verse 47: "Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon:...". Sheshack and Bel were just two of the MANY gods Babylon worshipped.
It seems that the purpose of atbash is to provide a double meaning. Lev kamai means “heart of my enemy,” correct? Jeremiah was saying Chaldea was the heart of his enemy. Sheshac probably meant something, too, but the meaning is now lost. Maybe it was an insulting slang.
NIV online is Sheshak in first and last verses (teensy footnote "this probably refers to Babylon"), with both Babylon and Leb Kamal in Jer. 51:1 (tiny footnote that "this is a cryptogram for Babylonia.") In the CSB and HCSB: except that Leb Kamai is Leb-qamai, the same two words with virtually identical footnotes.
Shalom :) on one of another videos that you have posted on this YT channel you said that we could comment another topic related to Biblical Culture that are of interest that you could the. use for creating additional content video ideas - at least that is what I am hoping :) - having more information available to better understand kingdoms- from an ancient Israelite perspective what is a kingdom ? How would a king have “ruled” his land? and what power/responsibility/privilege would the a son/daughter of a king have? How about the immediate “servants”? For example Hagar and Eliezer? What speaking/acting on “behalf of the king” actually entailed. I think most of us have a “Hollywood/“tell-a-vision” understanding of life during the time of kings/pharoahs as well as the Roman/Greek dynamic. What have the archaeology and ancient texts recorded? Another topic of interest is the Mazzaroth/Zodiac and the ancient stories the other cultures have passed down (how the story of creation is told in the stars in multiple ancient languages just As the flood narrative is recorded in multiple ancient languages . Shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem
Also after learning of this “code” I am reminded of the verse Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) [It is] the glory of Hashem to conceal a thing (דבר): but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter (דבר). דבר - not sure if I’m stating this correctly grammatically - the root word דבר is very interesting and fascinating - shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem ❤
Also after learning of this “code” I am reminded of the verse Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) [It is] the glory of Hashem to conceal a thing (דבר): but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter (דבר). דבר - not sure if I’m stating this correctly grammatically - the root word דבר is very interesting and fascinating - shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem ❤
In my NLT Bible, in Jeremiah 25:26 and 51:41 the footnote reads....Hebrew Sheshach a code name for Babylon, and in Jeremiah 51:1 the footnote reads...Hebrew of Leb-kamai, a code name for Babylonia. Very Interesting! Thank you.
As a (Swiss) German Swiss, I use e.g. the "Elberfelder Bibel". It says Scheschach. Can you tell me the name of the Hebrew Bible software you use on your PC ? Thanks a lot.
@@BiblicalCulture Toda raba! Just installed the software. Need to find out how Hebrew Text and ESV can be opened in parallel, i.e. two windows on the same screen. Looking forward to using the sw.
In the Bible, the word 'linen' occurs 104 times in 90 verses, and the word 'flax' occurs 11 times in 10 verses. Flax is the plant that is processed to make linen.
I researched this topic, I am not Jewish but sheshac is flax seed or linen. Who were the kings of linen? If Babylon was a port city then who was the next port city to profit or people
The Masoretes were the first to write the vowels, so we often cannot know for sure how far back a certain pronunciation tradition goes. In this case the vowels might intentionally be different than Bavel.
Iraq is currently named for where Babylon was. But if you are talking about who today is acting as Babylon did in Biblical times, I would say America fits the bill, in a symbolic way.
Not applicable - no secret code in the (earlier) Hebrew text reflected by the LXX translation (and here reflected in the NETS and SAAS [Orthodox Study Bible] English translations). Jer. 25:26 NETS 32:12 and all the kings from the east wind, those far and those near, each with his brother, and all the kingdoms that are on the surface of the earth. SAAS 32:13 and all the kings from the faraway East, each one with his brother; and all the kingdoms on the face of the earth. Jer. 51:1 NETS 28:1 This is what the Lord says: Behold, I am stirring up a destructive scorching wind against Babylon and against the inhabiting Chaldeans, SAAS 28:1 Thus says the Lord: “Behold, I raise up against Babylon and the inhabitants of the Chaldeans a scorching heat, a wind to destroy utterly. Jer. 51:41 NETS 28:41 How she was taken, and the boast of the whole earth taken prey! How Babylon has become an annihilation among the nations! SAAS 28:41 How has the boast of the whole earth been caught and captured? How has Babylon become as a desolation among the nations?
Thanks for sharing the NETS. The LXX might predate the atbash as you suggest but it might also be translating an atbash vorlage. For comparison, we might not have known about the Targum’s knowledge of the atbash if it didn’t translate both the regular and atbash meaning of לב קמי in 51:1. Regarding 25:26 and 51:41 it simply translates ששך as Babylon, which is what the LXX might be doing too.
I haven't used yet Atbash. It will be in future. But the Bible secrets exist really.There is sequence 226622662266 in the verse Bereshit 43:9. And 2266 is a numerical code Mah Milui for Mars.
I'm not exactly sure but the Greek mirrors itself in a way with the Hebrew Aramaic that is telling a similar story rearranging name's the name's a haven't checked but I found it in judge's or was it Roman's 😮💨and John1 I had to stop I get frustrated some and Acts mentions a story about Paul taken on a ship to Crete I think by the Roman's it seems like he's being persecuted but not straight forward as the Roman's show him kindness after examining him which I think is a teaching of understanding the writings of Paul in Roman's not sure which book but he ends up sailing island to island and it's like a simulation of Jesus saying it was a difficult journey so I think he's talking about teaching these people on the islands tossing wheat overboard after breaking the bread to eat is interpretation of books or references it can get exhausting at time's and he also encourages men to fast a little longer so that doesn't mean starve it's row to get through the rough huh? He speaks of the ship and it's parts which is strong which is falling apart that's like their exercising a vessel but it is more than a mass or he's teaching mass? I thought maybe a country then I thought an army I have other things to look up like the name's of the islands and parts of things mentioned to find connections thought I'd mention that to see if maybe you can give me a hot or cold ? 😇 should I keep information to myself in case it's taken for another person's credit I have been laying out thoughts of interpretation leaving minor details out to help anyone along cause it's like I've written nonsense to see what feed back I'd get but not really gotten anything that would help just thought if all these stories and philosopher's and history's are elusive maybe I would be noisy and insulting to see if I get a pulse 😅
@@BiblicalCulture Just found the video. I send this as a reply to your post to see if you still get after a year. My bible id e-Sword KJV and KJV+. 25:26-SheshachH8347-Sheshak, a symbolical name of Babylonian: - Sheshach. 51:1-Babylon,H894 -Babel (that is, Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire: - Babel, 51:41 How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!-same Hebrew, H894 Have you ever heard of hidden timelines of the end times (encoded) in biblical scripture? Like 8 witnesses in scripture showing the end time timeline. Rev. 12 being a timeline and possibly Zecheriah.
Why don't you like the sound of it? The Holy Scriptures have many of these secrets that we are told to seek out. There is the TORAH Secret which the first 2 books every 7th Hebrew character, leads on to spell TORAH in Hebrew backward. The last two books are the same, every 7th letter reads TORAH in Hebrew, in the correct way. Last, the middle book, Leviticus, doesn't work counting every 7 letters, but when you count I believe, every 49 letters, you will find a YUD, then a HE, then a WAW, and then a HE, spelling Our Lords name. The man who founded this stated that it could only mean the Torah backward is pointing to YHWH, as the Torah regularly spelled is also pointing to YHWH. I may be wrong about some small details, but that's the gist of it. The Bible is an amazing book. I don't normally mess around with this stuff, gematria, numerology etc. but when its right in your face and it can't be denied, why reject it? God bless.. Open my eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of your law. Psalm 119:18 The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple. Psalm 119:30 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans 15:4
Biblia peshita 25 a todos los reyes de Zimri, a todos los reyes de Elam y a todos los reyes de Media; 26 a todos los reyes del norte, próximos y distantes unos de otros, y a todos los reinos que existen en toda la faz de la tierra; y el rey Areshkhaya® beberá des- pués de ellos.
Very interesting! Would love a follow up video. Thanks Dr. Moster
Thanks Asher!
Great explanation of Atbash! Nice format, too. I'm just getting started on UA-cam and trying to learn from you.
Thanks Dr Armstrong, I’m glad to be of help and wish you much luck on your new channel. I look forward to your videos.
@@BiblicalCulture thank you!
Why do people see it
Thank you once again, Rabbi Moster! Appreciate your videos.
ESV translates Sheshakh as Babylon, but leaves Leb Kamai. All three passages have explaining footnotes, saying there is a code
Interesting split. Thanks Gottfried.
Wow this is amazing ! Thank you for sharing this amazing code
Very interesting! My favorite, that is to say, my most complete translation, includes both versions, the original each time with footnotes leading to the Atbash version, each at 5l:41, which uses Shebash in one line and Babylon in the other.
“My… translation” where is that? Or are you imagining what the best translation would be?
My NASV does the same as stated above.
Why do we see code s in the. Be?
Ancient Arabic translations did not seem to understand this code and transliterated it as it is "ששך" but modern ones did and translated it as Babylon.
However, the most popular one is ancient 😅.
Thanks so much for your interesting notes.
You were correct when you said it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. The scriptures are not shy about saying "Babylon". The LXX omits two of these passages completely. This is not a secret code. God doesn't use secret hidden messages. Jeremiah 51:41 uses both Sheshach and Babylon together in the same verse. Why leave one as Babylon and use a secret code to change the other? I believe the explanation is simple. Taking all of Jeremiah 51 in context, supplies the answer.
In verse 51 Sheshach is taken. In verse 44 Bel is punished. Then the explanation comes in verse 47: "Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon:...". Sheshack and Bel were just two of the MANY gods Babylon worshipped.
How do you know which words to apply atbash to? A word or place could be accidentally the atbash of another word or place.
Good question. Researchers (I forget who) checked the entire book with a computer and found only these instances.
Very interesting. I just bought the new NET translation and it has Babylon for both.
Thank you David!
From that competition was tough
It seems that the purpose of atbash is to provide a double meaning.
Lev kamai means “heart of my enemy,” correct? Jeremiah was saying Chaldea was the heart of his enemy. Sheshac probably meant something, too, but the meaning is now lost. Maybe it was an insulting slang.
NIV online is Sheshak in first and last verses (teensy footnote "this probably refers to Babylon"), with both Babylon and Leb Kamal in Jer. 51:1 (tiny footnote that "this is a cryptogram for Babylonia.") In the CSB and HCSB: except that Leb Kamai is Leb-qamai, the same two words with virtually identical footnotes.
Thanks for looking this up!
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Shalom :) on one of another videos that you have posted on this YT channel you said that we could comment another topic related to Biblical Culture that are of interest that you could the. use for creating additional content video ideas - at least that is what I am hoping :) - having more information available to better understand kingdoms- from an ancient Israelite perspective what is a kingdom ? How would a king have “ruled” his land? and what power/responsibility/privilege would the a son/daughter of a king have? How about the immediate “servants”? For example Hagar and Eliezer? What speaking/acting on “behalf of the king” actually entailed. I think most of us have a “Hollywood/“tell-a-vision” understanding of life during the time of kings/pharoahs as well as the Roman/Greek dynamic. What have the archaeology and ancient texts recorded? Another topic of interest is the Mazzaroth/Zodiac and the ancient stories the other cultures have passed down (how the story of creation is told in the stars in multiple ancient languages just As the flood narrative is recorded in multiple ancient languages . Shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem
Also after learning of this “code” I am reminded of the verse Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) [It is] the glory of Hashem to conceal a thing (דבר): but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter (דבר). דבר - not sure if I’m stating this correctly grammatically - the root word דבר is very interesting and fascinating - shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem ❤
Also after learning of this “code” I am reminded of the verse Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) [It is] the glory of Hashem to conceal a thing (דבר): but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter (דבר). דבר - not sure if I’m stating this correctly grammatically - the root word דבר is very interesting and fascinating - shalom to you shalom to Jerusalem ❤
In my NLT Bible, in Jeremiah 25:26 and 51:41 the footnote reads....Hebrew Sheshach a code name for Babylon, and in Jeremiah 51:1 the footnote reads...Hebrew of Leb-kamai, a code name for Babylonia. Very Interesting! Thank you.
Thanks for sharing!
Fascinating! In HalleluYAH Scriptures, it has Sheshakh in ch. 25, and Babel in ch. 51.
Thanks for sharing and praised be to YaHuWaH Elohim!
Thanks for sharing! Interesting to decode in one passage but not the other.
@@BiblicalCulture The pleasure’s mine. Shalom!
Jer. 25:26 The 1984 Luther Bible has Scheschach BUT in note to the verse it is called an under cover name for Babylon Deckname.
Thanks Christoph, good find
As a (Swiss) German Swiss, I use e.g. the "Elberfelder Bibel". It says Scheschach.
Can you tell me the name of the Hebrew Bible software you use on your PC ? Thanks a lot.
Thanks for sharing Thomas. It’s called Accordance Bible software. Enjoy.
@@BiblicalCulture Toda raba! Just installed the software. Need to find out how Hebrew Text and ESV can be opened in parallel, i.e. two windows on the same screen. Looking forward to using the sw.
@@eThomas57 There's an "add parallel" button just above the source text, on the right for Mac and probably on left for PC. Enjoy.
@@BiblicalCulture Toda raba! You made my day - again! Regards, Thomas
In the Bible, the word 'linen' occurs 104 times in 90 verses, and the word 'flax' occurs 11 times in 10 verses. Flax is the plant that is processed to make linen.
That's the fault of your mistranslators. It's not in the Hebrew.
Thank you.
I researched this topic, I am not Jewish but sheshac is flax seed or linen. Who were the kings of linen? If Babylon was a port city then who was the next port city to profit or people
Never heard of this code
Mind blowing 😳
Why do we see it and what means ?
Mine is the ESV & all three passages are translated “Babylon”
Thanks for sharing!
But why are the niqqidot different in Babel and Sheshak ??? Did the Masorites just make up those markings like they did with YHWH ?
The Masoretes were the first to write the vowels, so we often cannot know for sure how far back a certain pronunciation tradition goes. In this case the vowels might intentionally be different than Bavel.
So who is Babylon today?
Iraq is currently named for where Babylon was. But if you are talking about who today is acting as Babylon did in Biblical times, I would say America fits the bill, in a symbolic way.
Not applicable - no secret code in the (earlier) Hebrew text reflected by the LXX translation (and here reflected in the NETS and SAAS [Orthodox Study Bible] English translations).
Jer. 25:26
NETS 32:12 and all the kings from the east wind, those far and those near, each with his brother, and all the kingdoms that are on the surface of the earth.
SAAS 32:13 and all the kings from the faraway East, each one with his brother; and all the kingdoms on the face of the earth.
Jer. 51:1
NETS 28:1 This is what the Lord says: Behold, I am stirring up a destructive scorching wind against Babylon and against the inhabiting Chaldeans,
SAAS 28:1 Thus says the Lord: “Behold, I raise up against Babylon and the inhabitants of the Chaldeans a scorching heat, a wind to destroy utterly.
Jer. 51:41
NETS 28:41 How she was taken, and the boast of the whole earth taken prey! How Babylon has become an annihilation among the nations!
SAAS 28:41 How has the boast of the whole earth been caught and captured? How has Babylon become as a desolation among the nations?
Thanks for sharing the NETS. The LXX might predate the atbash as you suggest but it might also be translating an atbash vorlage. For comparison, we might not have known about the Targum’s knowledge of the atbash if it didn’t translate both the regular and atbash meaning of לב קמי in 51:1. Regarding 25:26 and 51:41 it simply translates ששך as Babylon, which is what the LXX might be doing too.
I haven't used yet Atbash. It will be in future. But the Bible secrets exist really.There is sequence 226622662266 in the verse Bereshit 43:9. And 2266 is a numerical code Mah Milui for Mars.
in portuguese translate ainolibab that is babilonia back to front, good that sounds like a semitic word
I'm not exactly sure but the Greek mirrors itself in a way with the Hebrew Aramaic that is telling a similar story rearranging name's the name's a haven't checked but I found it in judge's or was it Roman's 😮💨and John1 I had to stop I get frustrated some and Acts mentions a story about Paul taken on a ship to Crete I think by the Roman's it seems like he's being persecuted but not straight forward as the Roman's show him kindness after examining him which I think is a teaching of understanding the writings of Paul in Roman's not sure which book but he ends up sailing island to island and it's like a simulation of Jesus saying it was a difficult journey so I think he's talking about teaching these people on the islands tossing wheat overboard after breaking the bread to eat is interpretation of books or references it can get exhausting at time's and he also encourages men to fast a little longer so that doesn't mean starve it's row to get through the rough huh? He speaks of the ship and it's parts which is strong which is falling apart that's like their exercising a vessel but it is more than a mass or he's teaching mass? I thought maybe a country then I thought an army I have other things to look up like the name's of the islands and parts of things mentioned to find connections thought I'd mention that to see if maybe you can give me a hot or cold ? 😇 should I keep information to myself in case it's taken for another person's credit I have been laying out thoughts of interpretation leaving minor details out to help anyone along cause it's like I've written nonsense to see what feed back I'd get but not really gotten anything that would help just thought if all these stories and philosopher's and history's are elusive maybe I would be noisy and insulting to see if I get a pulse 😅
(KJV)
Jeremiah 25:26 Sheshach
51:1 Babylon
51:41 Sheshach
(ESV) all are Babylon.
Excellent Lenny. I wonder if the KJV translators were left in the dark or if they simply preferred to translate these verses literally.
@@BiblicalCulture Just found the video. I send this as a reply to your post to see if you still get after a year.
My bible id e-Sword KJV and KJV+.
25:26-SheshachH8347-Sheshak, a symbolical name of Babylonian: - Sheshach.
51:1-Babylon,H894 -Babel (that is, Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire: - Babel,
51:41 How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!-same Hebrew, H894
Have you ever heard of hidden timelines of the end times (encoded) in biblical scripture? Like 8 witnesses in scripture showing the end time timeline. Rev. 12 being a timeline and possibly Zecheriah.
I really don,t like the sound of this. ! i will have to look into it Shalom
Why don't you like the sound of it? The Holy Scriptures have many of these secrets that we are told to seek out. There is the TORAH Secret which the first 2 books every 7th Hebrew character, leads on to spell TORAH in Hebrew backward. The last two books are the same, every 7th letter reads TORAH in Hebrew, in the correct way. Last, the middle book, Leviticus, doesn't work counting every 7 letters, but when you count I believe, every 49 letters, you will find a YUD, then a HE, then a WAW, and then a HE, spelling Our Lords name. The man who founded this stated that it could only mean the Torah backward is pointing to YHWH, as the Torah regularly spelled is also pointing to YHWH. I may be wrong about some small details, but that's the gist of it. The Bible is an amazing book. I don't normally mess around with this stuff, gematria, numerology etc. but when its right in your face and it can't be denied, why reject it? God bless..
Open my eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of your law.
Psalm 119:18
The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.
Psalm 119:30
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 15:4
Jer 51:1 in 1984 Luther it is Babylon
Biblia peshita
25 a todos los reyes de Zimri, a todos los
reyes de Elam y a todos los reyes de Media;
26 a todos los reyes del norte, próximos
y distantes unos de otros, y a todos los
reinos que existen en toda la faz de la
tierra; y el rey Areshkhaya® beberá des-
pués de ellos.
If you were trying to hide the bloodline would Shim Hill be the same as Shin linguistically