'I DON'T GET IT!' ❌ Jason Cundy ADMITS He Is NOT CONVINCED By Chelsea's Signing Of Jadon Sancho

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 158

  • @munyaradzikandoro6797
    @munyaradzikandoro6797 2 місяці тому +43

    The happiest player at Chelsea right now is the Big man Nicholas Jackson 🤣🤣🤣

  • @stefanpetrusev2327
    @stefanpetrusev2327 2 місяці тому +3

    Sterling to arsenal is a great transfer for them,but Sancho for 25 mil is amazing

  • @jah5076
    @jah5076 2 місяці тому +4

    the best thing for Chelsea to happen now would be Saudi coming in for mudryk, hes absolutely shocking

  • @NA597
    @NA597 2 місяці тому +3

    Front 4 - Jackson, Nkunku, Palmer, Felix can get 15 goals each, that's 60
    4 wingers - Mudryk, Madueke, Sancho, Neto can get 20 goals combined, that's 80 all together, midfield and defence chipping 10 goals, that's potential 90 goals in this squad

  • @georgethompson453
    @georgethompson453 2 місяці тому +1

    Maresca must know quite a lot about Sancho. For me it’s a real unknown but he could be at the last chance saloon in his mid 20’s. It’s a gamble but Sancho does have talent which requires a tweak.

  • @bhuda_finger1004
    @bhuda_finger1004 2 місяці тому +1

    Whos the fella that says alot without saying anything while having a mouth full of water? Talented guy

  • @SP_Cbr
    @SP_Cbr 2 місяці тому +34

    To spend over a billion, yet still lacking in a world class striker 🤯

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому +4

      @SP_Cbr Apart from Haaland, name a world class striker who is under 25?

    • @SP_Cbr
      @SP_Cbr 2 місяці тому +3

      @ExtrovertedFullback obviously Osimhen, Isak, Benjamin Šeško, or just a little over 25 is Lautaro Martinez, but in my opinion chelsea should have put priority on a Striker before all the other signings

    • @opinionunpopular
      @opinionunpopular 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@SP_Cbr Osimhen is far from world class😂. Watch him play consistently and you'll say the same.

    • @Flexutd
      @Flexutd 2 місяці тому

      ​@@opinionunpopularosimhen is far from world class? You sure you have seen him play?

    • @Flexutd
      @Flexutd 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@opinionunpopularosimhen worst season was last season and he scored over 20 goals and 5 assist

  • @robdogj
    @robdogj 2 місяці тому +6

    Cundy ain't wrong here

  • @paulmallon9292
    @paulmallon9292 2 місяці тому +28

    Sancho reminds me of Lukaku in the sense that people keep taking a punt on the lad despite an abundance of evidence the PL is beyond him. He has been stinking the place out for years.

    • @Raiim
      @Raiim 2 місяці тому +15

      Have some shame Lukaku’s numbers make him a world class striker, top scorer for his country and scores goals wherever he goes.. don’t compare him to a fraud

    • @paulmallon9292
      @paulmallon9292 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Raiim you get my basic point though. Lukaku comparison though is perhaps unfair.

    • @josephdormon478
      @josephdormon478 2 місяці тому +1

      Chelsea football suits SANCHO than United

    • @davidpriestley666
      @davidpriestley666 2 місяці тому +1

      Lukakus number might be good but his good for 1 season and by season 2/3 his out the door ??? One of the biggest mercenary’s in the game

    • @loudmouthdiaries5188
      @loudmouthdiaries5188 2 місяці тому

      I believe and know for a fact Lukaku has more epl goals that the great Drogba
      Stop the disrespect.
      Most scored in Everton
      Yes Everton

  • @Leo-u9l7e
    @Leo-u9l7e Місяць тому +2

    Didnt age well did it?

  • @nickvaughan8100
    @nickvaughan8100 2 місяці тому +5

    Don't matter if we signed a striker our defence and keeper are shite

  • @ells-aviation
    @ells-aviation 2 місяці тому

    Forgive me but other than Cundy who are the other guys in the studio?

    • @jamesfretwell1511
      @jamesfretwell1511 2 місяці тому

      A bunch of nobody's mate. They dont deserve to be on national radio.

  • @abebegirmay3327
    @abebegirmay3327 2 місяці тому

    How many wingers have Chelsea? Neto, Mudryk, Sancho, Maduake, Palmer, and more. Does the coach know these players are in Chelsea?

  • @Luke-ih2wt
    @Luke-ih2wt 2 місяці тому +11

    Flex doesn’t understand talking honestly about your team. He just makes out Utd squad is the best in the world 😂.

    • @RockomusiK
      @RockomusiK 2 місяці тому

      No he doesn't 🙈😂

  • @callum4794
    @callum4794 2 місяці тому +2

    who are these box tickers talksport are wheeling out?

  • @kevinpillay6103
    @kevinpillay6103 2 місяці тому

    Sterling wages too high hence United didnt pursue but he would have an upgrade on Sancho.

  • @janniknielsen9292
    @janniknielsen9292 2 місяці тому

    It's mind boggling that Chelsea keeps acquiring wide attackers and they are all young and inexperienced, while at least one accomplished striker has been the elephant in the room. It's like Chelsea built an academy within an academy. There is no deeper thought going into the team building.
    If they had bought them on low fees, one may understand it if Chelsea didn't recently play for titles, and they were a side trying to accumulate resources over time, but they are a somewhat big club, spending a fortune on players, that are so plentiful, that you can't possibly get the best out of them, in a club with no adherence to synergistic nor team coherence, is such a unnecessary risk taking, that the only explanation is money laundering, because they will not even accumulate bigger wealth on their investments. Players will more often than not go for less than they bought them for and certainly not optimised pricing.

  • @wahlvisiongolf
    @wahlvisiongolf 2 місяці тому

    Interesting that Nkunku is not being mentioned as striker, that is his best position.
    Jörgensen
    Gusto Fofana Colwill Cucurella
    Lavia Caicedo
    Madueke Palmer Neto
    Nkunku
    That is our best 11

    • @loudmouthdiaries5188
      @loudmouthdiaries5188 2 місяці тому +1

      Nkunku is a second striker
      He needs a striker to hide him

    • @mikem8211
      @mikem8211 2 місяці тому

      No Enzo? That's harsh

  • @speedy.gonzahles
    @speedy.gonzahles 2 місяці тому

    Why is everyone always putting Jackson over nkunku in the ST position when nkunku is the better finisher and has played as a striker with RBL and even won the bundesliga golden boot.

  • @Ed-zi9ju
    @Ed-zi9ju 2 місяці тому

    Felix and Nkunku can play as a 9 comfortably… not Neto 🙄 Sancho wasn’t suited or loved at UTD. Maresca and shields have worked with him before a know what they wanted. It wasn’t a last minute chance purchase but a season long negotiation tactic waiting Utd out FACT. Let’s see but he was definitely bought for a reason and took a big pay dive to join.

  • @WopWopWopWopW
    @WopWopWopWopW 2 місяці тому +1

    I still haven’t seen an announcement of Sancho

    • @JogaBonitofootball
      @JogaBonitofootball 2 місяці тому +1

      They would need to release 15 plus videos for the rest of the squad they purchased

  • @munyaradzikandoro6797
    @munyaradzikandoro6797 2 місяці тому

    TBH, we never wanted Sancho. Our interest was as a result of a possible sale of Raheem Sterling to Manchester united. Initially Chelsea wanted to do a player swap. This idea was discarded and they opted to do the deals separately. In order for Chelsea to prove that they were serious, they needed to buy Sancho. I believe this was done in good faith but got played. 🤣🤣🤣
    This is not the Roman era anymore and this is proof.

  • @stekeson4182
    @stekeson4182 2 місяці тому +1

    Nkunku is a striker

  • @MinisterManDan
    @MinisterManDan 2 місяці тому

    I mean it's low risk because they paid very little for transfer fee and United is still paying part of the salary. It's like buying a house that was worth a lot of money but now needs a new roof and may have incurable black mould. If they can replace the roof and the mould turns out to be fixable, they just hit the jackpot. If not, who cares?

  • @DanielS10291
    @DanielS10291 2 місяці тому

    Absolutely stupid comparison, toney did it playing for brentford, and 3 of jacksons goals were against 8 men spurs

  • @Wonderscope1
    @Wonderscope1 2 місяці тому

    But I get it. There is no guarantee Mudryk can become the player Chelsea expected so why not bring someone that might be better than him at such cheap price. It makes sense
    Why do not we think clubs actually plan for future they just don't look at season ahead

  • @choppaa4204
    @choppaa4204 2 місяці тому

    Felix, nkunku, and guiu all play the 9

  • @RockomusiK
    @RockomusiK 2 місяці тому

    Best of luck with him you're going to need it.

  • @andymcstab534
    @andymcstab534 2 місяці тому

    I think it means Mudryk is in the last chance saloon (possibly half out the door) and we are hedging our bets 🤷

  • @danymate2000
    @danymate2000 2 місяці тому

    Mandueke plays one match good , after 5 matches bad, Mudryk is useless, that’s reason why we bought Sancho😊

  • @darrensaquaticsworld
    @darrensaquaticsworld 2 місяці тому

    7 keepers and all are pants, still no decent striker. The same missing pieces for the last 3 seasons. Make it make sense.

  • @sanchido36
    @sanchido36 2 місяці тому

    If Sancho doesn't start, there will be another statement released 🙄

  • @stevetarrant3362
    @stevetarrant3362 2 місяці тому +4

    what all my fellow Chelsea fans need to do is stop glory hunting and go with the plan. Roman wasnt built in a day, lol, look at the long term. forget about the players weve sold or are being sidelined and then being sold. getting rid of sterling was a bonus, all us PROPER Chelsea fans couldnt stand the bloke as a player or person.

    • @AliRaza-lg7sv
      @AliRaza-lg7sv 2 місяці тому

      True it took 9 months for Roman to come out.

  • @azh-mf5uc
    @azh-mf5uc 2 місяці тому +1

    We need to get rid of mudryk.
    We need a top striker like osihman to complete our line-up.
    CB is an area we need to address to replace the G Thiago silva.

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому

      @azh-mf5uc Osimhen had one good season in 2022/23...
      Go and look at his Serie A stats... Osimhen has the same numbers as Jackson in the Premier League.

    • @azh-mf5uc
      @azh-mf5uc 2 місяці тому

      @ExtrovertedFullback I hear what your saying but stats ain't everything.
      There aren't many Top class No 9 s out there.

    • @robdolman2256
      @robdolman2256 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@azh-mf5uc bro are you mad? Plenty of number 9s out there in the UK and abroad at a lower level, just need the right opportunity. Look at vardy, toney if they wasn't given the opportunity one wouldn't of won the prem and the other earn 350k a week for the next 6 years 😂

    • @azh-mf5uc
      @azh-mf5uc 2 місяці тому

      @@robdolman2256 Give me some names boss man.???.

    • @azh-mf5uc
      @azh-mf5uc 2 місяці тому

      @robdolman2256 The Top clubs go for the finished articles when their going for a first choice striker.
      Harland springs to mind.

  • @Mr.BednaR
    @Mr.BednaR 2 місяці тому

    Everyone talks as if Chelsea 's COACH is making final calls on who comes and goes

  • @williamrobinson4253
    @williamrobinson4253 2 місяці тому

    Pre-dated mentality of Cundy. Chelsea have Nkunku, Palmer, Felix, Jackson, Guiu who can all do a job as a forward. Traditional target man is not an obligation.

    • @peopletalkuttergarbage
      @peopletalkuttergarbage 2 місяці тому

      But apart from Palmer they're all mid table players except for Jackson that's vauxhall conference at best!

  • @ianhudson7712
    @ianhudson7712 2 місяці тому

    2 minutes 18 before top 4 was mentioned

  • @jamesfretwell1511
    @jamesfretwell1511 2 місяці тому

    I dont get how talksport can keep employing these jokers. The drop in quality on this show, from back in the early 2000s is staggering. Whos idea was it to employ UA-camrs ffs?

  • @TallmanThebouse
    @TallmanThebouse 2 місяці тому

    Neto does not get ahead of doku or Luiz or martenelli

    • @trxmworld
      @trxmworld 2 місяці тому

      Neto doesn’t get shred of Martinelli??? Don’t let the teams they play for gas you into nonsense 😂😂

  • @greg2502
    @greg2502 2 місяці тому +1

    Bring them back? Wtf does that mean? They arent coaches in fact Hazard is lazy and a terrible in training and Drogba is busy with other endeavors. Stop living in the past you sound foolish

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому

      @greg2502 Precisely... This approach often backfires with managerial and coaching hires.

  • @deanoman999
    @deanoman999 2 місяці тому

    Felix is better 9 than Jackson

  • @garyjohnson3751
    @garyjohnson3751 2 місяці тому

    Totally agree with cundy here butt! The only issue I’ve seen us! The whoopsie I’ve just done on the carpet

  • @unboxutd.5056
    @unboxutd.5056 2 місяці тому

    Chelski got 6 wingers great

  • @AshenafiFekadu
    @AshenafiFekadu 2 місяці тому +1

    No chelsea fan cares about the silly envies shout of cundy.

  • @shaneodwyer6132
    @shaneodwyer6132 2 місяці тому

    I just can't understand why Chelsea didn't buy Ivan Toney - he would have been perfect for them. Sancho is a stupid signing, they don't need him.

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому

      @shaneodwyer6132 These comments are lazy.
      His non-penalty goals make him no more useful than Jackson... Jackson is younger, would cost less than 25% of the wages, and isn't worth zero in five years.

    • @AliRaza-lg7sv
      @AliRaza-lg7sv 2 місяці тому

      ​@ExtrovertedFullback Ivan tones was being paid less than Jackson in wages .

  • @RIAZYACOBRAWOOT-eo9rd
    @RIAZYACOBRAWOOT-eo9rd 2 місяці тому +2

    Jason condy knows nothing about football

  • @PjMasks-qu6bb
    @PjMasks-qu6bb 2 місяці тому

    Osimhen ruined his own career

  • @belladonna5531
    @belladonna5531 2 місяці тому

    Flex is a numpty in a sponsored hat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Cedisdead
    @Cedisdead 2 місяці тому +2

    Chelsea need to be punished for what they're doing, even for Brexits money laundry should be a bit immoral and criminal right?

  • @JohnSmith-nn7tw
    @JohnSmith-nn7tw 2 місяці тому

    Neto is bang average.

    • @michouharoliyk2050
      @michouharoliyk2050 2 місяці тому

      Which means he is infinitely better than mudryk. Meanwhile Sancho is more of a Kidderminster Harrier impact sub

  • @MMKLYH
    @MMKLYH 2 місяці тому +2

    We should bring drogba and hazard back and just let them do sessions with jackson and mudryk

    • @chukwuonweuche5816
      @chukwuonweuche5816 2 місяці тому

      Don’t know why clubs don’t do this even if it’s for a week , train some players with legends

    • @daltonpolius5238
      @daltonpolius5238 2 місяці тому

      All well and good being a top player but can they transfer and communicate their knowledge effectively to improve players. Do you really think Hazard can teach someone how to get better ? ​@@chukwuonweuche5816

    • @stevetarrant3362
      @stevetarrant3362 2 місяці тому

      we tried that with Drogba to train Lakaku..... Drogbas own words were "" no chance, he can run onto balls, but, the minute play slows, hes clueless""

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому

      @MMKLYH Drogba was very similar to Jackson at this age...yet people expect him to be prime Drogba.
      Hazard was a generational player...he was so deadly and so efficient from any area of the pitch...he wasn't one of these right-foot/left-wing players.
      Nothing he can reach Mudryk...he'd probably make him feel even worse.

  • @markkendall6144
    @markkendall6144 2 місяці тому

    Kepa should of been made chelsea no1

  • @JogaBonitofootball
    @JogaBonitofootball 2 місяці тому +4

    I’m so happy you guys took Sancho off our hands. Thank god. He’s such a spoiled horrid young adult. Dribbles 10 feet forward, flicks his toes then passes back. Everybody slags off Antony but I prefer Antony all day to Sancho.

    • @itsagoal182
      @itsagoal182 2 місяці тому

      £50m loss. Still paying £110k wages for him.
      Haha!

    • @JogaBonitofootball
      @JogaBonitofootball 2 місяці тому

      @@itsagoal182 laugh all you want mate, nobody at United is buggered that he’s gone. You forget that these clubs make billions of pounds, they can afford to offload that swine.

    • @itsagoal182
      @itsagoal182 2 місяці тому +1

      @@JogaBonitofootball so much pain, so much hurt!! £50m lost on capital and a further £4.5m lost on paying his wages whilst he plays at CFC. Win win!

    • @janniknielsen9292
      @janniknielsen9292 2 місяці тому +1

      @@itsagoal182 It's not like Sterling has been brilliant business for Chelsea.

    • @JogaBonitofootball
      @JogaBonitofootball 2 місяці тому

      @@itsagoal182 so much pain??😂😂😂😂 okay kid. Whatever helps you feel less 🏳️‍🌈

  • @thepctoolbox
    @thepctoolbox 2 місяці тому +2

    I love it when people say that signing the experienced players from Chelsea will help Arsenal make that final step. They said it with Jorginho, (failed). they said it with Havertz (failed) and they will fail again with Sterling.

    • @mikem8211
      @mikem8211 2 місяці тому

      Bro City have won like 8/11 Prems you think it's easy? They're unstoppable ffs

  • @danielvalentine6647
    @danielvalentine6647 2 місяці тому +1

    No goalkeeper either

  • @Ghmedpage2023
    @Ghmedpage2023 2 місяці тому

    CHECK OUR TOP STRIKERS STATS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS
    MOST PLAYED IN A PERFECT CHELSEA TEAM OTHER THAN NICOS ERA BUT NEVER OUTPERFORMED NICOS NUMBERS.
    THESE ARE THE TOP STRIKERS WE BOUGHT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. WHY I DIDNT FACTOR ABRAHAM.
    DROGBA
    2005 == 10 EPL GOALS
    26 APPEARANCES
    ALL SEASON == 16 GOALS
    41 APPEARANCES
    SHEVCHENKO
    2007 == 4 EPL GOALS
    30 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 14 GOALS
    51 APPEARANCES
    ANELKA
    2007 == 1 EPL GOAL
    HALF SEASON
    14 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 2
    24 APPEARANCES
    TORRES
    2011 = 1 EPL GOAL
    HALF SEASON
    14 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMEZ = 1 GOAL
    18 APPEARANCES
    DEMBA BA
    2013 == 2 EPL GOALS
    14 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 6
    22 APPEARANCES
    ETOO
    2014 == 9 EPL GOALS
    21 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES 12
    35 APPEARANCES
    DIEGO COSTA
    2015 == 20 EPL GOALS
    26 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 21
    37 APPEARANCES
    MORATA
    2018 == 11 EPL GOALS
    31 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 15 GOALS
    48 APPEARANCES
    WERNER
    2021 == 6 EPL GOALS
    35 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 12 GOALS
    52 APPEARANCES
    LUKAKU
    2022 == 8 EPL GOALS
    26 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 15 GOALS
    44 APPEARANCES
    NICO JACK
    2023 == 14 EPL GOALS
    35 APPEARANCES
    ALL GAMES == 17 GOALS
    44 APPEARANCES

    • @Ghmedpage2023
      @Ghmedpage2023 2 місяці тому

      Clearly Jackson is outperforming almost all our past strikers in the last 20 years Bar Diego Costa.

    • @johnwalton251
      @johnwalton251 2 місяці тому

      Are you ok, those are not Anelkas or Drogbas best seasons for Chelsea so I fail to see your point?

    • @Ghmedpage2023
      @Ghmedpage2023 2 місяці тому

      @@johnwalton251 always attacking without reading n understanding the context. First season performances. Read carefully next time you want to make an argument.

    • @Ghmedpage2023
      @Ghmedpage2023 2 місяці тому

      @@johnwalton251 there were years attached and every real Chelsea fan knows it was their first seasons

    • @Ghmedpage2023
      @Ghmedpage2023 2 місяці тому

      @@johnwalton251 next time you want to reply a comment read n understand the context before you attack. The post came with dates and as Chelsea fans we know it was their first season's. Chill bro

  • @ga222-g1k
    @ga222-g1k 2 місяці тому

    Claims to be a Chelsea fan but didn't he leave Chelsea to join Spurs back in the day when spurs a good team and the wernt that much money at Chelsea 😂

    • @HabitualLine-Stepper
      @HabitualLine-Stepper 2 місяці тому

      @ga222-g1k Grown men have families and mortgages to support...
      Support your family or support your team?

  • @rosshaugh7937
    @rosshaugh7937 2 місяці тому

    Why is marbles in the mouth on this show again?! FFS..

  • @ulfanfinneriksen4643
    @ulfanfinneriksen4643 2 місяці тому +1

    Chelsea will be fifth.

  • @stevenmichaels4947
    @stevenmichaels4947 2 місяці тому +3

    I'm not convinced that cundy is a chelsea fan! 😂

  • @chrismeister6498
    @chrismeister6498 2 місяці тому +3

    Losing Sterling hurts more than keeping Mudryk

    • @mikem8211
      @mikem8211 2 місяці тому +1

      We'll take Mudryk off you next season and turn him into a baller aswell don't worry 😂

    • @chrismeister6498
      @chrismeister6498 2 місяці тому +1

      @@mikem8211 Be my guest 😆

  • @altberlin3826
    @altberlin3826 2 місяці тому

    Well your short on players so take it

  • @doubleeph8920
    @doubleeph8920 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm just tired of this worn out narrative about Chelsea needing a striker when we have Nkunku, Jackson and Guiu!
    Nkunku the Bundlesliga top scorer the season before last was signed to be our main striker last season. Injuries robbed us of his quality, now he's back fit and has scored twice already in tbe conference league.
    Chelsea were the 5th highest goal scorers in the league last season behind only the top 3 and Newcastle. We've added more quality in forward areas and look like even more dangerous than last season. We literally scored 6 goals away to Wolves just last week!

    • @rickywheeler9335
      @rickywheeler9335 2 місяці тому

      💯 scoring goals won’t be Chelsea’s problem

    • @janniknielsen9292
      @janniknielsen9292 2 місяці тому +1

      Nkunku is not a striker. He is a supportive attacker. Chelsea rather play Jackson in a striker role, despite he is trying to learn his trade. And Guiu is a Barcelona academy player. When you have spent so much money on players, it is mindboggling that Chelsea focused on an area where they already have an overabundance of players that are struggling to get game time, over focusing on their weakest area of not having a quality striker that could propel Chelsea into a stable Top 6 side.
      Chelsea had the benefits of not playing European football, and in a seasons where most teams aside from Arsenal and City had tons of injuries, which gave benefit to Chelsea's bigger squad.
      Chelsea benefitted from more penalties than any other side with a staggering 12 last season. 11 of which they converted. It's not a reliable source of goals.
      Chelsea scored 6 goals against a Wolves that were in complete turmoil, that showed some of the worst defending in Wolves otherwise storied history of defensive aptitude. Chelsea were outplayed by a Swiss team that were unlucky or not good enough to give Chelsea an early exit.

  • @BoxingNBeards175
    @BoxingNBeards175 2 місяці тому

    Jason candy

  • @JAEGATS
    @JAEGATS 2 місяці тому

    Boehly is terrible man

  • @johncfc6585
    @johncfc6585 2 місяці тому

    Clownlake out

  • @Orillionn
    @Orillionn 2 місяці тому

    thanks in advance for chelsea, taking that rat off our hands ie Jadon Sancho :]

  • @peteytheripper3050
    @peteytheripper3050 2 місяці тому

    Cundy is paid by chels of course he is t gonna say the truth about the window. Weve downgraded gk, downgraded cbs, downgraded midfield. Awful window. 3/10 and two of them points are because of Neto. Disgraceful stuff and arguably our worst window in history considering the downgrades