Why Goku VS Sakuya Isn't Close.

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  • Опубліковано 23 жов 2024
  • WHAT. IS. GOOD!
    I know it's been a while since I've last uploaded, but here I've got a nice video I've been working on for the past month! My friend Jason made the claim that Sakuya Izayoi (Touhou), the chief maid of the Scarlet Devil Mansion, could beat Goku (Dragon Ball Super Anime)! In response, I've decided to make a video figuring out who is the strongest!
    This is was fun to do (Even though it took too long). This is mostly in response to my friend rather than a 100% accurate power scaling video, but I tried my best!
    Music Credit:
    Soul And Mind - E's Jammy Jams
    The Prowler - Daniel Pemberton
    Flowering Night Quartet フラワリングナイト - TAMUSIC
    Super Survivor - Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3
    Chill - Kevin Macleod
    Extend Ash ~ Hourai Victim (Extra Stage theme) - Touhou 8: Imperishable Night OST
    Sneaky Snitch - Kevin Macleod
    Go Beyond The Limits! - Super Dragon Ball Heroes OST
    A Power Beyond God - Super Dragon Ball Heroes OST
    The Clouds Of War Spread - Dragon Ball Z Kai OST
    No More (Unreleased) - Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters OST
    Fleeting Peace - Super Dragon Ball Heroes OST
    Nocturne in E Flat Major (Op. 9 No. 2) - Frédéric Chopin
    CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA - Hironobu Kageyama
    Eastern Night - Touhou 8: Imperishable Night OST
    Tanjobi - Kei Hanekoa

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  • @Lazar-TS
    @Lazar-TS 2 місяці тому +488

    "Oh you can stop time? I don't care it doesn't affect me"
    "Fym it doesn't affect you?"
    "Uhhh because fuck you that's why"

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +90

      💀💀💀

    • @Raidsage
      @Raidsage 2 місяці тому +1

      Sorry bro fuck you and your timestop ability cause I’m goku

    • @Lazar-TS
      @Lazar-TS 2 місяці тому +82

      @@Raidsage "Your sign can't stop me because I can't read."

    • @Dontdoit-mm1bw
      @Dontdoit-mm1bw 2 місяці тому +3

      😂😂😂

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel 2 місяці тому +28

      as if goku wasnt broken enough hes forcing himself to be able to go into future with sheer force no abilities or hax

  • @adamd938
    @adamd938 2 місяці тому +124

    I don’t get why people try to scale touhou, it deadass just doesn’t work
    They have a whole system to make sure no character can go “full power” so trying to scale them is like trying to figure out how skilled a chess player is at chess by only watching them play checkers

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +19

      yea people should stop trying to scale that and start scaling the battle cats

    • @Brabbs
      @Brabbs Місяць тому +4

      Its all about weightclasses. You need to scale a character to another with similar power.

    • @Yuhmei
      @Yuhmei Місяць тому +6

      @@trolledfordripbattle cats mentioned

    • @RandomSkull420
      @RandomSkull420 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@trolledfordrip Fr

    • @ThouOneWhoAsked
      @ThouOneWhoAsked Місяць тому +4

      I banish you to power scaling battle cats

  • @Maanjiro_g
    @Maanjiro_g 2 місяці тому +277

    “stand proud you were strong” - Son Goku

    • @PaukKsta
      @PaukKsta 2 місяці тому +5

      I thought you were stronger!

  • @JustShadowfighterpvp
    @JustShadowfighterpvp 2 місяці тому +51

    Sakuya stops the time…
    Goku starts moving and keep screaming to break the time chamber 💀

  • @Shyguymask
    @Shyguymask 2 місяці тому +128

    For similar reasons, I don't take the popular "Youmu Vs. Future Trunks" matchup seriously at all. It's not even close.

    • @2capi
      @2capi 2 місяці тому +6

      i somehow keep seeing you in the comments section. i don't really remember why you stoped makings videos but hope you are doing well.

    • @tykofgin
      @tykofgin 2 місяці тому +2

      @@2capi💀💀💀

    • @dzeppetto3143
      @dzeppetto3143 2 місяці тому +5

      @@2capi Shyguymask still uplouds just on his second channel (@ShyguymaskPlus). He just parted his ways with challenges (which is a shame as they were fun to watch)

    • @KermitTheGunHolder
      @KermitTheGunHolder 2 місяці тому +2

      I dont watch anime, does Future Trunks win easy?

    • @Shawn-s9x
      @Shawn-s9x 2 місяці тому +4

      @@KermitTheGunHolder Considering Trunks fucked up Time Traveling so much he pretty much CREATED multiple gods, a universe laying owl, a universe outside universes, casually let a mf make a pocket dimension and universe, and has dealt with mfs trying to erase (or have alr done so) universes i'd say yeah he can for sure deal with little girls from basically a fanfiction no matter what speed, strength, or time stopping they have. Oh yeah and he can move through stopped time considering SSJ2R (Super Sayian 2 Rage) is just as strong as Super Sayian Blue Kaioken X1 💀

  • @8bitutopia182
    @8bitutopia182 2 місяці тому +203

    Not gonna lie.
    This is one of the best Touhou powerscaling videos here.
    Not downplaying cuz “lack of on screen feats”, but also not hilariously artificially boosting the verse to like, 7D or Outer or whatever. Goku’s stats are also very very reasonable in this video.
    Touhou has this pretty bad reputation where people will wank it to the highest heavens and take things out of context and use fanmade statements to justify canon. And you just made the perfect video talking about Touhou and how it relates to powerscaling.
    I will say, a little criticism, I don’t think you’ve explained how Touhou gets to Universal? You did explain Infinite speed so thats good, and you also explained Goku’s side. I mean, I know what feats and statements that get Touhou there, but to a viewer who isn’t savvy of Touhou, there’s no context for them.
    Bravo, man. Bravo.

    • @TheWarHammerLordIsComing
      @TheWarHammerLordIsComing 2 місяці тому +2

      @@JoanFarjasPastor It seems that you lost the right eloquence in your argument there, just letters that are all out of place and that hardly fit together, it seems that you were in a rush when writing or that you are just illiterate perhaps, no offense to be clear and direct .

    • @mytargetisgoku
      @mytargetisgoku 2 місяці тому +23

      @@TheWarHammerLordIsComing who’s us, I think he’s completely right, a lot of people high ball characters to a dimension where they are above actual IRL humans as fictional characters with no evidence, looking at you fate fandom

    • @phanton4305
      @phanton4305 2 місяці тому

      ​@@mytargetisgokubatman with prep time. I get he can do stuff normal humans normally can't but come on dude, he's a human. He'd have trouble with a fucking saibaman even with prep time

    • @TheWarHammerLordIsComing
      @TheWarHammerLordIsComing 2 місяці тому +6

      @@mytargetisgoku It must be because they think this is possible, even when in fact it clearly isn't, which creates an inflated and egocentric ego in them, and the correct phrase ''us'' is really poorly fitted, no big deal.

    • @Kiyosandwicheater
      @Kiyosandwicheater 2 місяці тому +4

      Took the words out of my mouth
      This is the best powerscaling video with touhou i have seen in a while

  • @maybe339
    @maybe339 2 місяці тому +326

    Bro thinks she’s Dio

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +103

      She’s actually heavily inspired off of DIO! ZUN doesn’t even try to hide it 🤣

    • @bocahcebol2815
      @bocahcebol2815 2 місяці тому +23

      She's better Dio

    • @samirbelica2358
      @samirbelica2358 2 місяці тому +42

      @@bocahcebol2815Dio is better Sakuya

    • @bocahcebol2815
      @bocahcebol2815 2 місяці тому +11

      @@samirbelica2358 tbf, it can go either way

    • @bobalicous7743
      @bobalicous7743 2 місяці тому +16

      @@bocahcebol2815Dio sulus she doesn’t even have a stand

  • @NotSoGoodDark
    @NotSoGoodDark 2 місяці тому +164

    *Insert name* character is infinitely stronger than Goku because of their 20th dimensional feat(through random statements by this and that chracter/narrations despite them losing to things that're far mundane and below 4d or just mere wit) and their *insert hax name* power.
    Meanwhile Goku: *mercilessly tears through hax abilities on saga-ly bases*

    • @Ohioresident956
      @Ohioresident956 2 місяці тому +26

      Goku is beyond dimensionality

    • @JodaroKujo
      @JodaroKujo 2 місяці тому +24

      @@Ohioresident956Goku is just built different

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 2 місяці тому +9

      I gues it depends on how you interpret Sakuya ability’s, she can be just another silly time stopper or she can be the goddess of time, for some Goku wins for others Sakuya wins it mostly depends on how overpowered you wish to interpret Sakuya

    • @projectmessiah
      @projectmessiah 2 місяці тому +8

      Don't act like most characters don't have inconsistent feats because Goku does too. Bro literally got hurt by a bullet in one Super episode.

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 2 місяці тому +7

      Personally i don't think most characters in all media are anywhere above 3D, not counting time gods and paradoxes and omnipotent gods, and it stems from comic book authors. Comic book authors are not mathematicians and blatantly misunderstand dimensions, but unfortunately its now the basis for dimensionality in all pop media.

  • @thatcreepyguyinthecorner8151
    @thatcreepyguyinthecorner8151 2 місяці тому +29

    I wonder how Flandre scales to Beerus? I’ve read that Flandre can basically crush the “eye” of something and destroy it with no known limitations. That’s pretty crazy

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +13

      Good question. Beerus isn’t the strongest in the verse, but he IS the strongest destroyer… I wonder how that’d go

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug 2 місяці тому +18

      @@Chill.mp4.v2I mean, canonically, she’s kinda like a Saiyan with the whole crazy for battle mindset.
      Oh my god I realised she’s Goku Beerus.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +12

      @@Aaa-vp6ug Goku Beerus sounds extremely dangerous 😭

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug 2 місяці тому +13

      @@Chill.mp4.v2 good thing she’s also canonically a basement dweller.

    • @chainsofscarlet9054
      @chainsofscarlet9054 Місяць тому +1

      If he allows her to use her ability then it's over, otherwise she doesn't stand a chance.

  • @Candy00005
    @Candy00005 Місяць тому +30

    "fuck yo time stop" goku to both hit and sakuya

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      Errmm actually hit skiped time not stopped It☝️🤓

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel Місяць тому +1

      @@killer7591 see you're back at it again

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      @@XenMel This time i was more to a joke sided bro...

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel Місяць тому +1

      @@killer7591 You just keep coming back like a little pup

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      @@XenMel cry about it ig?

  • @Hareith0
    @Hareith0 2 місяці тому +71

    bro if this guy don't get more subs, imma start tweakin cause he deserves atleast 10k

  • @Appledirt
    @Appledirt 2 місяці тому +7

    I disagree with a lot of this video but I do think Goku would win.
    First of all, it's never stated nor shown that "raw strength can overcome hax". In fact theres several situations in which it explicilty doesn't, like Shin paralyzing a full-power Gohan who was leagues beyond him. The only actual example is Vegito still being able to act while candy, and while their is an explaination of Vegito being able to keep his strength even if his form changes, that's from supplimentary media and may or may not be canon.
    The two fights vs Hit are arguments either for the statement of strength overpowering hax or of saying Goku transcends time. I think this comes from a misunderstanding of how Hit's ability works. He doesn't stop time, he skips it. People still move, but only along their predetermined actions; they can't react to anything. Goku defended by predicting him, so he already was going to move, thus not needing to react. He later is able to resist the paralysis during the skipped time because it's a ki ability, and strength *can* overcome those, since the strength comes from ki too.
    During the second battle he simply broke the dimension Hit was storing the time in to nullify his ability. Which is a great feat, don't get me wrong, but it isn't an example of transcending time or overpowering hax.
    Finally with the speed. You first used Instant Transmission to claim Goku has infinite speed, even though its teleportation and thus an ability unrelated to speed. The Cooler movie is non-canon and uses a different system for instant transmission than the main canon, before that's broight up
    Secondly, the argument about moving in the void giving him immesurable speed doesn't make sense. I see this argued a lot in power scaling and I genuinely don't understand it. Just because nothing's there doesn't mean everything that goes there is frozen? If there's a reason for this please tell me
    The point I disagree with the most is the last one. I can't tell if it was serious or not, but powerscaling characters isn't disrespectful to the creator. If the creator explicitly says they don"t want it then respect their wishes, but otherwise, the only problem is how disrespectful most power scalers are. There seems to be a prevaling notion that a stronger character is somehow better so people will get into arguments and fight tooth and nail for their character to win, when that's against the entire spirit of power scaling. Power scaling is a way to express your love for the characters and to learn more about them by debating their abilities and strength, not some dick measuring contest. So in short, power scaling isn't disrespectful, it's just that many power scalers are

  • @youdontneedtoknow9919
    @youdontneedtoknow9919 2 місяці тому +88

    very nice. well paced, and great research. i am most definitely a random person and not the cause of this videos existence.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +5

      @@youdontneedtoknow9919 Thank you for watching dawg, this was fun to make 💀🙏

    • @RevenantRants
      @RevenantRants 2 місяці тому +2

      I bet you're proud of yourself.

    • @Chris_HT
      @Chris_HT 2 місяці тому +7

      @@RevenantRantsWhy does this feel so passive aggressive💀

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому

      on my soul it is

  • @Ilovepeggleohyeah100
    @Ilovepeggleohyeah100 Місяць тому +6

    She isn’t gokuversal end of story

  • @FrizzRizz
    @FrizzRizz 2 місяці тому +9

    Nah if she hear "i hears you were strong" she's done

  • @zurku_xeno
    @zurku_xeno 2 місяці тому +54

    Good video. As someone who loves both Dragon Ball and Touhou Project
    Touhou Scalers tends to forget Dragon Ball’s cosmology is quite larger than Touhou’s cosmology by a UNGODLY amount.
    Scaling Touhou characters can be a hustle, even if you wanna bring other stuff like 12.3 and Lost Word to boost up its cosmology but Dragon Ball has stuff like Super Dragon Ball Heroes, Xenoverse and other games to back up its cosmology as well.

    • @FectoStyle4433
      @FectoStyle4433 2 місяці тому +1

      hi zurku

    • @SonGoku59249
      @SonGoku59249 2 місяці тому +3

      Sdbh is overkill

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      yea cosmology helps a lot i.e take springtrap vs cyn from murder drone yes she would win in = cosmology and in 2 out of 3 spring trap forms the one she does not beat get's carried by the fnaf world cosmology

    • @PookieSorcerer
      @PookieSorcerer Місяць тому +1

      ​@@trolledfordripnever cook again

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      @@PookieSorcerer what i was bringing up a point where a character who seems to be far more powerful gets beat by a weaker one due to the weaker one's cosmology

  • @arandomgamer9317
    @arandomgamer9317 2 місяці тому +27

    Time stop has always been a weird thing to implement, especially against fast characters
    No character can fully freeze time. That would stop light from moving, and stop gravity from working, and prevent electrons from moving causing the temperature to plummet to absolute zero
    The most logical explanation for time “stops” is that they slow it down so much that no creature can move, but atoms still can
    This means that light can still reflect, albeit slowly which could cause the whole “it looks like they are standing still”
    It also lets temperature be survivable, though the user wouldn’t be able to use it forever or they’d freeze
    If actually love to see a character with these kind of drawbacks. Like, yeah they could almost completely freeze time, but they wouldn’t be able to see and would freeze if they use it for too long

    • @castergilgamesh1778
      @castergilgamesh1778 2 місяці тому +3

      Fire force

    • @mishaamyousuf1834
      @mishaamyousuf1834 2 місяці тому +6

      It's fiction

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +2

      or they themselves are the only one who time is not stopped for and anything that touchs them i.e knifes also stops being time stopped but only when the person is touching them

  • @bruhbrehii
    @bruhbrehii 2 місяці тому +24

    9:55 Dude this is actually beautiful.

  • @SillyGreeniesAndVeggies
    @SillyGreeniesAndVeggies 2 місяці тому +5

    2:57 well i didint expect much, but i guess this is the catch for sakuya power scaling

  • @Murknium
    @Murknium 2 місяці тому +18

    ngl, Sakuya without the Spell Card rules would still be way weaker than Son Goku
    but, what about Reimu Hakurei (i'm considering her "Float" ability from the lore), i'm unsure if any would win, or if her "Float" (more like plot armor) ability would not let Kakarot and Reimu meet (probably for the good)

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +2

      yea i would take it being a tie or never happing remember she never loses not she always wins

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому +1

      Sakuya got one of the most busted hacks in the tohou series (funny considering she is not even a top tier in her verse mayhe cuz spell card rules but idk) so she really aint weak there is so many things she can do that Goku can't resist, oh yeah and Reimu vs Goku is a straight up slam since Goku cant kill Reimu and from what i remenber she can attack the soul.

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel Місяць тому

      dont listen to the guy named killer7591 if you don't wanna deal with disabled children ig

    • @Murknium
      @Murknium Місяць тому +1

      @@killer7591 wait, i forgot about the "attack the soul" part, maybe she'd win-

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      @@Murknium ki is soul energy so no but it would hurt a bit more then normal

  • @chilpalendo
    @chilpalendo 2 місяці тому +85

    Realize this is just goku without guidebooks. With guidebooks he's outer.

    • @joelsilva4176
      @joelsilva4176 2 місяці тому +12

      And not even with the games(with are Cannon, even XenoVerse).

    • @alibeknorbekov5963
      @alibeknorbekov5963 2 місяці тому +8

      ​@@joelsilva4176 yea
      Dbs goku (CC goku, yeah, it's actually the same character)
      He's Multiple layers into Outerversal in base form and it's a lowball
      Recent Rebunk of Dragon Ball scaling completely changed everything

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +10

      you can get goku to multiple layers into outer without guides or using the otherworld or arales scale. This guy lowballed but used a simple and fair scale so im not really hung up Abt it.

    • @a2jin449
      @a2jin449 2 місяці тому +1

      With the guidebooks and interviews hes easily Boundless

    • @WIMouse
      @WIMouse 2 місяці тому +4

      @@alibeknorbekov5963dbs and CC Goku are but aren’t the same

  • @yo-uu9tn
    @yo-uu9tn Місяць тому +3

    Ehhh... in Imperishable Night, the corridor wasn't really infinite. Reisen was sealing all the door on her way to block the protagonists' way. So after defeating Reisen, they began to open doors and _just look at this luck_ ,they found Kaguya.
    It is said to be "infinite" in Urban Legend in Limbo, but there isn't even infinite too. There were minuscule gaps in space-time with were infinitely linked with each other simulating to be infinite. (They literally said "can we have Endless Stairs?" "We have endless stair at home")

  • @joelgaynor
    @joelgaynor 2 місяці тому +12

    Finally a great scaling video. Feels so nice and chill.

    • @abdeljalalrachdimali350
      @abdeljalalrachdimali350 Місяць тому

      He low balled goku tho

    • @joelgaynor
      @joelgaynor Місяць тому +1

      @@abdeljalalrachdimali350 Yeah i know. But it was at least refreshing change to see an much more honest Touhou vs Dragonball vid

  • @taxcollector9543
    @taxcollector9543 2 місяці тому +68

    "Goku beats this" and "Gokus beats that"
    We gotta start asking the REAL questions
    *But can they beat Spongebob?*

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +15

      yeah. Spongebob dosent have enough AP or DC to hurt goku. hax wise he has low to mid level reality warping he dosent get past pre android saga goku.

    • @ibrahimoday-r5c
      @ibrahimoday-r5c 2 місяці тому +1

      Yes

    • @FrigibaxBeBalling
      @FrigibaxBeBalling 2 місяці тому +9

      SpongeBob erased the universe with a pencil.. we’re not gonna talk about that

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому +4

      Goku? Yes, absolutely, Sakuya? No.

    • @Medo-zq2rg
      @Medo-zq2rg 2 місяці тому

      No.

  • @R-team-field-commander
    @R-team-field-commander 2 місяці тому +13

    I shall be honest, I usually don't like/care for powerscaling videos (powerscaling can get wonky depending on the series, source materials and especially if it's between different universes), but this one was really well done and the first one, at least from the arguments or analysis I saw, to use as a point the nature of Ki allowing protection/nullification, at least to a degree, towards hax if the character is stronger than the other by a certain margin, so you get my like.
    Still things like these always make you wonder about the potential interactions between characters of different works....... Meiling interacting with most of the people of the dragonball universe would be very cool.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +5

      This ^
      “Who would win?” is a cool question, but “How would they interact?” is a much more interesting question to me 🙂‍↕️

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +3

      current goku would treat sakuya like a kid. goku has like 2 more years before he enters the grandpa stage. (not losing his prime power or growing old old but yknow staying home and not going off planet. playing with pan or chilling w his fam)

    • @Susuhitem
      @Susuhitem 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@Chill.mp4.v2 would make sense how about the character interact with them? Not like fighting them literally

  • @pric3lessl0s3r5
    @pric3lessl0s3r5 2 місяці тому +12

    Wow this video is really good like damn, one of the most refreshing powerscaling videos I've seen in a long time that is honest and very humble with what you're trying to say, as a fan of both series I definitely understood your sentiment at the end of the video and your analysis of how Zun writes his characters/world/abilities etc. This is the type of content and opinions I wish we could have in the community

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +5

      Thank you, bro. I’ve seen all your comments and I’m glad to know someone else understands the point of the video instead of taking it so seriously 😂

    • @gregkareem9824
      @gregkareem9824 Місяць тому

      U again

  • @DarkCT
    @DarkCT 2 місяці тому +64

    Touhou is one of my favorite series, but trying to pair Sakuya vs Goku especially post DBS is... yeah no. Sakuya is strong, but it's questionable how she stacks in her own setting these days, especially considering the big names, let alone Goku of all people outside of that. she just didn't have it here.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +22

      @@DarkCT agreed. each series has stupidly strong characters, but Goku just has more feats to show off, and it’s hard to show off all of Sakuya’s full strength without guessing‼️

    • @DarkCT
      @DarkCT 2 місяці тому +12

      @@Chill.mp4.v2 exactly. it also doesn't help that even the feats we do know about are under Touhou's rules, which are frequently based around the spell card system. Sakuya is amazing to watch, don't get me wrong, i think my favorite interp of Touhou is MinusT's animated series, where recently she had a blade fight with Youmu, but... you'd need to pick someone else to go against Goku. at least pick Marisa for the hopes of a Magical vs Beam struggle.

    • @pric3lessl0s3r5
      @pric3lessl0s3r5 2 місяці тому +13

      ​@@DarkCTyup this, with Touhous powercscaling and vagueness in abilities I would consider this video the most generous scale for her feats and showcases.

    • @literallytohruadachi
      @literallytohruadachi 2 місяці тому +15

      plus sakuya herself isnt even top top tier in her verse (hecatia, yorihime, eirin, junko)
      also considering the fact the extent of most character's power (their peak) isnt even shown and we have to use statements by ZUN or form our own hypothesis

    • @devolution-wt9ou
      @devolution-wt9ou 2 місяці тому +2

      sakyua may be cooked but remiu just has graze, her hitbox is tiny as shit

  • @59foofighter15
    @59foofighter15 2 місяці тому +6

    I watched this on the toilet, greatest shit of my life

  • @Lucky_Looch1
    @Lucky_Looch1 2 місяці тому +8

    right when i heard all she could do is stop time and throw inf amount of knifes i new it was over and goku slams in 1 hit

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому +2

      I mean she also has spatial manipulation and erasure and some alternate timeline stuff

    • @teqhchaser
      @teqhchaser 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@nuclearbirdutsuhoallat just for goku to still one shot

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому

      @@teqhchaser nah more like goku gets one shot

    • @teqhchaser
      @teqhchaser 2 місяці тому +5

      @@nuclearbirdutsuho i could never cope this badly

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому

      @@teqhchaser same

  • @dsm2417
    @dsm2417 2 місяці тому +5

    This was a really good video and scaling of Goku, I just think Goku scales higher but the feats you presented specially stamina were really good.

  • @XenMel
    @XenMel 2 місяці тому +55

    I don't know why people put the most random characters against Goku who is already extremely broken in base form alone

    • @sspeed1234
      @sspeed1234 2 місяці тому +1

      Mainly so they can yap abt how they solo Goku for some reason :/

    • @coolstraw7682
      @coolstraw7682 Місяць тому +2

      @@sspeed1234ngl goku fans yap about him soloing characters all the time so its balanced xd.. (only character i can think of that solos goku would just be godoka and god homura and PERHAPS yukari)

    • @sspeed1234
      @sspeed1234 Місяць тому +1

      @@coolstraw7682 atleast he’s not some random person in a maid outfit💀

    • @coolstraw7682
      @coolstraw7682 Місяць тому +1

      @@sspeed1234 random person is crazy... you should play touhou ngl its very fun.. atleast shes not some guy who's only ability is screaming

    • @favourwesleydragunbol9067
      @favourwesleydragunbol9067 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@coolstraw7682the thing is that most of the times goku actually solos. Tf is a maid gonna do? Cook some poisoned food?

  • @DzBPlays
    @DzBPlays 2 місяці тому +3

    My goat never loses

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      oh no i hope a giant starfish does not come from the sky and NO diff goku
      jokes aside goku the goat fr

    • @DzBPlays
      @DzBPlays Місяць тому +1

      @@trolledfordrip Giant starfish? Haha, why would that happen?

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      @@DzBPlays scp

    • @DzBPlays
      @DzBPlays Місяць тому +1

      @@trolledfordrip scp characters when they experience the unbridled power of Goku's backshots

    • @trolledfordrip
      @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

      @@DzBPlays nah killing by taking backshots is an scp's way of killing

  • @astrangecheese3939
    @astrangecheese3939 2 місяці тому +11

    This video was (and I quote), an absolute BANGER!

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +2

      THANK YOU DAWG🙏😭

    • @YansYaYam
      @YansYaYam Місяць тому

      ​@@Chill.mp4.v2Your welcome big dawg 😘

  • @karnifall
    @karnifall 2 місяці тому +2

    This is quite literally the best Touhou powerscaling video I've ever seen

  • @killer7591
    @killer7591 2 місяці тому +9

    Oh yeah i think there is also a debate on vs battle wiki on how Sakuya beats Goku.

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому +4

      It's vs battles, what are you waiting for?

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому +5

      @@yeikelamores6085 Vs battles straight up scaled akyuu, a pretty much normal human power wise to city block level and infinite speed lol

    • @PaukKsta
      @PaukKsta 2 місяці тому +1

      @@nuclearbirdutsuho cause they use a very questionable feat from touhou 8 that gives everyone infinite speed (it doesnt)

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому +1

      @@PaukKsta Kaguya a character who manipulates eternity created an infinite hallway which the protagonists of touhou 8 crossed, the hallway is stated to be infinite and the creator certainly has the ability to do so, i mean she also created a potion that makes you 100% immortal

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel 2 місяці тому +7

      she caps at Universal+ get her past Cell Saga Goku

  • @DeadMedia-vf4je
    @DeadMedia-vf4je Місяць тому +1

    I agree with your points mostly but Goku in the show has seen to be outsmarted like having laxative snuck into his food wich messes him up he can be outsmarted easily I mean sometimes he would just seem to forget he has a family at times
    Basically what I’m saying is that anything that isn’t straight up fighting is vary difficult for him as he’s shown to be the kind of person to fight first think later I mean that’s literally how he got ultra instinct he just pulled an Okuu and used his lack of thinking to make himself stronger beyond comparison so I’m not entirely sure about infinit intelligence but the rest of the video was great

  • @ortanicallity
    @ortanicallity 2 місяці тому +7

    yo, I went into this vid and watched it thinking you were pretty well known already... I thought my eyes were jit deceiving me when I saw your sub count, this vid was so well made, ur hella underrated bro

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +2

      @@ortanicallity THANK U BRO 😭🙏

  • @greensparrow103gaming3
    @greensparrow103gaming3 2 місяці тому +6

    Nice. Very digestible. Definitely enjoyed this power scaling more than anything I have before.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      @@greensparrow103gaming3 thank you! I tried making this video as entertaining as possible, so I’m glad you had fun watching it!

  • @choppingbossTheSonOfEmoG
    @choppingbossTheSonOfEmoG 2 місяці тому +5

    This power scaling is extremely accurate this video is an amazing resource tbh. I just think you gassed up instant transmission too much, he has to take time to find a target and move his fingers to his head, so its definitely not instant.

  • @Gundamstopmotionstudios1457
    @Gundamstopmotionstudios1457 2 місяці тому +2

    When i was on the part when you said Goku can go beyond hits time skip i instant knew she was cooked

  • @Vegito-Blue-1337
    @Vegito-Blue-1337 2 місяці тому +8

    I always knew this, goku beats Sakuya given he broke time in the U6 vs U7 saga.

  • @colton5363
    @colton5363 2 місяці тому +9

    Damn bro you did good with this one

  • @avierizzz
    @avierizzz 2 місяці тому +6

    It would be cool to see you analyzing Yukari Yakumo, she's far more strong than Sakuya.

  • @tao_1
    @tao_1 Місяць тому +2

    goku getting ready to fight sakuya only to learn that he has to follow the spell card rules (his ass does NOT know what a danmaku is)

  • @Robloxian0712
    @Robloxian0712 2 місяці тому +4

    Ngl whoever thought Sakuya would win ima be honest they was probally not seen dragon ball or some simp or somethin or a goku hater cuz just -_- bro is right it’s not even close at all Sakuya can stop time but like first of all depends how long she can stop time #2 like bro said at the end basically you can skip time and it doesn’t mean sh if the other's ki is above yours -_-

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      Dont go around saying Goku beats Sakuya without even knowing she can stop time forever...

    • @Robloxian0712
      @Robloxian0712 Місяць тому

      ⁠​⁠@@killer7591bro like the guy said at 8:35 basically if they’re ki is higher then the others so if his ki is higher she is fucked

    • @Robloxian0712
      @Robloxian0712 Місяць тому

      @@killer7591I also seen on your own comment for when you said why he wasn’t to withstand whis's time reverse or hits time skip well simple #1 whis is an angel who is farrrrrr stronger then a god of destruction #2 goku didn’t use the kaioken yet on hit so his ki was stronger then goku's untill goku hit the kaioken x10 and you would know this if you actually watched dragon ball

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      What about Guldo

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      They couldn’t resist his time stop could they?

  • @FCTouhou
    @FCTouhou 2 місяці тому +7

    Touhou characters can be be scaled with the cosmology with string theory and the dream world, reaching from high complex multiversal for standard characters like Sakuya, Sanae, Marisa to high hyper with youkai and gods and even low outer for gods nameless/true form. There are quite a few videos detailing the cosmology in power scaling terms

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      @@FCTouhou Oh really? Let me know where to find these videos it sounds interesting!!

    • @FCTouhou
      @FCTouhou 2 місяці тому +2

      Can't seem to find the reimu vs Reaper but there is Dream&Error&Nightmare sans vs Doremy sweet by hexycupcake that goes to the same proofs. But still Iyaruine channel is the best explained

    • @FCTouhou
      @FCTouhou 2 місяці тому +1

      Also found out another scale of @Iyaruine specifically for reimu in a short

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому +1

      The complex multiversal High sounds credible for a Highball, but outerversal? nah

    • @TheWarHammerLordIsComing
      @TheWarHammerLordIsComing 2 місяці тому +1

      interesting, so basically touhou cosmology is subatomic level? You also just need to send valid scans with feats to concretely demonstrate everything you said.

  • @LOCKED-ON
    @LOCKED-ON 2 місяці тому +5

    Honestly really loved the video and editing. I’m looking forward to whatever you have next.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +3

      I’ve got some more video ideas cooking I won’t disappoint 👨🏻‍🍳🔥

  • @doctorwho3708
    @doctorwho3708 Місяць тому +1

    "You broke my mistress house!?"
    "S-sorry. I did try to keep it to the garden like you ask! Im sorry!"

  • @Neramitas
    @Neramitas 2 місяці тому +5

    Hello there,
    Personally disagree with the ratings for the characters but very clear and concise analysis of the characters that also gets into detail, especially with the comparison 'chart' at the end of their statistics and how they stack up against eachother, makes things very easy to understand.
    I actually wouldn't go so far as calling Multiversal Sakuya wank, especially since I've scaled Touhou myself for a long time and in my ratings for verse I have Sakuya being higher than Universal+ and also with Immeasurable speed, and also have seen scales and people arguing for Goku getting him higher than Low Multi from friends of mine.
    I still believe Goku does beat Sakuya though it also may ultimately depend on interpretation for what you buy for them and especially so in Sakuya's case because I always see various differing opinions on where Touhou scales, but I will stick with my own ratings and my opinions as well.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +2

      @@Neramitas Hey!
      I do agree that interpretation is a big factor when it comes to scaling characters and matching them up with one another.
      The “wank” part was more so a joke rather than me really thinking it’s wank, so I hope that didn’t come off back handed.
      I respect your opinion and I’m glad you were respectful and honest about your thoughts!

    • @Medo-zq2rg
      @Medo-zq2rg 2 місяці тому +2

      Oh, hi there, Megatooth.
      I didn't expect to see you here.

    • @TheWarHammerLordIsComing
      @TheWarHammerLordIsComing 2 місяці тому +2

      The only thing missing is Sakuya's tiering being universally+ concretely proven along with its supposed immeasurable speed without feats yet.

  • @beathemediocre.8403
    @beathemediocre.8403 2 місяці тому +1

    Should mention that she's comparable to characters that can shake the heavens, and 'heavens' in touhou are stated to be many, as many gods there are in touhou actually (approximately 80 million.) there's also arguments for immeasurable speed touhou (mostly stuff from touhou 18.)

  • @X3m.Gaming
    @X3m.Gaming 2 місяці тому +5

    this video is right. touhou on porpose has almost no information on anything because the whole point of it is that you can do anything in fan made works. its especially impossible to powerscale because most of touhou powerscaling comes from hacks instead of strenght anyways.
    also sonic loses in a race to aya. i wont take debates on this :D

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 2 місяці тому

      Sonic's lowest possible speed is like, sound speed, and Aya's lowest possible speed is somewhere in the massively hypersonic+ range, going off of Remilia circling around the moon in not much time at all. Going by low ball alone Aya is way faster.

    • @SonGoku59249
      @SonGoku59249 2 місяці тому +2

      Archie sonic slams

    • @Zoneism
      @Zoneism 2 місяці тому

      @@uboa8060 his lowest speed is like FTL, he has multiple statements saying he can go or even beyond light speed

    • @Zoneism
      @Zoneism 2 місяці тому

      @@X3m.Gaming no sonic slams

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      ​@@SonGoku59249wont try to debate since im not fully sure how strong is archie sonic and he is indeed pretty busted

  • @Oaitain
    @Oaitain 2 місяці тому +2

    Honestly, Goku would win, but in the end, Touhou or Small or big Fights with Goku end up talking or ending up as friends. Unless... They end up in the Genocidal Person, and Goku has no choice but to kill'em.

  • @Kakarotto-Lq84i
    @Kakarotto-Lq84i 2 місяці тому +18

    I thought that said Sukuna

    • @nuclearbirdutsuho
      @nuclearbirdutsuho 2 місяці тому +11

      Sukuna is getting cooked by both of them💀

    • @bobalicous7743
      @bobalicous7743 2 місяці тому +6

      Oh yeah nah Sukuna island level fodder

    • @sammptus
      @sammptus 2 місяці тому +4

      lmao kid goku is overkill against sukuna
      (kid goku was moon level)
      (he fought roshi as a kid and roshi destroyed the moon so like)

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому

      ​@@bobalicous7743 Not even that, from what i heard he is smal city level💀🙏 (i think)

  • @rednayru
    @rednayru Місяць тому +1

    seeing touhou fans in a comment section is like finding a shiny pokemon

  • @alvinvalentino5797
    @alvinvalentino5797 2 місяці тому +4

    You should do More Touhou Matchups
    These Videos are Great

  • @Fujiwara.Takumi
    @Fujiwara.Takumi Місяць тому +3

    Goku litterally gives sakuya 1k generations of backshots she is finished wallahi

  • @Matrriiix
    @Matrriiix 2 місяці тому +3

    By far one of the best videos I've seen, definitely getting a sub.

  • @ProjectSorolf
    @ProjectSorolf Місяць тому +8

    A... surprisingly solid video, wow. I have some issues that I'll go over, but I respect what was done.
    Sakuya
    In terms of Attack Potency and Durability, I believe it's fair to make both equal unless stated otherwise, considering most Touhou characters are 1:1 with their strength and durability.
    Sakuya scales above the likes of Shinki who created and destroyed Makai (Uni+ feat).
    She scales above Clownpiece, the latter is confirmed twice to be as strong as a Kishin. Unfortunately, we don't know how strong the average Kishin is, but we can make an assumption based on another character.
    Suika destroyed parts of Heaven which range between Uni+ or Low Multi. More than likely low Multi as she destroyed a fraction of heaven (more on that later). She also implied the feat she performed is something other Onis are capable of doing. So, Clownpiece should have the AP capable of doing the same (probably not the range though)
    Heaven is made of multiple realms. They are larger than the Netherworld, and the Netherworld is larger than Hell which is infinite in size.
    Basically, consider Heaven similar (if not greater) than the Uni7 macrosm in terms of scope. (Having multiple parts + each part being larger than a realm larger than an infinite-sized realm).
    Sakuya > Clownpiece (severely), so Sakuya upscale from either Uni+ (lowball) to Low Multi (midball) [There are arguments for higher dimensions, but I don't want to argue those cause I'm bad at em]. There's more to argue, like Tenshi's Low Multi (minimum) feat, but this is already long.
    In terms of Speed, there is a scaling chain and like... three immeasurable speed feats and 1 inaccessible speed feat (assuming anyone cares for that, I don't). Sakuya has two attacks that operate on the past, present, and future. Condensing them so that the target is assaulted by all three points in time. Characters can dodge this attack (Aka, dodging an attack from the past and future through raw speed).
    Keep in mind that every speed feat is done casually.
    Goku - Okay, I have a few problems with him. The easiest one is the "nice complex hax".
    No. Goku cannot negate hax so long as he's stronger than his foe. It's a common misconception, but looking through the entire franchise basically debunks that notion. 99% of the time, the ability in question works as intended. Rare cases (like Buu vs Vegito) still works, in fact the Dazenshuu (cannot spell it) straight up tells us that Vegito's "unique" property is what helped him keep his strength as a candy. Every single one of Buu's techniques worked, except half the effect of his candy beam which didn't work because of special properties of Vegito, not because he was stronger.
    Some Dragon Ball abilities simply have that weakness, even Hit in the Manga does. You can't apply that logic to Abilities outside of the verse, when even in the verse that negation ability is locked to a select few Abilities and there's plenty of cases of Abilities working on stronger foes.

    • @ProjectSorolf
      @ProjectSorolf Місяць тому +4

      In terms of abilities, I don't think you gave Sakuya enough respect (imo). With her full arsenal, Sakuya can
      Slow down attacks that enter her vicinity
      Teleport
      Summon alternate versions of herself
      Create forcefields
      Boost her stats
      Resurrect
      Befome intangible
      Become invulnerable
      Reflect attacks
      Has homing attacks
      Can erase things from existence
      Radiation inducing (Goku can still get ill, but maybe it wouldn't work-)
      Durability Negation
      Briefly Nullify powers
      Reduce someone's stats
      Heal
      Telekinesis
      Ice Manipulation (Goku can get frozen)
      And she actually CAN accelerate the age of objects or people, and even erase them from time and space.
      This doesn't include universal abilities every character in Touhou has. For example.
      Her attacks can steal someone's energy and empower herself with it
      Transmutation (projectiles)
      Regenerate her soul (and maybe even survive without one for a period of time?)
      And more.
      Many of these things are stuff Goku can't negate. And as the fight continues, Goku will most likely be getting weaker while Sakuya continues to grow stronger. So, imo, Sakuya wins. Especially since I didn't even include everything she can do.

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому +3

      In a few words, Sakuya solos

    • @oil9954
      @oil9954 Місяць тому +1

      That's a good one, I also believe the creator severly underestimated Sakuya, but it was an okay video nonetheless.

  • @vixmix3157
    @vixmix3157 2 місяці тому +3

    This is very well put together and I say that not knowing most of the terms from either series

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you, I made it as digestible as possible for someone who doesn’t know either series. I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!

  • @sai4998
    @sai4998 2 місяці тому +5

    The way you talk about goku makes my wee wee tingle I'll be subbing

    • @chaosblitz1352
      @chaosblitz1352 2 місяці тому +1

      tf!?

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +1

      My glorious king def has done that to me before. no diddy.

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +1

      you wouldn't understand.

    • @chaosblitz1352
      @chaosblitz1352 2 місяці тому +1

      @@crashtime3429 lmao, I don't think I want to

    • @Bumderduck
      @Bumderduck 2 місяці тому

      ​@@crashtime3429💀, this just sounds corny , ig I just must stay away from the DB community for now

  • @thecoolwebber4344
    @thecoolwebber4344 2 місяці тому +4

    I actually did read the list of abilities you put for goku

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      @@thecoolwebber4344 OH REALLY 😭 it’s super long so it must’ve taken a bit 💀

    • @truecarman
      @truecarman 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Chill.mp4.v2it actually took me like 5 minutes to

  • @KOFRE._.
    @KOFRE._. 2 місяці тому +8

    I ain't even finished the video and i know goku wins

  • @Yakumo_Yukari17
    @Yakumo_Yukari17 2 місяці тому +5

    2:46 Smoothhhhhhhh

  • @nickhollow
    @nickhollow 2 місяці тому +4

    You forgot one thing.
    Mortal Realm is 3D Hell is 4D Heaven is at least inf 4d. Now the Cosmology can reach between 5-8D due to the dimensional scaling of the Kaioshin Realm and the Neutral Zone. Now, through the King Kai scan, it's stated that the Kaioshin Realm is at least 2 dimensions above Heaven, placing it at 6D. Now the Neutral Zone scales at least 1-2 dimensions above the highest dimension in the macrocosm, due to it being the void that seperates each of the universes in Universe 7.
    Now, I'll talk in the sense that the Kaishin Realm is on the same dimensional leveling as Heaven. That puts U7 at least at 5-6D.
    So goku can be scaled up to 6D to low complex multiversal.
    Edit: I was wrong on that one Goku is 5D.

  • @KakoRuraOumijia
    @KakoRuraOumijia 2 місяці тому +3

    211 subscribers but has such giga funny content... and making a power scaling video funny & fair? Now that's a feat in it of itself... *I'm subscribing.*

  • @Mindless029
    @Mindless029 2 місяці тому +3

    First video i’ve watched from you and already subscribed.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      Welcome to the club 🗣️🔥

  • @ianssjg_gd
    @ianssjg_gd 2 місяці тому +4

    I deadass thought you had 5k subscribers, not 500 😭 (Im your 500th subscriber)

  • @ZENBOUND_X
    @ZENBOUND_X 2 місяці тому +3

    DUDE YOU NEED MORE SUB FR!!! But That aside the Editing,The Audio,The Cleanliness of the video was top tier and The Explanation was so into detail i love it

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      @@ZENBOUND_X THANK YOU BRO I WANTED THIS TO BE THE BEST IT COULD BE 💯

  • @cyrillaville2367
    @cyrillaville2367 2 місяці тому +5

    touhou is very hard to powerscale everyone is basically playin magic paintball (fights are non lethal due to spellcard rules) giving very little feats in terms of AP or defense
    the haxx in touhou is completely insane but very vague with some characters having abilities that are never showcased (like remilia having the ability to manipulate fate whetever tf that means XD)
    some characters in there prob can wipe goku (yuyuko's ability is litterally the death note with no counters limitations or ways to resist it the ability itself says it has no counter unless you can revive yourself you prob toast) but even then it's hard to say for sure with dragon balls haxx nullification

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +2

      Exactly!!!! These two series’s powers and abilities are so busted 💀

    • @SonGoku59249
      @SonGoku59249 2 місяці тому

      You know which is harder
      Scale Xeno Goku arcade.

    • @cyrillaville2367
      @cyrillaville2367 2 місяці тому

      @@SonGoku59249 at least he's got feats and his abilities make more sense than whatever tf is going on in touhou XD
      most touhou character don't have any feats and the abilities don't have clear limits or sometimes we don't even have a clue as to how they work (again tf is fate manipulation ?)

    • @terrieorz5204
      @terrieorz5204 Місяць тому

      ​@@cyrillaville2367Fate Manipulation is the ability to control the destiny of everything. E.g. if someone is fated to die by a snake bite you can change their fate to die by a fall from a tall building or make them not die at all.

  • @Thelamestgamer01
    @Thelamestgamer01 2 місяці тому +3

    This video fire dawg🔥🔥🔥

  • @zoroarkeon
    @zoroarkeon 2 місяці тому +7

    bro cooked hard

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      IT’S ALL I CAN DO 👨🏻‍🍳🔥‼️🗣️🔊

  • @Sean-ee6op
    @Sean-ee6op 2 місяці тому +4

    Great video man , the editing is great! You're underrated, looking forward to ur next vids

  • @Numark251
    @Numark251 2 місяці тому +1

    Dude this editing is so good for a small channel, subbed!

  • @moustafaelkady4913
    @moustafaelkady4913 2 місяці тому +5

    Curious George solos both of them

    • @vfhrgdgd8983
      @vfhrgdgd8983 2 місяці тому

      𝚈𝚎𝚜 𝚑𝚎 𝓼𝓸𝓵𝓸𝓼 🄲🅄🅉 𝔦𝔪 𝔡𝔲𝔪𝔟

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 Місяць тому +1

      As someo e who watched curious George in my childhood, he indeed negs no concept of dificulty

  • @Nout024B
    @Nout024B 2 місяці тому +2

    Wait only 223 subs?? Wtf is dis, this youtuber's vids are worth 100k subs levels u deserve more

  • @WawkWakw
    @WawkWakw 2 місяці тому +3

    proud of being the 176th subscribher, thought this channel had more by the editing quality, kinda shocked by the actual sub count lol

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      @@WawkWakw WELCOME TO THE CLUB WAWKWAKW 🗣️🔥

    • @WawkWakw
      @WawkWakw 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Chill.mp4.v2 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO 💥🔥

  • @crashtime3429
    @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +4

    By the way this was very entertaining all vsbw talk aside. Subbed.

  • @WichoCollectz
    @WichoCollectz 2 місяці тому +7

    Bro how tf does this temu dio beats true ultra instinct lil boi💀

  • @uboa8060
    @uboa8060 2 місяці тому +2

    You could bump touhou's cosmology way up because it works on string theory. I forget where its stated but I would imagine it'd be something in the CD albums, cause Renko's whole thing is believing in the science and trying to find an objective answer to the strange happenings of her and Maribel's adventures, so she probably mentions string theory somewhere.
    I also don't think that either goku or Sakuya have anything near infinite speed, most of the stuff with Goku is just dragon ball authors not understanding the concepts they're using or utilizing them properly, a timeless void usually just means time doesn't pass outside of it and it's properties effect everyone inside of it universally, it's not a unique thing to Goku (normal ass humans in dragon ball do NOT have immeasurable speed fight me), and Hit's time abilities are stated in the manga to not work on people who are stronger than him, because he uses his ki to restrict things, he's not actually targeting space-time itself (im tempted to throw anything involving hit out of the window anyways because without that explanation it's basically just the laws of the universe bending in Goku's favor because he was written into a corner...)
    As for Sakuya, the infinite corridor thing doesn't really make sense either when you actually know touhou lore, because Kaguya literally just steps into the corridor herself when she fights you, ending your journey because she's bored. Otherwise, faster than light ranges makes sense for both characters.
    Also knowing touhou lore, the humans are a *terrible* matchup for goku because they can't effectively take advantage of the power system that makes touhou characters so busted in the first place, barring Reimu herself. I'm willing to bet that Goku actually stalemates the majority of the cast if not outright losing to the higher tier characters, because he literally just wouldn't be able to kill any of them without verse equalization. Godly regeneration is the bare minimum for the youkai in gensokyo, any attack that doesn't carry spiritual meaning can't hurt them. Goku's only win condition would be to murder a bunch of innocent people so that the youkai aren't believed in, and they can't ressurect themselves.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +2

      1. Yes, the Touhou Universe does work under string theory. It's kinda complex reading about all of the cosmology... LMAO
      2. I can see how both characters could arguably not have infinite speed, but I decided to stick with direct statements or feats, as well as seeing how potentially fast they could both be!
      3. Oh yeah, as for the Hit ability, don't forget that the DBS Anime and DBS Manga are both under 2 different canons! Both are canon, but both are interpreted differently! I went with the anime because Manga Goku is STUPID strong. You're not wrong if we look at it from the manga perspective.
      When it comes to the infinite corridor feat, powerscalers heavily argue the validity of Sakuya having infinite speed, saying she either reached the end or that Kaguya just stepped in to end the corridor, so I went with the more direct/literal feat that she crossed the corridor!
      4. Correct... Getting into the nitty gritty of the Youkai, the way abilities work in the first place in Gensokyo, the limitations of the Spell Cards, etc, etc... Gets funky quick.

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Chill.mp4.v2 Still, this is a good video, I can tell you put work into it and did your research

    • @Crimsonsli
      @Crimsonsli 2 місяці тому

      Goku does have immeasurable and irreverent speed feats if we are using the guidebooks but we aren’t.

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 Місяць тому

      ​@@CrimsonsliI don't care about non-canon guidebooks, I care about what is actually happening on screen. Occam's razor and all, the correct answer is the most simple and logical answer, and that would be what's shown on screen, not outside statements that might not actually correlate with what's happening.

  • @projectmessiah
    @projectmessiah 2 місяці тому +4

    You forgot to mention that Sakuya has age acceleration and can summon alternate versions of herself. Also while Dragon Ball characters can nulify certain hax once stronger by a certain level its not just being slightly stronger, if that was the case then the hax would be completely nullified but in a lot of cases their more so weakened depending on the gap in power plus we've never seen them deal with anything especially complex, hakai is existence erasure but its existence erasure born from a form of ki which obviously means it can be overcome with stronger ki. Not saying any of this too discredit Goku btw, Touhou power scaling is pretty wacky so i don't look into it too much.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +3

      1. It isn't mentioned, but the time abilities are all shown here, including being able to accelerate and decelerate. -> 3:37 (I don't audibly say everything so that the pace/video length isn't too long)
      2. Sakuya being able to compress the future and past together to temporarily create different versions of herself is here -> 3:42
      3. Hakai (Destroyer Energy) is the strongest form of ki we know of. Base Goku was capable of resisting (but not overpowering) Hakai's Existence Erasure because he has a strong ki, so you're half-right. Same goes for SSBE Vegeta overpowering Toppo's Hakai. However, Beerus is the strongest G.O.D, so his Hakai's power can't be comparable to either. Beerus has mastered Hakai and is capable of destroying much more.
      He explains to Vegeta he can do this because he has destroyed his mind and recreated it from scratch, only having destruction on his mind. This allows his power to be limitless, because he has nothing else holding him back from his fullest extent of power.
      This means that Hakai's fullest power hasn't been shown by Vegeta, Goku, or Toppo. Assuming these characters have mastered Hakai as much as Beerus has, their Hakai probably couldn't be nullified by stronger Ki, since it's true power/destructive capacity is measured by the user's state of mind.
      Good points, though!

    • @projectmessiah
      @projectmessiah 2 місяці тому +3

      @@Chill.mp4.v2 Ah, sorry about the earlier points, I didn't watch the video I just listened to it lol.

  • @ShadeLordiMan
    @ShadeLordiMan 5 днів тому

    Sakuya: "Dammit.. You are strong, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING THAT'LL DEFEAT YOU!"
    Goku: "What-"
    *luna dial: the needle she found in her closet*
    *Goku fucking dies*

  • @Justice-l5n
    @Justice-l5n Місяць тому +3

    Goku solos

  • @recknimatorplayz6873
    @recknimatorplayz6873 2 місяці тому +1

    Probably the only actual Touhou power scaling vid that is just well edited despite lacking some major infomation regarding Sakuya and her scaling (like how is she universal which should talks about Mokou's durability) and the cosmology of Touhou and some minor hax of sakuya like erasing someone from all of time,
    And to clarify some things Goku surpassing Hit's time skip is not really a valid point here considering that in DBS you have bypass hax by simply being stronger than them unless
    Though in i agree with the final stament of you regarding Zun and the intention but in end it's power scaling, Regardless you deversed more subs

  • @TheStickAnimatorFrFr
    @TheStickAnimatorFrFr 2 місяці тому +7

    Goku is Complex Multiversal I'm pretty sure, I think he would've won either way
    The feat where Goku walks in a place lacking time and space has me thinking about whether or not he could beat Sonic the hedgehog (the answer might look obvious, but video game characters are built DIFFERENT)

    • @crashtime3429
      @crashtime3429 2 місяці тому +2

      goku can beat sonic. vice versa but it really depends on what you give sonic or goku access to. but using their current strongest iterations including things that aren't cannon to the OG timeline goku hilariously stomps.

    • @TheStickAnimatorFrFr
      @TheStickAnimatorFrFr 2 місяці тому

      @@crashtime3429 I'm mainly thinking game Sonic and Anime Goku (DB, DBS and DBZ)
      Game Sonic already has hella feats like fighting erazer jinn in base and beating him (EJ eliminated multiple stories/realities)
      Generations Speed feats has him straight up bringing back time and space with his sheer speed

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому

      ​@@TheStickAnimatorFrFrDbs Goku>>>Game sonic

    • @TheStickAnimatorFrFr
      @TheStickAnimatorFrFr 2 місяці тому

      @@yeikelamores6085 I don't know many feats that can make Goku scale above even Base Sonic due to his feats
      (Erazer Jinn being beaten by a Base Sonic and eliminating a thousand universes or timelines)
      And generations Speed feats is too crazy, DBS Goku as far as I know CAN'T bring back a universe while sonic did it by just his sheer speed

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheStickAnimatorFrFr That doesn't even sound like a multiversal feat

  • @SillyGreeniesAndVeggies
    @SillyGreeniesAndVeggies 2 місяці тому +1

    I just remembered, kars from jjba can fight and defeat most of db characters if not all of them(besides zenos probably)

    • @XenMel
      @XenMel Місяць тому

      where does he scale to?

  • @soundwaveravagesuperior
    @soundwaveravagesuperior 2 місяці тому +4

    I have no grand compliment.
    Cool vid.
    I sub.

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      @@soundwaveravagesuperior Thank you Soundwave 😭🙏

  • @wanlong9490
    @wanlong9490 2 місяці тому +2

    Great stuff

  • @killer7591
    @killer7591 2 місяці тому +3

    You erase the past of someone and then apply the same to its future, and you mix those 2 together, time dilation technique, time erasure *gojo hollow purple SFX*

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 2 місяці тому +1

      But in a serious note tho I gues you are right in a way, it depends mostly on how you wish to interpret Sakuya she could be just another silly time stopper or she can be the goddess of time it self, so whether she beat Goku or not it would depend on how she is interpreted, so in the vision of some ppl Goku wins, but for others Sakuya wins good video tho I liked the part where you mention the use of Zun phrases with “to a certain extent” wich makes it up to others to place limits on to her.

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому

      ​@@killer7591The only way for Sakuya to win is to make the highest possible interaction for her and the lowest for Goku.

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 2 місяці тому

      Nah not really, if we take Goku strongest state, and Sakuya to highest (since her power can be interpreted as unlimited) then she could neg Goku since she would be able to negate any resistance he has to time manipulation

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 2 місяці тому

      @@killer7591 NFL masivo,Also you absolutely do not want Goku's strongest interpretation.

    • @killer7591
      @killer7591 2 місяці тому

      @@yeikelamores6085 oh SHI forgot about dragonball heroes and stuff💀🙏🏻

  • @Muslelord1
    @Muslelord1 Місяць тому

    Skipping time is better than stopping time. You can skip time during the stopped time IF, you can move.

  • @weakest-zhu-yuan-enjoyer
    @weakest-zhu-yuan-enjoyer 2 місяці тому +4

    is goku stronger than cirno, the strongest

  • @trolledfordrip
    @trolledfordrip Місяць тому +1

    ok hear me out
    how about the organisation known as the GOC (comp) takes on invasions from other verses i.e freeza, the flood from halo, the daleks from doctor who

  • @Josiah-v2n
    @Josiah-v2n 2 місяці тому +3

    Ts feels like death battle

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      I’ve gotten that exact same comment from a few of my friends 😭

    • @Josiah-v2n
      @Josiah-v2n 2 місяці тому

      Its amazing quality and production keep it up bro​@Chill.mp4.v2

  • @TanookyTeneka
    @TanookyTeneka 2 місяці тому +2

    Excellent video!

  • @GREATALVAREZ
    @GREATALVAREZ 2 місяці тому +3

    Dayum bro, you're really underrated!!!
    Keep it up, your videos are amazing!!!

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому +1

      @@GREATALVAREZ thank you!! 🙏

  • @SmilingMountainLandscape-gh6oh
    @SmilingMountainLandscape-gh6oh Місяць тому

    I didn't know about her existence till now

  • @aisultana8826
    @aisultana8826 2 місяці тому +4

    I don't care about the facts in video zeno buton does bip pop

  • @vixenishdragon4967
    @vixenishdragon4967 2 місяці тому

    It’s a good thing that Goku gives his foes a chance to redeem themselves, or simply refusing to take them out, unless the opponent still has evil intentions, like Frieza, Baby, or The Shadow Dragons (except Nuova)
    But he only kills when it is justifiably necessary

  • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
    @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 2 місяці тому +3

    Sakuya is awesome btw

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      OH YEAH I like the character so much now after learning about Touhou

  • @kingofdragons2552
    @kingofdragons2552 2 місяці тому +1

    funny how this goku scale is beyond lowball.

  • @EdboitheEd
    @EdboitheEd 2 місяці тому +3

    Great vid, your friend is gonna be awfully quiet for a bit after seeing this lol

    • @Chill.mp4.v2
      @Chill.mp4.v2  2 місяці тому

      Thank you! He says the video was well edited and paced, but I'm wondering if he has any counterargument, yk? lol

    • @EdboitheEd
      @EdboitheEd 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Chill.mp4.v2 We’ll see if this “Jason” has anything to counter or admit defeat :3