It’s an electric train on continuous welded track - it ought to be quick and smooth! I have found these trains quite rough riding with quite alarming jolts over points. Perhaps things have got better.
Class(es) 800-804 are simply perfect InterCity trains. It's all about acceleration and thus making intermediate stops less time consuming. Can such trains replace a modern high speed railway network? Of course not. But with the introduction of these trains Britain will at least have one of the best (perhaps even THE BEST) conventional InterCity network in the world. This train has already covered the famous "flying scotsman" route from London to Edinburgh in 3:59 hours INSPITE OF AN INTERMEDIATE STOP IN NEWCASTLE!!!! Looks like Britain has learned her lesson: If you don't build a high speed railway network (which is really a great pity) you at least must do everything you possibly can to improve the conventional InterCity network. This train suits that role perfectly. GWR, Transpennine, LNER etc.... They all have ordered and gradually introduced this train at almost the same time. It's fantastic! 😊 I can't wait to see the new ETCS level 2 signalling systems to be FINALLY introduced in the next 2 yers or so. That means 140mph instead of 125mph. We'll see. After decades of false "140-promises" I refuse to believe them anything until its first day of practical "real life" introduction.😂
Britain is building a high speed network, aiming to have more trains running on it than any other country, will see if they can get that many trains really working on it. The trains will double the current intercity speeds
@@WelshGuitarDude I know. HS2 would be great. But so far I remain sceptical that it's really gonna come. In the long run it will be a necessity. I genuinly believe that modern nation that has highly populated urban areas cannot stay competitive without high speed rail. I currently live in Germany. The high speed net work took about 30 years to build. One can only hope that Britain gets it done faster. Until then class 800-804 will do as good a job as possible. As I said: Within the limits of a traditional InterCity network it's really great.
Although the train looks great and sounds good, it is a bit noisier and has slightly harder seats, other than that I believe it is a very good train and will allow our regional and intercity routes to be revolutionised to create better journey times
@@supremethunderous4566 Yes, absolutely. As far as seating comfort is concerned these trains are in deed a huge disappointment. i usually travel first class and even there the seats weren't very good. I liked the last refurbished version of GWR's mark 3+4 (in first open) best. Noise levels wil probalby NEVER AGAIN be as low as the were. That's simply because (sadly) the age of the loco-hauled passenger carriage is over and every car has its own motor. I guess that#s the price we have to pay for higher acceleration.
@B.A.L G.B.R that's due to Infrustructure of the uk vs Japan, I have no doubt the uks slow electric Infrustructure growth relitive to Japans is the reason they have superior acceleration not always the trains themselves. Also likely lack of research and funding etc at the time of the 90s. Our units in the uk were still splendid, but it's true Japan were really ahead of their time for sure. The amount of emus Japan has is insane. The advanced igbt and gto even back then , some sounding very similar to ours, their trains accelerated like bullets regardless but our units were given a small percentage of power when compared. Even European emus are alot quicker off the mark despite being alot bulkier by comparison. I do prefer the uks designs but the acceleration of Japan/European trains was way ahead of ours . Nowadays our electrical Infrustructure is better in some departments to be able to supply less power and better acceleration. But that can't be said for third rail, our trains on our third rail are better than the older ones, but the third rail Infrustructure is kind of old and needs some work mostly likely.
Unfortunately I think the government cheaped out and is only doing electrification out to Cardiff! Such a shame, the amount of money they invest in the southeast and they can’t even electrify to Swansea.
@@corbinvickers9993 Public expenditure is higher in Wales and Scotland than it is in the South East or all of England thanks to the Barnett Formula. Last year, Northern Ireland spent the most per head, at £11,590, followed by: Scotland at £11,247 Wales at £10,656 England at £9,296 Just to set the record straight and burst this myth about 'the SouthEast'. Try living in East Anglia. As for railways we all ought to be grateful the UK taxpayer is keeping trains running at all.
@@corbinvickers9993 As a SWML local, I can tell you that they have only electrified the line as far as Cardiff. The Hitachis have to switch to diesel to continue to Swansea, which they do every hour.
I wonder if Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Sir Daniel Gooch would be impressed, or perhaps they'd be a tad disappointed that it isn't even quicker! This is proof that IKB was very forward thinking all those years back to predict such speeds (and plan the line acordingly), while George Stephenson was gently chiding him in public, saying that 40mph was the most viable line speed (although he was, of course, talking about economic viability and basing his comments on the technology of the day).
If its DMU mode then yeah, but if its electric mode, then it can use a bit more juice. Class 395s are older but tank this trains acceleration by miles. It's around 40 seconds to 60mph for 395s.
I use that app and one called drag racer too. The new Eastern FLIRTS have the quickest acceleration I've measured 0-60mph in 32 seconds and 0-100 under 90 on electric. 800s feel quick on electric but you really notice the difference on diesel.
The 3 or 4 car 755s accelerate to 60 in 27 seconds with AC mode. That mad , so imagine a 4 car 745 to 60mph given it has the same motor ratio. It would probably be faster because it would lack the engine equipment
It's amazing to think how Japanese already mastered train traction/propulsion system a long ago, ahead of everyone. You will find this level of acceleration even on JR/Tokyo Metro train with old chopper/GTO unit
Certainly fast acceleration but I have been on class 800 train from Plymouth to Exeter and the seats are quite uncomfortable particularly on longer journeys.
Longest Journey I've been on the GWR 800s is from Exeter to London. Comfort for me personally wasn't too bad. Ironically I've got weird back muscle problems and the seats actually helped alot. The HSTs were very comfortable but comfortable to the point I'd want to fall asleep 😂
0 -124 mph in 1 minute flat in a class 800. 1hour later you need to get the hell off the train as any longer in the cement seat you are sitting on will destroy whats left of your Arse and your back. Give me a longer journey time and comfort over discomfort fast acceleration and a shorter journey time any day of the year. The GWR class 800s are the mist uncomfortable intercity train I've ever been on. Not recommended for a trip to Penzance , even just going to Bristol is awful. What were you thinking GWR.
Hope this isn’t a dumb question, but is there any discernible difference between electric and diesel, in regards to the overall experience on this class? I’m thinking of, for example, Cardiff to Swansea. Thx
GPS based speeds tend to be poor at low speeds, not enough change in location. They make a good estimator for speed but I wouldn't rely on one if a completely accurate recording is needed!
The acceleration on them is great but it would be better if the rail infrastructure on existing tracks allowed to go over 125mph/200kmh then these would be true high speed trains but good video anyway
For a lot of the lines its not so much the track, its the signalling. For the newly electrified lines to Bristol the new signalling tech is in place to support in cab signals like the French system used on their high speed lines or the UK HS1 line. However you would need all trains to have the updated in cab equipment and all drivers to be trained on it. The new HST trains have the ability to have it added but there are large numbers of local stopping trains and freight and other bits of kit that would need big changes being made. This is one of the many reasons why HS2 is going to be faster, the new trains wont have to share the lines with the old kit.
Judging how fast the scenery went by it looked a fair bit faster than the 124 mph covered and to it in 5 miles doubt the class 43 HST could live upto that
@@Pete4000uk really they seem to come and go these days these clubs that start up supporting a type of train/locomotive then fizzle out six months later.
@@Pete4000uk Indeed, and many reached 130-135 in service too, as well as the 140mph 7 car sets on Great Western at the time and East Coast. Nothing has beaten the HST in passenger service yet. I did two journeys in the late 1980's and early 1990's on HST's that did London - York in 1hr40 mins. When the 800's even match that I will take note. But in reality, they should be able to beat a 1976 diesel, yet don't due to several issues that are merely bureaucracy and no excuse.
But unlike mallard, these can do 140mph all day, mallard blew up trying to do 126. It is impressive for a steam train to go that fast,but it has nothing on modern train performance
@@garthhentley5957 Mallard had major bearing issues after its run. The linkages did not get enough lubrication due to the forces involved. The best steam trains would struggle to reliably get to 100mph on a day to day run.
Slightly different topography TBF and no 25kv to play with. Diesel acceleration on Cl.800’s up to about 60mph is good, but they take a little longer to hit higher speeds (where line limits permit obv!). West of Exeter the fastest stretch is down to Powderham Castle and a little less along the Teign. The 1:36/1:40 banks each side of Totnes are actually well handled by the 800’s with traction power spread along the train.
@@letrainavapeur And it couldn't maintain that speed for any significant distance (was it for 1/2 a mile on the record breaking run, and on a declining gradient?). As soon as steam engines start climbing even very shallow gradients, they start losing speed..........
That's 800's for you - a rattly mess that are deeply uncomfortable with hospital lighting and poor bogies just to add that 'crunch' over points. Terrible dampers (sure there aren't any!).
The 800s are mechanicaly amazing. They rattle slightly more but they take a 3rd of the time to get to 125mph. The interiors are nasty and the ones on the mk3s were much better. But that has got nothing to do with the trains and all to do with the operators cheaping out
0-60 in 58 seconds. Still faster than my mums 1.1 fiesta
Now that is funny
😂😂😂
Yeas but can your mums fiesta do 125 for 400mi
@johnjoseph tojot yeah Ik
Good joke like it
i'm listening to this just for the sound. such a glorious sensation, being on a Class 800
Brilliant acceleration I have been on those trains and it feels like you are gliding!😃
It’s an electric train on continuous welded track - it ought to be quick and smooth! I have found these trains quite rough riding with quite alarming jolts over points. Perhaps things have got better.
Pity about the seats on them, which make sitting on a razor seem comfortable.....
@@markcf83 duuuuhhhhhhh a fucking razor will be uncomfortable if you sit on it.
@@OnTheRailwayOfficial Yes, and the joke is that the train seats are even worse.
@@rolandharmer6402 nope the whole fleet just got pulled cause of cracks.
Set playback speed to 2x and go to 3:04, that's what top speed on HS2 might look like
Minus the shaking and the objects really close to the track
i love that groove in the flip down table to rest your phone on
Bringing the Shinkansen finesse into Britain. Nice!
Class(es) 800-804 are simply perfect InterCity trains. It's all about acceleration and thus making intermediate stops less time consuming. Can such trains replace a modern high speed railway network? Of course not. But with the introduction of these trains Britain will at least have one of the best (perhaps even THE BEST) conventional InterCity network in the world. This train has already covered the famous "flying scotsman" route from London to Edinburgh in 3:59 hours INSPITE OF AN INTERMEDIATE STOP IN NEWCASTLE!!!! Looks like Britain has learned her lesson: If you don't build a high speed railway network (which is really a great pity) you at least must do everything you possibly can to improve the conventional InterCity network. This train suits that role perfectly. GWR, Transpennine, LNER etc.... They all have ordered and gradually introduced this train at almost the same time. It's fantastic! 😊 I can't wait to see the new ETCS level 2 signalling systems to be FINALLY introduced in the next 2 yers or so. That means 140mph instead of 125mph. We'll see. After decades of false "140-promises" I refuse to believe them anything until its first day of practical "real life" introduction.😂
Britain is building a high speed network, aiming to have more trains running on it than any other country, will see if they can get that many trains really working on it. The trains will double the current intercity speeds
@@WelshGuitarDude I know. HS2 would be great. But so far I remain sceptical that it's really gonna come. In the long run it will be a necessity. I genuinly believe that modern nation that has highly populated urban areas cannot stay competitive without high speed rail. I currently live in Germany. The high speed net work took about 30 years to build. One can only hope that Britain gets it done faster. Until then class 800-804 will do as good a job as possible. As I said: Within the limits of a traditional InterCity network it's really great.
Although the train looks great and sounds good, it is a bit noisier and has slightly harder seats, other than that I believe it is a very good train and will allow our regional and intercity routes to be revolutionised to create better journey times
@@supremethunderous4566 Yes, absolutely. As far as seating comfort is concerned these trains are in deed a huge disappointment. i usually travel first class and even there the seats weren't very good. I liked the last refurbished version of GWR's mark 3+4 (in first open) best. Noise levels wil probalby NEVER AGAIN be as low as the were. That's simply because (sadly) the age of the loco-hauled passenger carriage is over and every car has its own motor. I guess that#s the price we have to pay for higher acceleration.
I don't get how an electric train ended up having more noise =/
The new Hitachis really do shift.
Old Hitachis have been doing this for decades in Japan!
@@B-A-L Yeah the bullet trains are still much faster then any of our trains
@B.A.L G.B.R that's due to Infrustructure of the uk vs Japan, I have no doubt the uks slow electric Infrustructure growth relitive to Japans is the reason they have superior acceleration not always the trains themselves. Also likely lack of research and funding etc at the time of the 90s. Our units in the uk were still splendid, but it's true Japan were really ahead of their time for sure. The amount of emus Japan has is insane. The advanced igbt and gto even back then , some sounding very similar to ours, their trains accelerated like bullets regardless but our units were given a small percentage of power when compared. Even European emus are alot quicker off the mark despite being alot bulkier by comparison. I do prefer the uks designs but the acceleration of Japan/European trains was way ahead of ours .
Nowadays our electrical Infrustructure is better in some departments to be able to supply less power and better acceleration. But that can't be said for third rail, our trains on our third rail are better than the older ones, but the third rail Infrustructure is kind of old and needs some work mostly likely.
the only thing that the hitachis shift with me is my stomach
@@KeiranCounsellKC1994 they'd be better if they sounded better. The motorsa re so watered down the 395s sound way better.
Now we need these trains to run direct from Swansea to Norwich by 25kv overhead all the way.
Unfortunately I think the government cheaped out and is only doing electrification out to Cardiff! Such a shame, the amount of money they invest in the southeast and they can’t even electrify to Swansea.
@@corbinvickers9993 Public expenditure is higher in Wales and Scotland than it is in the South East or all of England thanks to the Barnett Formula.
Last year, Northern Ireland spent the most per head, at £11,590, followed by:
Scotland at £11,247
Wales at £10,656
England at £9,296
Just to set the record straight and burst this myth about 'the SouthEast'. Try living in East Anglia.
As for railways we all ought to be grateful the UK taxpayer is keeping trains running at all.
@@corbinvickers9993 As a SWML local, I can tell you that they have only electrified the line as far as Cardiff. The Hitachis have to switch to diesel to continue to Swansea, which they do every hour.
I wonder if Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Sir Daniel Gooch would be impressed, or perhaps they'd be a tad disappointed that it isn't even quicker! This is proof that IKB was very forward thinking all those years back to predict such speeds (and plan the line acordingly), while George Stephenson was gently chiding him in public, saying that 40mph was the most viable line speed (although he was, of course, talking about economic viability and basing his comments on the technology of the day).
To those who think this isn't fast enough, this IS fast.
If its DMU mode then yeah, but if its electric mode, then it can use a bit more juice. Class 395s are older but tank this trains acceleration by miles. It's around 40 seconds to 60mph for 395s.
These trains have the ability to do 140mph but the railways system in the UK is old. Also on hs1 have 140mph speed limits
Great video. ☺️ I just subscribed to Ur UA-cam channel. ☺️
Excellent quality 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🙏🙏🙏🙏
I use that app and one called drag racer too. The new Eastern FLIRTS have the quickest acceleration I've measured 0-60mph in 32 seconds and 0-100 under 90 on electric. 800s feel quick on electric but you really notice the difference on diesel.
The 3 or 4 car 755s accelerate to 60 in 27 seconds with AC mode. That mad , so imagine a 4 car 745 to 60mph given it has the same motor ratio. It would probably be faster because it would lack the engine equipment
What app do you use?
Still faster than nearly every Australian train 😉
Impressive.
But I’d still sooner be sat on an IC125!
I second this.
Foarte bine Prietene să mergi cu trenul acesta pe teritoriul Țării Mării Britanie 🚄🇬🇧👍😀
And to think Hitachi has been doing this for decades in Japan!
It's amazing to think how Japanese already mastered train traction/propulsion system a long ago, ahead of everyone. You will find this level of acceleration even on JR/Tokyo Metro train with old chopper/GTO unit
I like riding these on either power but much prefer them on electric. Anyone recognise the app on the smartphone?
That’s quick for a train.
124mph is 200kph（km/h）.Great video.
Certainly fast acceleration but I have been on class 800 train from Plymouth to Exeter and the seats are quite uncomfortable particularly on longer journeys.
Longest Journey I've been on the GWR 800s is from Exeter to London. Comfort for me personally wasn't too bad. Ironically I've got weird back muscle problems and the seats actually helped alot. The HSTs were very comfortable but comfortable to the point I'd want to fall asleep 😂
Sounds like a more electronic class 397 on the inside once the train gets going
00:57 😍
This is just 2mph slower then the steam speed record.
But it does it everyday during its regular schedule and not one that was specially commissioned just for the day!
0 -124 mph in 1 minute flat in a class 800. 1hour later you need to get the hell off the train as any longer in the cement seat you are sitting on will destroy whats left of your Arse and your back.
Give me a longer journey time and comfort over discomfort fast acceleration and a shorter journey time any day of the year. The GWR class 800s are the mist uncomfortable intercity train I've ever been on. Not recommended for a trip to Penzance , even just going to Bristol is awful. What were you thinking GWR.
What’s the name of the app?
I wouldn't use it
Ulysse Speedometer
@@HFStuart you had to open your bloody mouth
@@GWRProductions-kg9pt You have a problem with that app?
@@HFStuart it's highly unreliable, plus it has dropped a load of drivers in deep shit too
Hope this isn’t a dumb question, but is there any discernible difference between electric and diesel, in regards to the overall experience on this class? I’m thinking of, for example, Cardiff to Swansea. Thx
Not massively, I think the main difference is acceleration and the other a tiny bit noisier
Cole Hodgkiss Thanks Cole, appreciate that👍👍
@@DavidJones-lz4io it's still a noisy pile of crap
Impressive At 124 and 123 Speed in 3 min INPRESSIVE 😲
in the cab, the speedometer will rise very quick with acceleration, but that phone app appears to lag and be very inaccurate at low speeds.?
GPS based speeds tend to be poor at low speeds, not enough change in location. They make a good estimator for speed but I wouldn't rely on one if a completely accurate recording is needed!
Serious acceleration. Sounds pretty quiet considering
The acceleration on them is great but it would be better if the rail infrastructure on existing tracks allowed to go over 125mph/200kmh then these would be true high speed trains but good video anyway
For a lot of the lines its not so much the track, its the signalling.
For the newly electrified lines to Bristol the new signalling tech is in place to support in cab signals like the French system used on their high speed lines or the UK HS1 line.
However you would need all trains to have the updated in cab equipment and all drivers to be trained on it. The new HST trains have the ability to have it added but there are large numbers of local stopping trains and freight and other bits of kit that would need big changes being made.
This is one of the many reasons why HS2 is going to be faster, the new trains wont have to share the lines with the old kit.
The motor of the IET is just the same as the Javelin but its low
what App does that, please James?
Ulysse Speedometer is the one I use
Nice vid
0:59
What is this app?
speedometer >>>
Very gliding acceleration
Where can download that app
Off the App Store. Search Speedometer
@@ChappersTravels okay thank you
Love the App, what is it called?
not reliable
@@GWRProductions-kg9pt Weird name for a speedometer app.
I can reach a similar speed from a standing start at the end of work on a Friday
Good
Judging how fast the scenery went by it looked a fair bit faster than the 124 mph covered and to it in 5 miles doubt the class 43 HST could live upto that
There was apparently the unofficial HST 140MPH Club...
@@Pete4000uk really they seem to come and go these days these clubs that start up supporting a type of train/locomotive then fizzle out six months later.
Fastest HST RECORDED speed is 144 mph!! also the 800's on diesel accelerate much slower that when on electric.
@@12crepello quite impressive for a passenger train of its age though I'd say that much.
@@Pete4000uk Indeed, and many reached 130-135 in service too, as well as the 140mph 7 car sets on Great Western at the time and East Coast. Nothing has beaten the HST in passenger service yet. I did two journeys in the late 1980's and early 1990's on HST's that did London - York in 1hr40 mins. When the 800's even match that I will take note. But in reality, they should be able to beat a 1976 diesel, yet don't due to several issues that are merely bureaucracy and no excuse.
What is that app. I wanna download it
speedometer >>>
124mph is fast, but let's remember Mallard did 126mph 80 years ago!!
But unlike mallard, these can do 140mph all day, mallard blew up trying to do 126. It is impressive for a steam train to go that fast,but it has nothing on modern train performance
@@wharris302 Blew up! Please explain.
@@garthhentley5957 Mallard had major bearing issues after its run. The linkages did not get enough lubrication due to the forces involved.
The best steam trains would struggle to reliably get to 100mph on a day to day run.
@@marvintpandroid2213 Ah, but Mallard did not blow up ; but did suffer an overheated big - end on the middle - engine.
@@garthhentley5957 I never said it blew up. that was someone else.
I use the same app to do the same thing
What’s the name of the app ?
Try Totnes to Plymouth.
60mph
Slightly different topography TBF and no 25kv to play with. Diesel acceleration on Cl.800’s up to about 60mph is good, but they take a little longer to hit higher speeds (where line limits permit obv!). West of Exeter the fastest stretch is down to Powderham Castle and a little less along the Teign. The 1:36/1:40 banks each side of Totnes are actually well handled by the 800’s with traction power spread along the train.
They only achieve what you show if the track is up to it. Much of the routes done by GWR 800s are between 60 to 80 mph.
0:35 the sound
IN 4 MINUTES 5 MILES
Try it during the week on the 7.30 out of Swindon - never seems to go that fast when I am trying to get to work on time in Bristol! 🤬🤬🤬
Is it in mph or kph?
MPH
In km/h this would be 200.
Wow, nearly as fast as an old fashioned steam loco (Mallard)
But the Mallard would not get there in 3:24 even if it does look and sound better
Though modern trains don't wreck themselves in the process in the way that Mallard did.
Apart from it starts with the press of a button instead of taking 4 hours to get the Mallard to even move!
@@letrainavapeur And it couldn't maintain that speed for any significant distance (was it for 1/2 a mile on the record breaking run, and on a declining gradient?). As soon as steam engines start climbing even very shallow gradients, they start losing speed..........
Like it took 2 mins to get 100
200 kmph max in Europe not much..
What are you talking about?
LMFAO WHO TOLD YOU THAT?
Only two conventional lines in Europe have an average speed in excess of 200 km/h.
3:21 Tell Sarah I said hi
App?
Ulysee speedometer
Think they are quik? Then maybe you need to try a Chinese high speed train.
Fast!
Well that’s 4 minutes I’m not getting back !
Trouble is the seats in either second or first class are like rock and the once reasonable food service has gone , progress ? Not really .
lol it said 69
Seemed very average. Not that smooth, either. Very underwhelmed.
That's 800's for you - a rattly mess that are deeply uncomfortable with hospital lighting and poor bogies just to add that 'crunch' over points. Terrible dampers (sure there aren't any!).
The 800s are mechanicaly amazing. They rattle slightly more but they take a 3rd of the time to get to 125mph. The interiors are nasty and the ones on the mk3s were much better. But that has got nothing to do with the trains and all to do with the operators cheaping out
0:35