Propaganda pusher! The West is NOT responsible for the rest of the world! The great replacement theory is NOT a theory and its a shame there are so many fools willing to destroy the western world. Didn't you just have 100 000 people cheering on Hamas in London? Hows mass migration working out for you?
To rent three of these prison Hulks is costing us £1.6 billion, for that amount of money you could build and outright own the largest Cruise ship ever built the Royal Caribbean Icon Of The Seas with capacity for 7,600 passengers living in luxury and 2,350 crew, with 20 restaurants, pools, a threatre, the largest water park at sea etc. Not 1,500 in conditions deemed as unsafe by the fire department. This is not done for saving money in the slightest, I can garentuee the owner of those barges has donated to the Tory party.
@@tableshaper4076 what has this got to do with my comment? Also to compare a country to a house is mind boggling niave. Not to mention have you not learnt from Ukraine that ~200,000 people were housed in this very way, so your non-sequitors has already been disproved.
Agreed. Then again, these are the very same people who were leeching money from the EU and still believed that they deserved more influence. The only reason the Brexit vote even went through is because the rights protected by EU law and safety standards set by the EU were getting in the way of profits
New rule: If your idea for solving a problem can serve as the plot for a dystopian novel or horror story with minimal exaggeration, ERASE YOUR WHITEBOARD AND START OVER.
@@SomaNova Or American politics, since the US is honestly no better. Although Australia has also been doing these sorts of things for over a decade already.
I used to live in Hamburg until 2011, and I remember very well the massive public opposition against these inhumane "housing" ships on the Elbe river that eventually led to their removal in 2006. My cleaning lady at the time, a refugee from Armenia, had been living on Bibi Stockholm's sister ship, Bibbi Altona, when she first arrived. Her account of the living conditions there were vivid and horrifying. She was eventually moved to an apartment, but only after two of her children became chronically ill. I'm shocked to see the ships put back in use in the UK for the very same reasons the city of Hamburg got rid of them.
@@OAPHarmerHerrStarmler you also clearly never finished high school, so I wouldn't finish that victory lap just yet. Not that you could. I love how the people who talk about avoiding indoctrination are the most indoctrinated people out there. How embarrassing really
New York City has an actual jail barge, Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center, opened in 1992. It houses 870 incarcerated people in large rooms of ~60 with communal bedding. As this is a jail, none of it's inhabitants have been convicted yet. It actually closed this month, but it was parked across from Rikers, in the Bronx, for the last 30 years. Valuable to think through as a supplement to this topic.
At least since it’s a jail, most people wouldn’t be staying there for long. At least it makes some sense in a densely populated area like New York, still pretty bad tho.
@@darkithnamgedrf9495 fun fact the average time spent in jail (without conviction) for non-bail prisoners in New York State in August 2021 was 286.5 days (nine months). an increase of 44% over last year. For people who are legally innocent.
I remember as a young adult thinking that things would get better for everyone with the passing of time. But I was obviously naive. The world is in fact getting worse for the poor and those seeking out a better life for themselves and their children. So much for progress.
If, like me, you're a child of the 90s/early 2000s in the west (the 'end of history' era)the there was definitely a lot more optimism about the future and a sense of stability which tricked down to me as a kid. I wonder if kids these days even have such an optimistic attitude. I doubt they do.
@@goldgeologist5320 No. It's not a matter of limited resources. We have all the resources we need to feed and house everyone. It's a matter of resource distribution. It's a matter of people with billions of dollars hoarding them, to the detriment of the vulnerable. It's a matter of authoritarians invading and bombing and ethnic cleansing, denying people their homes, livelihoods, and basic human dignity. It's a matter of cruel bigots who hate those who are different; who have more than they will ever need or could even ever use if they tried, and who will tell lies deflecting blame for their greed and power-grubbing onto those who are powerless.
I remember back when I could never even imagine moving out of Canada and then me now, if Fidel Castro Jr. Wins the next election I'll likely just move to and get citizenship and relinquish my Canadian citizenship
Just to add making it illegal to claim aslyum if you have entered the country without announcement. Is most useful to human traffickers as victims will not go to the government for help. As the government would treat them as a criminal and afford no protections for being trafficked. A genuinely horrifying dilemma.
@@LoneWolf-rc4go - "If you want asylum then why enter the county unannounced?" Because that's how asylum works and has always worked? You enter the country, and apply for asylum. What do you think "announce" is supposed to mean here?
@@tableshaper4076 what has this got to do with my comment? Also to compare a country to a house is mind boggling niave. Not to mention have you not learnt from Ukraine that ~200,000 people were housed in this very way, so your non-sequitors has already been disproved.
I worked on a small passenger ferry in the US and I would like to share some thoughts. This is a terrible idea. The amount of labor and money it takes to maintain a ferry that can only hold 400 passengers for about 15 minutes would be minuscule compared to the amount of resources it would take to house that many people. We are constantly cleaning and maintaining the vessel. Plus we are regularly doing safety drills and practicing for emergencies. I would be terrified even have a MOB when there are people who may not speak the same language. On a boat it is incredibly important for everyone to be able to communicate to avoid people dying.
In a sane society you would be right. But in this case the suffering is a feature, not a bug. The cruelty is the point. It's about sending a message to future refugees and ethno-nationalists alike.
@@martins.4240 they love making people's lives worse it's what they do and I love the fact that the Asian women is taking about imagination as a black man who has had the same conversations with other people of color I always say to them why don't you lead by example and fuck of first and watch there heads start spinning like there possessed
gosh, the statistic of people waiting for the responce from the UK government gave flashbacks of my family waiting more then 3 month with no legal way to gain some money in Poland during spring 2022. Well, at least we have found some truly generous people who have helped us.
I volunteered for a refugee charity in a city with a very large bridge over a deep, fast flowing and turbulent river. When I echo Tom's point that this policy will lead to deaths I'm not talking in some abstract academic way. Putting people in emotional distress in such a position will result in preventable suicides.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 holy crap, I can't imagine an adult having such a childish, naive, [and baseless] view of the world. Are you seriously too dim to think of a situation in which one can leave their country for a good purpose rather than, as you put it, "abandoning" their homeland? That's just so darn silly lol. Do you need examples? I work with a lady from Ecuador who came here because the local drug lord developed a crush on her and wouldn't take "no gracias" as an answer, if ya feel me. Went after her family and everything.. it was some real unhinged shit by the sounds of it. Is *_she_* "abandoning" her homeland? I don't know _anyone_ who would put it that way other than perhaps a 14 year old trying to be edgy. Is that you? And besides, who says I owe my homeland anything? I pay my taxes, I volunteer, I vote, I'm a good upstanding citizen. That's what I owe. As far as I'm concerned, as long as people are giving life their best effort and doing what they can wherever they happen to reside at that moment.. well, that's all you can really do! Similarly, if a mother or father believes that moving to another country could provide a better life for their family, how the heck is that "deserting their family"? It's the exact opposite: they're trying to provide a better life for their family! If anyone should be feeling shame right now, I think it's you. Your comment makes me doubt that you have the capacity for that though :/ Regardless, I hope you have a relaxing rest of your weekend! TL;DR it's ridiculous to give people shit for trying to make a better life for themselves/their family. There's nothing wrong with that. I do it. You do it. Everyone does it. Be kind.. it's not that hard ffs.
There was a story in The Observer this morning of a man who attempted suicide upon being told that he was being moved to the Bibbi Stockholm. It's already happening.
Well in the 18th and 19th Centuries old ship of the line hulks were converted into prison ships to house ... well ... prisoners and prisoners of war. During the Napoleonic Wars, the mortality rate was up to eight percent!
Our Tories have explicitly modelled this on the Aussie system. Even before Brexit they were extolling the virtues of "an Australia-style system", which of course at the time meant they focused on points for work visas and so on but everyone with a critical eye back then knew that meant they wanted to do offshore processing too. Bibby Stockholm is actually kind of a compromise - they were going to put them on uninhabited islands in the British/French Channel at first.
even one of the articles featured in this video explicitly mentioned "australia-inspired" to refer to using Nauru for housing asylum seekers. aya wtf australia, y u so cruel ah.
@@yukko_parra one of the weirdest things is how long that’s been going on. I know people who made protest songs (such as one played at a pride parade) in the early 00s, using voice clips from now-retired politicians. Yet it’s STILL ongoing. Sometimes I wonder how it’s been allowed to happen so long, then I remember all the other stuff like Robodebt which was a sustained assault on the working class and various progressive-voting groups… ensuring people were too busy getting their belongings repossessed or even dying. Thoroughly evil all round.
You mention that the residents of the new jail ships "are not criminals." I would just point that most of the people who were 'transported' to the colonies in the 18th century were also not criminals, or not real criminals. They were victims of "the enclosure"- land grab by the rich that dislocated England's poor rural inhabitants, who were then hit with new "vagrancy" laws. Look poor and idle, you became a "vagrant" and got transported (or got conscripted for hellish work as sailors). Steal bread because you were hungry, you got "transported." Most of the "crimes" were due to extreme poverty.
One of the worst aspects of this, is that no one voted for it. The Tories calling “Stop The Boats” as one of “Your Priorities” despite the fact Sunak wasn’t even democratically elected is a travesty
Go to public baiting and stirring: Immigration, homelessness, trans people and LGBT communities' supposedly brainwashing children. Basically pick one each week and insight hate towards anyone where if they respond, they will be considered making the situation worse or if they don't respond, get called out for making the situation worse.
@@theinternetbutler Some LGBT communities try and do exactly what you said. Children up to a certain age should not get such an unfiltered exposing. LGBT People should care about themselves and look for a way to deal with their neurodivergence and not normalise it to young, impressionable children.
@@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 unfortunately I wouldn’t know what’s happening at all times, the last time I stepped into a school was when I was a child. However, it’s also specifically selective anger. There’s also a lot of bad things happen in schools, from information floating around. But, this topic seems to be run with the most as a publicity campaign. What are you saying that neurodivergence? That all LGBT people are neurodivergent!
@@alphamikeomega5728don’t know what you’ve googled but just google „French Protestant Prison Boat“ it’s really not that hard man, it’s the first fucking search result
@@alphamikeomega5728 The Drownings at Nantes in 1793 against royalist and Catholics where a thing, i don't know if they had used the same for the Huguenots.
@@alphamikeomega5728 I dunno about Protestants, maybe he's mixing up the St Barthelemy Massacre where protestant were thrown into rivers (like the Seine) and the Nantes Drowning mentionned by the guy above ? Well, 'cept that in Nantes the ships were used as prison cells mostly because of logistical issues and the fear of propagading diseases, they weren't *purpose made* prison ships as I understand it.
@@tableshaper4076You know the authour of 1984 was a socialist talking about a far right british government that took a few lessons form Stalin, right? Like full on, went to Spain to volunteer in the socialist foreign legion during the spanish civil war.
As an ameican i had no idea about these politics in england thank u for explaining it so non natives can fully understand these internitional issues. Well done
Basicly look at everything fucked up in Murican politics and assume it basicly had its roots in the Briish being a very normal people on a very normal island. And thats with the people who disagreed with this system having been shipped off to the colonys. Now imagine the state of the unfiltered original.
The refugees & asylum seekers. It sounded like they were talking about the issues of the US. Except we don't house them on a barge. The prison barge in NY, I wonder if that costs more or less to house prisoners & how do they prevent the ppl from jumping ship? 🙀😾
The irony is that's about the most British thing ever at the moment - at the weekend there was a 'go slow' protest where about 100 people drove to Cardiff in protest of the new 20mph speed limit and they all got caught up in the congested traffic going into Cardiff where they were stuck driving far slower than 20mph and eventually had to be escorted and diverted off the motorway by police to get to The Senedd. Needless to say, they were all exclusively retirees who haven't quite figured out yet that due to increibly poor infrastructure, the 20mph speed limit far exceeds what is possible during rush hour on Welsh roads and despite a handful of noisy English Tories being really upset on our behalf, it hasn't actually affected people all that much because when most people use the roads with the new limits on they were never going above 20mph anyway.
@@PostingCringeOnMain I've found the backlash against 20mph fascinating. Some people with older cars make good points about gearboxes being tuned for 15 and 30, not 20, but that's not what most of the protest was about. As you say, hardly anyone gets a chance to even reach 20 anyway.
@@tableshaper4076 stop going round every comment saying this. People are ignoring you for a reason (and I know sadly this is giving you the engagement you crave, but I hope others see it and stay shtum). It’s childish and ignores the actual reasons for people seeking asylum. All so you can make a simplistic “gotcha!” and get a brief dopamine rush - apparently short enough that you need another hit less than a minute later on another comment. It’s pathetic.
@@kieran5191did you even ... watch the video ? bibby stockholm is inhumane . would you want to be treated like this over the ""crime"" of seeking aid ??
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As an Australian, I feel so incredibly ashamed that asylum seeker detention policy has become so normalised. We have been imprisoning asylum seekers for nearly 30 years, and we're *still* doing it. Both our political parties have decided that offshore detention is just *fine*, storing asylum seekers in hotels, away from sight, that's *fine*. I'm so ashamed that these policies are being exported across the world.
Do the majority of Australians support that? Because I’ve heard lots of people on reddit and other places praise the Australian system as it did stop the boats. Note haven’t seen Australians I just know that outside of there tons of people want to do a similar policy to Australia
@@gothicgolem2947 The boats still come, they don't stop coming. All that's happened is that there's no press around them arriving, because the asylum seekers are squirreled away, instead of turning up on the mainland. Our detention centres remain full of asylum seekers, which should tell you that the boats aren't getting stopped. But yes, the public perception is a mostly positive one for our detention policy, regardless. Much like in Britain, there’s a strong racist element in Australian culture. A lot of Australians would prefer our borders entirely close, and we know this because we did entirely close our borders during COVID, and suddenly our extreme-right parties suddenly lost a ton of support...
Agreed. As an Australian I'm disgusted by how both sides of politics in this country treat asylum seekers. And yes this country is deeply racist (you usually don't see it because we aren't challenged that often day to day).
@@gothicgolem2947 Nah, this guy is a wanker (kirby comment). You are correct, Aussies voted for the current immigration system, it's not bad for us "convicts".
Why don't you take care of one of those illegal inmigrants instead? People like you will brag about how good they are for allowing illegal migrants but then won't do anything. If you care about those illegal inmigrants so much then allow them.to enter your house. Help them with your house
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 I strongly suggest you listen to 16:37 again. Furthermore, you and I both know that "If you want them, welcome them to your home" is a bullshit argument right, left and centre.
You know as emergency housing that could be quickly redeployed to any coastal area and major river it sounds quite useful. Shame it's being used like this instead.
@@tableshaper4076 This is a more nuanced explanation than you deserve, but the comment you were responding to was more about temporary housing for people in areas damaged by floods or storms, not long-term housing for asylum seekers. Also, not an invasion, they're not a military force.
Best comment by far. What IS beyond my comprehension is how people still believe "They're just as bad as each other" After watching and reading about horrors like this. (It happens every time a Tory is in office.)
@@CiCodiCadno then internet vernacular is stupid. To be fair I did misread it, but it’s obviously a take on Teslas quote. Not sure if it is sarcastic or not, if it is my bad. But if not, man up ffs.
I think there's a blind point in not looking at where the UK right got this idea from: Australia. Even the "stop the boats" phrase comes from our ex-PM Tony Abbott. Australia has been throwing around immigration as a political football for over 20 years at this point, with multiple human rights abuses occuring at our offshore detention facilities where asylum seeker were kept in processing. Unfortunately it looks like the Liberal-National coalition, our conservative opposition party is working up to have another go at it soon.
The main issue is that mass immigration of fairly unskilled people from particulars foreign cultures is so unpopular ( for a variety of reasons ) that it’s just not worth to help a couple hundred thousand people if you risk a populist neo liberal "conservative" ( nothing conservative about them most of the time outside of rhetoric ) government as a result. The Danish model is arguably the best at stopping the far right populists so far since it "sacrifices" the issue in favour of far more wide reaching solutions affecting far more people. I think it’s ultimately the right choice. Getting "tough on foreigners" may be inhumane to some extent but it prevents far worse things from happening.
Yes. The cruelty pumped out by legacy media and politicians is awful. It's no wonder nobody listens to them anymore. People are almost entirely good natured and just feel confused and alienated hearing all this tripe
@@michaeladkins6 it wouldn't make a scrap of difference. Tory, Labour and the mainstream media will continue as before. There needs to be a shake up. A new constitution
@@seanoconnor8843 - "it wouldn't make a scrap of difference. Tory, Labour and the mainstream media will continue as before." You say that because you haven't tried. As they say, put up or shut up: get Labour in power for a decade and see if these problems persist. If they do, then we can talk. "There needs to be a shake up. A new constitution." I have zero faith in people who advocate revolutionary rhetoric, but are in practice too lazy and unenthusiastic to even bother with the barest possible minimum that is voting.
@@KingBobXVI I agree with you on the apathy but I'm more disillusioned than anything. I was canvasing for Labour councilor and parliamentary candidates since I was 13. I have voted Labour in every single election since turning 18. Thankfully I'm starting to care again after 40 years of political engagement
Strange. I remember prison boats being the exact same reason why the British government began sending them to America instead pre-1770. We know how that turned out
Sci-Fi Author : In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale Governements around the world : At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus rom classic sci-fi novel "Don't Create the Torment Nexus"
The refugee crisis has been used in Spain for political points too. Right wing politicians are winning ground complaining about illegal immigrants while they drown in our sea. Its heartbreaking honestly.
And you know what form an American perspective well here they don't fix the problem at all they use imagrant as cheap point to win meanwhile they make living existence for everyone worst even their their supporters unless your a rich arsehole
@@jandav1269 what about the people who are legally seeking asylum, should they drown just because someone near them is MAYBE migrating illegally? I also want to know what part of being migrant means you should die without a hearing? and I say hearing because it's not illegal to migrate and seek asylum. I also want to know why you are so callous, who hurt you? Citizens of a country are far more likely to commit crimes than migrants, so maybe you should be put on trial, oops I mean you should be put out in the open ocean, you may have committed a crime
@@tableshaper4076 That's not making an argument about hypocrisy like you think it is. Making that kind of argument just makes you personally look like a complete fool. Which all of your other comments do to. Since you're spewing propaganda that supports literal genocides happing right now.
There will be claiming people you mean "gyms" by "exercise areas". Maybe someone has already done so. I can't see the other two replies you've got so far.
You mean all the young fighting age men fleeing their counties to invade others, I agree, they really should be reporting on this. I didn't see any MS media coverage of the 100 000 muslims in London cheering on Humas beheading children, shameful.
It's just the same kind of leftist bs we had in Germany a few years ago. The only result of listening to it and following the advice is: 3x more economic refugees per capita than Britain, tendency increasing.
Seeing "Stop the Boats" as a British slogan is scary. It came from the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his response to Asylum-seekers coming by boats. It was gross then and is grosd now
@@BritishJucheit didn’t work at all, the Australian government changed the criteria to what “coming by boat” was to skew the data. Even then they kept coming but the Murdoch and fairfax news media had an agreement with the government to not report on boat arrivals. The information is available and has been published if you look for it.
@@BritishJucheexcept the Australian government's willful effort to break international law and abandon the UN refugee convention didn't stop the boats... I suppose if you had a clue, you wouldn't be advocating for brutal authoritarian fake communist dictatorships in your name, would you.
i dont want to even think about how far "stop the boats" will go as anti immigration politicians and public sentiment gets more aggressive. how exactly might they start.. /stopping/ the boats? it's horrific to think about.
My father came into the United States around 1930. He arrived at Ellis Island and they processed most immigrants on the day that they arrived. OK, half of the paperwork could be performed onboard ship before it arrives in New York. A simple clerk checked off the boxes, and if you passed you were given a Green Card and your were in. Today, there will be international computer checks before all of the boxes can be checked. Probably need a much higher level official doing what is essentially a clerk's job.
That quick processing also led to a boom in productivity for the United States. With the exception of the great depression, the US saw a massive workforce and productivity boom from the 1890s to the 1950s, largely because of our acceptance of immigrants. If you look at the US economy today, you'll find millions of vacant jobs in entry level positions, especially in agriculture and service industries. These jobs could very effectively be filled by immigrants looking to start their new lives in the United States. Instead, what you see are states like Florida/Texas clamping down on immigration while attempting to lower and remove child workforce laws. These child workforce laws exist to encourage children to go to school instead of dropping out and working.
Well, to be fair, a lot of Asylum Seekers don’t have all their papers in order, and being a refugee isn’t the same as simply being an immigrant who’s seeking permission of residency! Today, if I want to work or study in the US or UK, I can start the application process without even leaving my home! But if you’re a refugee, there’s basically three ways; If you live in a UN affiliated refugee camp, you can be so lucky that you become one of a small number of UN quota refugee (this is most often families and single mothers with small kids, and if a kid is handicapped it increases the chances). Or you have to find a way to physically go to the country where you wanna apply for Asylum, and when arrived contact the border guards, police, or similar authority, and in most countries this involves some level of detainment, at least until the authorities has registered you and cleared that you’re not a wanted criminal or already has been denied Asylum or has an ongoing Asylum case being processed (example of this is in regards to the EU where we will look into if someone has been denied Asylum in another EU country, or if they are in an ongoing process, they will be sent back to the country currently processing their case). The third way is through family reunification programs, which are the reason why most Asylum seekers in European countries who turn up at borders quite often tend to be older teenagers, young men, and/or family fathers. They simply have higher chances of surviving the often extremely dangerous journeys that sometimes involves several boat crossings and harsh living conditions while waiting for a chance to get onboard a boat! If they are then granted asylum, as more than 80% of those applying is, they can then apply for their closest relatives to be allowed to join them, and then their families can take much safer routes as they’ve already been granted refugee status! Of course this is a very rough description of how it works! But it’s very different from people immigrating due to other causes! Of course there’s also people who simply want to immigrate who starts out on these dangerous journeys and who might end up in a boat with Asylum Seekers, but they’re usually sent back to their country of origin, (at least if we talk about how it works here in the EU) Occasionally there’s also individuals who is turned down for Asylum, but for various reasons, such as their country of origin refusing to accept them back, and unless they’re willing to go to another country that will accept them, they end up in a limbo - and how various EU countries deal with them varies a lot. My own country is probably among the worst as we put them in centers that are very much similar to low security prisons, one of the centers even used to be such a facility - and they then end up having to deal with basically criminals who are supposed to be expelled from my country, but for similar reasons can’t be! It used to be that asylum seekers who had been denied asylum, and criminals who had finished prison time, but for some reasons couldn’t be sent back to their country of origin (and occasionally due to no fault of their own), were allowed to live fairly normal lives, but then some media outlets and far-right politicians decided that it was something they could use and now even our SocDem is competing with the far-right in making conditions as intolerablere as possible, to the point where there at a time even was suggestions of more or less isolating them in facilities on an island that were last used as a research facility into dangerous viruses and bacterias! Oh, and my government is also pursuing the Rwanda idea, and another idea where they want to send prisoners who are going to get expelled from the country when they’ve finished their time in prison, to a prison in Kosova! It’s not like it will save any money, au contraire, it will most likely be more expensive in the end, as we are obliged to ensure they’re given similar standard as in one of our own prisons, including a similar level of healthcare, which probably only can be guaranteed by using expensive private hospitals in Kosova! So it’s all about political grand standing and showing that they’re "tough" on foreigners who commit crimes here… Also, some of those convicts they want to expel were infants when they arrived here, they’ve never known anything but my country and have wife and kids here - sure, they might identify as also being Syrians or Palestinians, but they have absolutely nothing down there aside from maybe a few distant relatives! (Yes, our laws has also been changed making it much easier to revoke their permission of residency, and even laws making it possible to revoke their citizenship - which should be illegal as it’s a form of extra punishment that doesn’t apply equally for everyone)… But anyway, sorry I went out on a tangent - I only intended to talk about how this issue with refugees arriving here in Europe is very different from traditional immigration, such as towards the USA nearly one hundred years ago! Oh, and that’s without even going into the tragic issue regarding the USA turning down high numbers of Jewish refugees from Germany in and around the same time or within a decade from when OP's dad arrived and was processed at Ellis Island!
If someone arriving at Ellis Island didn't meet immigration standards, it was the responsibility of the shipping company to return the immigrant to the port of origination - at no charge. The priamary consideration was overall health, especially communicable diseases. Therefor, the vetting process for immigrants primairly occured at the port of origination and it was conducted by the private sector. By the time they reached Ellis Island, most immigration candidates were deemed acceptable. Today's process isn't nearly this restrictive. Today's process is "come one, come all."
@@karljohannessen4436 Well, there's a huge difference between people who simply just want to immigrate by ship or plane to the USA, and people who arrive at the border with a wish to get Asylum. Unfortunately there are violations of Asylum Protections happening from both Democrats and Republicans, although one side is definitely more malignant in their approach to Asylum Seekers...
This has been happening in Australia for decades. We have "off shore" detention centres in countries like Naru where the facilities are worse than gaols. The big end of town such as Serco loves these measures because they commonly get the contracts to run them at huge profit margins. Australia went as far as to excise its own islands from the country so people could not claim they made it to Australia so they could put them back on dangerous boats and send them back to wherever they came from. Compassion is a commodity that is in short supply these days especially with conservatives.
Lying about the islands is like a 5 year old trying to lie about not eating the chocolate. While covered in it. Why do they even bother anymore? I don't understand.
The irony. With Australia itself being a penal colony full of the descendants of criminals. You would think the nation would meter forget this and therefore treat people differently. After all, what a horrendous and inhumane punishment, to have to live in Australia back in the day. Granted, its not much better today, but that doesn't mean you want to make it worse for them.
Indeed. Many of these same companies that run these containment camps are also affiliates of private military contractors that do protection services, weapons training and special combat operations around the world.
Australian Governments have been doing this for like 20 years now. we have whole prison islands we use as oubliettes for asylum seekers that are in flagrant violation of the UN charter of human rights. former PM Tony Abbott even ran on the same slogan as Rishi Sunak; "stop the boats". the australian government also took legislative action at the time to prevent journalists from even covering the asylum seekers. it is a deeply shameful and lingering part of my country's history. hopefully it does not become part of the UK's (in the modern era).
Asylum seekers = illegal inmigrants. Why don't you take care of one pr two of those illegal inmigrants? Of course you won't because it is so easy to play the moral high ground when other people has to deal with the issue. If you want illegal imigrants then take care of one of them in your house
An english prison ship named "Bibby" sounds like satire. It's like the government is *trying* to make a joke out of itself on the backs of thousands of people just trying to survive..
For clarity the home office uses the nomenclature "detained" and "non-detained" in all instances for clarity and applies for everything from hotels to regular housing.
I would argue the current Australian policy is not more humane though. Let me just quote human rights: "Australia has one of the strictest immigration detention regimes in the world. It is mandatory, is not time-limited and people are not able to challenge their detention in court. The average detention time is 806 days" At least most of the detained children and babies were released from the prisons around/ before 2016 (so much 4 history). But critics say that the gov. just relabeled some of the facilites
“Look it’s not a prison, I don’t care how much it resembles a prison, or if it effectively imprisons it’s passengers. They’d have to be arrested to be prisoners and we skipped that step so they aren’t.”
@Gillsing It refers to the parent company Bibby Marine. This company is descended from Bibby Line, which was founded by John Bibby, a man who made his wealth trading slaves. (And yes, people have directly compared the conditions on the Bibby Stockholm to 18th Century slave ships.)
Cruella Braverman has taken us back 200 years, she gas brought back "prison hulks". If Charles Dickens could see it, he would say," Nothing has changed".
If Charles dickens saw it he would want to stay in it so that he wouldn’t have to crap in a potty in the corner. This isn’t a prison hulk it’s accommodation akin to a hostel or student accommodation. Migrants don’t need on the house 4-star pampering at tax payer expense.
Very good video. You did omit a very important fact that of all the migrants, a lot are coming originally from Afghanistan and Iraq. Two countries the UK helped invade and occupy for decades. That they aren't even acknowledging that fact makes the tory scheme even worse. After the election, Im hoping the Cabinet members responsible, especially sunak and braverman spend some time in the barge thinking about what they have done
@@cryptbeast3222 In the US they can just nab you off the street and stuff you into a place like Riker's where you'll stay for years before trial. There was a famous case not long ago of an underage kid being kept in Riker's for 2 years before I believe he killed himself. He was nabbed for stealing his own backpack, and what's more, doing so while black. Doing anything while black is risky in the US so why this kid stole a backpack that was in fact his own backpack, and what's more while black, what was he thinking?
@@alexcarter8807 I live in the US. The kid you are mentioning was simply taken as guilty without any actual evidence while returning home. He refused to bow to the accusations of the police, so they held him in prison. Most people in Rikers are there for being accused of a crime, not from being judged as criminals in court. In many cases in the US, black people are simply arrested and fucked with just because. I've been pulled over by police for problems that didn't exist, just because they wanted to mess with me. I've been taken and questioned for crimes I literally couldn't do because I wasn't in the area at the time. Yes, it's very scary knowing they can kill you, rape you or end up throwing you in prison while doing that.
By a lonely harbor wall, she watched the last star falling As the prison ship sailed out against the sky Sure she lived and loved and prayed For her love in Botany Bay It’s so lonely round the fields of Athenry
Asylum seekers are fleeing for their reasons. Their goal in theory is to get to a place of safety. This is achieved as they enter the first European country. Many pick and choose the country they want to live in and ignore the rest. Those travelling directly to the UK are not just seeking asylum, they have targeted the country for whatever reason it may be. This suggests they are not just fleeing but unlawfully entering the country for their own personal benefit of the economy, lifestyle, culture etc. that they personally prefer. This should be forbidden. What should happen is a distribution system across Europe. If someone fleeing Iran enters Turkey, they should be processed there, being sent to another country that has the infrastructure to support them which can perfectly well be the UK. The problem isn't immigration or illegal immigration, it is the sheer mass of uncontrolled and unmanaged people that cause mayhem to the countries they turn up at because there's no feasible way for the countries to cope without distribution.
Thank you so much for covering this, I can't tell you how frustrated I've been when people refer to the barge as a 'cruise ship' and it makes me want to cry at how these people are being treated 😔💔
As a Canadian who has watched Canadians treated as second class citizens while Immigrants are granted government funds and steal jobs and education from actual Canadians, I'm not racist, but immigration destroys any sort of actual nationality and the worst is they don't even speak our language
Why do they come to Britain in the first place? There is no war in France or any of its neighbors so to say that they are just saving their lives is dishonest. And just to have it mentioned at least once: Asylum seekers can file their claim at a British embassy, of which there were plenty on the way to Western Europe. Conveniently they choose not to do this since they know that most of them dont have a claim
The saddest part about British politics is that as far as refugees and asylum seekers are concerned, neither party is any good. If you want to see the template of cruelty toward asylum seekers just look at what Blair did - voucher schemes for essential basics including food (TWICE! Because the first one was a disaster and both got scrapped), the construction of Yarls Wood detention centre and infecting the discourse around asylum with gestures towards "fairness" and cementing the notion of asylum seekers as split between 'the good ones who contribute to our society' and 'the bogus ones who need to be turfed out'. He wanted ID cards and started the conversation around the use of British Navy warships to intercept people traffickers and using RAF cargo transport planes to perform mass deportations with. He even asked the Attorney General if he could deport asylum seekers back to the last safe country they passed through under the Dublin Convention. He absolutely sowed the seeds which eventually bloomed into every major talking point of the new far right discourse around asylum seekers and refugees.
If you deny that there is a very clear difference between real refugees fleeing ACTUAL war and conflict, vs economic migrants who purposefully lie and claim they're from a war zone so they can get free admittance into Britain without having to prove who they are, then you're being purposefully obtuse. Real refugees who can prove that they are coming from a place with conflict deserve our help, economic migrants who are attempting to exploit our systems do not. End of story
I doubt I'll ever go back, in the 7 years I've lived abroad it has deteriorated even further. It's a money mad island run by psychos. The asylum seekers are welcome to it and it's shitty weather.
Tom, your content quality is superb. You can really tell how true that is when you look at how many subs you have almost match the amount of views you're getting. Thank you for the videos.
I really think its ironic the the English have resorted to condemning people to hulks again. It was common in the 18th Century. Eventually the hulks became so overcrowded that they decided to start transporting the prisoners to Australia instead - but in modern times they seem to prefer Rwanda ...
I was born 1998 but i remember pre-2010, things were better, we had an active community police force, making positive changes from within the community, we had way more funding in education etc... for example, when my brother was in college labour actually gave students aged 16-18 a free monthly allowance called EMA, life was so much better then! Also, with First Past the Post, people like you are still gonna vote labour anyway (if you want your vote to count) So Starmer needs to appeal to swing voters & previous Tory voters, this is VITAL in order to win an election and the only hope we have after 14 years of misery, despite what you may or may not think of someone like Corbyn, he's never, ever gonna win an election in a country with a predominately right-wing media and a huge population of right leaning people (see brexit) If starmer doesn't take a centrist position, labour will NEVER win an election.
Wouldn't it be much easier and better to just say you can't apply for asylum from inside the country and you have to do it at the closest embassy to your home country?
And where are they suposed to stay, while they wait years fir an answer? And even if it they manage that, you clearly never had to get an apointment at a foreign embassy Just to give 2 of many problems
That’s next. These kinds of things are usually a progress, you don’t start with floating box ships but eventually you may arrive there. The next step after the foreign asylum will btw. be banning men from certain regions. Don’t know if anyone will ever ban women but male children are certainly a the list somewhere. These measures will only get more severe - unless the population changes its mind ( it rarely does ). No judgment on my part btw. because stopping certain global trends like western neoliberalism or the mask off Chinese authoritarianism is more important than a niche issue affecting only a few million people.
There is the story, where 10 cookies are split between the rich and the poor. The rich takes 9 and hands one to the poor. Then he points to the strangers and says: "Look, they want a part of your cookie". People in Europe (and most likely the UK) are more and more afraid of loosing their quality of life. In the 1950-70s, they were rebuilding their destroyed countries. Higher education and better paying jobs became available to the "lower" classes resulting in a growing middle class. Even though the gap between the top 1% and the bottom 10% grew in the 1980s and early 90s, people still were optimistic. That has changed and it becomes harder and harder to "maintain" your social standing or to climb up the social ladder. So it becomes easier and easier for the "ruling class" to do what they have been doing since the dawn of time. Point to the evil outsiders and blame them for all those problems. Sadly, one of those groups are refugees.
First I heard of this I thought it would be like the temporary container homes you see here and there, but the Years and Years reference is definitely on point. Jesus.
What makes this so ridiculous is the sardine factor. I voluntarily did accommodations similar in size for a couple of years (converted box truck) but being by yourself in that space is perfectly doable with some careful consideration... those people are all but piled in to those boats... even having 1 friend "over" made life very difficult... 6? Haha I don't think so.
It's kinda funny in a horrifying way that whenever new and horrific living concepts are thougth up the three populations they will be forced on are prisoners, refugees and students. That the first two don't count as humans in a tory's mind is clear, but students also? Also in the year of our lord current year shouldn't we as a species be beyond forcing people to share their most intimate spaces with strangers?
@@dianatortolini7842 OP is referencing that either this ship or a similar one was proposed to be used to house student on. (I've already partially forgot about that part of the video, but it's there.)
Sadly we aren’t and sadly, if we want to beat the neoliberal crowd, we will need to play this part of the game according to their rules no matter the morals of it because if we don’t, this issue gives them far too much uncontested power.
It was originally made for use by a Swedish deep sea mining company under the name "Floatel Stockholm". However the company never used it, and it was eventually rebadged by the company that made it after themselves, thus becoming Bibby Lines "Bibby Stockholm"
Thank you very much for pointing out the unfortunate direction that this is going in. Was happy to see that we (germans) accomodate so many asylum seekers. People like you sir are a blessing to humanity and our world. All the best for you
No it is not the 'stock trade of the right' it is the stock trade of the people in power always has been and always will be left or right means nothing ut a different coat of paint an fancy mask
@@GeraldEatsSoup Anywhere where English is spoken, the Anglosphere, is an exceedingly poor choice. We all know the US is shit, Canada is only a tiny bit better, and Australia is horrible also.
@@alexcarter8807 A lot of refugees speak some english though, even if not fluently, because it is such a common language for international trade and industry. More second-language speakers than any other by far.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head with your coverage of the facts and options available to the conservatives if they actually wanted to solve the issue. I really hope that if labour take office that they act with more compassion
From the sound of things, not really. Labour has gone New Labour again. Tory-Lite. They're going to get into power not by offering real change, but a continuation of tory policies and the *feel* of change. "Give the other side a go for a bit"
@@DragonNexus yeah righ, cause I heard that your (assuming you're british) labour party was flipped to being a conservative party in the 80's, so when the original commenter said the I hope labour will be more compassionate line, I thought it had flipped back again. But now, are there any left leaning popular parties in the UK anymore?
I don't remember where I heard it, but there's a heuristic for understanding political actions that just hurt people for no obvious reason: The cruelty is the point. If you start from that premise in such cases, it can often help understand why someone would do the things they do with no regard for the suffering they cause.
well in this case, very much so. see also the idea to export illegal immigrants to Rwanda, I'm guessing the way the gvt looked at it was 'if we make the thought of getting caught so bad, no one will come' whilst not quite working out, getting shot is a smidge worse than sitting in a dull hotel room where its safer
For reference, last year, there were 40,000 long term arrivals by small boat, while 36,000 who came into the country legally also claimed asylum. We also took in over 100,000 people on the Ukraine scheme, 50,000 on the Hong Kong scheme (British National (Overseas) visas), and 6,000 via other humanitarian routes. Overall net migration (those coming here and intending to stay at least a year, minus those leaving here and intending not to return for at least a year) was over 600,000.
Is this why no dentists in the three counties around me are accepting NHS patients? Is this why I can't get a GP appointment, and why houses are unaffordable? 🤔 Or are those naughty unpermissable thoughts?
@@BritishJuche do you think refugees are occupying houses en masse? lol, Ukrainians have to be *very* lucky to get a house, and anyone else probably isn't even given the right to worl, so they don't even have the chance. if the government spent money on the NHS or more housing instead of "stop the boats" policies which literally do not work at reducing refugee numbers, that would alleviate the problems you mention, but the current government has been concertedly trying to stop the boats with stupid policies and failing while they let the country go to shit
@@BritishJucheNo, decades of inadequate wages and program funding are why services are stressed. Less people are willing to work public jobs that increasingly ask for more work with less pay, thus the programs continue to face worsening delays as they have fewer, less experienced workers to do the work. The rich who contrive to evade paying their fair share and starve public services to create privatization opportunities, not the person also waiting in line with you, is why the lines are so long.
Reminds me of HBO's Rome. A scene where Antony is talking to Cleopatra and when discussing visiting Egypt, Antony answers: "I cannot abide ships. Too much like prisons, nay? --With the added threat of drowning."
It is kind of depressing to see the exact same retoric and misunderstandings in the UK as we've had in Sweden since at least 2015. I mean, just wow... And... that ship is truly something out of a dystopian movie. They cannot be truly serious about thinking it is a real solution to anything... The best I can think of is that they secretly are hoping that the ship "accidentally" sinks with all the humans on board so the problem just vanish...
Swedish workers used it for accommodation in the construction of a wind farm in 2018. I’m sure you would have been fine with that. It didn’t sink, catch fire, or turn into a legionella Petri dish in that time.
I dunno but I've voluntarily done the "volume" described at least, in the form of a converted box truck... 2 years... A much more "free" situation, but to say the space isn't doable, that's inaccurate. What pushes it over the side for me is the number of people. Just too many wild cards. One dude on his own is one thing. Piled into a barge with a bazillion other people is a whole different animal.
Brits: Where do Brittons get a land & space of their own? Where will your unique culture celebrated? According to your youth: Nowhere you don’t deserve a country. But immigrants do deserve yours … SMH
i might have cared when i was a kid, but the world isn't that nice. no way should we be doing anything for any immigrants when we have our own homelessness and poverty crises.
It feels weird to me that only TIL that the reason why Space Hulks in Warhammer 40k aren't named after the Marvel Hulk, but most probably (to a near certainty), that it is in reference to these awful prison ships. Just to add to the bleakness of Warhammer 40k, it seems easy to merely replicate life sometimes.
You know what I love about the UK? In every post apocalyptic dystopian work of Sci Fi Britain turns into a totalitarian nightmare. 1984, V for Vendetta... it's a trope. And Tories are actually working on making it true! Also it's pleasing to see that they are celebrating Britain's naval history by reviving the tradition of prison ships.
Each time our warships operated out of Portland we sailors 'suffered' those 'inhumane' conditions. Prison ship surrounded by guards and gates. All we could eat, weekly pay, leave, shelter, free medical and welfare back-up services. It was sheer hell. We had signed up for 4-star hotels and a fawning public to serve our interests.
There was a prison ship right there on Portland from 97-05. Difference was that was actually a prison which locked people in their rooms at night and not floating accommodation.
they'd rather try schemes which utterly fail to decrease refugee numbers than build more houses or fund the NHS better to help everyone, refugee and not, unfortunately
@@nomdeplume5446 I honestly am glad to have done one good thing today, and it was giving you your well akchually moment :) And punch in a few comments on this video for the algorithm
Oh. And I thought Estonia was being an AH for putting the asylym seekers in a countryside village in the middle of nowhere with a population of 300, because there's nothing to do there apart from hiking. And that they have to wait for like a year to get a decision. (Although a refugee I know said it was kind of good for them personally, because they had PTSD from what they experienced before their escape, so having no noise, no cars, no people etc kinda helped. But at the same time when they wanted to come to Tallinn overnight, they had to provide the number of the host to the authorities and the director of the establishment called to make sure they were staying with that host... which I think is pretty inhumane.)
That sounds like a pretty good way of dealing with it all in. There's not a perfect system for dealing with asylum seekers, it's always a matter of trade offs between competing needs. The goal should be finding the least bad and efficient option, with shortest processing times. The Tory's seem to have gone for the opposite approach. Make everything take ages and do it as slowly, inhumanly and expensive as possible.
@@davescott7680 I think we have other refugee centers in other places too, including in cities, but this is just the most famous one and the only one I personally know people from. In our case the criticism is "refugees have spent like a year or two here already before getting approved, but they know nothing about our culture or language by the time they get accepted".... but if they are chucked into this countryside, albeit picturesque, HOW can they get integrated then?! They can get integrated with moose in the forest and ticks in the fields :D Well, the latter are more sociable than an average Estonian, but still. With the processing times we had a scare when the far right party was in the government. Before that it was smooth (read: as slow as any other administrative proceedings), but as soon as the far right guy became the minister, the orders to the border police became bluntly to deny all applications regardless of how obviously they were justified, so ALL asylum seekers were forced to go through the court system, and the ministry knew there were not enough resources for all their legal aid. The poor NGO lawyers worked overtime, pro bono and totally their asses off to help people. And the courts, which are painfully slow here anyway, due to being overburdened, had to deal with all this stuff. Also, the ministry hired lawyers to argue the cases in the court on the part of the border police, so all around a massive waste of resources. Thankfully this government lasted less than 2 years, because the far right party guys were constantly saying inappropriate/outrageous things and their coalition partners had to apologize for a new scandal of theirs like, every week, so the coalition crashed :D
Back around 2914 or 2015. It was said. The best way to spread a pandemic was by people on airplanes traveling around the world. The seekers come from countries that have never had a single vaccine shot. Also. Their own countries, they once called home, are filled with many different diseases. That makes. That nightmare Scenario way back then. Today, a fact.
The langauge and messaging the Tory party has been using has been nothing short of appalling - it should be portrayed as Fascist Far-Right vitriol with anything but the most tabloid of news media. Thank you for presenting the facts of the siutation so clearly and succintly in this video, and making it abundantly clear exactly why the methodology of the Tory Party is so horrendous in this case.
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Propaganda pusher! The West is NOT responsible for the rest of the world! The great replacement theory is NOT a theory and its a shame there are so many fools willing to destroy the western world. Didn't you just have 100 000 people cheering on Hamas in London? Hows mass migration working out for you?
by the way, all of the links on the pateron don't work because you've included a period at the end of them. might be worth a fix
DUDE YOU TALK WAY TOO MUCH, EVER HEARD OF BEING CONCISE? -_-" (JUST MAKE THE POINT & PROVIDE PROOF...)
@@choiceschoices5910Ummmmmm pretty sure No one is forcing you to listen to him whether he is or isn't talking too much !!??!!
Why aren't you talking about Ukraine or Palestine?
To rent three of these prison Hulks is costing us £1.6 billion, for that amount of money you could build and outright own the largest Cruise ship ever built the Royal Caribbean Icon Of The Seas with capacity for 7,600 passengers living in luxury and 2,350 crew, with 20 restaurants, pools, a threatre, the largest water park at sea etc. Not 1,500 in conditions deemed as unsafe by the fire department. This is not done for saving money in the slightest, I can garentuee the owner of those barges has donated to the Tory party.
How many of these doctors and lawyers are you personally feeding and housing????
@@tableshaper4076shit bait? I think? Or maybe a stroke. Who knows.
@@tableshaper4076 what has this got to do with my comment? Also to compare a country to a house is mind boggling niave. Not to mention have you not learnt from Ukraine that ~200,000 people were housed in this very way, so your non-sequitors has already been disproved.
It's always someone getting absurdly rich from this ridiculous projects disguised as "innovation"
@@tableshaper4076 "Are you the most perfect person on earth? No? Then you're not allowed to criticize cruelty anywhere."
The absolute irony of British people being concerned about tax payer money going to the "luxurious lifestyle" of strangers they've never met.
Agreed. Then again, these are the very same people who were leeching money from the EU and still believed that they deserved more influence. The only reason the Brexit vote even went through is because the rights protected by EU law and safety standards set by the EU were getting in the way of profits
Most Brits haven't met the royal family and they are quiet strange.
What irony
@@rendomstranger8698ummm how were we leeching?
@gothicgolem2947 he's referring to the American revolution.
As a student in the university of Galway the fact that ship was considered for student accommodation doesn't surprise me at all 😂
You are making me so interested to find out more about your university. 😂😂😂
@@sivuyilemtsi9840oh wow really ? What did you learn ?
@@tfpnation6925 I actually wanted Adam to expand more on his personal experience with the university that would make him say this. Lol!
Yea, don’t put the immigrants in these boats put your own citizens! The British government is 95% traitors!
Honestly, a party ship sounds pretty cool
The last time Brittan used prison boats my entire nation was born
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New rule: If your idea for solving a problem can serve as the plot for a dystopian novel or horror story with minimal exaggeration, ERASE YOUR WHITEBOARD AND START OVER.
So I shouldn’t create the Torment Nexus from classic sci fi novel “Don’t create the Torment Nexus!”?
@@darkithnamgedrf9495 No, probably not a good idea.
Here's another idea. If you happen to be writing a dystopian novel or horror story, check out British Politics.
@@SomaNova Or American politics, since the US is honestly no better. Although Australia has also been doing these sorts of things for over a decade already.
@@natsume-hime2473or canadian healthcare (or so ive heard)
I used to live in Hamburg until 2011, and I remember very well the massive public opposition against these inhumane "housing" ships on the Elbe river that eventually led to their removal in 2006. My cleaning lady at the time, a refugee from Armenia, had been living on Bibi Stockholm's sister ship, Bibbi Altona, when she first arrived. Her account of the living conditions there were vivid and horrifying. She was eventually moved to an apartment, but only after two of her children became chronically ill. I'm shocked to see the ships put back in use in the UK for the very same reasons the city of Hamburg got rid of them.
Horrendous to read. More horrendous to think of the way the UK is going. Genuinely just so sad all round.
It’s crazy- we have enough land and housing to go around, but maintain manufactured scarcity so people work to pay rent.
Non of these are refugees, all male dumped on a small island in the UK
@@OAPHarmerHerrStarmler what are you babbling about kid?
@@OAPHarmerHerrStarmler you also clearly never finished high school, so I wouldn't finish that victory lap just yet. Not that you could.
I love how the people who talk about avoiding indoctrination are the most indoctrinated people out there. How embarrassing really
New York City has an actual jail barge, Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center, opened in 1992. It houses 870 incarcerated people in large rooms of ~60 with communal bedding. As this is a jail, none of it's inhabitants have been convicted yet.
It actually closed this month, but it was parked across from Rikers, in the Bronx, for the last 30 years. Valuable to think through as a supplement to this topic.
At least since it’s a jail, most people wouldn’t be staying there for long. At least it makes some sense in a densely populated area like New York, still pretty bad tho.
@@darkithnamgedrf9495 fun fact the average time spent in jail (without conviction) for non-bail prisoners in New York State in August 2021 was 286.5 days (nine months). an increase of 44% over last year. For people who are legally innocent.
TIL the difference between a jail and a prison for the first time. Thank you
In the US, though, it's possible to be held before trial for years and years on end.
@@alexcarter8807Atlanta holds people in jail with no charges
I remember as a young adult thinking that things would get better for everyone with the passing of time.
But I was obviously naive.
The world is in fact getting worse for the poor and those seeking out a better life for themselves and their children.
So much for progress.
If, like me, you're a child of the 90s/early 2000s in the west (the 'end of history' era)the there was definitely a lot more optimism about the future and a sense of stability which tricked down to me as a kid. I wonder if kids these days even have such an optimistic attitude. I doubt they do.
Too many people in the world competing for limited resources. Only going to get worse.
@@joewills7582I'm 17 and, no.
No, we do not.
@@goldgeologist5320 No. It's not a matter of limited resources. We have all the resources we need to feed and house everyone. It's a matter of resource distribution. It's a matter of people with billions of dollars hoarding them, to the detriment of the vulnerable. It's a matter of authoritarians invading and bombing and ethnic cleansing, denying people their homes, livelihoods, and basic human dignity. It's a matter of cruel bigots who hate those who are different; who have more than they will ever need or could even ever use if they tried, and who will tell lies deflecting blame for their greed and power-grubbing onto those who are powerless.
I remember back when I could never even imagine moving out of Canada and then me now, if Fidel Castro Jr. Wins the next election I'll likely just move to and get citizenship and relinquish my Canadian citizenship
Just to add making it illegal to claim aslyum if you have entered the country without announcement. Is most useful to human traffickers as victims will not go to the government for help. As the government would treat them as a criminal and afford no protections for being trafficked. A genuinely horrifying dilemma.
How many have you invited into your home?
If you want asylum then why enter the county unannounced?
@@LoneWolf-rc4go says the guy whose father go around other countries plundering and murdering people, leaving all sorts of problems for todays world😂😂
@@LoneWolf-rc4go - "If you want asylum then why enter the county unannounced?"
Because that's how asylum works and has always worked? You enter the country, and apply for asylum. What do you think "announce" is supposed to mean here?
@@tableshaper4076 what has this got to do with my comment? Also to compare a country to a house is mind boggling niave. Not to mention have you not learnt from Ukraine that ~200,000 people were housed in this very way, so your non-sequitors has already been disproved.
I worked on a small passenger ferry in the US and I would like to share some thoughts.
This is a terrible idea. The amount of labor and money it takes to maintain a ferry that can only hold 400 passengers for about 15 minutes would be minuscule compared to the amount of resources it would take to house that many people. We are constantly cleaning and maintaining the vessel. Plus we are regularly doing safety drills and practicing for emergencies. I would be terrified even have a MOB when there are people who may not speak the same language. On a boat it is incredibly important for everyone to be able to communicate to avoid people dying.
In a sane society you would be right. But in this case the suffering is a feature, not a bug.
The cruelty is the point. It's about sending a message to future refugees and ethno-nationalists alike.
You seem to have the impression that a catastrophical failure that will cause the deaths of many people is not part of the plan
@@martins.4240 they love making people's lives worse it's what they do and I love the fact that the Asian women is taking about imagination as a black man who has had the same conversations with other people of color I always say to them why don't you lead by example and fuck of first and watch there heads start spinning like there possessed
maybe in the us, we dont have enough social housing in the uk as it is and houses here aren't made of cardboard so aren't fast or cheap to build
Bold of you to assume that anyone would be concerned with safety, comfort, or health.
As an Australian whose ancestor was held on a hulk before being transported this feels like things have come full circle.
Where is your ex husband carole??
@@Dartmoorexplorers no husband, only tiger poo now.
@@Carole_Baskin 🤣🤣🤣
Comparing apples to oranges.
Sometimes feel like some things don't seem to change
gosh, the statistic of people waiting for the responce from the UK government gave flashbacks of my family waiting more then 3 month with no legal way to gain some money in Poland during spring 2022. Well, at least we have found some truly generous people who have helped us.
I volunteered for a refugee charity in a city with a very large bridge over a deep, fast flowing and turbulent river. When I echo Tom's point that this policy will lead to deaths I'm not talking in some abstract academic way. Putting people in emotional distress in such a position will result in preventable suicides.
Citation needed. @@domingodesantaclara1130
@@domingodesantaclara1130What is wrong with you?
@@domingodesantaclara1130 holy crap, I can't imagine an adult having such a childish, naive, [and baseless] view of the world.
Are you seriously too dim to think of a situation in which one can leave their country for a good purpose rather than, as you put it, "abandoning" their homeland? That's just so darn silly lol. Do you need examples? I work with a lady from Ecuador who came here because the local drug lord developed a crush on her and wouldn't take "no gracias" as an answer, if ya feel me. Went after her family and everything.. it was some real unhinged shit by the sounds of it. Is *_she_* "abandoning" her homeland? I don't know _anyone_ who would put it that way other than perhaps a 14 year old trying to be edgy. Is that you?
And besides, who says I owe my homeland anything? I pay my taxes, I volunteer, I vote, I'm a good upstanding citizen. That's what I owe. As far as I'm concerned, as long as people are giving life their best effort and doing what they can wherever they happen to reside at that moment.. well, that's all you can really do! Similarly, if a mother or father believes that moving to another country could provide a better life for their family, how the heck is that "deserting their family"? It's the exact opposite: they're trying to provide a better life for their family!
If anyone should be feeling shame right now, I think it's you. Your comment makes me doubt that you have the capacity for that though :/
Regardless, I hope you have a relaxing rest of your weekend!
TL;DR it's ridiculous to give people shit for trying to make a better life for themselves/their family. There's nothing wrong with that. I do it. You do it. Everyone does it. Be kind.. it's not that hard ffs.
@@domingodesantaclara1130the only person who should feel ashamed here is you.
There was a story in The Observer this morning of a man who attempted suicide upon being told that he was being moved to the Bibbi Stockholm. It's already happening.
This is perhaps one of the worst ideas for a prison
And that's saying something.
Well in the 18th and 19th Centuries old ship of the line hulks were converted into prison ships to house ... well ... prisoners and prisoners of war. During the Napoleonic Wars, the mortality rate was up to eight percent!
Don't say that, you'll give private prisons in the US new ideas.
The japanese used prison barges in ww2 for allied POWs... it didn't go well.
The Tories: Making everything worse for everyone else.
“stop the boats” is a long standing motto of the conservatives in australia, and you’ll recall we have a prison island of our own (ironic)
Our Tories have explicitly modelled this on the Aussie system.
Even before Brexit they were extolling the virtues of "an Australia-style system", which of course at the time meant they focused on points for work visas and so on but everyone with a critical eye back then knew that meant they wanted to do offshore processing too.
Bibby Stockholm is actually kind of a compromise - they were going to put them on uninhabited islands in the British/French Channel at first.
even one of the articles featured in this video explicitly mentioned "australia-inspired" to refer to using Nauru for housing asylum seekers.
aya wtf australia, y u so cruel ah.
@@yukko_parra one of the weirdest things is how long that’s been going on. I know people who made protest songs (such as one played at a pride parade) in the early 00s, using voice clips from now-retired politicians. Yet it’s STILL ongoing.
Sometimes I wonder how it’s been allowed to happen so long, then I remember all the other stuff like Robodebt which was a sustained assault on the working class and various progressive-voting groups… ensuring people were too busy getting their belongings repossessed or even dying.
Thoroughly evil all round.
@@yukko_parra Mate, it's not Australia, it is conservative politicians. We are embarrassed.
Well we exported Murdoch media to the UK so it's pretty unsurprising.
You mention that the residents of the new jail ships "are not criminals." I would just point that most of the people who were 'transported' to the colonies in the 18th century were also not criminals, or not real criminals. They were victims of "the enclosure"- land grab by the rich that dislocated England's poor rural inhabitants, who were then hit with new "vagrancy" laws. Look poor and idle, you became a "vagrant" and got transported (or got conscripted for hellish work as sailors). Steal bread because you were hungry, you got "transported." Most of the "crimes" were due to extreme poverty.
One of the worst aspects of this, is that no one voted for it. The Tories calling “Stop The Boats” as one of “Your Priorities” despite the fact Sunak wasn’t even democratically elected is a travesty
Go to public baiting and stirring: Immigration, homelessness, trans people and LGBT communities' supposedly brainwashing children. Basically pick one each week and insight hate towards anyone where if they respond, they will be considered making the situation worse or if they don't respond, get called out for making the situation worse.
Every Torie voter voted for stopping the economic migrant flow.
@@theinternetbutler Some LGBT communities try and do exactly what you said. Children up to a certain age should not get such an unfiltered exposing. LGBT People should care about themselves and look for a way to deal with their neurodivergence and not normalise it to young, impressionable children.
@@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 unfortunately I wouldn’t know what’s happening at all times, the last time I stepped into a school was when I was a child.
However, it’s also specifically selective anger. There’s also a lot of bad things happen in schools, from information floating around. But, this topic seems to be run with the most as a publicity campaign.
What are you saying that neurodivergence? That all LGBT people are neurodivergent!
Did they vote to be replaced by Islamists?
These things have a gruesome history. The French used them to drown large numbers of Protestants in a relatively quick manner.
I don't think this is true; at very least, I've not found anything online to back it up. Please could you provide a source?
based.
@@alphamikeomega5728don’t know what you’ve googled but just google „French Protestant Prison Boat“ it’s really not that hard man, it’s the first fucking search result
@@alphamikeomega5728 The Drownings at Nantes in 1793 against royalist and Catholics where a thing, i don't know if they had used the same for the Huguenots.
@@alphamikeomega5728 I dunno about Protestants, maybe he's mixing up the St Barthelemy Massacre where protestant were thrown into rivers (like the Seine) and the Nantes Drowning mentionned by the guy above ? Well, 'cept that in Nantes the ships were used as prison cells mostly because of logistical issues and the fear of propagading diseases, they weren't *purpose made* prison ships as I understand it.
Children of Men was pretty visionary. Every year the UK is dropping deeper and deeper into what was portrayed in the movie.
Wait till the next recession hits. Things will start getting real then
The movie was based off a novel by PD James
We are well beyond 1984 for the psycho left.
@@tableshaper4076You know the authour of 1984 was a socialist talking about a far right british government that took a few lessons form Stalin, right? Like full on, went to Spain to volunteer in the socialist foreign legion during the spanish civil war.
@@tableshaper4076 Definitely
As an ameican i had no idea about these politics in england thank u for explaining it so non natives can fully understand these internitional issues. Well done
We also have a prison barge in ny
@@mattg4705we need more!
Basicly look at everything fucked up in Murican politics and assume it basicly had its roots in the Briish being a very normal people on a very normal island. And thats with the people who disagreed with this system having been shipped off to the colonys. Now imagine the state of the unfiltered original.
The refugees & asylum seekers. It sounded like they were talking about the issues of the US. Except we don't house them on a barge.
The prison barge in NY, I wonder if that costs more or less to house prisoners & how do they prevent the ppl from jumping ship? 🙀😾
@@Eagle93Writer calling the largest Imperial colonizers in history normal people is pretty fuckin generous of you. Well done.
"Stop the boats" they said.
Then they made more boats for refugees to suffer on.
The irony is that's about the most British thing ever at the moment - at the weekend there was a 'go slow' protest where about 100 people drove to Cardiff in protest of the new 20mph speed limit and they all got caught up in the congested traffic going into Cardiff where they were stuck driving far slower than 20mph and eventually had to be escorted and diverted off the motorway by police to get to The Senedd. Needless to say, they were all exclusively retirees who haven't quite figured out yet that due to increibly poor infrastructure, the 20mph speed limit far exceeds what is possible during rush hour on Welsh roads and despite a handful of noisy English Tories being really upset on our behalf, it hasn't actually affected people all that much because when most people use the roads with the new limits on they were never going above 20mph anyway.
@@PostingCringeOnMain I've found the backlash against 20mph fascinating. Some people with older cars make good points about gearboxes being tuned for 15 and 30, not 20, but that's not what most of the protest was about. As you say, hardly anyone gets a chance to even reach 20 anyway.
You gotta admit they have a good sense of humor.
Odd, is someone making them get on the boats?
@@tableshaper4076 stop going round every comment saying this. People are ignoring you for a reason (and I know sadly this is giving you the engagement you crave, but I hope others see it and stay shtum).
It’s childish and ignores the actual reasons for people seeking asylum. All so you can make a simplistic “gotcha!” and get a brief dopamine rush - apparently short enough that you need another hit less than a minute later on another comment. It’s pathetic.
"The cruelty is the point."
Cruelty is a big stretch. It’s accommodation. If you’ve ever slept on a passenger ferry in second class you’ve suffered “cruelty” by that measure.
@@kieran5191did you even ... watch the video ? bibby stockholm is inhumane . would you want to be treated like this over the ""crime"" of seeking aid ??
@@ddogteeth treated like what exactly? Given free board, pocket money, and being free to leave the boat to shore as and when you like?
@@ddogteeth
Seeking aide is not a crime.... stop being a drama queen . .
THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE......
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THE ODDS!!!
RUSSIAN ROULETTE !!!!!!
HUMANE FOR WHO???? THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND TO FEEL SAFE TO LIVE WITH OUT BEING TERRORIZED BY FOREIGNERS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ITS A CULTURE OF ONLY KNOWN HEART ACHE AND WILL TREAT OTHERS LIKE THEY WHERE TREATED WE SEEING THAT NOW IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES COLD BLOODED MURDER IS BEING COMMITED AND EVERYONE IS SAYING WE DONT WANT THEM, NO THEY CANT COME HERE.....
BUT NOT S. HIT ON WHO IS DOING THE KILLING AND WHO IS BACKING THEM NOT WITH JUST APPROVAL BUT ARMS BOMBS BULLETS ,
IF YOUR PICKING A SIDE ?????
UR STILL NOT GETTING IT.
WHY SHOULD A COURT DECIDE ???
WE THE PEOPLE SAY NOT ON OUR WATCH WE WONT ALLOW THE COLD BLOODED MURDER HAPPING NOW
IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
WE KNOW BETTER, TIME WE START ACTING AND DOING BETTER FOR EACH OTHER...
It should be spartan to discourage more3rd worldl chancers illegaly entering,
As an Australian, I feel so incredibly ashamed that asylum seeker detention policy has become so normalised. We have been imprisoning asylum seekers for nearly 30 years, and we're *still* doing it. Both our political parties have decided that offshore detention is just *fine*, storing asylum seekers in hotels, away from sight, that's *fine*. I'm so ashamed that these policies are being exported across the world.
Do the majority of Australians support that? Because I’ve heard lots of people on reddit and other places praise the Australian system as it did stop the boats.
Note haven’t seen Australians I just know that outside of there tons of people want to do a similar policy to Australia
@@gothicgolem2947 The boats still come, they don't stop coming. All that's happened is that there's no press around them arriving, because the asylum seekers are squirreled away, instead of turning up on the mainland. Our detention centres remain full of asylum seekers, which should tell you that the boats aren't getting stopped.
But yes, the public perception is a mostly positive one for our detention policy, regardless. Much like in Britain, there’s a strong racist element in Australian culture. A lot of Australians would prefer our borders entirely close, and we know this because we did entirely close our borders during COVID, and suddenly our extreme-right parties suddenly lost a ton of support...
Agreed. As an Australian I'm disgusted by how both sides of politics in this country treat asylum seekers. And yes this country is deeply racist (you usually don't see it because we aren't challenged that often day to day).
*I'm here with all of my people*
*Locked up with all of my people*
@@gothicgolem2947
Nah, this guy is a wanker (kirby comment).
You are correct, Aussies voted for the current immigration system, it's not bad for us "convicts".
So nobody's gonna mention that stone and mortar aren't designed to be on a boat and is prone to decaying faster?
As if the government doesn’t want to make this an expensive death trap
26:31 I think the phrase "orchestrated performance of cruelty" hits the nail right on it's racist head. Very well put together video. Thank you!
Yeah borders are so racist, we should just let in anyone and everyone who wants to come here
Why don't you take care of one of those illegal inmigrants instead? People like you will brag about how good they are for allowing illegal migrants but then won't do anything. If you care about those illegal inmigrants so much then allow them.to enter your house. Help them with your house
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 I strongly suggest you listen to 16:37 again. Furthermore, you and I both know that "If you want them, welcome them to your home" is a bullshit argument right, left and centre.
@@thedave3880 You people got some actual arguments to bring to the table, or is bullshit flinging all you got?
You know as emergency housing that could be quickly redeployed to any coastal area and major river it sounds quite useful. Shame it's being used like this instead.
So its good enough for your own people but not those invading your country!
@@tableshaper4076 xenophobia never solved anything sir
@@tableshaper4076 This is a more nuanced explanation than you deserve, but the comment you were responding to was more about temporary housing for people in areas damaged by floods or storms, not long-term housing for asylum seekers. Also, not an invasion, they're not a military force.
It's good enough in an emergency when nothing else is available. Never long term. It'd have to offer a lot more space for that. @@tableshaper4076
@@tableshaper4076 How's Brexit going on for you
Oh cool! Untold manmade horrors within my comprehension! Thank you for raising awareness of these atrocities Tom
>manmade horrors
>well within my range of comprehension
>this does not make it better
>it makes it worse
Best comment by far.
What IS beyond my comprehension is how people still believe "They're just as bad as each other" After watching and reading about horrors like this. (It happens every time a Tory is in office.)
It’s a floating hostel, not “man made horror beyond comprehension” you big girls blouse.
@@kieran5191someone doesn't understand internet vernacular
@@CiCodiCadno then internet vernacular is stupid. To be fair I did misread it, but it’s obviously a take on Teslas quote. Not sure if it is sarcastic or not, if it is my bad. But if not, man up ffs.
I think there's a blind point in not looking at where the UK right got this idea from: Australia. Even the "stop the boats" phrase comes from our ex-PM Tony Abbott. Australia has been throwing around immigration as a political football for over 20 years at this point, with multiple human rights abuses occuring at our offshore detention facilities where asylum seeker were kept in processing.
Unfortunately it looks like the Liberal-National coalition, our conservative opposition party is working up to have another go at it soon.
Then take care of those illegal inmigrants in your house.
The main issue is that mass immigration of fairly unskilled people from particulars foreign cultures is so unpopular ( for a variety of reasons ) that it’s just not worth to help a couple hundred thousand people if you risk a populist neo liberal "conservative" ( nothing conservative about them most of the time outside of rhetoric ) government as a result.
The Danish model is arguably the best at stopping the far right populists so far since it "sacrifices" the issue in favour of far more wide reaching solutions affecting far more people. I think it’s ultimately the right choice.
Getting "tough on foreigners" may be inhumane to some extent but it prevents far worse things from happening.
I wish to get off this timeline where being performatively cruel to the disadvantaged has been turned into a spectator sport.
Yes. The cruelty pumped out by legacy media and politicians is awful. It's no wonder nobody listens to them anymore. People are almost entirely good natured and just feel confused and alienated hearing all this tripe
You have to vote the torys out and never elect them again.
@@michaeladkins6 it wouldn't make a scrap of difference. Tory, Labour and the mainstream media will continue as before. There needs to be a shake up. A new constitution
@@seanoconnor8843 - "it wouldn't make a scrap of difference. Tory, Labour and the mainstream media will continue as before."
You say that because you haven't tried. As they say, put up or shut up: get Labour in power for a decade and see if these problems persist. If they do, then we can talk.
"There needs to be a shake up. A new constitution."
I have zero faith in people who advocate revolutionary rhetoric, but are in practice too lazy and unenthusiastic to even bother with the barest possible minimum that is voting.
@@KingBobXVI I agree with you on the apathy but I'm more disillusioned than anything. I was canvasing for Labour councilor and parliamentary candidates since I was 13. I have voted Labour in every single election since turning 18. Thankfully I'm starting to care again after 40 years of political engagement
Ya gotta call it a "Hulk" for historical accuracy. The original prison Hulks were the source of many of Australia's first colonists.
Georgia was the penal colony in the United States. It's how the state began.
Strange. I remember prison boats being the exact same reason why the British government began sending them to America instead pre-1770. We know how that turned out
If in doubt, keep ‘em out!
Sci-Fi Author : In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale
Governements around the world : At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus rom classic sci-fi novel "Don't Create the Torment Nexus"
The refugee crisis has been used in Spain for political points too. Right wing politicians are winning ground complaining about illegal immigrants while they drown in our sea. Its heartbreaking honestly.
And you know what form an American perspective well here they don't fix the problem at all they use imagrant as cheap point to win meanwhile they make living existence for everyone worst even their their supporters unless your a rich arsehole
If they won’t come illegally they wouldn’t drown.
@@jandav1269 what about the people who are legally seeking asylum, should they drown just because someone near them is MAYBE migrating illegally? I also want to know what part of being migrant means you should die without a hearing? and I say hearing because it's not illegal to migrate and seek asylum.
I also want to know why you are so callous, who hurt you? Citizens of a country are far more likely to commit crimes than migrants, so maybe you should be put on trial, oops I mean you should be put out in the open ocean, you may have committed a crime
@@jandav1269Wow.
Yeah that's happening over here in Germany as well, it's deeply worrying
Yeah I remember reading about the British prison ships on the Hudson River during the American Revolution.
The japanese used prison barges in ww2 for allied POWs... it didn't go well.
@@geewillickers7193 How many times are you going to repeat this statement like a broken record?
well it didn't go well didn't it?
Half of them will have no natural light or exercise areas it's insane as well as cruel and inhuman .
How many of these illegals do you plan to house and feed, not everyone else, YOU?
@@tableshaper4076 That's not making an argument about hypocrisy like you think it is. Making that kind of argument just makes you personally look like a complete fool. Which all of your other comments do to. Since you're spewing propaganda that supports literal genocides happing right now.
There will be claiming people you mean "gyms" by "exercise areas". Maybe someone has already done so. I can't see the other two replies you've got so far.
@@camelopardalis84 no I ment open space to walk in the air not gyms I can only see your post too
@@odinallfarther6038 I knew what you meant, just to be clear. And it's odd that you, too, as OP can only see my reply but not the others.
I wish something like this coild be run on the news. It needs to be seen everywhere
You mean all the young fighting age men fleeing their counties to invade others, I agree, they really should be reporting on this. I didn't see any MS media coverage of the 100 000 muslims in London cheering on Humas beheading children, shameful.
It's just the same kind of leftist bs we had in Germany a few years ago. The only result of listening to it and following the advice is: 3x more economic refugees per capita than Britain, tendency increasing.
Seeing "Stop the Boats" as a British slogan is scary. It came from the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his response to Asylum-seekers coming by boats. It was gross then and is grosd now
It worked for Australia, totally put a stop to the boat arrivals
@@BritishJucheyep, it totally worked 😂
By far the majority of asylum seekers were coming by plane already, and they kept coming by boat too.
@@BritishJucheit didn’t work at all, the Australian government changed the criteria to what “coming by boat” was to skew the data. Even then they kept coming but the Murdoch and fairfax news media had an agreement with the government to not report on boat arrivals. The information is available and has been published if you look for it.
@@BritishJucheexcept the Australian government's willful effort to break international law and abandon the UN refugee convention didn't stop the boats...
I suppose if you had a clue, you wouldn't be advocating for brutal authoritarian fake communist dictatorships in your name, would you.
i dont want to even think about how far "stop the boats" will go as anti immigration politicians and public sentiment gets more aggressive. how exactly might they start.. /stopping/ the boats? it's horrific to think about.
My father came into the United States around 1930. He arrived at Ellis Island and they processed most immigrants on the day that they arrived. OK, half of the paperwork could be performed onboard ship before it arrives in New York. A simple clerk checked off the boxes, and if you passed you were given a Green Card and your were in. Today, there will be international computer checks before all of the boxes can be checked. Probably need a much higher level official doing what is essentially a clerk's job.
That quick processing also led to a boom in productivity for the United States. With the exception of the great depression, the US saw a massive workforce and productivity boom from the 1890s to the 1950s, largely because of our acceptance of immigrants.
If you look at the US economy today, you'll find millions of vacant jobs in entry level positions, especially in agriculture and service industries. These jobs could very effectively be filled by immigrants looking to start their new lives in the United States. Instead, what you see are states like Florida/Texas clamping down on immigration while attempting to lower and remove child workforce laws. These child workforce laws exist to encourage children to go to school instead of dropping out and working.
Well, to be fair, a lot of Asylum Seekers don’t have all their papers in order, and being a refugee isn’t the same as simply being an immigrant who’s seeking permission of residency!
Today, if I want to work or study in the US or UK, I can start the application process without even leaving my home!
But if you’re a refugee, there’s basically three ways;
If you live in a UN affiliated refugee camp, you can be so lucky that you become one of a small number of UN quota refugee (this is most often families and single mothers with small kids, and if a kid is handicapped it increases the chances).
Or you have to find a way to physically go to the country where you wanna apply for Asylum, and when arrived contact the border guards, police, or similar authority, and in most countries this involves some level of detainment, at least until the authorities has registered you and cleared that you’re not a wanted criminal or already has been denied Asylum or has an ongoing Asylum case being processed (example of this is in regards to the EU where we will look into if someone has been denied Asylum in another EU country, or if they are in an ongoing process, they will be sent back to the country currently processing their case).
The third way is through family reunification programs, which are the reason why most Asylum seekers in European countries who turn up at borders quite often tend to be older teenagers, young men, and/or family fathers. They simply have higher chances of surviving the often extremely dangerous journeys that sometimes involves several boat crossings and harsh living conditions while waiting for a chance to get onboard a boat! If they are then granted asylum, as more than 80% of those applying is, they can then apply for their closest relatives to be allowed to join them, and then their families can take much safer routes as they’ve already been granted refugee status!
Of course this is a very rough description of how it works!
But it’s very different from people immigrating due to other causes!
Of course there’s also people who simply want to immigrate who starts out on these dangerous journeys and who might end up in a boat with Asylum Seekers, but they’re usually sent back to their country of origin, (at least if we talk about how it works here in the EU)
Occasionally there’s also individuals who is turned down for Asylum, but for various reasons, such as their country of origin refusing to accept them back, and unless they’re willing to go to another country that will accept them, they end up in a limbo - and how various EU countries deal with them varies a lot.
My own country is probably among the worst as we put them in centers that are very much similar to low security prisons, one of the centers even used to be such a facility - and they then end up having to deal with basically criminals who are supposed to be expelled from my country, but for similar reasons can’t be!
It used to be that asylum seekers who had been denied asylum, and criminals who had finished prison time, but for some reasons couldn’t be sent back to their country of origin (and occasionally due to no fault of their own), were allowed to live fairly normal lives, but then some media outlets and far-right politicians decided that it was something they could use and now even our SocDem is competing with the far-right in making conditions as intolerablere as possible, to the point where there at a time even was suggestions of more or less isolating them in facilities on an island that were last used as a research facility into dangerous viruses and bacterias!
Oh, and my government is also pursuing the Rwanda idea, and another idea where they want to send prisoners who are going to get expelled from the country when they’ve finished their time in prison, to a prison in Kosova!
It’s not like it will save any money, au contraire, it will most likely be more expensive in the end, as we are obliged to ensure they’re given similar standard as in one of our own prisons, including a similar level of healthcare, which probably only can be guaranteed by using expensive private hospitals in Kosova! So it’s all about political grand standing and showing that they’re "tough" on foreigners who commit crimes here…
Also, some of those convicts they want to expel were infants when they arrived here, they’ve never known anything but my country and have wife and kids here - sure, they might identify as also being Syrians or Palestinians, but they have absolutely nothing down there aside from maybe a few distant relatives!
(Yes, our laws has also been changed making it much easier to revoke their permission of residency, and even laws making it possible to revoke their citizenship - which should be illegal as it’s a form of extra punishment that doesn’t apply equally for everyone)…
But anyway, sorry I went out on a tangent - I only intended to talk about how this issue with refugees arriving here in Europe is very different from traditional immigration, such as towards the USA nearly one hundred years ago!
Oh, and that’s without even going into the tragic issue regarding the USA turning down high numbers of Jewish refugees from Germany in and around the same time or within a decade from when OP's dad arrived and was processed at Ellis Island!
If someone arriving at Ellis Island didn't meet immigration standards, it was the responsibility of the shipping company to return the immigrant to the port of origination - at no charge. The priamary consideration was overall health, especially communicable diseases. Therefor, the vetting process for immigrants primairly occured at the port of origination and it was conducted by the private sector. By the time they reached Ellis Island, most immigration candidates were deemed acceptable. Today's process isn't nearly this restrictive. Today's process is "come one, come all."
@@karljohannessen4436
People have the right to seek Asylum and have their case heard!
@@karljohannessen4436
Well, there's a huge difference between people who simply just want to immigrate by ship or plane to the USA, and people who arrive at the border with a wish to get Asylum.
Unfortunately there are violations of Asylum Protections happening from both Democrats and Republicans, although one side is definitely more malignant in their approach to Asylum Seekers...
This has been happening in Australia for decades. We have "off shore" detention centres in countries like Naru where the facilities are worse than gaols. The big end of town such as Serco loves these measures because they commonly get the contracts to run them at huge profit margins. Australia went as far as to excise its own islands from the country so people could not claim they made it to Australia so they could put them back on dangerous boats and send them back to wherever they came from. Compassion is a commodity that is in short supply these days especially with conservatives.
It is extremely ironic that a country founded by convicts from Britain never learned a thing and just do exactly the same cruel thing to others.
Lying about the islands is like a 5 year old trying to lie about not eating the chocolate. While covered in it. Why do they even bother anymore? I don't understand.
The irony. With Australia itself being a penal colony full of the descendants of criminals.
You would think the nation would meter forget this and therefore treat people differently.
After all, what a horrendous and inhumane punishment, to have to live in Australia back in the day.
Granted, its not much better today, but that doesn't mean you want to make it worse for them.
Tldr us Australians have concentration camps
Indeed. Many of these same companies that run these containment camps are also affiliates of private military contractors that do protection services, weapons training and special combat operations around the world.
Australian Governments have been doing this for like 20 years now. we have whole prison islands we use as oubliettes for asylum seekers that are in flagrant violation of the UN charter of human rights. former PM Tony Abbott even ran on the same slogan as Rishi Sunak; "stop the boats". the australian government also took legislative action at the time to prevent journalists from even covering the asylum seekers. it is a deeply shameful and lingering part of my country's history. hopefully it does not become part of the UK's (in the modern era).
Asylum seekers = illegal inmigrants. Why don't you take care of one pr two of those illegal inmigrants? Of course you won't because it is so easy to play the moral high ground when other people has to deal with the issue. If you want illegal imigrants then take care of one of them in your house
An english prison ship named "Bibby" sounds like satire. It's like the government is *trying* to make a joke out of itself on the backs of thousands of people just trying to survive..
It is a disgrace to humanity, but having a "human freighter" named after my harsh, but quite inclusive birth city, rubs me in many unpleasant ways.
Tories complain about the government having no money but will gladly spend the government's money on provable money-wasting projects like these...
they cal always go home
What would you say is a better way to spend tax payers money? Put them in hotels?
For clarity the home office uses the nomenclature "detained" and "non-detained" in all instances for clarity and applies for everything from hotels to regular housing.
"They're not detained, they're just not allowed to leave."
We in Australia learnt about these as part of our history. Never once considered that they would be back.
I would argue the current Australian policy is not more humane though. Let me just quote human rights: "Australia has one of the strictest immigration detention regimes in the world. It is mandatory, is not time-limited and people are not able to challenge their detention in court. The average detention time is 806 days" At least most of the detained children and babies were released from the prisons around/ before 2016 (so much 4 history). But critics say that the gov. just relabeled some of the facilites
Anyone else sorting by newest to get depressed?
Damn, I feel called out 😂
me
Pro tip, Brits: if you see the Galactic Empire do something on Andor, you may wish to get horrified, not inspired.
😂😂😂😂😂 Star Wars is actually a sci-fi tell all of the Western model eventual demise. Written in advance.
“Look it’s not a prison, I don’t care how much it resembles a prison, or if it effectively imprisons it’s passengers. They’d have to be arrested to be prisoners and we skipped that step so they aren’t.”
Trump...is that you?
If in doubt, keep ‘em out!
So did nobody in this process notice that the name of their floating prison contains the name of a condition kidnapping and hostage victims feel?
It's also a city.....
Who the hell is "Bibby"?
@Gillsing It refers to the parent company Bibby Marine. This company is descended from Bibby Line, which was founded by John Bibby, a man who made his wealth trading slaves. (And yes, people have directly compared the conditions on the Bibby Stockholm to 18th Century slave ships.)
Cruella Braverman has taken us back 200 years, she gas brought back "prison hulks". If Charles Dickens could see it, he would say," Nothing has changed".
If Charles dickens saw it he would want to stay in it so that he wouldn’t have to crap in a potty in the corner. This isn’t a prison hulk it’s accommodation akin to a hostel or student accommodation. Migrants don’t need on the house 4-star pampering at tax payer expense.
Iceberg!!!
Very good video. You did omit a very important fact that of all the migrants, a lot are coming originally from Afghanistan and Iraq. Two countries the UK helped invade and occupy for decades. That they aren't even acknowledging that fact makes the tory scheme even worse. After the election, Im hoping the Cabinet members responsible, especially sunak and braverman spend some time in the barge thinking about what they have done
They wont ever see the inside of a broom cupboard little own a prison cell. See Blair, Bush and Howard for further proof.
yea it's like they are refusing to help people escape a place that they helped keep poor and violent.
Lol how brainwashed can you be
The US could probably do more heavy lifting in that regard, they caused the lion's share of upheavel and they have a lot more room free.
@@symbiote1982pk And luckily they are further away from whole mess too, so no, they won't do more heavy lifting.
This is one of the most dystopian things I've seen in real life
Don't look into Riker's Island prison. It's even worse than this.
@@cryptbeast3222 In the US they can just nab you off the street and stuff you into a place like Riker's where you'll stay for years before trial. There was a famous case not long ago of an underage kid being kept in Riker's for 2 years before I believe he killed himself. He was nabbed for stealing his own backpack, and what's more, doing so while black. Doing anything while black is risky in the US so why this kid stole a backpack that was in fact his own backpack, and what's more while black, what was he thinking?
@@alexcarter8807 I live in the US. The kid you are mentioning was simply taken as guilty without any actual evidence while returning home. He refused to bow to the accusations of the police, so they held him in prison. Most people in Rikers are there for being accused of a crime, not from being judged as criminals in court. In many cases in the US, black people are simply arrested and fucked with just because. I've been pulled over by police for problems that didn't exist, just because they wanted to mess with me. I've been taken and questioned for crimes I literally couldn't do because I wasn't in the area at the time. Yes, it's very scary knowing they can kill you, rape you or end up throwing you in prison while doing that.
@@alexcarter8807 yeah, that’s bull
By a lonely harbor wall, she watched the last star falling
As the prison ship sailed out against the sky
Sure she lived and loved and prayed
For her love in Botany Bay
It’s so lonely round the fields of Athenry
Asylum seekers are fleeing for their reasons. Their goal in theory is to get to a place of safety. This is achieved as they enter the first European country. Many pick and choose the country they want to live in and ignore the rest. Those travelling directly to the UK are not just seeking asylum, they have targeted the country for whatever reason it may be. This suggests they are not just fleeing but unlawfully entering the country for their own personal benefit of the economy, lifestyle, culture etc. that they personally prefer. This should be forbidden.
What should happen is a distribution system across Europe. If someone fleeing Iran enters Turkey, they should be processed there, being sent to another country that has the infrastructure to support them which can perfectly well be the UK. The problem isn't immigration or illegal immigration, it is the sheer mass of uncontrolled and unmanaged people that cause mayhem to the countries they turn up at because there's no feasible way for the countries to cope without distribution.
Seeking asylum is not illegal, happy to help
Thank you so much for covering this, I can't tell you how frustrated I've been when people refer to the barge as a 'cruise ship' and it makes me want to cry at how these people are being treated 😔💔
Then go bring them into your home or you are lying
As a Canadian who has watched Canadians treated as second class citizens while Immigrants are granted government funds and steal jobs and education from actual Canadians, I'm not racist, but immigration destroys any sort of actual nationality and the worst is they don't even speak our language
@@cindybindy3327 Lack of empathy much? You would feel completely differently if they were white… or your family. Deal with THAT.
you should also cry at how much of a state the UK is in and how we are all getting poorer and will never afford a home.
"Come, hell or high water?"
"Why not both?"
Would be nice if this video could go viral, especially in the UK. Share with as many people as possible!
Why do they come to Britain in the first place? There is no war in France or any of its neighbors so to say that they are just saving their lives is dishonest.
And just to have it mentioned at least once: Asylum seekers can file their claim at a British embassy, of which there were plenty on the way to Western Europe. Conveniently they choose not to do this since they know that most of them dont have a claim
The saddest part about British politics is that as far as refugees and asylum seekers are concerned, neither party is any good. If you want to see the template of cruelty toward asylum seekers just look at what Blair did - voucher schemes for essential basics including food (TWICE! Because the first one was a disaster and both got scrapped), the construction of Yarls Wood detention centre and infecting the discourse around asylum with gestures towards "fairness" and cementing the notion of asylum seekers as split between 'the good ones who contribute to our society' and 'the bogus ones who need to be turfed out'. He wanted ID cards and started the conversation around the use of British Navy warships to intercept people traffickers and using RAF cargo transport planes to perform mass deportations with. He even asked the Attorney General if he could deport asylum seekers back to the last safe country they passed through under the Dublin Convention. He absolutely sowed the seeds which eventually bloomed into every major talking point of the new far right discourse around asylum seekers and refugees.
If you deny that there is a very clear difference between real refugees fleeing ACTUAL war and conflict, vs economic migrants who purposefully lie and claim they're from a war zone so they can get free admittance into Britain without having to prove who they are, then you're being purposefully obtuse. Real refugees who can prove that they are coming from a place with conflict deserve our help, economic migrants who are attempting to exploit our systems do not. End of story
@@jupitersnoot4915 Do you not think the immigration department is capable of telling the difference?
Bring Blair back! If in doubt, keep ‘em out!
I sometimes think about moving back to the UK. Thanks for reminding me that it is a silly place.
I doubt I'll ever go back, in the 7 years I've lived abroad it has deteriorated even further. It's a money mad island run by psychos. The asylum seekers are welcome to it and it's shitty weather.
Put Rishi and Suella on the boat, alone. Then float it out to the middle of the Atlantic with no food and water and just let them to it.
Tom, your content quality is superb. You can really tell how true that is when you look at how many subs you have almost match the amount of views you're getting. Thank you for the videos.
I really think its ironic the the English have resorted to condemning people to hulks again. It was common in the 18th Century. Eventually the hulks became so overcrowded that they decided to start transporting the prisoners to Australia instead - but in modern times they seem to prefer Rwanda ...
On the up side Rowand now is starting to have a thriving economy! They say one of the fastest growing regions in Africa. 😆
Good they need more refugees for them then.
Awwww Snap;!!!
Next it's time to watch Labour do absolutely nothing about any of the issues because they are genuinely just a conservative party as well.
Same policies, sure, but Labour will say they feel really bad about it so that's nice, isn't it?
In what world is labour conservative?
I was born 1998 but i remember pre-2010, things were better, we had an active community police force, making positive changes from within the community, we had way more funding in education etc... for example, when my brother was in college labour actually gave students aged 16-18 a free monthly allowance called EMA, life was so much better then!
Also, with First Past the Post, people like you are still gonna vote labour anyway (if you want your vote to count)
So Starmer needs to appeal to swing voters & previous Tory voters, this is VITAL in order to win an election and the only hope we have after 14 years of misery, despite what you may or may not think of someone like Corbyn, he's never, ever gonna win an election in a country with a predominately right-wing media and a huge population of right leaning people (see brexit)
If starmer doesn't take a centrist position, labour will NEVER win an election.
Putting people on barges just seems like putting people in hotels with extra steps....
If they were 1 per "cell" it would be doable. 6 is ludicrous.
Wouldn't it be much easier and better to just say you can't apply for asylum from inside the country and you have to do it at the closest embassy to your home country?
And where are they suposed to stay, while they wait years fir an answer?
And even if it they manage that, you clearly never had to get an apointment at a foreign embassy
Just to give 2 of many problems
lol, if you can reach the closest embassy.
That’s next. These kinds of things are usually a progress, you don’t start with floating box ships but eventually you may arrive there. The next step after the foreign asylum will btw. be banning men from certain regions. Don’t know if anyone will ever ban women but male children are certainly a the list somewhere.
These measures will only get more severe - unless the population changes its mind ( it rarely does ). No judgment on my part btw. because stopping certain global trends like western neoliberalism or the mask off Chinese authoritarianism is more important than a niche issue affecting only a few million people.
In the many safe countries they have crossed@@foxwagen9865
There is the story, where 10 cookies are split between the rich and the poor. The rich takes 9 and hands one to the poor. Then he points to the strangers and says: "Look, they want a part of your cookie". People in Europe (and most likely the UK) are more and more afraid of loosing their quality of life. In the 1950-70s, they were rebuilding their destroyed countries. Higher education and better paying jobs became available to the "lower" classes resulting in a growing middle class. Even though the gap between the top 1% and the bottom 10% grew in the 1980s and early 90s, people still were optimistic. That has changed and it becomes harder and harder to "maintain" your social standing or to climb up the social ladder. So it becomes easier and easier for the "ruling class" to do what they have been doing since the dawn of time. Point to the evil outsiders and blame them for all those problems. Sadly, one of those groups are refugees.
First I heard of this I thought it would be like the temporary container homes you see here and there, but the Years and Years reference is definitely on point. Jesus.
What makes this so ridiculous is the sardine factor. I voluntarily did accommodations similar in size for a couple of years (converted box truck) but being by yourself in that space is perfectly doable with some careful consideration... those people are all but piled in to those boats... even having 1 friend "over" made life very difficult... 6? Haha I don't think so.
It's kinda funny in a horrifying way that whenever new and horrific living concepts are thougth up the three populations they will be forced on are prisoners, refugees and students. That the first two don't count as humans in a tory's mind is clear, but students also? Also in the year of our lord current year shouldn't we as a species be beyond forcing people to share their most intimate spaces with strangers?
Are you actually comparing sharing a dorm room with forced confinement in a detention center?
@@dianatortolini7842 OP is referencing that either this ship or a similar one was proposed to be used to house student on. (I've already partially forgot about that part of the video, but it's there.)
@@camelopardalis84 It would probably be fine, as long as it's within capacity.
Sadly we aren’t and sadly, if we want to beat the neoliberal crowd, we will need to play this part of the game according to their rules no matter the morals of it because if we don’t, this issue gives them far too much uncontested power.
Thanks Tom, appreciate the high production and research qualities of your videos on UK politics and history.
Hey, why did you name it after Stockholm?! Keep us out of this mad detention centers, British government!
Kind regards, everyone living in Stockholm
It was originally made for use by a Swedish deep sea mining company under the name "Floatel Stockholm". However the company never used it, and it was eventually rebadged by the company that made it after themselves, thus becoming Bibby Lines "Bibby Stockholm"
Probably named after the Stockholm syndrome from which the housed refugees end up suffering...
because it symbolises the british people's love for our captors
@@medes5597 Interesting, I see. So the British government didn't name it then :)
@@freja9398 No. Bibby Line is a Liverpool based shipping company who earned their fortune by being actively involved in shipping slaves.
with schemes like this - cruelty is always the point
I hope that this video will convince those who are sitting on the fence to distribute their votes accordingly.
Thank you very much for pointing out the unfortunate direction that this is going in. Was happy to see that we (germans) accomodate so many asylum seekers. People like you sir are a blessing to humanity and our world. All the best for you
Dehumanising of people is the stock trade of the right. We need to remind people that they are us.
Yes the right is us.👍
No it is not the 'stock trade of the right' it is the stock trade of the people in power always has been and always will be left or right means nothing ut a different coat of paint an fancy mask
You cant let those people wonder around If you dont Even know WHO they are.Hi from FINLAND🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
I always assumed migrants arriving in britain just got confused and were aiming for denmark. Who wants to go to britain?
As a british person i agree
@@GeraldEatsSoup Anywhere where English is spoken, the Anglosphere, is an exceedingly poor choice. We all know the US is shit, Canada is only a tiny bit better, and Australia is horrible also.
@@alexcarter8807 A lot of refugees speak some english though, even if not fluently, because it is such a common language for international trade and industry. More second-language speakers than any other by far.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head with your coverage of the facts and options available to the conservatives if they actually wanted to solve the issue. I really hope that if labour take office that they act with more compassion
isn't UK's labour still a conservative party?
From the sound of things, not really. Labour has gone New Labour again. Tory-Lite.
They're going to get into power not by offering real change, but a continuation of tory policies and the *feel* of change. "Give the other side a go for a bit"
@@GustobergIt is now. It wasn't under Corbyn.
Considering the lack of compassion displayed by Starmer towards the genocide of Palestinians I don't have any hope they will 😩
@@DragonNexus yeah righ, cause I heard that your (assuming you're british) labour party was flipped to being a conservative party in the 80's, so when the original commenter said the I hope labour will be more compassionate line, I thought it had flipped back again. But now, are there any left leaning popular parties in the UK anymore?
This aged well
I don't remember where I heard it, but there's a heuristic for understanding political actions that just hurt people for no obvious reason: The cruelty is the point.
If you start from that premise in such cases, it can often help understand why someone would do the things they do with no regard for the suffering they cause.
well in this case, very much so. see also the idea to export illegal immigrants to Rwanda, I'm guessing the way the gvt looked at it was 'if we make the thought of getting caught so bad, no one will come' whilst not quite working out, getting shot is a smidge worse than sitting in a dull hotel room where its safer
For reference, last year, there were 40,000 long term arrivals by small boat, while 36,000 who came into the country legally also claimed asylum. We also took in over 100,000 people on the Ukraine scheme, 50,000 on the Hong Kong scheme (British National (Overseas) visas), and 6,000 via other humanitarian routes. Overall net migration (those coming here and intending to stay at least a year, minus those leaving here and intending not to return for at least a year) was over 600,000.
Is this why no dentists in the three counties around me are accepting NHS patients? Is this why I can't get a GP appointment, and why houses are unaffordable? 🤔 Or are those naughty unpermissable thoughts?
Finally someone fucking says it, most of these comments are from people not paying attention.
Good to see not everyone here’s insane
@@BritishJuche do you think refugees are occupying houses en masse? lol, Ukrainians have to be *very* lucky to get a house, and anyone else probably isn't even given the right to worl, so they don't even have the chance. if the government spent money on the NHS or more housing instead of "stop the boats" policies which literally do not work at reducing refugee numbers, that would alleviate the problems you mention, but the current government has been concertedly trying to stop the boats with stupid policies and failing while they let the country go to shit
@@BritishJucheNo, decades of inadequate wages and program funding are why services are stressed.
Less people are willing to work public jobs that increasingly ask for more work with less pay, thus the programs continue to face worsening delays as they have fewer, less experienced workers to do the work.
The rich who contrive to evade paying their fair share and starve public services to create privatization opportunities, not the person also waiting in line with you, is why the lines are so long.
Reminds me of HBO's Rome. A scene where Antony is talking to Cleopatra and when discussing visiting Egypt, Antony answers:
"I cannot abide ships. Too much like prisons, nay? --With the added threat of drowning."
It is kind of depressing to see the exact same retoric and misunderstandings in the UK as we've had in Sweden since at least 2015.
I mean, just wow...
And... that ship is truly something out of a dystopian movie. They cannot be truly serious about thinking it is a real solution to anything... The best I can think of is that they secretly are hoping that the ship "accidentally" sinks with all the humans on board so the problem just vanish...
Because the massive immigrant population in Sweden is having such a positive effect on the country
Swedish workers used it for accommodation in the construction of a wind farm in 2018. I’m sure you would have been fine with that. It didn’t sink, catch fire, or turn into a legionella Petri dish in that time.
They should sell the Downing Street properties and house the PM and his staff in there. Suella can stay there even after the Tories are out.
" non detained accommodations" is giving real "a police action in vietnam" energy
I dunno but I've voluntarily done the "volume" described at least, in the form of a converted box truck... 2 years... A much more "free" situation, but to say the space isn't doable, that's inaccurate.
What pushes it over the side for me is the number of people. Just too many wild cards. One dude on his own is one thing. Piled into a barge with a bazillion other people is a whole different animal.
Brits: Where do Brittons get a land & space of their own? Where will your unique culture celebrated? According to your youth: Nowhere you don’t deserve a country. But immigrants do deserve yours … SMH
Bravo Mr Nicholas, this is not only on point but beautifully delivered.
Is this the "human rights" I keep hearing the west talk about?
Believe me, their wrongs are even worse!
i might have cared when i was a kid, but the world isn't that nice. no way should we be doing anything for any immigrants when we have our own homelessness and poverty crises.
It feels weird to me that only TIL that the reason why Space Hulks in Warhammer 40k aren't named after the Marvel Hulk, but most probably (to a near certainty), that it is in reference to these awful prison ships. Just to add to the bleakness of Warhammer 40k, it seems easy to merely replicate life sometimes.
This is a crime. Sunak and his gang should be locked up in this barge.
You know what I love about the UK? In every post apocalyptic dystopian work of Sci Fi Britain turns into a totalitarian nightmare. 1984, V for Vendetta... it's a trope. And Tories are actually working on making it true! Also it's pleasing to see that they are celebrating Britain's naval history by reviving the tradition of prison ships.
Labour will make it happen 😊
Each time our warships operated out of Portland we sailors 'suffered' those 'inhumane' conditions. Prison ship surrounded by guards and gates. All we could eat, weekly pay, leave, shelter, free medical and welfare back-up services. It was sheer hell. We had signed up for 4-star hotels and a fawning public to serve our interests.
There was a prison ship right there on Portland from 97-05. Difference was that was actually a prison which locked people in their rooms at night and not floating accommodation.
Good coverage. I subscribed.
if you can't house people why accept more people.
they'd rather try schemes which utterly fail to decrease refugee numbers than build more houses or fund the NHS better to help everyone, refugee and not, unfortunately
Wasn't a Prison Ship and how anti-humanitarian it is a plot point in Face-Off (the amazing Travolta-Cage Crossover-Movie)?
I've not seen it, but probably.
I didnt think so, but i may just not remember it. There was definitejy a very Scifi prison.
It was a decommissioned oil drilling platform in international waters. Not much of a difference, but this is my one akchtually moment.
@@nomdeplume5446 I honestly am glad to have done one good thing today, and it was giving you your well akchually moment :) And punch in a few comments on this video for the algorithm
Oh. And I thought Estonia was being an AH for putting the asylym seekers in a countryside village in the middle of nowhere with a population of 300, because there's nothing to do there apart from hiking. And that they have to wait for like a year to get a decision. (Although a refugee I know said it was kind of good for them personally, because they had PTSD from what they experienced before their escape, so having no noise, no cars, no people etc kinda helped. But at the same time when they wanted to come to Tallinn overnight, they had to provide the number of the host to the authorities and the director of the establishment called to make sure they were staying with that host... which I think is pretty inhumane.)
That sounds like a pretty good way of dealing with it all in. There's not a perfect system for dealing with asylum seekers, it's always a matter of trade offs between competing needs. The goal should be finding the least bad and efficient option, with shortest processing times.
The Tory's seem to have gone for the opposite approach. Make everything take ages and do it as slowly, inhumanly and expensive as possible.
@@davescott7680 I think we have other refugee centers in other places too, including in cities, but this is just the most famous one and the only one I personally know people from. In our case the criticism is "refugees have spent like a year or two here already before getting approved, but they know nothing about our culture or language by the time they get accepted".... but if they are chucked into this countryside, albeit picturesque, HOW can they get integrated then?! They can get integrated with moose in the forest and ticks in the fields :D Well, the latter are more sociable than an average Estonian, but still.
With the processing times we had a scare when the far right party was in the government. Before that it was smooth (read: as slow as any other administrative proceedings), but as soon as the far right guy became the minister, the orders to the border police became bluntly to deny all applications regardless of how obviously they were justified, so ALL asylum seekers were forced to go through the court system, and the ministry knew there were not enough resources for all their legal aid. The poor NGO lawyers worked overtime, pro bono and totally their asses off to help people. And the courts, which are painfully slow here anyway, due to being overburdened, had to deal with all this stuff. Also, the ministry hired lawyers to argue the cases in the court on the part of the border police, so all around a massive waste of resources. Thankfully this government lasted less than 2 years, because the far right party guys were constantly saying inappropriate/outrageous things and their coalition partners had to apologize for a new scandal of theirs like, every week, so the coalition crashed :D
What? How tf do you compare that to what the funny moustache man did?
@@DaniG.German883 AH = a**hole 😀
Back around 2914 or 2015. It was said. The best way to spread a pandemic was by people on airplanes traveling around the world. The seekers come from countries that have never had a single vaccine shot. Also. Their own countries, they once called home, are filled with many different diseases. That makes. That nightmare Scenario way back then. Today, a fact.
For a good half hour, i thought i was watching an official BBC docu segment.
Damn! This is so well produced!
Not to mention, the talent in hosting!
The langauge and messaging the Tory party has been using has been nothing short of appalling - it should be portrayed as Fascist Far-Right vitriol with anything but the most tabloid of news media.
Thank you for presenting the facts of the siutation so clearly and succintly in this video, and making it abundantly clear exactly why the methodology of the Tory Party is so horrendous in this case.
Thats hate speech, I'm having you arrested.
@@tableshaper4076Ok, Hitler youth wannabe.
The Tory’s aren’t Fascist they just want money (which is hardly better)