Joel, a most impressive panel replacement! After watching part one I worried that the final installation would look almost like the same rats-nest as the original, but you and your crew did a great job in cleaning everything up and simplifying when possible. An aspect of the Leviton panel I had not fully appreciated before this video is that all the circuits can be terminated prior to any breaker installation. This makes it very easy to "meter out" circuits before applying power and thus is especially advantageous on panel replacement projects such as this. You also handled that 1" conduit with multiple circuits having shared grounds well. I hope your customer realizes what a huge upgrade in serviceability, maintainability and diagnosing future problems they got here. And that's before any of the smart breaker features offered by the Leviton panel are included.
I think the point they were at... 2" conduit could have been upgraded from meter down and into new panel... hr or too and $50 of fittings... but that's just my opinion... great job guys
Your stewardship is great I like your videos. I’m also a licensed electrician still but retired from Texas. My wife tricked me to move to Indiana. Also seen you on stud pack. I have been amazed by the older houses here that never been updated. I haves seen knob and tube Just tape with new Romax.it’s like a smorgasbord disaster waiting to happen. just the wrong mindset, new appliances all on one circuit fridge , dishwasher, disposal, and countertops outlets. I am happy that I see a lot of your videos addressing this issue. Great job for your company and your team.
A trick I use to minimize fighting with thicker conductors in a tight pipe: Once you had the first two in, you lubed up the last conductor, but still had to fight with it. If you hold the last conductor in place, pull BACK on the first two conductors a little bit, THEN push all of them together (the first two dragging the last one with them), then repeat until the last conductor is all the way in, most of the time, you can get the conductor in pain free. Just hold the last, pull the two, push all three, back and forth, use the friction to your advantage. Leviton does make some really nice equipment, love the 620.
I use plastic NM connectors wherever I can. They save time, money and you don't have to worry about overtightening clamp screws. Thanks, Russ, 28 years in the Electrical Trade.
I think I would be a good fit for your team. I currently work self-employed in construction, because where I live it's impossible to find like-minded people who want to be on the same page, have fully planned projects, use quality materials (and have them in stock), and have a good attitude in general. I want to work with people who strive to be the best at what they do. Not for bragging rights, but for the love of the trade and giving the customer quality service.
You and your team have obviously done a beautiful job on this from start to finish. You walked in on what looked like nothing more than a bowl of wire spaghetti, now it looks like a super fresh professional install. The only thing I wish you would have done was show a nice clean shot of the finished product. I sure hope the homeowner chose the glass front for the panel. From what I can see, the inside of that panel certainly looks nice after having to work with that kinked up spaghetti wire. Nice job as always!
Great video! I have one suggestion for post processing. Cut your drilling type noises to half or a quarter. I listen with headphones, and it was SO LOUD at 22:05 that I jumped. Thanks!
Gentleman Joel. I appreciate the struggle a large part of the job is just that but nice when it all comes together. Gen 2 will be my panel of choice I have always had great consistent performance with Leviton products. That being said AFCIs still need further improvement - microwaves can be a bugbear I used to have multiple trips every 2-3 months on my AFCI/GFCI receptacle on my dedicated microwave circuit. But in the last year I have had none I suspect over the the air firmware changes even in these receptacles have helped which is a great idea.
Very interesting video. FYI: The Leviton panel is not "smart" unless Leviton Smart Breakers are used in addition to the smart gateway. The smart breakers cost a lot more than the standard Leviton not-smart breakers.
Breakers that are integrated enough to automatically open if the backup supply comes on is one thing, but internet connection is too far for me. Lots of good thinking in there, either way.
Great things that you're doing more power to you I love the philosophy you have I totally agree 👍. All share and get better. My comment is the back connectors the two screws always are not doable once it's together, by code in your area could you use ones w/o the screws for better excess? Miriam
I am thinking about installing a leviton smart panel as well but I heard a lot of people complaining about a high pitched whine coming from the smart breakers (dumb breakers don't seem to have the same issues). What has been your experience?
13:45 whenever I do a panel change out adore full diagnosis of the a paperwork and sent to the customer affordability percent so that way if they want to add anything it could be an added before the final price tag is chronic
Aircraft are far more complex machines but.... at least we have every circuit fully mapped out, and for some aircraft a literal map of the aircraft and its wire/cable runs.
I just watched about 2 min of the leviton vid on that panel... awesome options and the ability to control from your phone... that also means anyone else can get control of that panel as well... that I don't like...
@BenBrand I noticed the surge capacity difference but as I’m not an electrician what added the confusion for me is that Leviton LSPD2 is listed as a type 1 level surge protection but the Siemens FirstSurge FS140 is listed as a type 2 level surge protection and I was hoping Joel explained why he chose one over the other… maybe surge capacity matters more than type 1 or type 2 … I don’t know
@@akilfahd The lspd2 is a type 1/2, ie it can be used before or after the main breaker. Generally I think the difference is in the overcurrent protection of the device; type 1 has integral overcurrent protection, type 2 requires external overcurrent protection.
@@hoocli I was looking up the model numbers to buy a bunch more for my remodel when the gen2 started pop'ing up; now I'm waiting for them to actually hit the market so I can try them out and hopefully buy those instead of the gen1!
Ok at 30:10 , how is that not a code violation for bundling too many lines? Seems like a lot of bundling rules go out the window when you reach the panel.
@@rmac2592 its fine, 3/4 metal romex connector is rated for up to 3x12/3, but i still dont like how he runs 10/3 romex inside a conduit raceway @ 15:23 Its technically upto code since it isnt being buried or in wet environment, but i would just run thhn, itll go in much easier.
they used to be "more advanced" meaning they had hydraulic magnetic trip unit before about 2020 the ones you are installing with the *BIG GREY T* at the bottom right of the breaker are standard thermal magnetic trip that leviton made after the hydraulic magnetic trip unit breakers didnt sell so well because they were overpriced. The breakers with only the thermal magnetic trip dont really have any functional advantage over competitors inre "advanced" The price has settled on $10 for hydraulic trip units and $7 for thermal magnetic for the ones you installed here. Still about $2 too expensive for better fitment and a different color imho. Good competitor for CH-CH and SqD-QO I guess.
Sorry can't help it... 2323min you said they weren't paired or labeled... more hrs to you and your team to take the time to investigate before riping wires to be informed...
Not sure what kind of camera equipment you guys are using but its taking entirely too long to get things in focus. Any phase detect autofocus system should be many times faster than this
I’m sorry but I don’t think your electric panel needs to be connected to the internet. Why do people think everything needs to be connected to the internet
You know, the electrical panel is something that kinda makes sense to me when it comes to monitoring. Light switches and laundry machines are too far though.
@@deadskimountaineer- I am not sure how good the software is, but if your phone can see how you use the power on every breaker… then one can manage their own power usage at the house! Help to find those vampire wall worts, to get rid of them… find out when your rechargeable vacuum is just wasting power trying to charge a battery that never charges… find out when your HVAC compressor is marginal & pulling closer to your LRA than it should… figure out how much money you are spending on your appliance so you can calculate how long the buy back is for a more efficient appliance… etc. I would honestly prefer Bluetooth, for only local connection.
@@SteveStowell - “connected to the internet” Honestly, the power company tells us when they have excessive supply, by increasing the Hz of the A/C power. The power company tells us when they have too high of demand, by lowering the Hz of the A/C power. Solar & Load Production & Load Usage are not good reasons for connecting circuit breaker panels to the internet.
Joel, a most impressive panel replacement! After watching part one I worried that the final installation would look almost like the same rats-nest as the original, but you and your crew did a great job in cleaning everything up and simplifying when possible. An aspect of the Leviton panel I had not fully appreciated before this video is that all the circuits can be terminated prior to any breaker installation. This makes it very easy to "meter out" circuits before applying power and thus is especially advantageous on panel replacement projects such as this. You also handled that 1" conduit with multiple circuits having shared grounds well. I hope your customer realizes what a huge upgrade in serviceability, maintainability and diagnosing future problems they got here. And that's before any of the smart breaker features offered by the Leviton panel are included.
I think the point they were at... 2" conduit could have been upgraded from meter down and into new panel... hr or too and $50 of fittings... but that's just my opinion... great job guys
Sorry... I'm at 552min and watching the struggle and prying just bugs me... 😢
Your stewardship is great I like your videos. I’m also a licensed electrician still but retired from Texas. My wife tricked me to move to Indiana. Also seen you on stud pack. I have been amazed by the older houses here that never been updated. I haves seen knob and tube Just tape with new Romax.it’s like a smorgasbord disaster waiting to happen. just the wrong mindset, new appliances all on one circuit fridge , dishwasher, disposal, and countertops outlets. I am happy that I see a lot of your videos addressing this issue. Great job for your company and your team.
A trick I use to minimize fighting with thicker conductors in a tight pipe: Once you had the first two in, you lubed up the last conductor, but still had to fight with it. If you hold the last conductor in place, pull BACK on the first two conductors a little bit, THEN push all of them together (the first two dragging the last one with them), then repeat until the last conductor is all the way in, most of the time, you can get the conductor in pain free. Just hold the last, pull the two, push all three, back and forth, use the friction to your advantage. Leviton does make some really nice equipment, love the 620.
I use plastic NM connectors wherever I can. They save time, money and you don't have to worry about overtightening clamp screws. Thanks, Russ, 28 years in the Electrical Trade.
I think I would be a good fit for your team. I currently work self-employed in construction, because where I live it's impossible to find like-minded people who want to be on the same page, have fully planned projects, use quality materials (and have them in stock), and have a good attitude in general. I want to work with people who strive to be the best at what they do. Not for bragging rights, but for the love of the trade and giving the customer quality service.
Yes ,and yes totally. Miriam
Yes and yes totally. Miriam
A better way shown has a greater impact keep up the good work. Miriam
You and your team have obviously done a beautiful job on this from start to finish. You walked in on what looked like nothing more than a bowl of wire spaghetti, now it looks like a super fresh professional install. The only thing I wish you would have done was show a nice clean shot of the finished product. I sure hope the homeowner chose the glass front for the panel. From what I can see, the inside of that panel certainly looks nice after having to work with that kinked up spaghetti wire. Nice job as always!
Excellent! Maybe I missed the mention of a part 2 on the first video but I was really wanting to see the rest of the build!
One thing I always do before a panel change out is to do a full hot check so the customer is aware of any issues before hand
Great video!
I have one suggestion for post processing. Cut your drilling type noises to half or a quarter. I listen with headphones, and it was SO LOUD at 22:05 that I jumped.
Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback; will do 👌🏼
@20:20 one of the biggest pains about being an electrician...figuring out old/previous wiring
Gentleman Joel. I appreciate the struggle a large part of the job is just that but nice when it all comes together. Gen 2 will be my panel of choice I have always had great consistent performance with Leviton products. That being said AFCIs still need further improvement - microwaves can be a bugbear I used to have multiple trips every 2-3 months on my AFCI/GFCI receptacle on my dedicated microwave circuit. But in the last year I have had none I suspect over the the air firmware changes even in these receptacles have helped which is a great idea.
Very interesting video. FYI: The Leviton panel is not "smart" unless Leviton Smart Breakers are used in addition to the smart gateway. The smart breakers cost a lot more than the standard Leviton not-smart breakers.
He did say at the beginning of the video that this is a smart capable panel currently in the dumb position.
@@charlesjohnson6073yeah, but he also said it's $300 to make it smart. It's $300 to start making it smart, then a ton more in new breakers
@@JaredTwomey gotcha! I just thought he didn't hear him say that it's currently in the dumb position.
Hey Joel, nice video. Quick question - does the main conductor not violate volume? (1-1/2” conduit)
3 3/0 THHN conductors in a 1-1/2" conduit is acceptable based upon "Annex C: Tables" however it's not common practice.
I love your profile pic!
Curious why you didn’t use the Leviton in-panel Surge Protection unit?
Watched further- sounds like the customer didn’t want to pay $375 for a plug-on, but the retail on the Leviton surge units is much lower than that…
Are those cable clamps rated for multiple cables?
Another easy way to find the right neutral is only land the hot turn on the breaker and use pen tester to see what neutral livens up
Or use an ohmmeter. Then you're not energizing a circuit without a neutral connected.
Breakers that are integrated enough to automatically open if the backup supply comes on is one thing, but internet connection is too far for me. Lots of good thinking in there, either way.
Great stuff. Need Part 3!
will look at this panel on the next one I need, thanks for great work and video - always learning from you. DIYer
Code changed in my area and stipulates that each hot wire MUST also have its own neutral.
Do Levitons smart breakers still hiss like a bunch of snakes or did they finally fix that?
Great things that you're doing more power to you I love the philosophy you have I totally agree 👍. All share and get better.
My comment is the back connectors the two screws always are not doable once it's together, by code in your area could you use ones w/o the screws for better excess? Miriam
I am thinking about installing a leviton smart panel as well but I heard a lot of people complaining about a high pitched whine coming from the smart breakers (dumb breakers don't seem to have the same issues). What has been your experience?
Hey Joe what can I use to fill a hole on a empty lockout on a circuit
13:45 whenever I do a panel change out adore full diagnosis of the a paperwork and sent to the customer affordability percent so that way if they want to add anything it could be an added before the final price tag is chronic
Full transparency is the antiseptic to litigation. Love that you're putting the relationship ahead of the dollars!
Aircraft are far more complex machines but.... at least we have every circuit fully mapped out, and for some aircraft a literal map of the aircraft and its wire/cable runs.
And fully calibrated tools as well higher and stricter standards….
I just watched about 2 min of the leviton vid on that panel... awesome options and the ability to control from your phone... that also means anyone else can get control of that panel as well... that I don't like...
those Milwaukee impact drivers make great hammers. hahahahahaha
😅
What's with the Kane brewery stickers on the old panel door? Did you guys come to the Jersey Shore or did the customer bring them back to Indy?
Not us, haha! Perhaps the customer?
What was that fitting you put in the 2" rigid after you cut it off?
It's called a conduit hub.
OH THE AMPACITY
How do you know what powers what, breakers.
Another good one ... Thx
Why did you choose the Siemens FirstSurge FS140 over the Leviton LSPD2?
Leviton is only 10KA rated vs the FS140 which is 140KA so it can offer much more protection
@@BenBrand doesn't make much difference vs 140KA, but the leviton lspd is 25KA (10KA short circuit)
@@daviddeflyer8671thanks, I was wondering since 10KA seemed low.
@BenBrand I noticed the surge capacity difference but as I’m not an electrician what added the confusion for me is that Leviton LSPD2 is listed as a type 1 level surge protection but the Siemens FirstSurge FS140 is listed as a type 2 level surge protection and I was hoping Joel explained why he chose one over the other… maybe surge capacity matters more than type 1 or type 2 … I don’t know
@@akilfahd The lspd2 is a type 1/2, ie it can be used before or after the main breaker. Generally I think the difference is in the overcurrent protection of the device; type 1 has integral overcurrent protection, type 2 requires external overcurrent protection.
Load is just a suggestion 🤣🤣
Been waiting for this video, but I was hoping you'd have the gen2 breakers since that brings these panels into competition with span!
Thanks for sharing I had no idea gen 2 existed I just dumped money into gen 1 😢
@@hoocli I was looking up the model numbers to buy a bunch more for my remodel when the gen2 started pop'ing up; now I'm waiting for them to actually hit the market so I can try them out and hopefully buy those instead of the gen1!
Thanks a bunch
I’ve also only seen gen2 listed on Leviton’s website, but haven’t found anyone selling them.
Ok at 30:10 , how is that not a code violation for bundling too many lines? Seems like a lot of bundling rules go out the window when you reach the panel.
The guy runs romex in a conduit raceway, i dont think he cares.
3 Romex is too many for that circumference?
@@rmac2592 its fine, 3/4 metal romex connector is rated for up to 3x12/3, but i still dont like how he runs 10/3 romex inside a conduit raceway @ 15:23 Its technically upto code since it isnt being buried or in wet environment, but i would just run thhn, itll go in much easier.
I didn’t think you could put more than three Romeo in a clamp per code?
depends on the clamp iirc
they used to be "more advanced" meaning they had hydraulic magnetic trip unit before about 2020 the ones you are installing with the *BIG GREY T* at the bottom right of the breaker are standard thermal magnetic trip that leviton made after the hydraulic magnetic trip unit breakers didnt sell so well because they were overpriced. The breakers with only the thermal magnetic trip dont really have any functional advantage over competitors inre "advanced"
The price has settled on $10 for hydraulic trip units and $7 for thermal magnetic for the ones you installed here. Still about $2 too expensive for better fitment and a different color imho. Good competitor for CH-CH and SqD-QO I guess.
I need 6 electrical plugs
I wish that wiring running across the ceiling weren't just so damn ugly!!
Sorry can't help it... 2323min you said they weren't paired or labeled... more hrs to you and your team to take the time to investigate before riping wires to be informed...
Rather see plywood back board.
Hello sir ji
Joel, Your camera guy always has focusing issues. Used to annoy me but now its just become a drinking game 🤣
Not sure what kind of camera equipment you guys are using but its taking entirely too long to get things in focus. Any phase detect autofocus system should be many times faster than this
Thanks for the feedback, we love the shots we get on this camera but have noticed the focus-delay. Might be back in the market soon...
2 weeks vacation? That's weak
No tandems or quads
2 week vacation,it's 2023,not 1963..come on 6wks min
I’m sorry but I don’t think your electric panel needs to be connected to the internet. Why do people think everything needs to be connected to the internet
You know, the electrical panel is something that kinda makes sense to me when it comes to monitoring. Light switches and laundry machines are too far though.
@@deadskimountaineer- I am not sure how good the software is, but if your phone can see how you use the power on every breaker… then one can manage their own power usage at the house!
Help to find those vampire wall worts, to get rid of them… find out when your rechargeable vacuum is just wasting power trying to charge a battery that never charges… find out when your HVAC compressor is marginal & pulling closer to your LRA than it should… figure out how much money you are spending on your appliance so you can calculate how long the buy back is for a more efficient appliance… etc.
I would honestly prefer Bluetooth, for only local connection.
@@deadskimountaineer if you can't monitor it, you can't improve it
But they do when using solar and managing loads. Also when load can exceed capacity then system can auto shutoff loads. Many reason to be connected.
@@SteveStowell - “connected to the internet”
Honestly, the power company tells us when they have excessive supply, by increasing the Hz of the A/C power.
The power company tells us when they have too high of demand, by lowering the Hz of the A/C power.
Solar & Load Production & Load Usage are not good reasons for connecting circuit breaker panels to the internet.
If it works it's a Fluke
Keep "smart" products out of your electrical panel.
That would be the smart decision too make 😮