Haha, I love the little storyline going on in the examples. Poor Steve. Also, found some structural ambiguity in one of the sentences! "Steve killed [the man who makes up examples] with an axe" or "Steve killed the man who makes up [examples with an axe]" or "Steve killed the man who [makes up examples with an axe]." Not sure if some of those are entirely grammatical. And in "Brian gave the book to Mary for Bill," I originally thought it meant that the book was for Bill, and it was given to Mary so she could give it to Bill... for some reason... although I suppose that would be "Brian gave the book for Bill to Mary." What would the thematic roles be then? Bill is the end goal but the book's actually being given to Mary.
Yeah, I noticed that ambiguity too! I'm not too sure whether "Steve killed the man who makes up [examples with an axe]" is totally grammatical, I think most native speakers would probably reword that to something else (maybe something like "Steve killed the man who makes up examples which include an axe/which have an axe/with an axe in them").
Very interesting. I have one question. In the Instrument role, isn't " the man who makes up examples" the experiencer as well? Or because he was killed, there is experience? Thanks.
Another question, if I may. In the last example, you added "for Bill" to the sentence and marked it as "benefactive", but isn't it considered an adjunct? The reason I'm asking because I am under the impression that adjuncts don't get theta roles. Thank you so much.
Thematic role主題役割を理解していないと正しくない英語を書いてしまうことがよくあります。例えば、「写真を壁に飾る」という日本語をdecorateを使ってSVOに忠実に逐語訳すると、*I decorate pictures on the wall.と言ってしまいそうになる。間違い！！decorateの目的語は必ずlocation場所が来るから、必ず、I decorate the wall with pictures.と言わなければならない。藤本滋之先生がおっしゃっていましたが、Thematic role主題役割はSVOで習う文法に変わって導入されるべき文法なのではないかと思います。 「庭で 蜂が 集っていた。」というのを日本語では場所である庭を主語とすることはできないが、英語だと The garden was swarming with bees. Bees were swarming in the garden. というふうにlocation場所も主語になれるというのも大発見ですね。SVOの文法では絶対に学ぶことができない構文です。 空が爆発しているとは日本語では言えませんが、英語だと、 The sky is exploding with fireworks. Fireworks are exploding in the sky. 両方とも言えちゃうんですね。 give 物 to 人 give 人 物 ラテン語語源のsupplyやprovideも人も物も目的語に取れるとは思わなかったな。勿論、前置詞の使い方とかは違うけど。 supply/provide 物 to 人 supply/provide 人 with 物 This water plant is supplying water to citizens. This water plant is supplying citizens with water. openの主語はagentの他にもinstrumentalでもいいから、 I opened the door with a key.ともいけるけど、 The key opened the door.も言えるんだよね。
Your videos are great ! It helped me a lot already. I found this one sentence (Mary left the concert ) in an old exam and it's supposed to have more than one presupposition but the only ones I can think of are 'Mary went to a concert ' and 'Mary was at a concert' are there any other possibilities or would that be correct ?
trippy! well, I recall a similar pattern in sanskrit's noun declensions. I haven't went so far as to make any connections with these theta-roles, but there are neat, what i think are formation(me not a linguistics guy) rules. excited to move on to morphemes! thanks a lot for these. I'd been feeling I'm treading on unknown waters. until now! Are there any readings you'd recommend?
Trev, thanks for your great help. I'd like to point out that I don't think there's any need to introduce violence in your examples since it comes in our minds. Cheers!
Thanks for Advance we really appreciate i just wanna ask about the thematic role of Summer in the recipient example if verb give is assigns thematic role to a winter gift who is giving thematic role to Summer it is really a bit confused me .
That was a great explanation, thanks! I have a question about patient/theme - we've been told that the patient and the theme are separate entities, but you've grouped them together... which should I use?
Is there any chance that you make some more videos about semantics? I am really confused about the Truth Tables and some other things. Or do you know a website or a book that explains it a little "easier", in university our professor only uses one book and even he says it is quite complicated and he isnt so good at explaining either. I really appreciate your work. Your videos helped me a lot getting started in Linguistics and Syntax. :)
Which elements in a sentence assign theta roles? Only verbs? In a sentence like "I expect to see results within days after your treatment", which element assigns a theta role to "your treatment"? Is it the preposition?
I would say so if I were teaching the course, but I would never introduce theta roles on adjuncts in general. Typically they're used for arguments of the verb, and usually only appear in papers/constructions where that is the case.
This is a good intro, man. I have just one question: are there any more or less clearly definied rules for finding the theta-roles? Or is it only the question of intuition?
Andriy Karamazov The position of the noun phrases will give guidance on what it could be, but because thematic roles are tied to semantic interpretations, there are only strict guidelines on how many theta roles and how many arguments each verb must have. Unfortunately it's not formulaic in any sense, and requires an understanding of how the words/verbs are used. In reality, a verb will say "I need an agent and a theme", or "I need an agent/source and a theme/goal" or something similar. Then, noun phrases will fit into those categories. It's definitely very challenging, even with practice.
so if we said " the girl felt proud when her teacher handed her the certificate in the classroom " the.girl is the experiencer / her teacher is the agent / the certificate is the theme / in thr classroom is the location this sentence comfused me !
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Thank you so much I listen to every single words youre saying because it is understandable and very clear to me.. Like I'm writing it all in my mind
Haha, I love the little storyline going on in the examples. Poor Steve.
Also, found some structural ambiguity in one of the sentences! "Steve killed [the man who makes up examples] with an axe" or "Steve killed the man who makes up [examples with an axe]" or "Steve killed the man who [makes up examples with an axe]." Not sure if some of those are entirely grammatical.
And in "Brian gave the book to Mary for Bill," I originally thought it meant that the book was for Bill, and it was given to Mary so she could give it to Bill... for some reason... although I suppose that would be "Brian gave the book for Bill to Mary." What would the thematic roles be then? Bill is the end goal but the book's actually being given to Mary.
Yeah, I noticed that ambiguity too! I'm not too sure whether "Steve killed the man who makes up [examples with an axe]" is totally grammatical, I think most native speakers would probably reword that to something else (maybe something like "Steve killed the man who makes up examples which include an axe/which have an axe/with an axe in them").
Thank you so much! You explained everything really well plus you have that nice voice! I just subscribed to you. :)
Thanks for your endeavour to clarify the topics.
Dude you made things much more clear! Thank you.
I am from Palestine
this is a very good analysis of thematic role
thank u very much
In sentences like "It drizzled all weekend at the fair." or "The sun is shining." What would the thematic roles be? Is "sun" the source?
I think Carney has an example with instrument and I think it uses an axe as well but not entirely certain
Thank you so much! How to distinguish between a recipient and a beneficiary?
Very interesting. I have one question. In the Instrument role, isn't " the man who makes up examples" the experiencer as well? Or because he was killed, there is experience? Thanks.
I was so lost about this, but now I'm more clear ;) thank you
Really helpful. Thank you so much.
THANKYOU VERY MUCH! Your video is really helpful for my studying.
Another question, if I may. In the last example, you added "for Bill" to the sentence and marked it as "benefactive", but isn't it considered an adjunct? The reason I'm asking because I am under the impression that adjuncts don't get theta roles. Thank you so much.
Thematic role主題役割を理解していないと正しくない英語を書いてしまうことがよくあります。例えば、「写真を壁に飾る」という日本語をdecorateを使ってSVOに忠実に逐語訳すると、*I decorate pictures on the wall.と言ってしまいそうになる。間違い！！decorateの目的語は必ずlocation場所が来るから、必ず、I decorate the wall with pictures.と言わなければならない。藤本滋之先生がおっしゃっていましたが、Thematic role主題役割はSVOで習う文法に変わって導入されるべき文法なのではないかと思います。
「庭で 蜂が 集っていた。」というのを日本語では場所である庭を主語とすることはできないが、英語だと
The garden was swarming with bees.
Bees were swarming in the garden.
というふうにlocation場所も主語になれるというのも大発見ですね。SVOの文法では絶対に学ぶことができない構文です。
空が爆発しているとは日本語では言えませんが、英語だと、
The sky is exploding with fireworks.
Fireworks are exploding in the sky.
両方とも言えちゃうんですね。
give 物 to 人
give 人 物
ラテン語語源のsupplyやprovideも人も物も目的語に取れるとは思わなかったな。勿論、前置詞の使い方とかは違うけど。
supply/provide 物 to 人
supply/provide 人 with 物
This water plant is supplying water to citizens.
This water plant is supplying citizens with water.
openの主語はagentの他にもinstrumentalでもいいから、
I opened the door with a key.ともいけるけど、
The key opened the door.も言えるんだよね。
Your videos are great ! It helped me a lot already. I found this one sentence (Mary left the concert ) in an old exam and it's supposed to have more than one presupposition but the only ones I can think of are 'Mary went to a concert ' and 'Mary was at a concert' are there any other possibilities or would that be correct ?
trippy!
well, I recall a similar pattern in sanskrit's noun declensions. I haven't went so far as to make any connections with these theta-roles, but there are neat, what i think are formation(me not a linguistics guy) rules. excited to move on to morphemes!
thanks a lot for these. I'd been feeling I'm treading on unknown waters. until now!
Are there any readings you'd recommend?
Trev, thanks for your great help. I'd like to point out that I don't think there's any need to introduce violence in your examples since it comes in our minds. Cheers!
Thanks for Advance we really appreciate i just wanna ask about the thematic role of Summer in the recipient example if verb give is assigns thematic role to a winter gift who is giving thematic role to Summer it is really a bit confused me .
That was a great explanation, thanks! I have a question about patient/theme - we've been told that the patient and the theme are separate entities, but you've grouped them together... which should I use?
+Tara Granea Whatever your prof tells you to in whatever situation. He's the one giving marks, not me, so listen to him.
Can you help me to distinguish THEME and PATIENT ? I'm realy confused : ((. I am going take the exam about it :
it's really help a lot, thank you for sharing this vid!
It was very useful for me! Thank you so so much!
Is there any chance that you make some more videos about semantics? I am really confused about the Truth Tables and some other things. Or do you know a website or a book that explains it a little "easier", in university our professor only uses one book and even he says it is quite complicated and he isnt so good at explaining either.
I really appreciate your work. Your videos helped me a lot getting started in Linguistics and Syntax. :)
Perfect explanation! Thanks
Which elements in a sentence assign theta roles? Only verbs?
In a sentence like "I expect to see results within days after your treatment", which element assigns a theta role to "your treatment"? Is it the preposition?
I would say so if I were teaching the course, but I would never introduce theta roles on adjuncts in general. Typically they're used for arguments of the verb, and usually only appear in papers/constructions where that is the case.
@@Trevtutor within days after your treatment (location in time)
What about "I will play on the ground." Is ground the 'goal' or the 'location'. Btw thanks for the knowledge dissemination! Indebted to you!
please what do we mean by arguments in theta roles?
Summer’s goal was predicated on her desire to bake a theme based cake for Steav scoring a goal
Thank you very much. Sir the question is what is the advantages of studying these complicated concepts?
To define what makes a grammatical sentence in English.
plz what is the theory of case and move alpha ?
MRS, Can you help me to distinguish THEME and PATIENT ? I'm realy confused : ((
This is a good intro, man. I have just one question: are there any more or less clearly definied rules for finding the theta-roles? Or is it only the question of intuition?
Andriy Karamazov The position of the noun phrases will give guidance on what it could be, but because thematic roles are tied to semantic interpretations, there are only strict guidelines on how many theta roles and how many arguments each verb must have. Unfortunately it's not formulaic in any sense, and requires an understanding of how the words/verbs are used.
In reality, a verb will say "I need an agent and a theme", or "I need an agent/source and a theme/goal" or something similar. Then, noun phrases will fit into those categories. It's definitely very challenging, even with practice.
what if you're "playing along" with someone?
does it have a goal then?
I have a question what is the thematic role of (his job) in he is fired from his job by his boss?
For me I think it is location what do you think?
+Nouf Nouf I would say it's "direction", which hasn't been mentioned in the video.
i thought goal
June gave Summer a winter gift
Summer : recipient
June : ???
a winter gift : ???
Thank you for the help!
Thank you. This helped me.
still confused. what's the role of another noun in a sentence that contain an experiencer?
thanks. helpfull
Couldn't all recipients then be considered goals?
does a theta role only correspond to one word in the sentence?
They correspond to arguments of verbs, which may be NPs, PPs, etc. So they correspond to constituents, which may be one word.
so if we said " the girl felt proud when her teacher handed her the certificate in the classroom "
the.girl is the experiencer / her teacher is the agent / the certificate is the theme / in thr classroom is the location
this sentence comfused me !
Yep.
mary is not a benefactive, because there is no goal here....