The Idol: A Boring Attempt At Being Provocative
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Troubled Production
5:47 The Show
23:08 The Sam Levinson Problem
32:35 The Finale
47:58 Conclusion - Розваги
The fact that this story switched from a tale of “women being abused in Hollywood” to “women are lying about being abused, really enjoy being abused, and the men were the victims the whole time” tells me everything I need to know about the show runner and the Weekend.
Right? And knowing that the Weekend bitched about how the show was going previously because wanted HIM to be more important but was happy with this shit is ludicrous. The original idea pitched by the weekend seemed so cool and touched on an important topic, and the way it was going was good and logical. It all made me really dislike the weekend
@@andredetoni897 Yea I previously had no feelings about the weekend but now I have 0 respect for the guy
He exposed himself as a misogynist a long time ago, but it took me this long to notice that :(
The show really said: Bitches lie🤷🏽♀️
They could've had something compelling and very impactful lol.. I fail to understand how even after all these years, we still get dog shit like this show..
The fact that Sam Levinson thinks women empowerment only comes from an abused woman being “in control” is deeply disturbing
Just like Maddy from Euphoria
@@johanaforever965 and Cassie, Jules, Kat, and all of his female characters. It’s so gross
@@oliviamayer24601and highly suspect
Woman empowerment 😂😂😂😂😂
A lot of ppl’s idea of women empowerment is just the worst.
One thing I’ve noticed is that ppl hate abused women. They’re all “weak”. Even if a woman (or man, since this is also partly cuz ppl hate abused ppl as a whole) is able to overcome what’s happened to them, or survive through it, they’re weak. Abused women aren’t empowered women whatsoever. The only way they’re “empowered” is if they are able to escape on their own (not always possible) or walk it off like nothing a happened (unrealistic), they’re weak.
That’s why we see so many ppl mock the story of Cinderella for example, and call her a weak character. Disney especially does it.
Sam Levinson’s track record with placing (fictionalized) minors in overly sexual situations and then writing the minors to be like “I’m so happy and okay with this and am in complete control and totally consenting :D!” Needs to be INVESTIGATED
Yep
@@tealishpotato that’s Riverdale guy right? Gods he’s so creepy.
Giving me Woody Allen vibes.
Yeah, like that thing he did with the character Maddy, she had sex with a 43 year old guy when she was 14 but it's okay because she was the one in control 🤪
@@luxgh I feel eerily like that was a fucking self report
The twist isn't about empowering women. It's about blaming women for men's bad behavior.
It's about victim-blaming gaslighters for lovebombing valid narcissists with microagressions and triggering trauma optics.
@@zogwort1522I'm sorry but could you explain that a bit clearer I don't understand it.
@@zogwort1522 oh ok
I can probably translate. Sounds like someone who unironically complains about things being "woke" why also foaming at the mouth about how many women falsify r*pe/SA allegations, etc. Very edgelord redditor-esque lol
@@icravedeath.1200 I can probably translate. Sounds like someone who unironically complains about things being "woke" why also foaming at the mouth about how many women falsify r*pe/SA allegations, etc. Very edgelord redditor-esque lol
Abel and Sam really took a show about a young women falling prey to the evil and insidious side of the music industry and said “but like……what if she was the abuser all along? And the sex trafficker cult leader? Yeah, he was her victim”
*Absolute clowns*
I remember reading about that on twitter and was like WOW.....just WOW, some people really REALLY want to justify their effed up morals or fetishes don't they
They basically said what if she likes getting abused because that helps her with her "art" and their idea of making a song better is just add more Jocelyn's moaning and getting beaten...
This is why I am so fucking sick of men thinking they should be telling women’s stories about be abused or exploited!! They have had plenty of chances and never done it right, they can stop now!!
@@taylorgayhart9497 Agree! So gross..almost wanna spam HBO messages to stop givin Levinson soon much dirty work!!!!!!!!!!
@@taylorgayhart9497 I'm pretty sick of dumbass directors fucking up stories about women being exploited too, but I don't think gatekeeping who can tell what is the play. Between this & cuties, there's been just...what...two? Shows/movies that dropped the ball.
I don't think that's a good sample size.
as a brazilian reviewer/critic said: the show sounds like it was written by a 14 year old who just discovered pornography and wrote a fanfic to impress his friends on how edgy he is
oii pfv que critico disse isso??
@@lizzieborden8180 a Isabela Boscov
Underrated comment
This is much more striking in Portuguese
@@dosuald obgg!!!
If you think about it, what happened to The Idol is literally what Amy Seimetz was trying to portray in the show.
Ironic isn’t it
It was Sam Levinson’s plan all along. The man is such a genius storyteller who pushes the boundaries and thinks outside the box 🤪
You don’t even have to think about it, it’s just so clear 🤦🏻♀️
Maybe this would be the source material for an adaptation.
Would be an amazing paradox
@@MarloSoBalJrI was thinking the same thing. If they make a show based on this to show how bad it is, it would just end up being the original idea.
it would’ve been interesting if the twist was actually flipped around. Jocelyn thinking she’s in control of everyone around her throughout the beginnings of the show and then the second half of the show is that she’s been manipulated and gaslit this entire time into believing she was taking control of her career and her life but it was actually the other way around. Would’ve been a great commentary on how Hollywood has taken young stars when they’re at their most naive and then they’ve had to fight to truly take control of their career and its creative direction
you think sam can think all that lmao?
this is such a good idea! It's sad that we could have had an interesting show but we ended up with another mediocre big-budget vanity project
@@dee.9273'Bu-but... where the smex scenes?'
Chloe being underage had no real bearing on the plot. And even worse, they had just showed her naked after revealing that she was only 17. Why does Sam Levinson sexualise teenagers so much?!
They actually showed her naked *before* revealing she was only 17, which somehow makes it worse in my opinion
Made me look at Euphoria differently and plot lines like Maddy losing her virginity at 14 to a grown ass man but 'being the one in control' REALLY stand out.
Same thing they did in Transformers 4, seriously WHY?????? why give an adult actress specifically the role of a minor if you are going to sexualize the sht out of her?
They didn't even have to make her character be 17, like they could have just told us she has been under Tedros's thumb since she was like a teenager. And it would have the same affect on the plot
he tried to write a "loli" character just for his kinks
So a man wanted to use the exploitation of women in the entertainment industry for his own gain, but when it actually focused on the problems that women face, his Itty Bitty masculine pride got hurt and completely ditched the ‘feminist’ outlook for fetishization and sexual abuse. *SHOCKING*
I am shooketh!
@@nemonobody88Yup... Made me dislike The Weeknd as a person...
It's even more so if you've paid attention to the lyrics of his songs over the years.
Yeah, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday wild for that. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ It’s pretty disturbing 😳
@@furioussherman7265I never looked at him the same after he wrote that lyric about fucking a bi girl straight. People forgot about that too quickly.
“He’s so rapey” “yeah i kinda like that about him” WHAT? SAM LEVINSON? WHAT?
WoMeN aRe AtTrAcTeD tO dAnGeRoUs MeN!!1! 🙃
After reading Petra Collins story about her being dropped of Euphoria dspite being the main inspiration for the series I can only conclude that Sam Levinson is just a hack whose modus operandi is stealing creative ideas from women just to kick them off the projects with the objective of pornify them.
Also, Barbie Ferrera (Kat) is quitting Euphoria as she's also tired for being potrayed as stereotypical "plus size character" and even had a feud with Sam. That's why in Season 2, Kat doesn't have much screen time as she was in Season 1 and she won't be back for Season 3. Also, after the sudden death of Angus Cloud (Fez) and because of Writer's Strike this year, I think Season 3 is gonna be the last season of Euphoria as the actors are gonna be on their 30's and too old to potray teenagers anymore since Season 3 is taking so long for releasing in 2025 Hell, even Alexa Demie (Maddie) is 33 in real life and Zendaya playing as teenager for a decade either in TV and movies, she is 27 now.
I think it’s honestly really revealing that the “twist” is that Jocelyn faked all the abuse from her mother and was secretly somehow manipulating Tedros into abusing her to “further her career.” Whoever wrote that must be the type of person that accuses women of lying for personal gain when they come forward with abuse allegations in spite of the fact that nothing was personally gained nor was there ever a chance that that would happen. Jocelyn is the result of men taking a complicated, messy female character and trying to rewrite her themselves while also ACTIVELY avoiding “the female perspective,” AKA the entire fucking point of having a female main character. The ego involved in these creative decisions is incomprehensible.
I think this show is way too Meta for all the wrong reasons. I dont think its only a fetish or something from the producer and writers, i truly believe that this story steamed from a truth that is an open secret in Hollywood, still today.
Agree regardless of what you wrote.
They thought " she's manipulating Tedros into abusing her" made sense. Shame on them.
I meeeeean, it IS directed by the guy that used fake r*pe allegations of a minor as a plot point in Euphoria...
I think people are misreading that ending. She obviously didn't lie about the abuse. Because the people around her saw and remember it. Maybe she lied to Tedros about the specifics in order to manipulate him, idk, but it's clear that she didn't just make it all up and I can't fathom why people keep saying that.
Also, you could easily read it as her outgrowing her abuse. She bought a new hairbrush because she no longer wants to hold on to the symbol of the abuse that she suffered at the hands of her mother.
The writing is super incoherent so I guess I get people's confusion, but she definitely didn't make up all the abuse.
@@BooksRebound if the writing is so incoherent and bad that ppl could be THAT confused about the ending of the show, and misunderstand it THAT bad…they’ve truly reached a new low in storytelling.
this show is an example of why good writers are needed in the entertainment industry
This makes me realize that the writers are less so writers and more so "groups of people desperately trying to filter out the stupid ideas of the director before the deadline"
I wouldn't put this one on the writers. They fired the first director and brought on Sam Levinson, who decided to completely gut the show. From old Twitter posts it seems the original idea for the show was something closer to the book "I'm Glad my Mom Died," which is about Jennette McCurdy's less-than-ideal life growing up as a child star, her toxic relationship with her mother, and how traumatic it all was.
@@airplanes_aren.t_realadd on drastically shortened deadlines, tiny writers rooms & shows getting cut (to avoid actually paying creators, of course) & shit starts to make a lot more sense lmfao
@@jessip8654 See that's actually pretty cool. That book was great and confirmed everything I suspected about Angelino men.
And good on them for striking.
I can only think of how disgusted the original producer must feel about this whole thing, the story she made so twisted and miles away from what she wanted to make, it makes me feel so very sad for her (I completely forgot her name, I'm sorry)
Amy Seimetz, yeah. Prolly full "Look how they massacred my boy!" Hope it helps seeing ppl loathe this version #ReleaseTheSeimetzCut
“The Jake Paul of filmmaking” has to be the best description of Sam Levinson I’ve ever heard
I don't see people talk about it enough, but that cult girl who framed Rob for rape together with Xander isn't the first time when Sam Levinson uses one of his female characters for this exact set up, the other time was with Maddy in "Euphoria" who ruined a guy's life to keep Nate out of trouble. Looks like a pattern at this point, and not a good one.
It is weird how they include that but then quickly drop it like it wasn't a big thing. Like with this, there would have been an investigation and etc
@ashbenamti9490 A plot device having consequences on the plot/characters?! Sam Levinson could never
Toxic shite is what it is. Some men have been complaining about allegedly false rape allegations by women, ever since MeToo started, and now there's a TV show to reinforce this harmful idea in the minds of the public.
its like he was confused of how he wanted to aint maddy, at one point he wanted her to be like the mean girl, then the next some kind of control girl then the other abused girl. Then its kind of bad how Sydney was the only one who was naked mostly.
Not making any actual accusations towards Sam Levinson but it's really worrying how a lot of his works include things like underaged female characters being in sexual relationships with adult men, a lot of sexualized teenaged girls, abused young women, these same abused women being framed as the ones "in control", women lying about their abuse or SA, the male abuser being framed as the "real victim", etc.
It will never not be hilarious to me that Abel was upset that the show was so fixated on the female perspective, meanwhile, Barbie is the highest grossing film in 2023 and its literally: “The Female Perspective Movie”
surprise surprise women have purchasing power now and you can cater to them and still make money as long as your products are not godawful! who knew
@@actually_curious4773 apparently not Abel
also it's a show with a female main character? of course it should be about the female perspective???
This reminds me of how every time a female character has a muscular body type the producers try their hardest to take it out of the film until everyone likes the character and they pretend to having made the character themselves
Sam and Tedros Weekend would never be Greta and Margot.
the finale feels like sam levinson’s attempt at pointing the finger at “crazy girls” and giving validity to the whole “my ex was a crazy manipulator and a bitch” stereotype and it was just so disappointing for an already horrible show. it feels like sam saying, “look, she really was crazy and lying to manipulate you! women are crazy!” and it’s just so tired at this point.
In a very strange way, the original message about how women are treated in Hollywood still works.
But instead of getting it from the series, we get it from how Amy Simons was cast out from the project to be replaced by a man, mostly because the series was too "female centered".
It's kind of sad to realize that the original show's dark tone would've probably come out of real experiences that Miss Simons has been through inside the cinema industy.
But instead, she was silenced, and the story she wrote to express herself was vanished, being reduced to a weird sexual fantasy using dark plot points as a cheap excuse to make it happen....
This sad context around this shitty series just prooves MIss Simons' point...
I don't know if I should laugh or cry... heh... let's do both!
Let's laugh at Sam Levinson for being such a bad writter and let's cry for Amy Simons for not being able to express herself!
The sexually abused young woman was the secret manipulative puppetmaster all along? How original.
Someone needs to tell people that *you are not supposed to sympathise with Lolita's abuser*
Sam Levinson really thought he made the next Gone Girl with a mix of Basic Instinct, but dude, you just make an another edgy shitshow that only please people who are under 15.
@ninab.4540 Yes exactly. The book is supposed to be the exploration of the mind of a monster. The writers of this show clearly needs this explained to them.
When a dude keeps telling stories based on the premise, "what if the victim was lying about the abuse to get attention," it's time to cover your drink and locate the exit doors.
The idol indeed covers everything wrong with the entertainment industry for young women, just not the way it intended too. It's being outsmarted by its own many flaws.
As an artist, I find the whole trope of “I need to be in gross and toxic situations and also abuse people and be under the influence of something to have inspiration to create art”…. Extremely pedestrian. I enjoy my vices as much as the next woman, but…. I’m a professional doing a job. No I can’t be doing that while I work. And no, I don’t make better art when I’m depressed.
i know right? it fetichises four things at once, mental health, abuse, women and artists. PRetty tired of that artist stereotype. Sure, pain is ONE source of emotion, and art can be expressive of said emotions, but you don't have to be on the verge of breaking down to get inspired. You can just as well find inspiration anywhere really, just having a walk, or in daily life. Not that there is anything wrong with those specific emotions, or art that is inspired by them, but seriously, it almost always feel like in media it's portrayed in a fetichistic or even lazy way by people whom i would like to ask, are you looking for a sub goth girlfriend or what?.
As much as I hate the whole "Jocelyn was secretly the villain all along" thing in it's entirety, there is nothing I hate more about this show than the implication that she was "manipulating Tedros into abusing her". Whoever came up with that is an absolute creep. You literally CAN'T trick someone into becoming an abuser. Tedros made that desicion 100 % on his own. It doesn't matter if she "actually wanted it" or if she "lied about being previously abused and in a vulnerable position (which 🤮 on the writer's part by the way), or anything like that. What matters is that he was abusing someone, he was praying on someone he at the very least thought was in an incredibly vulnerable position for his own gain and sexual gratification. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING any of that and shame on anyone who thinks there is!
Facts
So am I the only one who stayed true to their word and didn’t watch this show?
I did! I stayed true!!
I also stayed true :)
I didnt watch this weird Britney spears biopic fanfic either
I didn't either, yet I saw some clips online, and that was enough to turn me off it altogether.
I also stayed true.
Can we start a 'Release the s
Seimetz Cut' campaign?? I would love to see what this show was supposed to be before it got sleazed up and dumbed down.
The original premise was intriguing.
That original cast was wonderful.
Lily's acting is really good, even when given almost nothing to do.
It's sad. The Idol could have been a great show.
Agreed. #ReleaseTheSeimetzCut
I hate when a male director takes over a female director’s project, one that is written from the female perspective on a female experience and completely rewrites and ruins it. (Same thing happened with Brave).
Brave as in the Disney movie?
@@devonmunn5728 Yes, it had a female director that wanted to focus on a fraught mother-daughter relationship (with the bear aspect included). This is seen in the first 20 minutes of the film. But a male director came in and scraped the emotional arc of the mother and daughter and just made it a silly movie of a woman turning into a bear. Again, a female director writing on the female experience and having the story rewritten and ruined by a male director.
@@devonmunn5728 Technically it's a Pixar movie
@@shrewii666Brave had a really good and interesting beginning. I still like the movie but the whole film would've been perfect had they went a different route and not the Bear route. Turning Red uses the Bear concept better actually cause Mei being a Bear heavily plays into her identity and her relationship and connection with her mother, and it plays into her metaphorical acceptance and the generational hardships of her mother and past relationships.
The Weeknd WAS NOT fine. We just have to agree to disagree. I thought his performance was downright atrocious.
I agree, it was embarrassing and I like the weeknds music.
It was made worse by the fact that everyone else around him gave great performances, while he’s so bad. So he looks even worse in comparison
The only scene he was good in was the dinner scene pressing Jocelyn about her "past". His performance as Tedros was just awful as there are many actors who can do a better job than Abel.
@@livcaitbffhe way you word that reminded me of oshi no ko
He was so unbelievable as this dangerous cult guy. Looked and acted more like a petulant baby.
Jocelyn being the villain is like Dan being Gossip Girl, you see them be the victims when nobody's around but somehow they were manipulating. A desperate attempt to fool the audience, you can do that with actual good writing Sam.
She is not the villian tho? It's supposed to be that she is not the victim. Very different things. (sarcasm)
Yeaha but GG actually had character arc and their motivations and story conclusions were better written, focusing on wealth genuinely rather than using it to shock or stimulate the audience to make the show feel edgy
@@dealerpluses sure but that... makes TI even worse. 😂
@@eneyavorodecky I bet this is what Levinson wanted to do 🥴
@@selmadjeziri8285 honestly, I have no clue, because the end result is such mess, we have no clue how to read it in any way that is NOT nonsense.
The “twist”, if you can even call it that, to me reads as an excuse to make the abuse she endures seem not as gross or uncomfortable. Almost like they’re trying to say, “see! She planned all this so she wasn’t ACTUALLY being abused and mistreated” as a way to dismiss the criticism. As a woman myself who’s experienced multiple forms of abuse, it makes my skin crawl. Especially given Levinson’s track record of writing female characters.
Also, the underlying tone of a woman lying about her abuse and being manipulative to get what she wants just feels so disgusting. It’s really harmful to push that narrative and I’m not convinced it wasn’t intentional. No hate to the cast but learning all this about Levinson makes me glad this show was so poorly received. Thankfully I never watched it myself and now I definitely have no plans to ever watch it. Wish we could’ve gotten the original vision for the show cause it sounded really good with a lot of passion behind it. What we got was borderline gratuitous soft core torture porn.
It's also been cancelled
I've watched videos from multiple creators about this show and somehow there's still always something new and disturbing to learn.
The "she was the villain all along" twist has the same energy as writing "it was all a dream" at the end of an essay
Sam Levinson and Abel Tesfaye's work on this show is a perfect example of why someone should tell celebrities that just because they're good at something (singing, writing, directing, acting, etc.) doesn't mean they're good at everything
They all wanna be Donald Glover but lack the multi talent.
I mean, the main idea of the Idol it was to show how Hollywood and the music industry can treat pop idols poorly in a belittling, abusive, and manipulative way; showing it from the perspective of an aspiring Idol being harassed, manipulated, abused and so on until she realizes in a way that it shouldn't be like that. The idea was good, interesting, thoughtful about this kind of behavior for aspiring stars, musicians, and idols. Sadly, and for some strange reason that I don't know from Sam and Abel; they decided to change all that good foundation and turn the story of the series into a softporn which the girl lies about being abused, she enjoys being abused and all of the men are the victims in this history or something like that.
Abel tesfaye? you are a normal civilian. act like it. say the weeknd like you should
@@brezio5251 Its just a dude's name, why are you being so exceptionally weird about it?
@@brezio5251 his name is Abel tesfaye
The way Dyanne and Xanders characters were basically just to show off that they could cast famous singers makes me so mad. Like there was so much that could've been done with Joss vs Dyanne or Xander taking down Joss while working on the inside
The "Why?" section had me dying laughing! Characters have to have motivation, and from what I've seen from both your vid here and AmandatheJedi's is that NOT ONE character in this show has any idea what they want.
You are spot on about this damaging the Weekend's image. He makes it sound like people are dunking on his indie passion project. Like dude you have to had received criticism for your music before, you have a massive music career. Why are you acting like a child on Twitter? This isn't your first time being in the spotlight...
Honestly, the show and all the drama surrounding it ruined the Weekend’s music for me. I was never a full-on fan of them but now I simply cannot listen to their songs any longer
Tbh being a cowriter on this damaged his image too. His music is very misogynistic but hey the music is good and it's just a character thingy thing for his music.
But THEN he writes a misogynistic show, glorifying abuse etc.. AND takes it so personally
Now everyone is weirded out
Why is he acting like a child on twitter? Because he's an Aquarius, we are infamous at not taking criticism very well...
Which is kind of disappointing, because when he was invited to cameo on Uncut Gems, the news was that he seemed to really connect with the producers as a huge film buff. This was probably a passion project for him, and it stumbled right out of the gate
@@beck2752 Maybe don't blame random plasma balls in the sky for a character flaw someone can work on.
This was one of the worst “twists” I’ve ever seen, if Jocelyn was faking all the abuse then what were xander and leia talking about when they said her mum was abusive. And even if she were lying , that makes her manipulative, it doesn’t make Tedros any less abusive. Destiny literally says he tortured his ex, was a pimp and we see him abuse people physically throughout the show but all of that doesn’t count because Jocelyn lied? Very revealing about Sam levinson
Exactly! That plot twist doesn't make sense to me when you have two witnesses
@@cojinmangodestiny and haim seem to know too, it literally makes zero sense. And if she’s this master manipulator then why is everyone just backing her up?
@lauryn5432 I know right?! I am pretty sure they tried to make the transition from manipulated to manipulator in the last 5th and 6th episode, but we know how it was cut short and in any case it doesn't follow its own narrative. The only thing that could've made sense was that Jocelyn had indeed an abusive mum, but she didn't hit her with the brush in particular, and this was a set-up to create another cycle of abuse which would fuel her creative mind(? Still kinda fucked up
It's official. Sam Levison hates women 🤣
And he say he's going to kill Jocelyn but at the same time Sam and Abel are like "woman bad buuuuaw"
As a woman, I feel like it's cool that there are many different versions of female protagonists and antagonists: heroines, anti heroes, villainesess, silly, smart, well written, badly written. I think it'd be productive to strive to have as many female characters with as many different colors as men characters. That being said, when there's so little variety to go around as far as female character writing AND within that little variety funds are going to this kind of "abused-but-not-really woman" content that plays into the worst conspiracy theories narratives about sexual and physical abuse is quite honestly horrible and problematic. It wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't feel like this type of content could be taken at face value by parts of society and further feed a narrative that ultimately justifies not believing women victims, etc. It's not that THIS content had to come and fix everything, or have the perfect message or be fair to women even. It's that there's so little content on these subjects that when something new comes out, I wish it was better than this dumpster fire.
To me, it screams projection on the author's part. Either of his views on women, himself or both. And that's plain sad. It only confirms the stereotype of toxic mascunility, thinking women are out to manipulate them and use trauma or abuse as a means, and of men almost doing them a favour by being abusive; while other creators, male or female, could do something way more compelling with those same resources and theme. But i believe it failing so hard may help honestly (or at least i want to believe so), IF the producers take the right message from the reception of this and don't go "oh well let's just not even attempt a female centered story".
I think I’ve seen more hours of content about the idol than the duration of the show itself 😂 never gets boring.
Same. I had no clue of it even existing to begin with
Seeing The Weeknd losing the idgaf war that badly on Twitter while this show was airing is certainly more entertaining and enjoyable than this show.
he even did a troll pfp change... this man is never going to live this shit down
the way he's defending his acting and even did an article saying he forgot how to sing from playing Tedros. Like... you're doing all that for THIS?
@@jimmylu1352 he said what?? 😭
@@jimmylu1352 no wonder he and Levinson got along - both thought they were doing some deep sh*t here 🙄
I’m so tired of Sam Levinson and his sick and twisted fantasies about teenagers being placed onscreen and viewed for entertainment.
It was disgusting when Roberto did it with Archie and it’s equally disgusting here with whatever this show is.
Sam is an r rated version of Roberto, or more like Roberto without any restrains, he is free.
@@javierlopez9789Roberto + a famous dad = Sam
@@javierlopez9789Roberto would absolutely do the same thing as Sam did if the studio allowed him, maybe even worse. It's amazing that we have so many directors with big red flags and studios keep hiring them...
I hate the entertainment industry rn teen shows on abc family/freeform were more decent than what's out today. Teen shows went from The Fosters unstable family drama to p*rnography on Euphoria. Sam and Roberto are just disgusting human beings and need to be stopped
It's actualy way worse, cause Roberto doesn't have Archie doing full nudity sex scenes on screen. Also you know, Roberto doesn't do "actually abuse victims are abusers".
I appreciate these recaps so I don't have to actually watch the trash shows to understand the conversation. Great job!
Watch it. It is enjoyable.
"Who do you answer to?" "....God" I almost had a stroke
plot twist ... again .... She sees herself as "God".
The show really really feels like it's written by someone who would say "metoo was the worst thing to ever happen"
Ikr? Like, the only people who would complain about MeToo are the people that cause things like MeToo to happen in the first place
Yeah exactly. Like they would say something like: "MeToo ruined dating and sex for men".
@@spectre9340 so you are saying that male individuals who never raped or assaulted female individuals, aren't able to find the Metoo movement flawed?
Either they have skeletons in their closets, or they wished they had some. Really disgusting
This is a generalization, but anytime someone in Hollywood brags about having a strong female protagonist or a story about female-empowerment, it seems to be a story glorifying a very terrible person who is not empowered, but abusing power... and that is VERY telling about the atmosphere in the film industry. It makes the whole situation with Amy Seimetz painfully ironic.
I honestly think it's so misogynistic that to Hollywood, an empowered woman is someone who is as capricious and cruel as the men in power.
I couldn’t have said it better
Well said.
@@thelastjerkbender2505 or who is only empowered after suffering some type of assault or abuse
I feel like this idea would work if the movie is actually aware that the strong female protagonist is morally questionable and shows the bad effects of their mindset.
OMG ''a boring attempt at being provocative'' may be the most perfect one sentence description of this show I could ever heard. You nailed it as always.
Crazy that this got made, is there just no oversight? Didn't a bunch of people have to look over this as it was being made and say "What you're doing is good, keep going!" Not one of them said "Hey you know what? This is pretty horrific so maybe we should fire Levinson and just call it a day on this trainwreck."
A big thing in hollywood is sunk cost fallacy - we've spent so much money on it, we have to keep going and double down, deluding ourselves it'll all be fine
It blew my mind that they tried to portray Tedros as a "victim" in the last episode when it was revealed earlier that he had been in prison for torturing his ex-girlfriend and being a pimp. Even if we just accept that Jocelyn was the big bad villain all along with no questions asked, the guy is still an abusive piece of shit who got what he deserved, but somehow the shows hints that we're supposed to feel bad for him for falling for Jocelyn's manipulation. What exactly is the message that Sam and Abel are trying to send here? We're supposed to feel bad for abusers and their actions are somehow all the fault of some manipulative woman?
I think it was a realistic portrayal of characters that you would encounter in real life, if you were to visit Hollywood. The point of the series is to show, that, if toxic individuals get caught up in an interest conflict, they violently manipulate each other to get their passionately desired outcome. There is no hero in this story, because it is not idealistic. There are a few villains, who all were victims at some point, and which, due to their incapability to emotionally and rationally deal with trauma and pain, developed a kind of machiavellian like character trait of being able to exploit others for selfish benefits. These folks don't represent all of the human population. Just the majority of those who live in Hollywood. It is about exposing the life style in a literal sense. They are just showing how each part of the society lives there and how they interact with and another. Artists, Labels, managers and so on. A story like the one told in the Idol, most likely happened more or less the same in real life, a couple of times in Hollywood. Nothing special, just the regular drama. I don't get why all critics, reviewers and fans are giving such negative feedback.
The scene where she brings Tedros up on stange made me cringe so bad
@@Biring1 good way, or bad way?
Between your video and D'Angelo Wallace's, I truly feel like I got the full Idol experience without ever having to see weird sex scenes with the Weekend, thank you for taking that hit for all of us 😂
Yes,, thank you,, I didn't wanna see that shit,,, and but for these blessed folks,, we never have to...
I recommend Kennie JD's as well
Facts
Jordan Theresa is an ICON on “girl” media. I watched hers first and now im watching FSN.
Amanda the Jedi was a key part of my "practically watched the show" curriculum as well 😂
This show being cancelled after 1 season didn't surpise me before but now even makes more sense when you realise it was cut down to 5 episodes, HBO MAX realllllly wanted to just drop this show hard
Based on the twist, Levinson is actually like Tedros in real life, and he's felt very called out lately, so he really needed to show that "No, it was the women who were manipulating me!!!" Just screams blaming the victims, insinuating that the surface level abuses are veiled machinations. Very bad writing.
I dont understand how she lied about her mom abusing her, yet Xander said he saw it happen. Not only that, but was literally tortured for knowing and not saying anything. Did they forget before they made it a twist or something??
It was just "but it was the plan all along!" despite it making no sense unless the manipulative character has some sort of omniscience.
@@petrfedor1851 I think Xander was just so bitter about the contract he was forced to sign by Jocelyn's mom and was trying to push her buttons.
So just to be clear, we were supposed to get a story about the systemic abuse of women in Hollywood told through the eyes of a struggling, grieving popstar, and instead we got a show about an abusive fuckboy who they tried to make the victim, while leaving us with the message of "women like to be abused, but if they say they were abused, they're lying about it".
So it's emily in paris but with minors, creeps, and men trying to pretend women are the problem
😂
I had only watched The Idol to see BlackPink’s Jennie in her first acting role, but Lily Rose Depp was what kept me going after seeing what a useless character Dayanne turned out to be. This wasn’t even a show that you love watching just to hate it-it was cringe all the way through and I wasn’t sure I would ever get through it; the only reason I finished watching is because I’m somewhat of a completionist but wow this show didn’t deserve a watch at all. Truly just felt like a male fantasy but the male is a 13 year old boy who’s never talked to a girl in his life and lacks any sort of awareness and empathy for women. And seeing how The Weekend reacted to the negative comments on this show led me to have such a distaste for him-I deleted any songs I had of his just because I can’t hear his voice without thinking of this awful show. I really enjoyed you ripping this show apart, it’s well deserved!
Lily Rose Depp feels like a student who got stuck in a group project with a bunch of non-contributors and doesn’t want to get a bad grade. When the project is done she’s the one stuck presenting it to the teacher in an attempt to make it seem somewhat competent so they all don’t go down with the ship. Like the other actors who were good aren’t the lead so they can kind of just walk away from the train wreck but Depp is stuck with it as the protagonist. Her minor defending of it and the language she uses makes me think she knows it’s not worth anyone’s time but she still has to put on a face for now.
No but seriously, why is this so accurate?!
It's probably in her contract. You have to help with the promotion of the show. That means defend it, say positive things. Sad thing is, she signed the contract before the rewriting I'm guessing
it's also her first acting role isn't it? like she gave such a good performance and should be recognized for that, I hope she's able to continue acting if that's a route she's interested in taking
The leaked set photos of the original story looked so fun and interesting. It looked like it leaned heavily into the fun idealistic pop princess most people associate with pop stars. And ofc the show would lean more into Jocelyn's pov SHES THE MAIN CHARACTER. the weekend really killed the show bc of his massive ego and it sucks bc this show had so much potential
Where to find them?
@@nevaminddd The Idol subreddit or Twitter.
Abel axing the original show was just so fucking upsetting. I've enjoyed the guy's musical output but he just seems like an uber-douche after this whole shebang.
This really says a lot of the weekend and maybe that’s why he kept so quiet over time because maybe he’s a sociopath
I thought that was just for the backstory, when Jocelyn was still a pop star,like her beginnings or stuff
The character of Jocelyn feels like it's based on Lily Rose Depp's mother, Vanessa Paradis. Vanessa became a famous singer at a young age with the song "Joe le Taxi." At the age of 16, Vanessa Paradis acted in her first movie "Noce Blanche" where she had several nude scenes, Lily Rose has the same start for her acting career with plenty of nudity in Idol.
Later in her career, Vanessa Paradis had a relationship with Lenny Cravitz, a black musician, with his help Vanessa had great succes with the song "Be My Baby". In the Idol series Jocelyn has a relationship with Tedros, also a black musician.
your videos are so long (my attention span is HORRIBLE) and yet i'm completely immersed in each one, i love your videos they're so in-depth and genuinely keep me interested!! something about your commentaries has me hooked :)
Also, Sam Levinson originally did well with the first season of Euphoria, but that was actually just a translation of an Israeli tv show. The original show only had one season, which is why there is such a huge drop in quality between the first and second season of the American version of Euphoria. The first season was just translated and adapted slightly, the second season was Sam Levinson wrote completely on his own.
The Game of Thrones problem! Creators who do great as long as they're adapting other people's material but crash and burn when they have to start from scratch.
Omg now I understand it. I was so confused about the Drop because Sam Levinson wrote season 1 and I loved it.
Even Season 1 had its problems but atleast it had some consistency with its characters. Good acting, good music and ofc cinematography managed to distract us from its mediocre storyline
Wait, really? What Israeli tv show ?
@@lunaoliveira7965 never heard about it before too. super interesting
Hear me out! Sam levinson is a TV-MA version of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa
Both have
- terrible writing/story
- Decent to great casting (if we’re ignoring the weeknd, lol)
- great visuals
- full of themselves
- sexualize teenagers
- try and fail to properly address serious topics
- forget a bunch of important plot lines
- got lucky and have been riding the coattails of ONE (1) successful show
- etc.
Honestly, one more Sam levinson show and he might be friendly space ninga’s nemesis too 😭😭😭
That's a massive stretch, especially with the visuals from RAS that don't come anywhere near as close to stunning as Sam's. Also the casting for RAS is generally hit or miss.
@@edwardaucay8597
Respectfully, I don’t think it’s a MASSIVE stretch (maybe a bit of a stretch) but hear me out
Terrible writing:
Levinson: the idol and euphoria season two
Roberto: most of his shows, lol
Decent to great casting: this is where I’d say it’s a stretch, I’m giving most of the actors from RAS’ shows the benefit of the doubt that they’re just doing the best they can with what they’re given.
Great visuals: this one is a lil bit of a stretch too, I’ll admit, lol. 110% Sam levinson’s shows are beautiful and much better executed but if you look at shows like chilling adventures of Sabrina and even riverdale (I’ve only watched till the end of season 3), there are some shots that I find pretty great.
Full of themselves and sexualizing teenagers: self-explanatory
Failing to address serious topics: both have tried and failed to address topics of racism, abuse, and SA.
Both seem to have this notion that sexualizing female characters = feminism.
For example:
Levinson:
Jocelyn is no doubt sexualized in this show from a male-gaze perspective (through things like camera angles and costuming) . HOWEVER her being sexualized is portrayed as feminist (that whole master-manipulator thing).
In euphoria, we’re kinda meant to cheer kat -a literal child- on for “owning her body”, while she’s working as a cam girl.
RAS: Don’t even get me started on how riverdale does this all the time, I promise you, it’s not that hard to find an example.
Forgetting/abandoning plot lines: self-explanatory
Got lucky riding the coattails of one popular show
Levinson: Euphoria
RAS: riverdale
So, while this may be the shower thought of someone stressing out for exams, I don’t think it’s a massive stretch to say that they’re (sort of) two sides of the same messed up coin
Respectfully Roberto Is JUST THE WORST.!!!!
@@FriendlyBatDoomrespectfully wholeheartedly disagree. i also didn't watch riverdale and never plan to but i liked the first season of sabrina, visually beautiful and dark. his writing definitely peters out towards the end, just like season 8 of GoT. I don't think Roberto and him are comparable.
@@momo-vu1wr I understand. I never watched Sabrina due to this channel telling us just how bad it was. Riverdale got on my nerves due to Cheryl, Kevin, Archie and personally THE WORST IN VERONICA LODGE. RESPECT👍
This director fucking LOVES zoom shots lol. I've never watched either this nor Euphoria, but there are just so many zooms in these clips of them. Without hearing the actual audio, his filming style kind of looks like a bunch of music videos stitched together
You're spot on about this and The Sabrina ridiculous misunderstanding of what feminism should be all about. Why do some really idiotic directors think that women empowerment means them being ruthless psychopaths?
Because they're ruthless pyschopaths. They can only imagine women leveling the playing field by women treating them how they treat women. They can't imagine it any other way
"Mental illness is sexy" 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 Why is Sam Levinson even allowed on sets?
It was a poorly take on the "trend" of mental health when it could have been addressed in a better way
It's so sexy, my OCD making my hands bleed from washing them is just super sexy. /sarcasm
All I’ll say is... I hope Sam Levinson NEVER goes anywhere near Lolita. Who knows what he’s gonna do with that source material.
At the end he's going to make her the villain
That story got bastardized enough already. If he gets to that I honestly think it could lead to the writer combusting with so much force earth would be cracked like an egg
oh god no please stay away from Lolita, i hope to god they never try to make a modernized remake of a classic
Lolita needs to finally get a good adaptation and not be left standing with these horrible adaptations like the one from Hitchcock or the one with Jeremy Irons.
You deserve more credit for the details you put into your videos. I like it when creators do their research and care so much about what they put out on the platform.... And you clearly do! I couldn't make it passed the 3rd episode, props to you spaceninja! ❤
Regardless of what yall think about the amber heard and johnny depp trial, placing lily rose in a show where fake abuse allegations are used against a guy is......a choice.
…well damn o.o
Omg i was thinking the same thing
Yeah a truly disgusting choice
Oh wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Wow that's insensitive from the show's part
Mental illness being healed is sexy. Someone learning a lesson is sexy. People having sex of their volition and not being pressured/coerced into it is sexy
I'm surprised Sam has a wife. Either she's just as crazy as him, or he's making her stay with him like Mother Gothel
That guys is married? Fuck, if he ends up having kids, they are probably going to have a pretty rough childhood
@@WaltDevil060 hate to be the bearer of bad news. He has a son and said in an interview he wants to make children's films for his son. I wish I was making this up.
@@edsterrock Well, shit. I feel sorry for that kid already
@@edsterrockI'm feeling that movie is not gonna be kid friendly because you know he's fetish of underage teens
@@edsterrock…..at least he didn’t have a daughter..? yeah no this is just awful news
41:27, In theory, the idea of a performer attempting to use the “tortured artist” trope as a means to advance their career could be interesting, even thought-provoking.
With the many different characters out there that fall into this trope, a satirical approach could have made for a clever deconstruction of it, showing how stupid and harmful the idea of tragedy and mental illness being seen as a necessity to make impactful art can be, especially when used by people who view it merely as an aesthetic choice or only use it for attention (or as pointed out in many of this channel’s videos, shock value) compared those who genuinely suffer from these issues (ironically what this show and Euphoria are guilty of in many respects).
42:33, That could have given Jocelyn’s self-harm and her lying about her mother’s abuse a more appropriate reason for being included in the story.
Again in theory.
Here for the algorithm, but I also wanna express how insane it is that I never feel bored throughout your sometimes 3+hour reviews. Keep up the good work, we'd definitely be missing you otherwise.
The fact that Levinson needlessly specified that his wife “showed him the article” made me burst out laughing. The most strategic boundary crossers I’ve encountered loooove to invoke their partners when discussions of their art or behaviors are scrutinized.
It’s a classic deflection tactic, a creator gets criticized for racism/misogamy/ableism/bigotry of your choice and pull out their token to deflect.
The "I have a black friend" tactic.
He needed to say that someone else brought him the article because he’s supposed to be “too cool” to care enough to seek out articles about his work. 😂
He wants to appear unbothered and incurious about how his “art” is perceived. “My wife was curious and found this article and insisted on showing me. I didn’t care. I never would have come across that article on my own because I never google myself or anything about myself.”
Did I watch the Idol? No. Did I still watch waaay too many reviews of this dumpster fire? Definitely. Did I still know I absolutely had to watch this specific review because it would be the most brutal one of all, whilst still being objective and fact based? 100%
COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!❤❤❤
Should you keep talking by asking yourself questions that you then proceed to answer? Definitely not.
@@cantfindaname123421oh, hi, The Weekend
You're bragging about having your uninformed opinion (you say you didn't watch it) confirmed by a stranger? Interesting.
No one cares
My favorite part of this show was when Jocelyn went up on stage and said "What if the real abusers were the idols we met along the way?"
This show 100% is glamorizing mental and sexual abuse. And Sam levinson has an apparent kink and I hope now that people noticed this about him, that his career suffers. God only knows what he’s done behind closed doors.
The Weeknd and Sam levinson destroying their reputation in a month was the only good thing about this show
"The visuals are gorgeous. The performances are amazing. The writing is what ruins the show" This has been the hollywood trend for the past few years lately. Writing keeps killing great visuals, setups, and acting careers.
In the wrong hands tho (well worse hands) and this comes out , which is crazy
Let's just hope their strike is going to reverse that trend. I'm sure they're fuckin tired of writing shitty scripts!
Yep it's like they are using AI to write scripts already and we just don't know it.
i'm so happy you reviewed this. So many videos have come out because bashing this show is trendy but most of them have no idea how to talk seriously about what makes a show good or bad. You're one of the few UA-camrs who actually understands television critique
Well the "reveal" does sound like a great idea, if it had been introduced with hints and snippets all through the series... like a "Whodunnit" Murder investigation... if you could go back and see ALL the signs that it was idk... a vengeance plot to get even with the people that effed with her after her breakdown or whatever, that could have been great... DEEP storytelling.
Hearing about all of the lost potential simply makes me sad. I would have much rather watched Jocelyn try to reclaim her agency back from the callous industry who cruelly took it from her.
I wondered if the original version was to start with the rise and success of Jocelyn's career in a intense montage sequence then it cuts to the photoshoot scene.
This, if nothing else, proves why the writers' strike is important. They must be so sick of having to write shitty shows for shitty people on ridiculous deadlines. I'm so tired of being fed fast food shows. Having that result of a show when you have so many talented actors and technicians on it should be a crime!
Makes me wonder how Sam Levinson achieved to get one good season of Euphoria. I'm sure if we dig deeper down, we will find out he wasn't as involved in the show as in season two. There's no way you can make ONE good thing and then suck hard on all your subsequent projects. Smells fishy.
His view on ''female empowerment'' and fetishization of teenage girls is highly disturbing. I wouldn't let my daughters work with him or be near him.
Apparently season 1 was adapted from an already existing Israeli show
Season 1 of Euphoria had a writers room and even different directors for certain episodes. The second season did not have a writers room, it was completely written and directed by Sam and that’s why the quality dipped so drastically
turns out it was completely adapted from an Israeli version with slight alterations, season 2 he had to write himself since that original version only had 1 season, so basically he's just a lousy writer who got a shot w the big bosses running the movie and show industry and is blowing it all while spitting in the faces of people w actual talent. same thing w that producer/writer guy from riverdale he's one of the biggest L's to actually talented people who struggle to ever make it
I'm going to use "fast food show" in the future. It's a great analogy.
@@cameronharder9283 I'm glad my random rambles on UA-cam resonated with you \○/
The weekend is the hip hop version of Steven Segal
I’ve Watched way to many people tearing this show a new one and I’ve enjoyed every single one but this is undoubtedly the best one. A damn shame that UA-cam killed this video’s growth, leaving a comment to help out.
The part where he’s getting in the guys face going all “don’t you ever look at her again 😡” had me laughing so fucking hard
Like I was waiting for the bodyguard guy to palm him in the face and push him back going “maaaaan if you don’t get your goofy ass tf up outta my face-!”
🤣
That would've been better than the original by miles
Sometimes I wish somebody would just hire Sam Levinson to do the cinematography on a show and refuse to let him do anything else. He's able to put together so many amazing shots, but he can't go five minutes without sexualizing young teenagers and romanticizing the most fucked-up and unhealthy relationships imaginable.
Agreed! Like, dude, you can make shots look absolutely amazing. Focus on that and let someone else do the writing and directing?
We don't even need Sam. He may have some ideas, but his DP, Marcell Rév, is the one who actually makes those visuals
Just find Marcell a director worthy of his brilliant work
Then we'd find out that he's actually not a good cinematographer either lol
boosting !! also, thanks for explaining the entire production thing bc i was SO confused on the timeline and who left when and who was involved where 😭
I had already watched quite a few videos about The Idol when your video came out but I had to watch yours because your voice and your sense of humor are just too delightful to miss. Especially when you’re roasting a bad show. Keep making great content!
The saddest part about the idol is how much it reflects badly on The Weekend/Sam Levinson's previous works. So many people are saying they can't even listen to The Weekend anymore without thinking about Tedros, even though his albums were great and positively-recieved. And Sam Levinson's creepiness is making people see Euphoria as just a show where teens do explicit things, ignoring the amazing actors/production and its serious dialogue of substance/relational abuse in youths of today.
All for a show that's message was basically "sometimes women who are abused are actually not victims" ?????????? like okay 💀
I agree, but i can still listen to the weeknd's music cause i surpress the memory of the show. The last part is true, i need sam to go to hell, and leave hollywood
People thought that about euphoria before this came out.
For a lot of people, watching those things now brings bad memories from the show and knowingly giving these people money and attention doesn't bode well for them
you can see tedros in the weeknd's lyrics.. you can feeeeel the misogyny. it's actually kind of crazy how no one noticed for this long?
@@Kris-wo4pjTrue, but ppl still recognized the good in it too.
I know that Lily-Rose is a nepo baby, but I feel bad that she got wrapped up in this.. clearly she has some acting talent and probably wanted this project to succeed, then had to market it anyways when it sucked
I feel kinda bad for her. Of course she has a lot of privilege. But she chose acting as a career and wants to succeed and I think she thought this might be a project giving her that. I think she was really screwed over and exploited to an extent.
I absolutely loved this video!! I hope you get to keep making work like this!! This sort of show deserves to be called out just as you did. Love love love. Thank you!!
Thank you for this! I really wonder what show we would've gotten if they hadn't ousted Seimetz. I'm guessing that they've done a lot of work to lock down all of the original footage and scripts, but I'm *so* curious!
the biggest irony of this show is that it was supposed to be a satirical look at how showbiz uses and abuses women, and it has now ended up as a joke of a show that people love to make fun of after it misused the women in the show and working on it.
It makes me wonder if the producers and/or Sam felt called out by the original intent of the show. Sam wanted to subvert that subversion, to suggest that the abusers may be the ones being abused. Muddy the waters so there is not a clear problem of abuse from the top that needs to be fixed, because “abuse is just part of the game.”
@@calebmarmon1310 i didn't even think about that, but that's probably not far from the truth.
Honestly, this whole story feels like a slap in the face after Metoo. I haven't watched the show but the way it seems to depict abuse (physically, sexually and mentally) is triggering on every level. You CANNOT pretend to be empowering and write a story about an alleged victim who is actually a manipulative abuser. This is just sending the wrong message. I do not believe it happened on accident. It pretended to come out as revolutionary on this topic in hollywood but did the exact opposite on screen as well as behind the scenes. A massive waste of potential (probably because of fking producers) and a lesson on what not to do when you want to make a good show.
And the thing is, it's so unclear what she even wanted to achieve with that manipulation. To get Tetris to re-enact her childhood trauma that turned out fake? To steal his artists that she hadn't even known about at first? It would make so much more sense if she just flipped after learning he set their meeting up, and used her money and influence to get back at him, thus also realizing how much power she actually wields.
But no, instead we have to believe that : a) she manipulated him all along for some obscure purpose and b) she ruined his life only to announce him as the love of her life just because she's crazy or something
@@actually_curious4773 isn't she mentally unstable?
@@davidhimmelfahrt3732 well even mentally unstable ppl have some motivation behind their actions. "Woman crazy" without any explanation is just lazy writing.
@@actually_curious4773 I think she just behaves as ruthless as she does, because she truly doesn't care about the ones, that the she exploits. She just wants her passionate desires to be satisfied. For example: the continuation of her career as a singer. That is her motivation, isn't it?
I have never heard of this show and I'm thankful for that. This video is a work of love and kindness to us all. Thanks for your time and effort in these things. I'm sorry UA-cam is dumb.
The most annoying part of this show is that there are glimpses of a good show. The video shoot where she breaks down and there are all these people pressuring her and she's trying to stay in control and she can't get the take she wants and it spirals, that was interesting. Tedros did not need to be in the show at all. Release the Seimetz cut!
Wow...as someone who has experienced the affects of abuse firsthand, this is horrifying. This man should not be given a platform to enact his sick fantasies. He should be silenced.
Edit: I'm even more disgusted after hearing the finale described. This is victim blaming, and it is a common tactic among abusers, especially serial abusers. It is disgusting and wrong, and Sam and the Weeknd should be ashamed for having used this tactic to justify their abusive use of these actresses and characters. I have never been more disgusted by another human's actions in my life.
Yes, it's a toxic mix of victim blaming, a totally irrealistic revenge fantasy for the victim, plus the Romantic cliché of romanticizing mental illness as a creative force.
@@erzsebetkovacs2527 yes, that really bugs me too. Mental illness isn't "sexy" because it gives someone the ability to manipulate someone else. It's a part of someone, either from birth or from being affected deeply by another's actions, and either way it should be approached carefully, giving the ill person license to choose when and how they approach the illness. Sam doesn't seem to understand this at all.
It gives Brave vibes. Brave was created by a Brendan Chapman and the original script was this heartwarming coming of age story of a girl coming to understand femininity by opposing and later reconciliation with her stereotypical feminine mother. It was a mirror of Chapman's own relationship with her mother. Brendan wrote an entire script and then she got replaced by this clown Mike Andrews who added the whole bear magical thing ruining the entire theme of the movie. I sometimes dream with watching Chapman's version of brave because I only love half the movie but I hate everything nepotism baby Andrew added later.
ugh, I've always hated Brave, this explains why it's such a mess.
Wasn't it a mirror of Chapman's relationship with her own daughter? But yeah, I'd love to watch her version of Brave. I don't mind the version we have that much, but her version sounded more interesting.
That would explain so much about Brave. The movie is so good right up until the bear transformation
Brave akways felt like two movies (badly) merged into one.
I didn’t mind Brave as much as this one though. It still had beautiful scenes in it. That one where both having an argument without each other present is so well done.
I just discovered your channel and am currently binge watching videos and vibing to your intro/outro music. Love your work! 😊
its so misogynist that they took the project away from the original show runner ( forgot her name ) because its too much in the female perspective even tho its a show about a woman and her perspective in thr industry like WHAT...
This show's production history is in essence just
"You became the very thing you swore to destroy!"