A Time Between Worlds, Zak Stein
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Zak is an influential voice among those wrestling with the deep problems with the source code of our culture, and he is particularly focused on the problems of learning and education.
We welcomed Zak to this Digital Campfire event, where we will dive into his concept of a "Time Between Worlds".
His piece a year ago, "A War Broke out in Heaven" caused a stir, proposing that "We are being shaped by vast and complex forces into becoming new kinds of people: www.zakstein.org/blog/
He is also a co-founder of the Consilience Project with Daniel Schmachtenberger: consilienceproject.org/
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We have upcoming events in the Digital Campfire including 'The Flip in Consciousness' with Jeffrey Kripal, 'The Game of Love and War' with Talib and Shubhaa, 'The Shadow' with Doshin Roshi, 'Can Stoicism Still Help Us' with Jules Evans, and many more. Check out the upcoming events, and come and join the conversation: rebelwisdom.co.uk/campfire-events
I enjoy Doshin Roshi a lot.
LOVE YOU! THANK YOU. Oh my goodness, this is a friggin GREAT interview!
Thank you, Zak Stein. I'm grateful for the work you're doing on the planet.
Hello Stein, your findings are nothing short of novel and marvellous!
Wonderful conversation. Zak’s book is fabulous. A must read. “When one who has a rich mental life sees a thousand things which are nothing to the mentally poor, this shows as clearly as sunlight that the content of reality is only the reflection of our minds”. Rudolf Steiner.
“Schools are designed on the assumption that there is a secret to everything in life; that the quality of life depends on knowing that secret; that secrets can be known only in orderly successions; and that only teachers can properly reveal these secrets. An individual with a schooled mind conceives of the world as a pyramid of classified packages accessible only to those who carry the proper tags.” Ivan Illich - Deschooling Society
I appreciated Zak's assessment of our educational system, especially his insight regarding multi age schooling. I think it's pretty clear our educational systems have played a major role in the dysfunction we're experiencing in western society.
No mention of media / social media?
Higher education led the way on overall educational dysfunction
Major hat tip to Rebel Wisdom, which I have discovered in the last year. Daniel Schmachtenberger and Zac Stein of the Consilience Project (RW opened this door), Jamie Wheal, and his work. I knew of Ken Wilber and Diane Musho Hamilton (from Wilber), but did not know of Wheal and Stein's connection to Wilber's work. Keep up the great work RW, bravo.
I don't view these videos looking forb answers. I view them for "perspective appreciation". Not unlike viewing paintings and sculpture on exhibit. The answers I need come through prayer and meditation.
Buying his book now…
'The Family as target of colonization and commodification. Disruption by Labour systems, Communication and now bio medical systems. The medicalization of the family Structure.'
...Nailed it...
Good video with a lot of good points you guys. Not sure why people are having a difficult time with his words hes not being overly pretentious or complex given the subject matter. I would like to see some new faces and fringe heads on here, I would recommend someone like pan Africanist Dr. Umar Johnson who has been working for years to open a school and is constantly criticized for being a scam artist by black and white alike and yet gives out his contact info and tries to answer any questions. Rebel Wisdom might consider him overly racist, but he is willing to have good faith conversation with almost anyone and defend his views. I would love to see fringe somewhat radical activist like him for the information ecology as they are naturally passed over.
... All the wisest people of all times, have said two things : simplify, and look to Nature.
Simplicity trades in energy, smartness trades in capture, intelligence has no trade as it exists as wisdom.
Patriarchy is linear stubbornness on a planet of choices called nature. End labels, find meaning.underneath labels.
@@mellonglass ... Yes, just do what it takes, To be a halfway decent person.
Dr. Zachary Stein is frickin brilliant! Wow. This is the first time I've heard this man speak, and it's absolutely brilliant. So totally correct on SO many things, and SO organized oh my goodness, in his thinking, I love it. Wow. That's what I've been looking for. Great. Got my wish. I've checked out the name and now found his blog, and some old site of his, and I'm going to have to look deeper into his ideas. I love how he has such common sense too. It was confusing to me, unknown at the time, about WHY people hadn't noticed that the schooling was only directed along the lines of a type of slavery to economics, ie. fucking money. And that people's true abilities were going to waste, and that caused a lot of problems, such as drugs and drinking, and other things of course. But yea, I couldn't figure out why they were not seeing it. And then I heard him say, it has something to do with the industrrial age before the computer. It was such a bodily (mindless) time, of exerting energy without putting much thought into it. Hahaha. But now, now that that thought is really needed? Hahaha. Where the hell are those people? I think this man can help me to figure out a heck of a lot more. It's still.....SO complicated, and SO difficult, oh my goodness! But thank you so much Mister, for coming along to help us out of this mess. Appreciated.
I'm sorry. He was here the WHOLE time. But... I didn't know that? Ohpe. Well boy am I glad I now do.
They never attempted to look to see how some "thing" can last a long time, and that you don't have to be at the fucking factory every single day for the entire day, day after day! That, like the Orientals had learned, to make something properly and then take care of it...but NOOoooo. They couldn't question anything! Just take all the orders and OBEY every last stupid command, without asking why they are breaking down the materials so that you could keep coming back 24 hours a day to your factory or office job so that you can keep putting together the junk that falls apart faster and faster and there are less and less who know how to repair or keep clean those "things" that you all seem to think you fucking need so much!
OHpe! Forgot to mention. That is, when the Orientals were NOT taken over by lunatic cabal entities and turned into a communistic corruption.
I am a teacher at a university. Zak Stein has very important things to say but his use of language is typical of academics.....very verbose and thus distances the listener. He should speak in simpler words and then he will have an authentic impact.
Sometimes I don't understand specifically what was said (to the degree I couldn't reword it accurately) but I get a felt sense of what was said (imagery or feeling tone or analogy pops up for me) that is then translatable. I find it real fascinating.
With a 12 grade US education I can follow along with Shmactenberg...but this guy is a ball of confusion intermingled with mad scientist giggles.
@@willismcgee7210 interesting distinction. Of this loose group, Schmatch is a little bit more systematic and engineering (for lack of a better word) in his language.
As a listener, I find his verbosity keeps me alert and on my toes!
Yes I don't understand a word he says what is he talking about in general... What is the theory or the facts???
Brilliant session guys.
Any chance of doing a making sense series on uap's/ufo's before Brian Rose creates a full disclosure acceleration course
Jason reza Jorjani has just put up his take on this. Great if he could be interviewed.
ua-cam.com/video/w94ny-EfBVs/v-deo.html
This guy's snickers are his version of Camille Paglia's "uhhs" and "umms".
Sensemaking Sensei Zak Stein.
“Dude where’s my paradigm shift”
Ten kto w życiu nie ma silnego kręgisłupa , którym jest wiara i moralne zasady , których będzie przestrzegał ten daleko nie zajdzie .
10 Przykazań dane nam było po coś .
Wiem to i wierzę w to .
I love that you commented in your own language. Would love to see more of that in these comment spaces 💛
"a rising tide lifts all boats"
... Forget your big words, and speak simply And clearly.
Big words allow for concise communication. Building vocabulary can be a life long practice. I enjoy the practice myself.
@@randallsawyer4133 big words can be a way if hiding a lack of substance. Read Orwell's Politics & the English Language.
Developmental bias. Everything that was said seemed clear to me you may have a complexity bias for a lower level complexity.
Tom is probably correct. And I likely have a different "complexity bias". To me, words and sentences are akin to daubs and strokes of paint. What I really care about is the image which emerges.
@@randallsawyer4133 ... Randall, We need accurate words, not big words.... I love my Android phone Dictionary, with voice control. It is so quick....... A couple of years ago, I started the open carry dictionary Alliance!
What is strange to me is that nany people question God existing instead of questiioning things that going on around us and behaviors that surround us .
That what amazes me .
Interesting ideas
Just when I was about to throw a party, pop open a bottle of shampagne I'll never be able to afford I then watch this, fillled with Zaks giggling mid sentences.
Now that you mentioned his giggles.....can't help noticing it
The term inter generational transmission and kids learning from older kids made me think of the film City Of God, and how comparatively well adapted to their environment those kids were, albeit often mortally destructive.
Maybe we should stay "between two worlds." We don't need the past world or the future world. This is a golden opportunity to be free. Why is "the sacred" needed? Why is "enchantment" needed? Why are "narratives" needed? Why is "re-worlding" needed? Making ourselves dependent on these ideas and feelings is just a bad habit. Let go! You don't need all that stuff. There is no crisis. The problem is that you keep grasping at things while you are falling over the cliff. Trust yourself. Be.
Re-worlding. I like that
Our world is unraveling and of course we are still in denial about it. We are good at keeping our heads in the sand. Thinking if we pretend really well our existential problems will just all disappear. Even as they grow worse every day.
I also had some difficulty absorbing what Zak was saying for a lot of this. My feeling ( without knowing much about him ) is that this just isn’t his best platform or method for conveying his thoughts & hypotheses. Also sound quality seemed much better for everyone else who spoke. I have an inkling if I read some of his writing it will be, at least for me, easier to understand.
The frequent laughter is off putting but, again, likely just an indicator that this is not his best platform. He obviously has a lot to contribute. One of my favourite monks has the same laughing thing going on while he speaks...which no longer irks me...I think it’s just his excitement of what he has discovered & is now sharing with us 🙏💜
I want to share this message broadly however his use of language makes it difficult for the audience most in need of his message to tease it out. Sir Kenneth Robinson is an example of someone who managed to mainstream this general direction and much of his power was in the approachable and elegant simplicity of his speeches. Please Mr. Stein please try to speak at the advanced high school scholar level? How else to reach them?
A lot of chuckling
Zacks perspective on the obvious need for the UN social engineering outweighed all the other ideological moral verbose explanations?
"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents and everyone is writing a book." Cicero. Nothing new under the sun, every age thinks it is the end times. It's a kind of narcissism really.
It’s the beginning of a transition from the Industrial Age to the Information Age. Also power is shifting to Asia as technology replaces oil as the number one commodity in the economy.
Nothing new under the sun? How about nuclear warheads.
It’s the coming of a new dark age. There’s no turning the ship around at this point. Take this from someone living in Canada. No reliable counter culture in music or the arts, and for decades too. We are smack in the middle of the age of the internet or perhaps near the end of it. As long as the internet is around we will be continually just as atomized as ever.
In the late 60’s critics said rock n’ roll is dead. This is right before the release of Dark Side of the Moon. They were right and they were wrong. It wouldn’t die yet but it would die eventually. Rock has been dead for decades but our 1st world civilization is almost at that “eventually.”
Oswald Spengler clarifies this, there were many end times since then which came to be true. Caligula and Nero followed not long after Cicero.
People love using that quote particularly those who don't understand history very well. What do you think the conquistadors did to South America? Two world wars did to Europe? We've never had more power to destroy ourselves though information let alone weapons. I'm not saying we should run around suggesting the sky is falling but you can from the aspect of eternity say "nothing really happened" but you try living it and say that
People who create problems can’t solve, problems solvers don’t create problems.
2032 seems to be the year that all indicators point towards being the beginning of the new world.
Was it over played? Yes most definitely, times change and the only sure constant is that there will always be change. There was a time in that time and this is the time in this time etc.
you guys have this genius on and the audio is shite, come on
... The internet Is the new oral tradition.
*self problems solvers skill
Elon Musk made an interesting point that future education may look identical to video games, which in some ways it already is (simulations).
At one point he seems to say he dosent like the idea of there being no free will. Sometimes with these anti no free will guys it seems like they're saying, I don't like the idea of something therefor I shall believe it to be false. I for one can't operate like that, i want to understand actual reality even if it is uncomfortable.
I hear a lot of words so many that by the end all I could hear from him was a lot of sounds coming from his mouth.
What is he actually saying?
Hang on what crisis do people think has been dealt with, I don't think anyone seems to think that.
Instead of thinking reading or believing , wouldn't you want the curtain dropped and the opportunity to be apart of it or make an informed first party choice.
I agree with much of what Zak has to say, but he's part of the problem he describes. Nearly everything being conveyed could have been communicated much less pretentiously while maintaining verbal efficiency. This self-promotional oration style is a common characteristic of guests on this show. It serves nothing but ego and narrows the audience as a result.
Complexity theory can’t hear itself, so it projects an understanding of the imaginary. Where as a hot dog and mustard, has a usable concept to practice.
If dogs could bark, they bark for our entertainment, when in truth a dog speaks with intelligence of smell we don’t have.
@@ryansoulcraft2339 The sense making and meaning endeavor Zak, Daniel, Jamie, etc., are engaged in would be better served if they used their intellectual prowess to communicate in a way that's consumable by a wider audience. Not only do times like these call for pragmatism, but the irony of showcasing *the* fundamental problem while educating others on the downstream effects is a bit too much.
Would be interesting to compare & contrast Zak's communication style versus Jordan Peterson.
I personally find Zak's thoughts both more salient & exciting, yet I get the impression Peterson's talks appeal to a much broader audience. Lots of factors feed into this, obviously, but would be nice to focus the scope down to solely the communication style & see what we find.
And I will end there for now to avoid any disparaging comments towards Jordan or his parasocial following.
@@dannywhite7426 Also, Danny, could you elaborate on what you were getting at when you said "self-promotional" in your initial comment?
I think the precision of language is necessary to develop the conceptual framework to design more practical models and applications.
Soooo...can I get an electronic implant to tell me how much my health is being effected by my lack of monetary wealth? Let’s connect all the various dystopian paradigm shifts!
What illusion of stability? I don't see that
Maybe we need to add self problems solve to kids in school.
No "free will" reminds me of watching Vikings. Also, Calvinists believe in fate and many other Christians feel that Calvinists are more war like or confrontational. The idea is "if God did not want me to do it then I would not be able to do it". SO the fact that they CAN do a thing, justifies the thing they are doing. Does this sound like today's culture? A type of modernist Vikings I say. Hale Odin!
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sorry for my language rebels
my awakening was not something to roll your eyes at I experienced no gravity outta body a fucking alien and a fucking star spiraling material into ,e I dont kow if that star seed shit is for real but the upgrades in consciousness and brain wave shifts to my reality was paridigm shifting Zac but im relying on mutual understanding of this without the criticisms unless i mis understood you. I admire your intelligence thankyou for being my teacher/ Sometimes the non duality makes me take things personal so I apologize if this dont make sense. Personal AINT THE RIGHT WORD BUT WHATEVER I COMMUNICATE BETTER IN SILENCE/ Damn caps lock
Kabbalah
I am signing off. I am not educated and yet I can clearly articulate without giggling...chuckling every other minute. What the H....
It's a spiritual crisis. Why are intellectuals so afraid to talk about this? He is wearing a Kabbalah T shirt, so what are his true beliefs and insights?
Zak lol's after almost every sentence. For things that arent even remotely funny.
Maybe just post tragic development. I’ve done a lot of psychological and spiritual work and laugh a lot at things and don’t take things nearly as seriously as I used to because I suffered like crazy and know I’m probably going to die and have this sense that I could die at any moment
Nervous laughs are creepy
I call it the Seth Rogan laugh.
Yeah, I noticed that too. After a while, it gets… noticeable? Unsettling?
He laughs and smirks all the time at things he says which aren't remotely funny or even are serious, pretty annoying and strange behaviour: "... If people are spiritually alienated Haha...".
Maybe he laughs at his own BS and the fact that people are falling for it. Something's not right with him.
This guy uses verbosity to sound like he’s saying something intelligent and profound.
Is there any particular point he brought up you'd like to address?
@@MrStumpmeister I don’t think so. Thanks 🙏
He laughs too much