There is no such thing as freedom of speech, there is such a thing as freedom of speech with consequences. For example, if I walked down the street and racially insulted a fellow member of society that would lead to consequences
Being a dinosaur? X's algorithm is aimed towards right wing propaganda, as someone who works in coding and in that industry its so obvious but dinosaurs don't understand technical terms 😂
@@zero_1176 and you don't understand that you can't pursue the truth without freedom of speech. Discourse is the most powerful tool of education in the world... to ban discourse via banning free speech or moderating opinions only creates echo chambers. The Trump victory showed where the world is at. People do not have trust in the media or government anymore and it's for good reason.
Its nothing to do with being offended. Twitter is shite now unless you're a right winger, into arguments, conspiracies. Football clubs aren't, they're into making money from fans.
Jordan: Offended by Jose calling himself the special one. Offended by Jose calling Spurs Mr Levy club (Jordan called him a swine). Offended by Conte's rant. Offended by anyone who criticises the clubs owner (even though Joe Lewis is a convicted criminal). It takes a special kind of idiot to use the Gervaise quote back to front
define hate speech and who is the arbiter of what is and what isnt considered hate speech. i love how they say twitter has risen in hate speech yet wont provide examples. because hate speech to the left means something very different than people with common sense.
@@Fractalchemystical You're so right fella, twitter is a paradigm of virtuousness where incitement to violence never occurs. And for that matter the hotel just burned itself - the masochistic building used magic mind-control powers to force the innocent rioters to set it on fire. How dare these woke libs accuse the rioters of being responsible for their own actions; what a bunch of lefty loonies. Now, if you'll excuse me folks I need to get back to shagging my flag. 🤡👍
We know how the algorithm works because it’s the only substantial social media platform that is open source. If you don’t know what that means the “journalist” should talk about things he does have knowledge about. Jordan is right
Let St Pauli live in an echo chamber. Let people have less exposure to their ‘brand’ it’s their choice. Not why they feel that they need to announce it though.
The clubs are just removing themselves from the platform. They are not cancelling Musk and Simon can't paint him as a victim here. They are not obligated to stay on the platform.
@@JonGem1001 true, though. You morons seem to have a warped idea of “free speech”. There is no right to an audience - people are free to leave platforms as they wish
Perhaps this young German bloke should remember what happened in Germany the last time government told you how to think and who to support. As I remember, it didn’t end to well.
Simon is miles off it here. The problem isn’t that ‘other people’s views’ are being allowed on the platform. The problem is the algorithms have clearly been altered in order to sway people’s political opinions and describing it as a political weapon is 100% accurate.
Not correct there. Easily triggered people just cant handle that anyone can say whatever they want, uncensored. Before Musk, too much censorship was going on. Simon is 100%.
The bottom line is Elon Musk wants X to be a pretty place for free speech exists. Now the speech that we need to protect and that he understands is the speech that we don’t like. All I can gather is from these clubs is they don’t like what other people have to say and they don’t want to listen to it. That’s their decision, but I fully support X as a platform because it promote free speech and free speech is paramount in our society.
Wrong Jordan, freedom of speech doesn't come with hate speech or tolerating hate speech or any other issues such as racism or misogyny, laughable that you speak with any moral authority given your contradictory stance on racism in soccer, zero tolerance.
@@BAll-n7w Your buzzword is “buzzword”. It won’t change the reality of the ongoing rise of fascism worldwide. The more you try to hide it, the more sus you become.
@@dylanparker130 Freedom of speech is not absolute and should never be. It's a social construct just like any other political right and as such it can be regulated for the benefit of society as a whole. Hate speech and fascism are not a matter of opinion - they're criminal by default.
Simon usually talks a lot of sense but he sounds completely moronic here. Elon Musk has very clearly weaponised the platform in a way that the previous owner didn't in order to promote the most abhorrent political views possible, we aren't just talking about conservative opinions, we are talking about actual Nazism, racism, bigotry, values which are diametrically opposed to what we should seek to promote in football or any sport for that matter. It's very clear from this segment that he has a certain political leaning that has somewhat blinded him to the full extent of what is happening on Twitter simply because he's opposed to certain elements of modern culture. It's very immature of him and disappointing to be completely honest.
@@Mahlaki-q7p I won't provide you a precise definition because there isn't one, but I am sure we can all agree that speech which deliberately denigrates people based on their race, at the very least, fits the bill; and that kind of speech hasn't just become common on Twitter, but actively boosted by its algorithm.
@kiIIyourmasters and it's pretty clear from your comment that you're on the left. It's funny how the tolerant left will not tolerate others' views and try to censor free speech. You lot sound worse than the people you hate
@@pascalpitchen3219what are those opinions? That minorities eat peoples pets, that *azis deserve a voice but others don't. He's banned people for telling jokes about him.
Great job, FC St. Pauli! Elon Musk deserves to be boycotted. Being a billionaire in a world such as ours should be regarded as criminal and right-wingers such as Simon Jordan can whine and cope as much as they want.
@@Squadron_Bodron No, it’s not. In fact, it has nothing to do with my comment or the scum that is Elon Musk. Using “antisemitism” as a counter-argument for everything is an old talking point of the right-wingers.
Freedom of speech only matters when people you don’t like say things you don’t agree with.
Believe it or not, being forced to be part of a platform isn’t, and has never been, “free speech”
BBC WILL BE FUMING.
There is no such thing as freedom of speech, there is such a thing as freedom of speech with consequences. For example, if I walked down the street and racially insulted a fellow member of society that would lead to consequences
There is no guarantee of freedom of speech in Europe.
Jordan the absolute legend. 100% spot on.
Simon again saying it as it is
Being a dinosaur? X's algorithm is aimed towards right wing propaganda, as someone who works in coding and in that industry its so obvious but dinosaurs don't understand technical terms 😂
You know the difference between dinosaurs and left wing ideology? Dinosaurs have a basis in fact and scientific truth.
@@zero_1176 better than the years it spent on left wing propaganda.
@@zero_1176he’s a dinosaur why?
@@zero_1176 and you don't understand that you can't pursue the truth without freedom of speech. Discourse is the most powerful tool of education in the world... to ban discourse via banning free speech or moderating opinions only creates echo chambers. The Trump victory showed where the world is at. People do not have trust in the media or government anymore and it's for good reason.
Simon is 100% right. I believe Ricky gervais said it best “how arrogant are you to think you have the right to go through life without being offended”
Its nothing to do with being offended. Twitter is shite now unless you're a right winger, into arguments, conspiracies. Football clubs aren't, they're into making money from fans.
@@andyoneill970sooooo, just men talking about men things and not fairy cake recipes for the sodomite brigade ?
Fairy
Jordan: Offended by Jose calling himself the special one. Offended by Jose calling Spurs Mr Levy club (Jordan called him a swine). Offended by Conte's rant. Offended by anyone who criticises the clubs owner (even though Joe Lewis is a convicted criminal).
It takes a special kind of idiot to use the Gervaise quote back to front
define hate speech and who is the arbiter of what is and what isnt considered hate speech. i love how they say twitter has risen in hate speech yet wont provide examples. because hate speech to the left means something very different than people with common sense.
There are tons of Nazi stuff on there now. Stop being so naive ffs.
@xNSHD i feel sorry for their wives. A load of oestrogen high men who cry over comments.
Asking people on Twitter to burn down hotels with people in them . That's one..
@@AreJayCee Which nobody did.
@@Fractalchemystical You're so right fella, twitter is a paradigm of virtuousness where incitement to violence never occurs. And for that matter the hotel just burned itself - the masochistic building used magic mind-control powers to force the innocent rioters to set it on fire. How dare these woke libs accuse the rioters of being responsible for their own actions; what a bunch of lefty loonies. Now, if you'll excuse me folks I need to get back to shagging my flag. 🤡👍
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Are people in England even allowed to comment on this? Or will you all just go jail for agreeing with Simon? 😂
Twitter is gay
No you go to jail for wishing harm to groups of people dumbarse
Well done Simon Jordan 👏 👏
Based Simon
*Biased
Freedom of speech is so important, keep it up Elon
freedom of speech has limits just like your education is very limited
What people never seem to understand is freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequences
Basically they don’t care if a platform is biased as long as it’s the side they agree with. Got it.
We know how the algorithm works because it’s the only substantial social media platform that is open source.
If you don’t know what that means the “journalist” should talk about things he does have knowledge about.
Jordan is right
Spot on Simon, world has had enough
Well said Simon. Woke insanity has no room for adult debate or discussion
Simon you legend!
Well said Simon common sense always prevails.
Not in the UK...
This is the real simon
Well said simon.
Spot on Simon, let the snowflakes leave
X is gay
Simon for PM
Brilliant SJ Give it a rest Jim Big Gb
Well said Mr Jordan.
Football clubs are obligated to stay on Twitter now??
This is one of the few times I agree with Simon Jordan. Spot on. Free speech is not free if it is censored because some people don't like it.
My kid is 17, doesn’t use insta or X. 3 old guys with no idea how teenagers communicate with each other. Facebook is worse. It’s for grandmas.
It’s the same old issue.🤔🤔🤔. WHO is it that “decides” what hate speech is?🤷🏼♂️ And what authority do “they” have to make that decision on my behalf💁🏻
Let St Pauli live in an echo chamber. Let people have less exposure to their ‘brand’ it’s their choice. Not why they feel that they need to announce it though.
Classic Simon
Gotta love Simon.
Love how Jim swiftly moves on once Simon brings up Left Wing Extremism 🙂🙃
Simon Jordan reminds me of Tucker Carlson.
What about him resembles Tucker Carlson to you? They don’t even sound the same lol
@@kingj7606 lol, you can’t see the resemblance? Plus their conservative views are more or less the same.
@nsd_respect I'm just asking the question... 😮
Tucker never bankrupted a football club.
@@nsd_respect They both hold conservative views, so do a lot of other people. There the resemblance ends.
Simon is always spot on.
The clubs are just removing themselves from the platform. They are not cancelling Musk and Simon can't paint him as a victim here. They are not obligated to stay on the platform.
Nice spin.
how many football supporters even use it?
@@32stevo You don't know 1 single football fan, that has a twitter?!
Is he trying to paint Musk as a victim? Victim culture is a product of the left, not the right. The right don't buy into victim culture nonsense.
@@JonGem1001 true, though. You morons seem to have a warped idea of “free speech”. There is no right to an audience - people are free to leave platforms as they wish
Quit bashing Musk! He's making a lot of us wealthy. 💰 💸
not often agree with simon but hes bang on with this one
Omg what the hell is going on in the world. A football club rejects free speech
Oha Constatin du tust mir Leid
What disgraceful comments made by Simon , of course he can say what he wants but he is wrong …..
Perhaps this young German bloke should remember what happened in Germany the last time government told you how to think and who to support. As I remember, it didn’t end to well.
He probably remembers the last time a minority of people were blamed for the world's wrongs.
Leaving a social media platform isn't anything to do with nazis. What a bizzare comment
@@kadarabdullahi You mean the same minority of people who are currently destroying Europe right now?
Please, false history, Zionist khazarian Jews are to blame for all wars since napoleon.
3 world wars are already planned, Albert pikes letter
@@andyoneill970 the english love to refer to nazis just to cover up their bottle history when it comes to european glory at the football pitch.
everyone should quit twitter.
Said the pink haired alphabet mafia members.
Virtue signalling is pathetic but when ur doing it to no audience what does that say
LOL 😅🤣😂
They preferd twitter when it was just a woke echo chamber.
Now it's the worlds town square and they run away.
Speaks volumes.
Absolute clowns. UTV
Which English will follow this first
People. Don't like St pauli but actually. Look into the club only club who let you get stoned
stepping onto the wrong side of history
St Pauli have seen a gap in the market and trying to gain financially from real life problems. At it.
Simon is miles off it here. The problem isn’t that ‘other people’s views’ are being allowed on the platform. The problem is the algorithms have clearly been altered in order to sway people’s political opinions and describing it as a political weapon is 100% accurate.
No, the left just wants censorship
Not correct there. Easily triggered people just cant handle that anyone can say whatever they want, uncensored. Before Musk, too much censorship was going on. Simon is 100%.
lol the algorithms were far more corrupt under jack dorsey
No, the left is for censorship
Hang ETH is quite extreme my god😳
The bottom line is Elon Musk wants X to be a pretty place for free speech exists. Now the speech that we need to protect and that he understands is the speech that we don’t like. All I can gather is from these clubs is they don’t like what other people have to say and they don’t want to listen to it. That’s their decision, but I fully support X as a platform because it promote free speech and free speech is paramount in our society.
Simon is way off the mark
He's not, he's spot on.
Simon with yet another bad take. Shocking.
It’s a feature not a bug.
Talksport is a right wing platform so of course he’s going to play to the audience.
Simon was 100% correct. Except about the Humber Bridge, it was the Clifton Suspension Bridge!
Very good take by Simon - communist leftist are the issue
Woke Celtic fan detected
St pauli and Celtic are left-wing lunatics
screw twitter goto blue sky
You are welcome to your echo chamber... bye
Ffs Politics have absolutely no place in football 😂
Just get on with it eh and stop trying to be a martyr!!
Wrong Jordan, freedom of speech doesn't come with hate speech or tolerating hate speech or any other issues such as racism or misogyny, laughable that you speak with any moral authority given your contradictory stance on racism in soccer, zero tolerance.
The left have arrived, with buzzwords in hand.
Zero tolerance for freedom of speech you mean.
@@BAll-n7w Your buzzword is “buzzword”. It won’t change the reality of the ongoing rise of fascism worldwide. The more you try to hide it, the more sus you become.
What you're describing is not Free Speech. Freedom is an absolute - it's 100% free, or it's not free at all.
@@dylanparker130 Freedom of speech is not absolute and should never be. It's a social construct just like any other political right and as such it can be regulated for the benefit of society as a whole. Hate speech and fascism are not a matter of opinion - they're criminal by default.
Simon usually talks a lot of sense but he sounds completely moronic here. Elon Musk has very clearly weaponised the platform in a way that the previous owner didn't in order to promote the most abhorrent political views possible, we aren't just talking about conservative opinions, we are talking about actual Nazism, racism, bigotry, values which are diametrically opposed to what we should seek to promote in football or any sport for that matter. It's very clear from this segment that he has a certain political leaning that has somewhat blinded him to the full extent of what is happening on Twitter simply because he's opposed to certain elements of modern culture. It's very immature of him and disappointing to be completely honest.
Older people don't understand technology and how it works, it's so obvious here too.
Define hate speech please? Who gets to define it? Be specific
@@Mahlaki-q7p I won't provide you a precise definition because there isn't one, but I am sure we can all agree that speech which deliberately denigrates people based on their race, at the very least, fits the bill; and that kind of speech hasn't just become common on Twitter, but actively boosted by its algorithm.
Jordan has shat the bed here. Big time.
@kiIIyourmasters and it's pretty clear from your comment that you're on the left. It's funny how the tolerant left will not tolerate others' views and try to censor free speech. You lot sound worse than the people you hate
cry me a river Simon 😂
Just like Elon Musk does what he wants the Club can do what they want
Starmer voter detected.
Let the snowflakes just leave hey 😁
Doesn't like the idea of 'the little man' standing up for themselves.. typical tory
The majority of the world is unwittingly supporting Marxist ideology, so not sure wtf you're on about.
Simon is always quick to ridicule anyone showing moral fiber. Must be fun.
How many boosters?
Liberal fascists have no moral fiber. Don't be fooled by their poison.
Jordan really is a c u next tuesday
Musk is a c u next Tuesday 😂
I can smell the soy from here...
Why? He is 100%. Too many people are too easily triggered because they can’t handle if any opinion is different to theirs.
@@pascalpitchen3219what are those opinions? That minorities eat peoples pets, that *azis deserve a voice but others don't. He's banned people for telling jokes about him.
@@pascalpitchen3219 These people are what they accuse others of being, there ridiculous to put it mildly.
Great job, FC St. Pauli! Elon Musk deserves to be boycotted. Being a billionaire in a world such as ours should be regarded as criminal and right-wingers such as Simon Jordan can whine and cope as much as they want.
This is antisemitic
@@Squadron_Bodron No, it’s not. In fact, it has nothing to do with my comment or the scum that is Elon Musk. Using “antisemitism” as a counter-argument for everything is an old talking point of the right-wingers.
Plenty commie soy boy, get a job
Yawn..free speech welcome to democratic society
Should he give all his money to you?
Constantine flting his colours here. 🤮
Simone doth protest toooooo mucho.
Go back to sleep. Oh, you already are.
Lol Simon jumping through hoops to not offend billionaires is always funny.
I agree with Simon on almost everything but he is completely wrong here regarding Musk
St.Pauli is based
Just stick to the football ..
Thats all that matters to proper fans..
If you more concerned about trump then give your head a shake
Worlds gone mad
Dear admin,
It’s called Twitter.
- Thanks
What weeping and gnashing of teeth from the npc sheep who stink of hypocrisy after all that went on in X's previous manifestation. 👋
All the right wingers flocking in here to have a rich day.....
You call anyone who doesnt agree "right wing", you dont have any of your own opinions mate. You're a parrot at best.
Your balls are in a bin .take your puberty blockers.
Maybe the worst take I’ve ever seen.
Who cares improve as a team St Pauli...woke