@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift. For Windows, they implemented WinUI in Swift on Windows. They took a huge risk and had to create the implementation of WinUI in Swift, and created a bunch of tooling around Swift on Windows that just didn't exist. Presumably they'd want to use Swift on Linux, which is okay, sort of. Gtk bindings for Swift do exist, but what would the implementation look like? Apple and WinUI have distinct, standardized layouts, standard components, with guidance on how an app SHOULD look. GTK and KDE don't exactly have this sort of dynamic, and which would you use?
This seems significantly less convenient than Firefox Multi-Account Containers for my use, but I'm very happy to see some innovation in the browser UI space. It has been stagnant for too long.
i tried containers and they were meh. I did not find a usecase for having cookie isolation in the same window. also it doesn't isolate search, downloads or history. a separate profile for work and home is a much better flow for a majority of people.
As someone who’s used both, I actually find Arc’s management much more convenient (I haven’t found a way to break up bookmark bars in Firefox by container yet). Having my spaces with their bookmarks readily available is hugely helpful since I freelance for a few separate companies
@@crowmanhusk5644 in cases when you have multiple accounts, lets say, an student account and your every day account. Is really anoying when you have to open another browser window only for 2, maybe 3 websites because you are using other account for that. Instead, containers open that page automatically with your "student" container. I mean, is a really specific use case, but is pretty handy and easy to use. For me, I have 3 containers: my main user account, my student account and the last one for youtube only 😂. Containers are the only extension that keeps me tied to Firefox
@@crowmanhusk5644It's really great when apps have bad multi account management (like ms teams....) Also github when at least one of your accounts is a github enterprise account
Tabs in the sidebar is a really great feature. Before Arc I was that crazy person, who used Edge on Mac and Edge on Linux just because it has vertical tabs.
@@d3stinYwOw I'm very open to trying those, but so far the ones I've tried haven't integrated into my workflow as easily as the native Edge way of doing things. Any good recommendations?
The URL bar in full view is a MUST for any front end developer who works on multipage sites with dozens, hundreds or more routes. In fact, I wish I could increase the font size of the URL so can read more easily!! So Arc might work for personal use, but incognito chrome or firefox is a must for front end dev work
As far as I know, their GUI using Swift on Windows is already live and open-source, so people can build their own Swift GUI apps for Windows now too. Would be interesting to see someone trying it.
@@thenewdesign I'm all for trying new things, and so I did give Arc a shot, months ago. I just don't understand its workflow. It looks pretty, but I'm just not seeing the thought process behind how I'm intended to navigate through everything
@@dinckelman Same, I was hyped on it before I actually tried it and on the waiting list for a seeming eternity. I have a bunch of ideas for making a browser myself, but never really dug into it. Arc's choices seem different for different's sake, without adding value. I can't blame Theo, his content path makes it super hard to come up w/ new video ideas so this is one he has to do. The fact that he didn't even know that Arc is canceled and the company is pivoting away from it is a bit surprising though
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Edge has tons of useless Microsoft bloat that *gets in your way* very badly. Source: I was Edge user for a very long time, but despite all my attempts, including making a huge bootstrap bat file with bunch of feature flags to disable things like Games or upsells, I've eventually found them adding more and [Do you want to reset your settings to Microsoft ones?] more bloat so off-putting I just switched [There's no need to download a new browser. Microsoft recommends ...] to Firefox. Not regretting it a slightest, even though I miss features like Read aloud a lot.
While watching your video I agreed with your critique about spaces and profiles. But then I gave the spaces feature a go and having spaces not coupled to profiles makes a ton of sense. If you want the functionality of spaces being treated like different profiles, arc lets you do that. It's also very explicit when you create a new space about that. Moreover, I just wanted sectioning between work and non work but I still want a shared session between them. Spaces gives me that. I would rethink the critique there tbh. Not really a shortcoming of arc, but overall do agree that there are loose ends that they still need to tie up.
I've had access to the windows beta and its total booboo. It's unusably buggy/unstable and feels like it only has a fraction of a fraction of the features that mac has implemented.
3:00 oh nooo. Oh no. I currently have like 50-70+ tabs open (and try to keep it around that number all the time), and some of the tabs I have are open literally for MONTHS. They are not pinned(not static at all), they are more like "todo" but not as much strong as to put them somewhere in bookmarks, or a note. First group is like some github issues I currently have in work (maybe like 5-6), others is some immediately useful learning material, other music, and sometimes some random stuff as well. UA-cam does have "watch later", but it became so cluttered there that I just open it as a tab instead. I feel that I am, surprisingly, very productive with this setup, and overall with the chaotic style of organizing stuff.
the first time i saw arc was way before even the beta for windows, and i LOVED the idea. and at the time i switched to edge (i was getting a new pc setup, and wanted to give it a shot). as soon as i found a feature of sidebar tabs in edge, i switched to it, and never could come back anymore. yes, there still were "old" bookmarks, but it helped me transition, too. when arc on windows came out, i immediately installed it and i wasn't feeling like i had to learn anything because i had basically the same browsing style in edge, except now it actually looked better and had color theme choices and spaces. i can never go back to the tabs on the top. i'm already used to a sidebar. and now, whenever i'm on someone else's pc, i use edge, but before using it i enable the sidebar mode. it's just so much more comfortable for me, and i don't even know why i used firefox before, too. when i got to firefox from google chrome, i could not come back to it ever again. i even tried. my brain just refused to use chrome. after going to edge, i didn't even bother getting any other browser, so i didn't try firefox or anything else because edge was my everything, it was enough. and then... arc. and im not even talking from a privacy standpoint - while yes, i am "for privacy", i still am what they call an armchair enthusiast, i don't do much to get to it, - and i went to firefox for the sole reason of trying something "new", not because ahh privacy omgomg. im always using arc now. i only upgraded to win11 because arc. i even showed it to my friend, and he loved it too, still uses it lol
it's always good to have competition. nonetheless, one shouldn't consider "shipping new features" as a reason to ditch a browser. We all agree that a browser is just.. a browser. Honestly what I care the most is stability, efficient resource consumption and no anti consumer moves.
Or, anyway, browsers should just be ... browsers. The more everybody kitchen-sinks them, the more maintenance, security, and usability problems for everybody.
After getting used to Vivaldi, without even touching most of its features, the gestures became second nature so much so, that when using other browsers, I try to open or close a tab with a gesture and get confused for a second, haha
this is why I'm against using tools that require different shortcuts or gestures, muscle memory is pita. About 10 years ago I wrote a script for a program to make my own shortcuts via F key behavior. A few years back I ended up using the same program on someone laptop my first reaction was to use my shortcuts. Today I don't use any shortcuts aside from the obvious ctrl + c, etc.
I feel like Vivaldi already has it all and is around for a very long time compared to Arc, so honestly I'm quite sceptical about it. And hacking your way to build the Swift on Windows even though might be amazing, also sounds like trouble.
From a business point of view, I agree about Swift, but personally, I really hope that it becomes more of a mainstream language and stuff like this helps it
*crosses fingers* Please say that you're switching to Firefox, PLEASE! Edit: bruh, you're switching from Chrome, to a closed source chromium fork. I'd rather use an open source browser that isn't just another chromium fork. Also you can do similar stuff on Firefox with a little tweaking and a few add-ons. Also, no Linux support... no thank you.
Spaces and profiles being separate concepts is a great feature IMO. It turns spaces into an organisational feature without forcing you into a different session. And you still get the option to tie profiles to your different spaces if you so choose.
Also there is no conept of bookmarks where I just want to save some links without having a tab saved. because If I wanna move out of arc there is no way to export this list.
Microsoft edge feels superior in every way, vertical tabs, profiles, workspaces, copilot, performance. and can be customized a lot. used all the browsers but edge has been my primary browser for almost 2 years and don't think i'll switch to any other.
I haven't looked at Arc but I hate the opinionated idea that tabs go away on their own. Anyway, I'm in the process of dropping Chrome for Vivaldi - have you looked at it?
Wish it could have been easier, but everything you get from Arc out of the box is very possible to achieve in Firefox. It takes some elbow grease, but I even managed to reach near-identical UI and UX experiences with extra capabilities and fixes (e.g. auto-hiding the sidebar to expand above the webpage, fixing the page width closer to standard aspect-ratios and preventing layout shifting risk) that I'm sure will land on Arc in later releases. Firefox does suffer from the same issue of feature prioritisation conflicting with reasonable expiations from the user-base, but it's still worth investing into as the most promising alternative to compete with Chrome and Google's monopolization of the web platform.
I wonder what people think about Edge. I moved over to it when I used a lower powered Apple M1 for work and Edge allowed me to get work done on my 13 inch M1 with 8GB. Even though I have 16 inch M1 with 64GB RAM now I am still on Edge. What I like about it is that it’s like Chrome just better and more efficient.
I've used Edge for around 2 years now, this due to that it renders like Chrome but manages system resources much, much ... better. Chrome also has gone way off what it initially was -- a light and fast browser.
@@TommieHansen Chrome was never never never ever light and fast. Back when Battlefield 3 was started via the browser, the devs even recommended people to switch to firefox for higher ingame performance.
@@Murv I guess you weren't around when it first launched. It blew everybody's minds how fast and light it was, compared to the competition, which was pretty much just Firefox or 4 different awfully slow versions of IE.
In Windows we have the wonderful Edge browser (if you don't notice its obnoxiousness in advertising Microsoft products), which has borrowed some successful solutions from Arc and from other browsers (vertical tabs, window splitting, fast profiles switching for example).
When you started talking about browsers that introduce meaningful features, I was sure you were going to say you switched to Vivaldi. If I was not a die hard Firefox user, that's what I'd use. If you haven't tried tiled tabs and stacked tabs, you are missing out
Tiled tabs exist on Arc as well (its called split views). Haven't used stacks but I think that might be like folders in Arc? Either way, def agree that these are pretty killer features to have.
I tend to default back to Safari, but I do really like Arc. I agree about disliking context being lost in the url, like right now I know I'm on youtube, the url should show the more relevant part (the channel/user). The side by side is really cool, not always a fan of disappearing tabs (as someone who opens then and only eventually closes them)
Not seeing the URL bar is SOOOOO fucking frustrating for me… If they at least added the option to enable developer mode globally (dev mode shows a blue bar with full url and some buttons, but only for a specific domain) I could swallow it, but the current state is not acceptable at all… Also, I’m daily driving Safari because the “tab overview” feature is a game changer for me and I can’t live without it, whenever I have like 15 tabs of docs open, I just zoom out and I see a grid of all my tabs and it’s perfectly readable (on retina screen anyway 😃), and I can find a tab I want in seconds… the closest thing to this was alt tabbing on windows when using Edge (it showed each tab in the window switcher), but even that is not that good. Sorry, rant over 😂
i tried Arc a long time ago, but the problem was: they use differnt shortcuts, so my muscle memory (settled from chrome usage) was against me, and Arc Support was not giving a solution, how to have shortcuts like in Chrome. I stopped then using Arc :/
feel like many of these critique points coming from a very heavy power users perspective. like the zooming critique, most ppl aren't streamers. feels bit nitpicky. would also argue most ppl don't care about the URL one bit. if they even know how it works lol. so thinking removing it from your view makes the browser less clutter. a big thing why I like it so much. its so much less useless information everywhere.
I am happily giving Arc another try when they are ready for windows. I use both, macos and windows regularly but as long as they aren't ready yet I still use brave
Microsoft Edge had the same sidebar tabs for a very long time (with groups which is amazing for organization), it has a lot more other features than arc too, so I prefer using it instead :) I don't care about "swift on windows" it's an irrelevant technical detail and I don't see the point of highlighting it in all of their social media this much.
Honestly I think a lot of what you said were purely subjective, for instance the point about the URL bar. Arc is aimed towards the general public and seeing the query params or even the path within a website is something only devs would care about. The point about spaces has already been made, but also the setting for the UI decision made for pinning of extensions. It's such a nitpicky detail that if arc were to address that feature, there would be a lot more decisions that various people were unhappy with, for which settings would have to be introduced for as well.
URLS affect alot of people not just devs. That's silly to argue in favor of LESS infomed internet users. It's like saying only mailmen care about the actual address of something, or only bankers care about routing numbers. A hard to see url, or URL-barless, browser increases ability to be scammed, to no be informed when being tracked through urls, to not see when a typo has been made leading to a 404 or a typosquatter etc etc . Just like accessibility ramps being opposed they are incredibly useful to have built in for the every day person and not have to add them retroactively. The difference between spaces with and without is staggering. The general public not caring about something UNTIL it affects an individual segment directly is a poor way to view UX.
Which is exactly why I specified the general public doesnt care much for query PARAMS. Arc DOES have the option to show the URL in itself (as theo has already enabled the setting for). Phishing attacks and similar happen by redirecting to a fishy website, not a legit website with questionable query parameters. @@TheNewton
This is gonna sound weird but idc about vertical space, I need that horizontal space.... I have about 8 extensions pinned and need to view the full URL a lot for debugging and making easy changes. I don't like Chrome but they are lightyears ahead with development for many use cases
Arc is ok, but i think we should be more critical with privacy problems. Arc does not address these other than not sending your analytics directly to google. That's why i am on brave, and theres no way i am changing right now. From a UI perspective Arc is really cool though. I just wish these features come to a more privacy based browser or they add some privacy features.
7:10 And it's totally makes sense. Because those pinned tabs intended to be accesable in any workspace. I'm use it a lot and I love the way how it works. I have a workspaces for working in a different workspaces, but I need a quick access to my Gmail or Google Calendar tab from any of those workspace. So it's totally makes sense for me. About profiles you mentioned, I guess the main reason they exist is for isolating cookies and that's it. For example, from one tab you want to see one twitter account, and from another one - another. Sorry, I'm bad in examples for this because I don't really use this particular feature. I'm fine with one default profile.
To always see the *full* url for a page you're visiting in Arc, do these 2 things (Mac users) - View > Show Toolbar - Arc > Setitngs... > Advanced > Show full URL when Toolbar is enabled.
it's a very niche browser, i only use it to play videos on a vertical monitor without entering fullscreen, and without all the url bars. i kinda wish chrome had zen mode
Theo's take is quite the Arc n00bie's take. He hadn't worked out pinned extensions, Ctrl-D dev mode which shows the full URL bar, and the concept of Spaces, which quite different to the UX of Chrome profile. Very opinianated and incomplete take! Things he talks about are his own niggles, not bugs or bad UX, in my opinion. Downloads and Spaces view is quite slow, that's true. I maintain 10+ spaces, it's an awesome King feature of Arc. Well done guys, you built something that's changed my life.
While I’m an Arc fanboy and their top 1% contributor, its important to say - all Chromiums (yes, including Arc and Edge) consistently use 5-10x more energy in non-sythetic tests. On tip of that Arc turns into a laggy piece of crap whenever you get below 20% battery as it caps fps.
This looks like a browser designed for persistent tabs. Personally I have Firefox configured to automatically clear my browser history when it closes, I never keep tabs open for long. I also don't like how small the URL bar is, it sounds really annoying to do web development when you always have to click to see the full URL.
I feel you fundamentally misunderstand the bookmarks. It is identical to chrome, in the sense one should be able to access them no matter where they are in the browser. As a college student, all my profiles are my different classes and the associated classes with them. The one common thing they have is a canvas page. Rather than pinning canvas to each profile, why would I not just bookmark canvas?
Wait... There is no way to use this browser without creating an account? That's I guess a new level. I believe it's not an issue for many people but definitely worth mentioning.
the zoom thing to me, feels like you should just have a different profile for the stream then. the whole point of the spaces with the same profile IMO is that they are the same browser, but you are just context switching but you expect to have the same logins/settings/etc, so if you want different zooms, then its not the same profile, and should setup another profile accordingly. That being said, would be nice to somehow import/export settings between profiles
they things you mention as things you dont like, are the things that I do like. they were explained in the onboarding. The top sections is supposed to be on all spaces with the same profile, thats the expected behavior. it really just sounds you are trying to do what its not setup to do, and then complaining about it. even though you could just create another profile and have it work exactly the way you would expect no problem
and after seeing this video, if i was Arc, i wouldnt fast pass you in either. you dont like some of the core features of the browser, and you run a channel with a large audience, so when you inevitably gripe about arc on windows, it puts out negativity around it.
I hate the fact that you can't sync desktop Arc with your mobile Arc browser, I mean there is a mobile browser from Arc team but it is not working properly
So it's only for apple right now? That sucks. Maybe I'll try a macbook one day, but every time I look at those prices for a basic laptop, I think to myself, "I'd rather get a 4090 for that money" lol
Memory management sucks still so I gave up on Arc for third time already. It slows my M1 mac with 16gb ram to a halt every time. The great suspender” works but if you split screen, it suspends the other window. This is only good if you have the patience to manually turn on/off tabs.
been seeing a lot of your videos recently and noticed you used Arc so huge dub i've used it for a while not (discovered it much longer ago when i was a Windows user and was wanting a macbook lmao)
I started using arc way back when it was fairly new for mac and needed an invite. I found that for dev work it wasn’t great and had a few issues - thankfully they’ve fixed these issues and I bloody love it (though I am mostly a windows user at the moment for work)
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Page width is a no win scenario for new browsers when really fixed width assumptions overfitting for specific browsers should be punished. The assumption of expected horizontal|vertical space has been and always will be a bad assumption, a problem since before responsive CSS capabilities. Actual screen resolutions, scroll bars , window size, etc etc. The amount of sites and designers that have no concept of the bleed or safe area , or arrogantly design for their corporate issued large monitor is no reason to stagnate browser abilities. Biggest example of this is sites stuck to "grid systems" like 960px that are horrible on mobile devices or on large tvs.
"I switched from Chromium to Chromium"
Arc is chromium? Then what's holding them from releasing it for Linux and Windows?
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift lol
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9obdid you even watch the video?
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift. For Windows, they implemented WinUI in Swift on Windows. They took a huge risk and had to create the implementation of WinUI in Swift, and created a bunch of tooling around Swift on Windows that just didn't exist.
Presumably they'd want to use Swift on Linux, which is okay, sort of. Gtk bindings for Swift do exist, but what would the implementation look like? Apple and WinUI have distinct, standardized layouts, standard components, with guidance on how an app SHOULD look. GTK and KDE don't exactly have this sort of dynamic, and which would you use?
me too buddy
This seems significantly less convenient than Firefox Multi-Account Containers for my use, but I'm very happy to see some innovation in the browser UI space. It has been stagnant for too long.
And vertical tabs.
i tried containers and they were meh. I did not find a usecase for having cookie isolation in the same window. also it doesn't isolate search, downloads or history. a separate profile for work and home is a much better flow for a majority of people.
As someone who’s used both, I actually find Arc’s management much more convenient (I haven’t found a way to break up bookmark bars in Firefox by container yet). Having my spaces with their bookmarks readily available is hugely helpful since I freelance for a few separate companies
@@crowmanhusk5644 in cases when you have multiple accounts, lets say, an student account and your every day account.
Is really anoying when you have to open another browser window only for 2, maybe 3 websites because you are using other account for that.
Instead, containers open that page automatically with your "student" container.
I mean, is a really specific use case, but is pretty handy and easy to use.
For me, I have 3 containers: my main user account, my student account and the last one for youtube only 😂. Containers are the only extension that keeps me tied to Firefox
@@crowmanhusk5644It's really great when apps have bad multi account management (like ms teams....)
Also github when at least one of your accounts is a github enterprise account
Theo is far too opinionated and brash without having formed his thoughts well enough and making sure he knows exactly what's going on
Never left Firefox
At least every test automation tool supports it.
tree style tabs and removing tabs at top with custom css is just great. I love the options of firefox.
stay there
Tabs in the sidebar is a really great feature. Before Arc I was that crazy person, who used Edge on Mac and Edge on Linux just because it has vertical tabs.
i am on windows, so arc isn't an option (yet) - but i also use edge for the vertical tabs and split panels. couldn't live without them anymore
Have your heard about vertical tabs extensions for other browsers? ;)
I really like edge
@@d3stinYwOw I'm very open to trying those, but so far the ones I've tried haven't integrated into my workflow as easily as the native Edge way of doing things. Any good recommendations?
@@spaceemotion1firefox vertical tabs extension is the reason I use firefox, edge felt so bad to use after them
The whole video and it's criticism are useless when he doesn't understand the difference between spaces and profiles.
arc windows release kinda taking a while
Preach 😅
Kek waiting for. linux
When will arc linux come out?
I got windows access today, want an invite?
@@s_shakeCould I get that invite?
The URL bar in full view is a MUST for any front end developer who works on multipage sites with dozens, hundreds or more routes. In fact, I wish I could increase the font size of the URL so can read more easily!! So Arc might work for personal use, but incognito chrome or firefox is a must for front end dev work
the url and secure icon should be shown all the time, maybe add a setting if you want to hide it but it should show up by default
Definitely would like to see a reaction to that Arc video on how they approached building their windows platform in Swift.
As far as I know, their GUI using Swift on Windows is already live and open-source, so people can build their own Swift GUI apps for Windows now too.
Would be interesting to see someone trying it.
Can't wait their windows buid
The Arc for Windows beta program is depressing to be honest, there has been only 72 persons enrolled in a month
OMG, it's only been 9 recently. Where do they get people so fast? They should slow down a little
There is just nothing compelling about this browser at all. It's different for its own sake, and slows you down more than it improves anything
@@thenewdesign I'm all for trying new things, and so I did give Arc a shot, months ago. I just don't understand its workflow. It looks pretty, but I'm just not seeing the thought process behind how I'm intended to navigate through everything
@@dinckelman Same, I was hyped on it before I actually tried it and on the waiting list for a seeming eternity. I have a bunch of ideas for making a browser myself, but never really dug into it. Arc's choices seem different for different's sake, without adding value. I can't blame Theo, his content path makes it super hard to come up w/ new video ideas so this is one he has to do. The fact that he didn't even know that Arc is canceled and the company is pivoting away from it is a bit surprising though
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Twitch works with Edge vertical tabs no problem. Separation, grouping tabs, profiles, etc. Why would you use Arc if it's just worse Edge?
new shiny thing
Edge is great
Edge has tons of useless Microsoft bloat that *gets in your way* very badly. Source: I was Edge user for a very long time, but despite all my attempts, including making a huge bootstrap bat file with bunch of feature flags to disable things like Games or upsells, I've eventually found them adding more and [Do you want to reset your settings to Microsoft ones?] more bloat so off-putting I just switched [There's no need to download a new browser. Microsoft recommends ...] to Firefox. Not regretting it a slightest, even though I miss features like Read aloud a lot.
firefox 🔛🔝
Arc!
@@NithinJune ?
@@regis9596 arc is a great browser
Honestly the only thing Firefox has got going for it is that it doesn't use chromium
@@unplandsitchand its a big thing
i cannot take the thumbnail selfies seriously
While watching your video I agreed with your critique about spaces and profiles. But then I gave the spaces feature a go and having spaces not coupled to profiles makes a ton of sense. If you want the functionality of spaces being treated like different profiles, arc lets you do that. It's also very explicit when you create a new space about that. Moreover, I just wanted sectioning between work and non work but I still want a shared session between them. Spaces gives me that. I would rethink the critique there tbh. Not really a shortcoming of arc, but overall do agree that there are loose ends that they still need to tie up.
I've had access to the windows beta and its total booboo. It's unusably buggy/unstable and feels like it only has a fraction of a fraction of the features that mac has implemented.
i use Arc btw
I might switch to a sidebar for tabs because I am one of those people who has so many tabs open you can't even see what they are anymore.
3:00 oh nooo. Oh no. I currently have like 50-70+ tabs open (and try to keep it around that number all the time), and some of the tabs I have are open literally for MONTHS. They are not pinned(not static at all), they are more like "todo" but not as much strong as to put them somewhere in bookmarks, or a note. First group is like some github issues I currently have in work (maybe like 5-6), others is some immediately useful learning material, other music, and sometimes some random stuff as well. UA-cam does have "watch later", but it became so cluttered there that I just open it as a tab instead. I feel that I am, surprisingly, very productive with this setup, and overall with the chaotic style of organizing stuff.
the first time i saw arc was way before even the beta for windows, and i LOVED the idea. and at the time i switched to edge (i was getting a new pc setup, and wanted to give it a shot). as soon as i found a feature of sidebar tabs in edge, i switched to it, and never could come back anymore. yes, there still were "old" bookmarks, but it helped me transition, too. when arc on windows came out, i immediately installed it and i wasn't feeling like i had to learn anything because i had basically the same browsing style in edge, except now it actually looked better and had color theme choices and spaces. i can never go back to the tabs on the top. i'm already used to a sidebar. and now, whenever i'm on someone else's pc, i use edge, but before using it i enable the sidebar mode. it's just so much more comfortable for me, and i don't even know why
i used firefox before, too. when i got to firefox from google chrome, i could not come back to it ever again. i even tried. my brain just refused to use chrome. after going to edge, i didn't even bother getting any other browser, so i didn't try firefox or anything else because edge was my everything, it was enough. and then... arc.
and im not even talking from a privacy standpoint - while yes, i am "for privacy", i still am what they call an armchair enthusiast, i don't do much to get to it, - and i went to firefox for the sole reason of trying something "new", not because ahh privacy omgomg. im always using arc now. i only upgraded to win11 because arc. i even showed it to my friend, and he loved it too, still uses it lol
it's always good to have competition. nonetheless, one shouldn't consider "shipping new features" as a reason to ditch a browser. We all agree that a browser is just.. a browser. Honestly what I care the most is stability, efficient resource consumption and no anti consumer moves.
the forced anti adblock pushes on chrome was it for me , im a brave user now . I feel like google is abusing chrome for more profit now.
@@gameplaychannel9435 Indidnt wanted to try brave and is amazing, just using youtube is a bliss
Or, anyway, browsers should just be ... browsers.
The more everybody kitchen-sinks them, the more maintenance, security, and usability problems for everybody.
No, we do not all "agree", please don't speak for everyone. For me layout, looks and customization are as important as stability
@@denysdorokhov6355 -- But mascit didn't say that _we_ all agree to care most about stability. Mascit said "what _I_ care about most is stability."
After getting used to Vivaldi, without even touching most of its features, the gestures became second nature so much so, that when using other browsers, I try to open or close a tab with a gesture and get confused for a second, haha
I've always used Gesturefy on Firefox for gestures. Tried vivaldi the last month and was nice seeing it natively implemented.
this is why I'm against using tools that require different shortcuts or gestures, muscle memory is pita. About 10 years ago I wrote a script for a program to make my own shortcuts via F key behavior. A few years back I ended up using the same program on someone laptop my first reaction was to use my shortcuts. Today I don't use any shortcuts aside from the obvious ctrl + c, etc.
Is this the youtube's version of writer's block.
I can't see anything special in Arc, Edge, Sidekick offer vertical tabs also and the experience are more intuitive than Arc exp.
I’m soooo tried of the Arc hype. Everyone makes it seem like the second coming of Christ. It’s a good browser but it’s still a browser.
sis, it is a good and creative browser. Makes work efficient and effective, chill
I feel like Vivaldi already has it all and is around for a very long time compared to Arc, so honestly I'm quite sceptical about it. And hacking your way to build the Swift on Windows even though might be amazing, also sounds like trouble.
Vivaldi user here as well and I feel the same
Im not a Vivaldi user, but I agree with the troublesome swift application on windows. Interesting, but not ideal.
From a business point of view, I agree about Swift, but personally, I really hope that it becomes more of a mainstream language and stuff like this helps it
Building Swift on Windows is not hacky, Swift has officially supported that for over 3 years
i have thus far been unsuccessful in replicating arc's workflow on vivaldi tho, any tips?
*crosses fingers* Please say that you're switching to Firefox, PLEASE!
Edit: bruh, you're switching from Chrome, to a closed source chromium fork. I'd rather use an open source browser that isn't just another chromium fork. Also you can do similar stuff on Firefox with a little tweaking and a few add-ons. Also, no Linux support... no thank you.
im on the windows beta and tbh the worst part of it is how it adds a top bar for no apparent reason.
i got 500+ tabs open in my firefox, closing after 7 days is a no go, i am not done with my work with the tabs in 7 days
Arc is defintiely not perfect, but man it's a joy to use. I never expected to be ditching Chrome within a year when I got my Arc invite in 2022
Has anyone else tried Vivaldi? It's been my main for almost 2 years now and I love it
There's an option to show the full URL on the toolbar, just right click the toolbar and it should be there
I forgot to mention that u have to unhide the toolbar first
Is it open-source or is it yet another potential spyware?
It's Chromium
So it's open-source Chrome (still developed by Google with Google things)
@@IndigoVoltage Being based on Chromium doesn't mean it's open-source though, just like Chrome is not open-source
the benefit of not using a profile is that you don't have login again in those profiles in all the accounts you want to access.
Spaces and profiles being separate concepts is a great feature IMO. It turns spaces into an organisational feature without forcing you into a different session. And you still get the option to tie profiles to your different spaces if you so choose.
"I'm shilling your product-give me stuff, damnit!"
Bro said the quiet part out loud 😂
Also there is no conept of bookmarks where I just want to save some links without having a tab saved. because If I wanna move out of arc there is no way to export this list.
Dude! I love the sidebar setup here.
Microsoft edge feels superior in every way, vertical tabs, profiles, workspaces, copilot, performance. and can be customized a lot. used all the browsers but edge has been my primary browser for almost 2 years and don't think i'll switch to any other.
I agree!!
I haven't looked at Arc but I hate the opinionated idea that tabs go away on their own. Anyway, I'm in the process of dropping Chrome for Vivaldi - have you looked at it?
You can disable it if you want. I personally think it's brilliant, have it set to auto-close after 30 days.
who tf was the one who raised their hand and said "swift, we'll worry about cross platform later"
wrappers on wrappers on wrappers
Wish it could have been easier, but everything you get from Arc out of the box is very possible to achieve in Firefox. It takes some elbow grease, but I even managed to reach near-identical UI and UX experiences with extra capabilities and fixes (e.g. auto-hiding the sidebar to expand above the webpage, fixing the page width closer to standard aspect-ratios and preventing layout shifting risk) that I'm sure will land on Arc in later releases.
Firefox does suffer from the same issue of feature prioritisation conflicting with reasonable expiations from the user-base, but it's still worth investing into as the most promising alternative to compete with Chrome and Google's monopolization of the web platform.
I wonder what people think about Edge. I moved over to it when I used a lower powered Apple M1 for work and Edge allowed me to get work done on my 13 inch M1 with 8GB. Even though I have 16 inch M1 with 64GB RAM now I am still on Edge. What I like about it is that it’s like Chrome just better and more efficient.
I've used Edge for around 2 years now, this due to that it renders like Chrome but manages system resources much, much ... better.
Chrome also has gone way off what it initially was -- a light and fast browser.
@@TommieHansen Chrome was never never never ever light and fast.
Back when Battlefield 3 was started via the browser, the devs even recommended people to switch to firefox for higher ingame performance.
@@Murv I guess you weren't around when it first launched. It blew everybody's minds how fast and light it was, compared to the competition, which was pretty much just Firefox or 4 different awfully slow versions of IE.
@@marcelo-ramos It was fast, but never ever light
I switched to arc browser recently, it’s so worth it. It’s the basic browser experience so fun again
In Windows we have the wonderful Edge browser (if you don't notice its obnoxiousness in advertising Microsoft products), which has borrowed some successful solutions from Arc and from other browsers (vertical tabs, window splitting, fast profiles switching for example).
I hope chrome will build a sidebar like this soon
That's a wonderful video about why I shouldn't (yet) use Arc
When you started talking about browsers that introduce meaningful features, I was sure you were going to say you switched to Vivaldi. If I was not a die hard Firefox user, that's what I'd use. If you haven't tried tiled tabs and stacked tabs, you are missing out
Tiled tabs exist on Arc as well (its called split views). Haven't used stacks but I think that might be like folders in Arc? Either way, def agree that these are pretty killer features to have.
for me its more the mouse gestures that I miss on other browsers, with a simpl swipe i close or re open a tab switch the tabs etc.
modern anti-charisma bugman
What a programming influencer moved to Arc?! THIS IS UNHEARD OF! 😂
These are the kind of software that has no practical advantage but some people use it because its looks great
I tend to default back to Safari, but I do really like Arc. I agree about disliking context being lost in the url, like right now I know I'm on youtube, the url should show the more relevant part (the channel/user). The side by side is really cool, not always a fan of disappearing tabs (as someone who opens then and only eventually closes them)
Not seeing the URL bar is SOOOOO fucking frustrating for me… If they at least added the option to enable developer mode globally (dev mode shows a blue bar with full url and some buttons, but only for a specific domain) I could swallow it, but the current state is not acceptable at all… Also, I’m daily driving Safari because the “tab overview” feature is a game changer for me and I can’t live without it, whenever I have like 15 tabs of docs open, I just zoom out and I see a grid of all my tabs and it’s perfectly readable (on retina screen anyway 😃), and I can find a tab I want in seconds… the closest thing to this was alt tabbing on windows when using Edge (it showed each tab in the window switcher), but even that is not that good. Sorry, rant over 😂
View -> Show Toolbar, will persist the URL bar at the top, always.
Google is an ad company. Anything that doesn't help their ads gets killed, forgotten or nerfed
Hot Take: If it doesn't come to Linux I don't want to use it (because I can't)
i tried Arc a long time ago, but the problem was: they use differnt shortcuts, so my muscle memory (settled from chrome usage) was against me, and Arc Support was not giving a solution, how to have shortcuts like in Chrome.
I stopped then using Arc :/
I just dont understand why you would want to lose so much screen space to have a sidebar that you aren't using most of the time
feel like many of these critique points coming from a very heavy power users perspective. like the zooming critique, most ppl aren't streamers. feels bit nitpicky.
would also argue most ppl don't care about the URL one bit. if they even know how it works lol. so thinking removing it from your view makes the browser less clutter. a big thing why I like it so much. its so much less useless information everywhere.
Arc is great! But yeah.. the download button is messed up 😅
Profiles is also weird, in the end I just have to use a different profile for each space
Why not just use Edge?
I was going to try out Arch. But the concept of profiles is crucial for me. So I'll wait 😅
Profiles are there, fully implemented. The complaint was that Spaces aren't by default linked to Profiles. You can customize it manually though.
So I Finally Ditched Chrome... For Arc which is also Chromium aka chrome based
I am happily giving Arc another try when they are ready for windows. I use both, macos and windows regularly but as long as they aren't ready yet I still use brave
They lost me at the point where making an account Is a requirement to use the damn thiing
Microsoft Edge had the same sidebar tabs for a very long time (with groups which is amazing for organization), it has a lot more other features than arc too, so I prefer using it instead :)
I don't care about "swift on windows" it's an irrelevant technical detail and I don't see the point of highlighting it in all of their social media this much.
Honestly I think a lot of what you said were purely subjective, for instance the point about the URL bar. Arc is aimed towards the general public and seeing the query params or even the path within a website is something only devs would care about. The point about spaces has already been made, but also the setting for the UI decision made for pinning of extensions. It's such a nitpicky detail that if arc were to address that feature, there would be a lot more decisions that various people were unhappy with, for which settings would have to be introduced for as well.
URLS affect alot of people not just devs.
That's silly to argue in favor of LESS infomed internet users.
It's like saying only mailmen care about the actual address of something, or only bankers care about routing numbers.
A hard to see url, or URL-barless, browser increases ability to be scammed, to no be informed when being tracked through urls, to not see when a typo has been made leading to a 404 or a typosquatter etc etc .
Just like accessibility ramps being opposed they are incredibly useful to have built in for the every day person and not have to add them retroactively. The difference between spaces with and without is staggering.
The general public not caring about something UNTIL it affects an individual segment directly is a poor way to view UX.
Which is exactly why I specified the general public doesnt care much for query PARAMS. Arc DOES have the option to show the URL in itself (as theo has already enabled the setting for). Phishing attacks and similar happen by redirecting to a fishy website, not a legit website with questionable query parameters. @@TheNewton
Theo, onde little secret feature Chrome have is the F11 Key, Man, Thais is blow your mind, really.
This is gonna sound weird but idc about vertical space, I need that horizontal space.... I have about 8 extensions pinned and need to view the full URL a lot for debugging and making easy changes. I don't like Chrome but they are lightyears ahead with development for many use cases
You can set the url bar to be up top and show the whole url.
Arc is ok, but i think we should be more critical with privacy problems. Arc does not address these other than not sending your analytics directly to google.
That's why i am on brave, and theres no way i am changing right now. From a UI perspective Arc is really cool though. I just wish these features come to a more privacy based browser or they add some privacy features.
I've been using Edge for 3 years now and I don't think I'm switching for the next 5 years
2:00 This is why i never assume anything about the user's viewport when developing a site. And I always test ridiculous viewport sizes.
7:10 And it's totally makes sense. Because those pinned tabs intended to be accesable in any workspace. I'm use it a lot and I love the way how it works.
I have a workspaces for working in a different workspaces, but I need a quick access to my Gmail or Google Calendar tab from any of those workspace. So it's totally makes sense for me.
About profiles you mentioned, I guess the main reason they exist is for isolating cookies and that's it. For example, from one tab you want to see one twitter account, and from another one - another. Sorry, I'm bad in examples for this because I don't really use this particular feature. I'm fine with one default profile.
To always see the *full* url for a page you're visiting in Arc, do these 2 things (Mac users)
- View > Show Toolbar
- Arc > Setitngs... > Advanced > Show full URL when Toolbar is enabled.
it's a very niche browser, i only use it to play videos on a vertical monitor without entering fullscreen, and without all the url bars.
i kinda wish chrome had zen mode
Theo's take is quite the Arc n00bie's take. He hadn't worked out pinned extensions, Ctrl-D dev mode which shows the full URL bar, and the concept of Spaces, which quite different to the UX of Chrome profile. Very opinianated and incomplete take! Things he talks about are his own niggles, not bugs or bad UX, in my opinion. Downloads and Spaces view is quite slow, that's true. I maintain 10+ spaces, it's an awesome King feature of Arc. Well done guys, you built something that's changed my life.
yeah i don't think the persistence issue between spaces is a bug or an implementation problem. it's just not what it's meant to be imo
While I’m an Arc fanboy and their top 1% contributor, its important to say - all Chromiums (yes, including Arc and Edge) consistently use 5-10x more energy in non-sythetic tests. On tip of that Arc turns into a laggy piece of crap whenever you get below 20% battery as it caps fps.
This looks like a browser designed for persistent tabs. Personally I have Firefox configured to automatically clear my browser history when it closes, I never keep tabs open for long. I also don't like how small the URL bar is, it sounds really annoying to do web development when you always have to click to see the full URL.
In Arc, wouldn't you just create a -new tab with a -different profile with the -same google sign-in.
I'm also a recent Arc convert. Easily best browser I've ever used.
I feel you fundamentally misunderstand the bookmarks. It is identical to chrome, in the sense one should be able to access them no matter where they are in the browser. As a college student, all my profiles are my different classes and the associated classes with them. The one common thing they have is a canvas page. Rather than pinning canvas to each profile, why would I not just bookmark canvas?
Wait... There is no way to use this browser without creating an account? That's I guess a new level. I believe it's not an issue for many people but definitely worth mentioning.
I went to the Arc website to check out the product and it legit maxed out my CPU while I was there. What on *earth* are they doing with that site?
the zoom thing to me, feels like you should just have a different profile for the stream then. the whole point of the spaces with the same profile IMO is that they are the same browser, but you are just context switching but you expect to have the same logins/settings/etc, so if you want different zooms, then its not the same profile, and should setup another profile accordingly. That being said, would be nice to somehow import/export settings between profiles
they things you mention as things you dont like, are the things that I do like. they were explained in the onboarding. The top sections is supposed to be on all spaces with the same profile, thats the expected behavior. it really just sounds you are trying to do what its not setup to do, and then complaining about it. even though you could just create another profile and have it work exactly the way you would expect no problem
and after seeing this video, if i was Arc, i wouldnt fast pass you in either. you dont like some of the core features of the browser, and you run a channel with a large audience, so when you inevitably gripe about arc on windows, it puts out negativity around it.
I hate the fact that you can't sync desktop Arc with your mobile Arc browser, I mean there is a mobile browser from Arc team but it is not working properly
I dumped Chrome
Got to Opera
Got to Firefox
Got to Chrome
Got to Edge
Got to Vivaldi
And now I will remain with Chrome
As one of the team we thank your feedback we will fix it ASAP 9:19
So it's only for apple right now? That sucks.
Maybe I'll try a macbook one day, but every time I look at those prices for a basic laptop, I think to myself, "I'd rather get a 4090 for that money" lol
i think instead of removing things, they should design the new things and allow the old implementation through a toggle for most of these complaints
Memory management sucks still so I gave up on Arc for third time already.
It slows my M1 mac with 16gb ram to a halt every time.
The great suspender” works but if you split screen, it suspends the other window.
This is only good if you have the patience to manually turn on/off tabs.
been seeing a lot of your videos recently and noticed you used Arc so huge dub
i've used it for a while not (discovered it much longer ago when i was a Windows user and was wanting a macbook lmao)
Just made the move.. loving it so far
Yes the biggest bump is that it is not Open source. Rest the browser is totaly cool
I started using arc way back when it was fairly new for mac and needed an invite. I found that for dev work it wasn’t great and had a few issues - thankfully they’ve fixed these issues and I bloody love it (though I am mostly a windows user at the moment for work)
took you a while :)
the only thing really keeping me on chrome (at least, sometimes) is the dev tools are just better...
i dunno vivaldi can do vertical tabs too with sections
I'm not an expert in browsers or something but isn't chrome the biggest browser that's not open source? Can someone explain what he meant at the end?
Yep chrome is, just misspoke ig
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Page width is a no win scenario for new browsers when really fixed width assumptions overfitting for specific browsers should be punished.
The assumption of expected horizontal|vertical space has been and always will be a bad assumption, a problem since before responsive CSS capabilities. Actual screen resolutions, scroll bars , window size, etc etc.
The amount of sites and designers that have no concept of the bleed or safe area , or arrogantly design for their corporate issued large monitor is no reason to stagnate browser abilities.
Biggest example of this is sites stuck to "grid systems" like 960px that are horrible on mobile devices or on large tvs.