Trying out a Canadian MRE (Menu 6).
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- A look at, and taste test of a Canadian MRE military ration pack. This tasted pretty good except for the powdered fruit drink which had a strong chemical smell and taste reminiscent of the electrolyte found in lithium cells with a hint of TCP and not PCP as I inadvertently said. It's as if it was missing the fruit flavouring.
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"Pain Hamburger" is the name of my Meatloaf cover band
haha nice!
Mine is Yorkshire Pudding!
panus
Beans and Wieners were a great band too.
"Hotdog Flatulence" are my favourite ska punk band.
I've never appreciated how "Pain Hamburger" must read to someone who isn't French/English bilingual before.
If ever I see that now, I get a mental image of Mr T., thanks to the flash-frame of him inserted by steve1989 on one of his videos.
I'm like: " Okay... I think I'll pass on the hamburger I don't wanna get hurt here."
Is it like a knuckle sandwich?
damn I feel like french bread
I love the way you review food, unlike those reviewers who pretend that anything that's even slightly sub-par is disgusting and unpalatable
You've obviously not seen either Ashens or Steve1989mre, they both take risks with out of date food.
Yep Steve is rarely disgusted, and with Ashens, the disgust is real. 🤣
"Tastes a tiny bit like PCP." What are you doing in your spare time...?
sshuggi pcp obviously
As you do...!
Actually I think he said TCP lol.
Nope, he said PCB since this is an electronic channel:)
There’s nothing wrong with pcp out of work hours… now if he said tcp we would have to worry
As an English Canadian I can honestly say; Readig the French First is like plugging the USB in upside down first.
keeperofthegood WELL SAID BUD
+The Hentai King Nah. Both are official languages.
Jack Coe - wilkgr the French colonized Canadian first, Quebec is really the only true Canada. Historically speaking, I’m from Quebec but I’m not Québécois
"Quebec is really the only true Canada" LOL, seems legit. What is the rest of Canada then?
Funny how the French are such strong nationalists, seems to be a bit like mines bigger than yours!
Haha "PAIN HAMBURGER". I didn't even see any French there until you mentioned! I presumed it would be a capsaicinoid-containing burger.
Reminds me of the Jay Leno's Headlines where there was a menu that said "HARMBURGER" on it. :P
"paracetamo-burger" now in shops!
They're so tough in the Canadian military, they eat pain hamburgers for dinner!
German: Rat Lied.
English: Advice song.
Pain Hamburger would be a good band name except maybe in France or Quebec or the like
The percentages in the nutritional info are percentages of a daily recommended amount. The recommended amount for saturated fat is lower than for fats in general, therefore you see a higher percentage.
Hey Clive.. I am in the Cdn Army. So, you can, and will eat them cold :) However, all vehicles have stoves + pressure cookers. Infantry are given flame-less ration heaters, although they don't come in the pack.
Thats quite disappointing compared to most other MREs containing some sort of heating.
Yeah, the flame-less heaters as well are literally just the US ones from MREs. I guess it was a logistical problem getting the 2 companies to work together.
From my understanding nearly all modern military mres are designed where it's fine to eat cold.
Now I'm sure somebody is gonna come up with some country that has a raw pork dish mre that must be cooked.
Years ago, the Canadian packs came with Heating tablets. They had no markings except for the word "Poison" on it..... many apocryphal stories of francophones going to the hospital. ;) Don't think its true but ya never know.
@@Stylemaster911 no, it just that we don't need them!! lol... Canadian soldier very rarely camp out in the jungle surrounded by guerilleros...
0:34 - That maze is just terrible... I couldn't find the way out!
ElmerFuddGun I couldn't find a way in.
And.... where's Wally?
@@oldbatwit5102 10 Downing Street
Let's get this out on a tray... nice!
3Triskellion3 nice hiss
Not bad...
Let's first start off... with that cereal.
mmmm this tastes like spray dried expresso mmmm nice a savoury
hhh yeah nice hiss mmm or... this paté has mmm some kind of metallic aftertaste...hhh
The PCP mis-speak totally got me. Laughed so hard!
The Frank's Hot Sauce is one of the less "hot" sauces. It's got a nice flavor and a bit if heat, but it's really not one of the mouth-scorching nasty sauces that make you wonder why you even opened the bottle as it leans in the direction of toxic waste.
I have a feeling the heat got reduced by the milk in the cereal though.
Probably wouldn't be half bad mixed in with the pork and beans.
Frank's Hot sauce on fried chicken wings...
Really is the original hot sauce for that purpose...not bad stuff for commercial hot sauce.
"I put that s*** on everything." - not my words, that's their advertising slogan. But in truth, it's not bad stuff as compared to some of the choices out there. Texas Pete's sauces are pretty good too.
Pain hamburger sounds like a rather...explicit maneuver...
Bun Pain...
pain pardue is even more extreme.
Thanks for this - grew up with these through the Canadian Cadet program. Are AMAZING, hard to come by these days since they're so popular! We always cooked the meals in giant pots full of water and used the cardboard sleeves to keep us from getting burned. Cheers!
PAIN HAMBURGER is a somewhat intimidating thing to find in your meal... :)
It's the manliest of burgers.... But disappointingly without hamburger.
Real men don't need meat in their burgers
That's how you describe the constipation after living off MREs for a weekend
Well they couldn’t afford the fancy equipment, so they either went the old you are what you eat route hoping the soldiers can dish out some pain hamburgers. Or decided to go the friendly Canadian humanitarian route and still bring the pain to the enemy?
I would love to see someone whip out an MRE like this while seated at a formal dinner seating on a cruise ship.
"Pardon me, but would you have any PCP drink?"
"But of course!"
We normally had our rations unheated as making a fire is not always wise.
If it is a sunny day, laying them out on a dark surface did some good. If we had a vehicle, then lots of heat was available.
Anyway, most military rations are formulated for cold "rough" meals.
I've heard stories about U.S. army soldiers frying eggs on the jet exhaust port of an M1 Abrams tank.
you used to be able to heat a pre-cooked meal on the exhaust manifold of a car and going for a drive. These days, I'm not sure if it still works.
@@lsswappedcessna Those stories come out of most desert campaigns. In WWII, troops were frying eggs on the top armor plates of their tanks, so I'm not surprised that continues on.
@@howlingwolven The Abrams also runs a gas turbine engine, of which are notorious heat machines. Jet exhaust is normally much hotter than regular piston exhaust (wankel exhaust shares this trait, but not at the extent of a gas turbine engine). Engine exhaust is normally around 1200 degrees Fahrenheit (which is why to this day, the two-stroke Saab's pistons being aluminum bugs me), wankel exhaust is around 1700 F as far as I could find, and the Abrams is in excess of 1700 F. Plenty of heat to get the armor panels around the exhaust port to at least 160 F, which is the temperature needed to properly cook an egg.
Comfort food we all remember from growing up. I remember as a kid growing up in Canada 45-60 years ago.Weiners and beans (frankfurters and beans) -- long time classic inexpensive Canadian lunch for kids. Take a few hotdog weiners, slice them up into 1 to 2 cm lengths, put in a sauce pan, add tin of beans, and heat to desired temperature stirring occasionally. Serve in a bowl with bread on the side, or serve on top of toast on a plate.
When making it from scratch it is good to heat it up and let it simmer on a low heat to let the flavours mix. Likewise in modern microwave, heat it up, let it sit for 5 minutes, heat it up again, and serve.
(Or course if it has all been sitting together in a pouch for a year the flavours will already be mixed.)
Baxters products are widely sold in Canada. IMP (Individual Meal Pack) rations used to be made by Reddi-Chef in Montreal, but they went out of business or they lost the contract. Then Wornick Foods in the US started making some of the main components of the IMPs (they also make a lot of the MRE packs for the US military) and then Baxters took over and started making the main menu portions of the IMPs.
I was addicted to the early 2000's BBQ sandwich US MRE's a decade ago. The Mc Donalds Mc Rib was nearly identical.
Whomever thought up the modern MRE's deserves a humanitarian award, they kept the morale of millions of troops just shy of mutiny!
They have vegetarian MREs now, too. The ravioli is good.
I ate chili mac for 3 days straight once.
I'm assuming that the troops got in the habit of packing a few extra condiments to get some more variety. More salt and pepper would make sense.
In the States that used to be called "beanie weenies".
Stop smirking, really, that's what we called it.
And yes, it's just cheap baked beans in tomato sauce with cut up cheap hot dogs.
From what I am told the flameless ration heaters are issued separately from the meals. Although that is now changing and the meals will also be packaged in plastic bags instead of the paper bags just like the US MREs
"tastes a bit appley must be down to the apple" good talk good talk 😀
and about the pears in syrup: "these resemble pears in syrup" :)
"apple flavouring"
_"kindly sent"_ is an understatement..
"How can you have any pudding when you dont eat your meat !"
You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!
Frank's Red Hot is a standard in the USA, it was what the main ingredient in the ORIGINAL (Anchor Bar) chicken wing sauce.
Just once Clive I wanna hear you say "alright let's get this out onto a tray... Nice"
Chessy Chicken Gran I understood this reference.
slipstreamjc I hope more than just the three of us did... Also, nice.
4 of us now.
nah... if he ever do that, i'll unsubscribe...
“Nice hiss”
You're watching this video, you see Clive eat, you pause the video about 6 minutes in, and you go for a snack. I know i did.
Lucky Bags for Adults! That's so true, I understand why I Like them so much now.
Quite the selection in there. I thought most came with a heating pack.
Served in the CF from 80 to 88,. Saw the conversion from canned field rations to boil in bag like this. At no time was there any way to cook the ration included. Coleman stoves were always used.
thats why they pack everything with fire starter ;)
@@joseph-mariopelerin7028 I've even seen the cardboard boxes used for the fire. (As in the big boxes they get shipped in)
Most with heater included are for when you need to do all stealthy (no smoke, no smells, etc)
Franks red hot is genuinely not hot - adds a little kick but definitely too much vinegar for my taste.
frollard "Too much vinegar", impossible ;)
if it was socially acceptable to drink vinegar I would do it
pickle chips, salt and vinegar chips, pickle juice, sour cremé I love it all
Hailing from the southwest US, I definitely do not consider Frank's Red Hot to be that hot either, but I do like the flavor of it.
You don't put that shit on everything?
franks red hot is really common breakfast hot sauce in the US its in every dinner ive ever gone to. good on eggs in hefty amounts.
Franks original is about as mild as it gets, adds as much if not more sour from the vinegar as it does heat from the cayenne peppers. Kinda meant to go with everything savoury and add a slight bit of kick.
I'm from Canada, my mom used to make us beans and weiners when were kids, very Canadian.
I think the MRE's should remind you a bit of home - so it looks like they got it right.
They’re fairly popular in the States, too.
Very frequently served up as a lunch or dinner item when I was growing up. I'm Canadian as well, and yes, you can't get any more Canadian than good old wieners and beans.
Frequent camping meal for me.. that and Habitant Avec Jambon :)
There are heater bags issued on the side. We keep them separate from the food to increase shelf life.
Desserts are usually eaten cold, except for the date squares (essentially a date pudding). They aren't very appetizing eaten cold.
Watching the self-heating sachets work is the best bit!
Spicy sauce can mask the flavor of good foods, but it can also mask the flavor of not so good foods and enhance the flavor of good foods if used appropriately.
Proper use of spicy sauce only *enhances* the flavour of the food it goes with, regardless of its quality.
Only Big Clive could consume an mre and somehow make it absolutely riveting. BIGCLIVE !
French canadian saying love your channel!
Oh man I LOVE Frank's Red Hot, I use it on eggs with breakfast. So great!
Honestly I think the matches are better than the chemical heaters, maybe slightly less optimal than the pop up stoves with fuel puck things, at least for survival anyway. Mainly because if you're somehow stranded if you have the chemical heaters you're pretty much screwed as far as fire goes unless you also have matches or a lighter, which a surprising amount of people never carry and almost no cars come standardly equipped with one and even if they do your dead battery nay very well be the reason you're stranded, rendering the lighter useless. On the other hand if you just have the MRE in your trunk, hiking bag, or whatever as a quick meal in case you end up out longer than expected or whatever you've got matches, therefore fire but then again still need water. The stove is like the perfect cross between the two imo since you don't need to find fuel for the fire, and it comes with a source for creating the fire and once your food is cooked you can knock the fuel thing off the stove and create a full fire easily without worrying about kindling or wasting your matches.
My friend is in the U.S.A.F. He does a lot of disaster response, and as part of that he got deployed to Puerto Rico after the hurricane (for a little while at least, they still are in bad shape down there.) They didn't eat rations all the time so they had some left over. He served them on movie night one week. They were pretty good.
I have eating lots of those. Your suppose to eat them inside the package. There is also some sealed bag not included with the rations that you put water and a chemical reaction occurs and then you put your aluminum sealed food package inside the bag to warm it up, very useful for -25 to -30 deg C during winter exercises. I do not miss them though.
Omg you have the best ration available! I love those beans and Weiner.
In U.S. terms- you've got: Franks & Beans, (hamburger shaped) bread, grape Gatorade (sports drink to replenish after exertion, potassium nitrate, salts, etc.) Frank's has a wonderful flavor, and is very medicinal. You could add the jam and fruit to the sports drink bag, 1/2 the bread, sugar packet, water. Knead it very well to a mash. 1 week later you'd have Hooch. Get soused, everybody's drunk, no war.
Frank's Red Hot. They have this tag line "I put that sh!t on anything" (! and all), and I do. They sell this buffalo sauce. Its thicker and a little milder. So good.
Clive we are just going to have to get you a MRE form the US Forces.. Also maybe a bottle of Franks Red Hot.
It really is mild when compared to some of the other stuff I happen to like.
Now if they only could come up with powdered Vodka.
They have "powdered alcohol" but it's a scam.
Sort of like Dehydrated drinking water.
Sean Not-telling
Yeh, just add water to rehydrate😆
If I recall correctly it was a 1:10 drop ratio. 10 being the water. For every drop of the Dehydrated Water
you get a supply of 11 drops to drink. Now you can stretch that out by going 1:20 but the water tastes a little thin. You can go the other direction and go 1:5 but that water might be a little strong for some people.
Heaven forbid you went 1:1
Wouldn't powdered vodka just be instant mashed potatoes plus time?
You've morphed into Ashens.
Nah, this one isn't decades beyond it's "best before" date.
Not quite, Clive hasn't yet tried opening a bottle of 180 year old olives ..... ua-cam.com/video/OepMwUZCQZc/v-deo.html
Nah, morphed into Steve1989, and that's OK.
Clive doesn't morph into people, he assimilates them
+Niko Andruloni well said !
"Beans and Wieners"
Canada in a nutshell, really.
Also lol at "Pain hamburger"
Ick. When I got out of the USAF, I swore off MRE’s and have no problems staying off them. This looks like the WWII/Korean war leftover MRE’s they gave us at Lackland AFB in the late 70’s when we had to go somewhere. They had a ton and were trying to get rid of all those old ones. The new ones in the dark plastic containers with the heat cells aren’t too bad but they’re still MRE’s and they will always have that odd iron/vitamin/plastic/gasoline taste. Mmmm goood....
Why is this so enjoyable to watch?
Fuckin' right you use the bun with the beans, toasted if/when you have a facility to. In a survival situation, I suppose I'd mix the jam into the protein drink.
Would have been funny if Clive had said "ok, let's get these on to a tray....nice!!" Lol
Baxters is a prominent funeral parlor where I come from and they were shut down for making MRE's and selling them to Canada, but I'm sure there's no relation. So how does Fred taste?
Herb was a cool guy too.
Beans and Franks
Baxter's is a brand of milk and dairy products where I live lol
4:35 I think it is 10g of fat total, which is 15% of the recomended daily value.
And of those 10g of fat, only 3g are saturated + 0.2 are trans, which is 16% of the daily value... yeah, it's a bit weird.
"This just needs vodka added too it"
Doesn't everything... 😏
Nothing says breakfast more than weiners and beans. I guess it's good to have them in the morning so the soldiers have exited the tents before the beans "kick in."
love your personality. mixes well with you intellect.
More of this kind of thing please.
Review the foreign ration packs that come from countries that Brits don't think much about.
I don't understand the fascination with long term storage food supplies, but everything Clive does is quite enjoyable.
Mark Severs Cambodian MRE?
Oh please no, Clive is excellent at electronics but watching someone else eat is not entertaining.
Cashpot you can close out of videos
Mark Severs not from afghanistan tho. hehe
The way the fat and saturated fat labels work is actually based on your recommended daily intake (for a 2000 cal diet). So the 15% means "This contains 15% of your daily recommended amount of fats." and the second number means "This contains 16% of your daily recommended saturated fat" which is also to say "This has about the recommended ratio of saturated fats to unsaturated fats"
Franks Red Hot is a Louisiana style red hot sauce, meaning its pepper powder, water, salt and vinegar. Its not really hot, its more salty/vinegar/peppery. Its wonderful in stews, soups, sammiches, and anything bean related. So, beans n wieners, Red Hot is a MUST for it!. :-D
Clive, get a bottle and try it on pizza or add it to your ketchup for dipping your chips in!!! SOOOO GOOD!!
"Whitener," for when the exposure on your coffee is simply too dark!
Oh my God, i knew a lot of people who worked for Ropack, we always had boxes full of stuff like those MRE. Makes me proud to be in Montréal.
Back in the early 90's a friend of mine in the Canadian Forces was stationed in Cyprus under the UN banner for a year. When he came home he brought a few MREs for us to try. One was labelled as "Western Omelette" but was more affectionately known as "Lung in a Bag". While it truly did look like a lung had been surgically removed and vacuum sealed in a bag I am 100% certain a real lung would have tasted truly wondrous compared to this thing that was being passed off as food. He told us stories of the guys he was stationed with gambling and betting their MREs instead of money and often when they lost they would be left with ONLY the western omelette left over as NO ONE would accept them as a wager. They'd actually freely give them away to the losers. Some guys went so far as to refuse to eat them and wound up in the infirmary after passing out from not eating for days in a row when all they had was "lung in a bag" to eat. My how things seem to have changed. :)
one of these times you'll have to try the mre cookie (pour coffee creamer & suger in one packet mix then light it on fire)
ASMR experience of the week: the sound of Clive masticating for one hour.
I just noticed that Jam is from Wing's Foods, which has near monopoly on the market for supplying sachets of Soy Sauce, Hot Sauce and Plumb Sauce to independent Chinese takeout places in pretty much all of southern Ontario that I've been to. Which I don't mind since I like their hot sauce.
Just imagine yourself in the middle of the Canadian mountains like the UA-camr "britishmuzzleloaders", walked a long way and absolutely starving then anything will taste great. I love spicy sauce by the way.
Tastes like pcp... Then in description says TCP... Tastes like transmission control protocol?
Pete Smith
Big improvement over the old ones that randomly tasted like IPX, AppleTalk, NetBEUI, etc. They were a pain... people had to sit in groups based on their drink flavour and couldn't talk to anyone else.
tin2001 haha don't forget SNA flavor for those who just wanted to talk to a mainframe and no one else
I thought of TCP as the antiseptic of the same name.
ROFL
Tom Cat Piss
that reminds me of the british ones we got when i was in cadets, they also werent self heating but they did come with a Yorkie bar
Most of the ingredients are from Canadian manufacturers package to Military standards. The last time I had the raisin/ grape drink it tasted like Welches grape juice. It is better than Tang which is rumored was a byproduct of dog food. The Canadian Armed Forces are expected to be intelligent enough to use a stove or find some other way of heating it if they wanted. the main thing about these ration packs are the meals are known ingredients to personal and they have a long shelf life.
I used to put this weird savory almost raisin tasting brownie on my burger at school... people thought I was crazy until they tried it... just like I put nacho cheese on my pizza.... amazing
If you're "in the field" and you have MREs in your pack, it's a fair bet you also have a canteen and a mess kit. Build a fire with the driest twigs you can find, boil some water in your tin cup, and choke down some food. In my experience, most things that go into MREs can also be eaten in their freeze-dried state (probably so you don't have to light a fire that would reveal your position to the enemy - remember these were engineered as war rations), but don't forget to drink some water with them as well or you'll dehydrate yourself trying to digest them.
That pack of sliced pears brought back memories of a pack of dehydrated pears I had when I was in the US Army. The flavor of those juices condensed into a freeze-dried brick knocked my socks off; best memory from any MRE.
That purple drink probably tastes purple, like NyQuil. It's one of those flavors that you never forget, and never really leaves your tongue. I can still taste the last dose I had in 1998.
Warren ... "franks and beans, franks and beans"!!
Pain bread. Oddly true.
The Beverage bag is used primarily as a field waterproof cell phone case.
Bigclive They are totally acceptable cold or hot and also work well with American chemical ration heaters.
redhot is one of the mild generic hot sauces, used with butter in buffalo wings for example. It is not of the blazing rectums variety.
Lived off them for a few years. You gotta try the ham and pineapple breakfast. And by the way the little desiccant package inside the loaf of bread always made us refer to it as "Do Not Eat" bread.
Franks RedHot is a good sauce. I've never found it *really* spicy except in bulk, but it's got a little burn to it.
Heh, MRE tasting, a great guise by Big Clive to get his subscribers to send him food, so that he doesn't have to do the shopping!
Love you man! your content is awesome!
I like the experience of you eating things nearly as much as I like the experience of me eating things. This must be how my dear old Granny felt feeding 8 year old me 4x kipling apple pies covered in angel delight.
They had small cubes of sterno cubes in the 70s labeled in English Poison and in French Poison.Poisson is French for fish.We heard a French Canadian soldier died thinking he was eating fish
50 years in Canada 🇨🇦 and I’ve never heard of Baxter
There's several ways to each the cook-able MREs. You can eat it cold as with anything. You can place it near a fire but not on it. If you happen to have access to a pot or pan, just fill the pot with whatever water you can get access to and throw the sealed pouch in it and boil it on top of a fire. I personally would just eat it cold though.
That does indeed look like the Baxters of Speyside logo on that pack of pear slices - I guess they must have a branch in Canada. It's pretty local to where I live so that logo is very familiar to me.
Subscribed for e bay stuff, stayed because MRE's are in my interests
For military use only.
Not for resale.
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I do like how the Canadian Combat Rations official facebook page posted this video on their feed
I 100% agree with the thing about sucking the jam.
I like that you used a glencairn glass for the drinks!
Thanks to Ralfy my brother being a whisky buff, there's an excess of them.
As someone who buys groceries in Canada, I can confirm that the package of beans is indeed saying that saturated fats make up 16% of the fat content [15%] of the beans and sausage (the same as you alluded to with the British system).
Where's Ralphy? You guys definitely make my favorite MRE proxy taste test duo!
you could put the jam in the museli if you want to use the bun for the main
"Let's not be subtle about it." Awesome...
For reference: "Baxters" is a large dairy provider in eastern Canada.
To explain the fat percentages, it's just that there are different recommended daily values for total fat and saturated fat. The 15% is for your total fat, saturated and non-saturated added together (it is a larger allowance in terms of grams as opposed to just saturated fat). The 16% coming from a saturated fat allowance will 'run out' first. So if you eat enough of these beans and wieners to cover 100% of your saturated fat, you will have 6.25% of your daily total fat allowance that you can use for non-saturated fats only. I hope that makes some kind of sense, I feel like I'm not explaining it very well.
pretty hilarious watching you search for new and original ways to describe a tin of sausage and beans.. :D (the smoked sausage infuses with the beans btw - imparting the 'hybrid' experience you were so absorbed in.) ;D
Not a bad MRE, eh?
Dwayne Wladyka no doot aboot it b'y. Keep yer stick on the ice!
Pretty good, eh? Certainly better than the ration packs I got when I was in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets (51st Squadron) in the late 1970s!
Oh yah, eh?
That fucking innuendo, though 😅
Not bad but could have used some kraft dinner eh, and maybe a jelly doughnut from timmy's to chase...take off you hosehead ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I like the "PAIN BURGER"
How can one top inflicting pain on the enemy?
Only by an enemy inflicting pain on his own soldiers.
I've always wandered when will you review food, cause you seriously gives Ashens vibe.
In WWII the French army rations had lots of lithium and bromine in them to keep the soldiers nice and calm so the officers could go out cavorting with their German mistresses. Soldiers on a high lithium/bromine diet will basically just sit and stare into space and don't need much babysitting.
It turned out not to be a good idea in the long run of course.
A man with tastes like mine. I've never considered "hot" to be a flavor, just a crutch used by uneducated, incompetent or simple lazy cooks.
A true cook can make a meal from almost anything. Remember the refrain "Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme"? One of our daughters was quite the kitchen chemist when she was in high school and we challenged her to create a chicken dish using those four seasonings. Her first try was acceptable; the second try was excellent.