The reel has 13 bearing. 12+1. There are 2 bearings in each handle knob.. really well made fishing machine. Tight tolerance in side plates, handle shaft bushing. I am amaze.
CNC bar stock frame and sideplate still doesn't make up for the rest of the engineering and quality of the internals, spool, braking design, and other pieces of refinement on the reel. The cost is still a bit high in comparison to made in Japan reels from the Two-Headed Dragon from the Land of The Rising Sun. It is a very kool concept and the frame/body/sideplate are the main selling points, still there isn't any data or information given on the gear cut, actual material grade of the gears, material of the spool, and actual design and application of the mag brakes. Take apart an OG Gen I Zillion or Swedish made Abu, and look at the internals, and you will find more quality metal in the components than most any reel today, even from current Daiwa/Shimano/Pure Fishing OEM Abu, and the frame while not CNC single bar stock is extremely rigid and strong. FWIW, the sideplate, if it doesn't bear any weight and torsional stress, doesn't need to be metal, so long as the set plate is metal. Still, a kudos to Bates, however this reel lacks true advancement and refinement on the internals, and even the basic design of the line guide material, IMO.
As a die hard JDM guy I agree this is not up to par. For me it is two fold. Cast control and price. I think your argument on internals is a bit off. I may conceded gears with cut and material. But all the other parts, are essentially identical. A Steez is plastic internals just the same. The biggest difference will be cast control. DAIWA SV is a game changer. Throwing spinnerbaits into the wind with zero fear.
@@otroflores91 Yes they do. I'm guessing, he wants ported for weight reduction and so water doesn't sit on the spool. I fish only saltwater and there are plenty of reports of people pulling off braid after sitting a while and the spools being pitted. A lot of people put Teflon tape (or more janky, electrical tape) down first to protect the spools.
The Salty 150 is especially smooth on the retrieve. The pinion gear has a super smooth surface and runs into the bearing. The Bates 150 is also smooth, but definitely the Salty is even more buttery. Both have 10+1 bearings so as long as your bearings are in good working order it will remain smooth.
@@fishing_reps thanks for the info! I’m use to the Shimano and daiwa smoothness and was curious how this compared. Have you had any on the water experience with it as of yet?
All made In America? Are there any bigger sizes like a 300? I need big , I fish for trophy river stripers I need line capacity and powerful drag, at least 25 lbs. The Allen screws are Def a nice touch
@@robcarey4189 I fish the 300-400 size reels in the ocean. 3oz is nothing especially compared to the older conventional reels I have used before. A few 10lb -15lb mahi mahi didn't faze my Lexa 300hd last week. Or my buddies 400 sized tranx.
The new Bates Hundo sports a unique centrifugal and magnetic braking system Bates calls the Matrix Braking System. You should take a look at the most recent Bates Hundo tear down video and our short.
All modern reels are identical. A $700 DAIWA Steez is all plastic inside too. The materials used do not mean it's inherently cheap. The biggest difference is going to be cast control braking.
@@Honks34 what about the design? It is a good looking reel. Clicking knobs. Anodized aluminum CNC frame like a Megabass Monoblock. So other than proprietary spool control, what design elements do you wish it had?
I keep seeing this. I'm Daiwa fan boy #1. BUT, there is essentially nothing different about the construction of this reel. Even a $700 Steez is made with the same plastic internals. Do some of you think that these ultra-lightweight reels are made of all metal? The biggest differences: - cast control - JDM - magnesium (not saltwater friendly)
The reel has 13 bearing. 12+1. There are 2 bearings in each handle knob.. really well made fishing machine. Tight tolerance in side plates, handle shaft bushing. I am amaze.
Super cool!
When will they start producing left hand retrieve versions?
Bates currently manufactures left handed options in every model except the Seaborn Salty 150. Lefties are in stores now.
pretty impressive Kevin !!
CNC bar stock frame and sideplate still doesn't make up for the rest of the engineering and quality of the internals, spool, braking design, and other pieces of refinement on the reel. The cost is still a bit high in comparison to made in Japan reels from the Two-Headed Dragon from the Land of The Rising Sun.
It is a very kool concept and the frame/body/sideplate are the main selling points, still there isn't any data or information given on the gear cut, actual material grade of the gears, material of the spool, and actual design and application of the mag brakes.
Take apart an OG Gen I Zillion or Swedish made Abu, and look at the internals, and you will find more quality metal in the components than most any reel today, even from current Daiwa/Shimano/Pure Fishing OEM Abu, and the frame while not CNC single bar stock is extremely rigid and strong. FWIW, the sideplate, if it doesn't bear any weight and torsional stress, doesn't need to be metal, so long as the set plate is metal.
Still, a kudos to Bates, however this reel lacks true advancement and refinement on the internals, and even the basic design of the line guide material, IMO.
As a die hard JDM guy I agree this is not up to par. For me it is two fold. Cast control and price.
I think your argument on internals is a bit off. I may conceded gears with cut and material.
But all the other parts, are essentially identical. A Steez is plastic internals just the same.
The biggest difference will be cast control. DAIWA SV is a game changer. Throwing spinnerbaits into the wind with zero fear.
@@robcarey4189 we would highly recommend looking into the new Bates Hundo. It has a different cast control system since this version's release.
Side note, any plans for a round reel from these folk??
This company is just getting started. They made the most difficult product first.🤯
Coach!
Look at Loongze round reels
Nice work Kevin! 🤙🏽
Thanks! 👍
I like it generally. But I hate the allen screws and since I will use it with braid in saltwater . i wish I could get it without the ported spool
Braid doesn't work on ported spools?
@@otroflores91 Yes they do. I'm guessing, he wants ported for weight reduction and so water doesn't sit on the spool. I fish only saltwater and there are plenty of reports of people pulling off braid after sitting a while and the spools being pitted. A lot of people put Teflon tape (or more janky, electrical tape) down first to protect the spools.
@@Drundel most places around here put the sports friction tape .
When will they make a lefty in the saltwater version
It's coming soon. There is definitely demand for the left handed Salty
How smooth is the reel compared to a daiwa or Shimano ? Any gearyness to the retrieve …
The Salty 150 is especially smooth on the retrieve. The pinion gear has a super smooth surface and runs into the bearing. The Bates 150 is also smooth, but definitely the Salty is even more buttery. Both have 10+1 bearings so as long as your bearings are in good working order it will remain smooth.
@@fishing_reps thanks for the info! I’m use to the Shimano and daiwa smoothness and was curious how this compared. Have you had any on the water experience with it as of yet?
@@rpl4eva29 we are definitely using them on the water. We have 2 months of use on a GOAT and have all the other models and are using and abusing them.
looking good.. go get em!
All made In America? Are there any bigger sizes like a 300? I need big , I fish for trophy river stripers I need line capacity and powerful drag, at least 25 lbs. The Allen screws are Def a nice touch
Hi there, they are currently manufactured overseas.
The chasis is cnc machined in taiwan. Maybe banax or doyo made this reel like doyo do whith abu garcia, lews, penn and so many others
What fish would you target with the seaborn reel?
Hey Aaron, the Seaborn reels are built tough for saltwater inshore species like spotted bay bass and all the way to redfish.
@@fishing_reps awesome 🤩
It's upside down :)
🙃 what do you mean?
Good
Rad!
Too expensive for the size. Would like to use one but Daiwa 300 or tranx is around the same price.
Both wight 3oz more... I sent my 300s back due to weight.
If you are bass fishing, 300 size reels are really overkill. Yes, even for swimbaits.
@@robcarey4189 I fish the 300-400 size reels in the ocean. 3oz is nothing especially compared to the older conventional reels I have used before. A few 10lb -15lb mahi mahi didn't faze my Lexa 300hd last week. Or my buddies 400 sized tranx.
Good quality...but the deciding factor in modern reels is casting control and braking.
DAIWA wins hands down all day long.
The new Bates Hundo sports a unique centrifugal and magnetic braking system Bates calls the Matrix Braking System. You should take a look at the most recent Bates Hundo tear down video and our short.
It has magnetic brakes not air brakes!
Yes you are right
Yeppers, "Air brake" is a Daiwa marketing jargon.
Yeah pretty basic. Any mid-level Abu is almost identical inside.
All modern reels are identical. A $700 DAIWA Steez is all plastic inside too. The materials used do not mean it's inherently cheap.
The biggest difference is going to be cast control braking.
I’m talking about design.
@@Honks34 what about the design? It is a good looking reel. Clicking knobs. Anodized aluminum CNC frame like a Megabass Monoblock.
So other than proprietary spool control, what design elements do you wish it had?
Like my first comment, basically identical to a low end Abu or Lews.
Other than the bar stock aluminum frame im not impressed a lot more plastic than I thought glad I watched this video i think im going to pass
The reel is 300$ for age old technology that’s a scammm
The CNC Barstock Aluminum frame is the first of it's kind for a low profile reels. That's not age old technology.
It is overpriced, but I wouldn't classify this product as a "scam"...that would be anything out of the mouths of politicians worldwide.
I keep seeing this. I'm Daiwa fan boy #1.
BUT, there is essentially nothing different about the construction of this reel.
Even a $700 Steez is made with the same plastic internals.
Do some of you think that these ultra-lightweight reels are made of all metal?
The biggest differences:
- cast control
- JDM
- magnesium (not saltwater friendly)