You forgot to say, that one of the most important parts, is the rider. You can have that Can-am with more HP and whatsoever but if you don't know how to ride it, anyone who knows how to ride will perform better on the CFmoto. I would say if you have extra money go for Can Am, if you don't go for CF. Both equally fun machines, it's not always about being fastest, it's the fun you experience while riding and you get that on both.
I imagine that viewers can relate to skill levels of riders or rider type... I just ride them hard within reason and to respect the units loaned to me. All in all, They are both great machines and I'm still surprised the CFORCE was that good in a back to back comparo... Muuuuuch better then the gen 1 cforce 800 was in every way
@@cheddarballs864 No no no my friend, they are not in the same league as the top 3 Japanese, not even close. As a person who's purchased over 20 ATV's over the past 40 years, i know a thing or two
@@dirtdog1171 good for you buddy. Being that they're the top selling atv in Canada over the top brands tells you something. I'm in all the cfmoto groups and there's people with 2015 cfmotos with thousands of miles on them.
@@cheddarballs864 Its simple my friend, the majority wants the cheapest option possible out there and CF Moto is doing it for them. Anything can have "miles" put on them, but in the end, quality will survives over a good "Deal"...
for the difference in price there is nothing wrong with the cf moto, if you just want to trail ride normally with your passenger its just fine, and comes much better equipped right out of the box. where i live in canada CF moto are everywhere and most people have good luck with them and really like them
One is assembled in Mexico/Canada, one is assembled in China, and both have parts from all over the world. Both can be fun, both can have issues. Comes down to personal preference.
That was a great video boys. Very honest and knowledgeable presentation. Thanks for all your information and now I’m a subscriber because I trust your opinion. Cheers boys!
just bought a 2022 grizzly a couple weeks ago. was going to buy a 2nd one but the dealer told me 23 model year only and +900. I explained gross margin percentage and how life works but the kid who I still havent met just told me "not happening"...now hes had a 23 model in stock for 2.5 weeks of a grizzly xtr (and dont get me wrong, I LOVE my grizzly XTR)...a friend has a cfmoto bike and I thought "oh hell, ill look at reviews etc." General rule of thumb, you take care of something, it takes care of you. HALF the price of a grizzly 700 basically with all of the same accessories. Will be buying that for my wife to fall off of instead of a Grizzly.
Yeah people think Polaris are USA ha ha just the frame and the engine with over the seas parts actually 150 different countries then assembled in the USA
My issue is the $700 valve check on the CFMOTO you have to get done at the dealer to keep warranty. 5 year warranty in Canada only. 1 year USA. My Polaris Ranger had 1year warranty and no valve check needed. I need longevity. Polaris and CanAm have that. I’ll watch for the next 10 years and see what happens with CFM. I will probably sell the quads by that time and move on to another SxS. May look at a UForce and see if I can get the Europe version with factory heat and air and full cab and compare with the Polaris Northstar. Still got my 95 and 2011 Kingquads tearing up the trails and Ranger working on the homestead.
@@ATVGUYS The performance for the CF is coming. Clutching is available already and ecu tuning set to be released shortly. I agree the Outlander is king, and I'd buy the Outty, but the CF is right there knocking on the door. I have a 600 CF Moto touring not a bad unit.
@@ATVGUYS Yes I get that, for a initial review just talking stock power etc and what machine comes like from the factory. I guess I was just getting at after a ecu flash and clutching you really close gap in performance to Can Am but still thousands cheaper even after paying for mods. Can Am still king but the gap is narrowing fast.
Fast forward to 2023, soon to be 2024, the CForce 800 XC (15 549 cad$) and the Canam Outlander Max XT-P (15 849 cad$) starting prices are pretty much the same. I don't see that 5k difference that some people are referring to while comparing apples with apples of course. So now that the prices are in the exact same range, would people still go for CFMoto? It's a legit question that I'm trying to answer myself for my next purchase.
Fyi. The can-am outlander max xt-p is 17949$ cad without shipping and prep The cforce 800 is 15549$ cad INCLUDING shipping and prep. Stick on an extra 1000$ on top of the can-am for that and the cfmoto is looking much more interesting isn’t it?
@@ATVGUYS Yeah I have not realized that prep/shipping/whatever is already included in CFMoto's price that's a good catch. However, I still see 15 849 cad$ starting price for the Outlander MAX XT-P according to Can-Am canadian website. Not sure where you are getting your 17949 cad$ from. So if we are only talking about the ~1k difference prep/shipping/whatever, it's kind of trivial for a vehicule I entend to keep for several years. I don't mean to argue here but the numbers I see on the website does not match yours so I'm a bit confused.
Excellent report thank you. And what about resale value? At $20,000 or more, it can become an important point. Do you think CFMoto will gain in ranks in the next few years?
It is getting better. Some dealers that refused to buy then as trade in are now snatching up used units at a decent price right now. They still have some ways to go but its getting there.
I lose all resale value by the time I'm done ragging one out to be honest! I have owned both the outlander and now the moto overland and I gotta say I didn't miss the little bit of power gain on the top end of the can am outlander, the moto is just as much bike in the mid range where most ride at and alot cheaper out the door also I gained the power difference back with a full pipe, race kit and clutch kit installed on my moto overland (all this upgrade is available at main street cycle here in the states) and still came in thousands cheaper than I paid for my last can am outlander with the moto retailing out the door cash price of 11,500 after freight and taxes but now have just as much power on demand!!!! as these motors catch traction with buyers its gonna be a competitive counter part as long as price stays where it's at because the power difference can be corrected for about $1500 putting the moto at 1,3000 with performance mods out the door aposed to 21,000 stock for the can am out the door and that is huge!!!! That is enough difference in price to buy your wife or kid a new cf moto 400 or 500 out the door along side a new moto overland
@@philipleblanc62 and the conclusion to your statement is exactly what I did. Now the wife has a beautiful and robust moto 600 touring that sits right next to the overland.
How much hp for 800rotax motor? Comparisson to CFM1000? I have outoander 800r but I wanna some with 2 people capacity or more 😅,idk how sell mine canam at what price
i rode my friends cforce and id take the can am any day of the week because the cforce just felt cheap and my friend is already hating his, its had a lot of problems and we've taken it trail riding 5 times
A very detailed and comprehensive overview, good job. I agree with your assessment overall, but I do have one correction. Can Am's Visco-Lok is not mechanical, it's a viscous fluid system. One of the front wheels has to spin before the other one will lock in place. Even with QE it sometimes takes several rotations before diff lock will engage. Sometimes it will engage quickly if both front wheels are on the ground with grip, but other times it is very unpredictable, especially with one wheel off the ground.
CF Moto reminds me of Hyundai, how they started off in the North American market and how they have improved. I still don't think I buy one but who knows in future.
@@DCSPORTSTER On that side of things the can-am frames once bent are totaled (I mean the backbone) I've tried to safe a few and they are an absolute pain to get straight with zero load.
Great stuff Marc. The Overland 1000 units here in Michigan are advertised as 79 hp. I wonder why the difference in hp numbers from here to where your at in Canada
@@rzl07375 apparently the US version uses the Bosch ignition system. I can't understand why there are so many differences between the US and Canadian specs.
CF MOTO has came a long ways in a hurry! I really like the styling of them, and i own a 2021 can am 1000XTP, and my Wife has a 2021 CFORCE 600. Its very comfortable to ride.
You actually own the absolute best Outlander out there Tim, the Outty still is the top dawg but those CFs are getting closer and closer. I just wish BRP would update their ATV lineup. UTVs get all the love these days.
I ride a 850 xmr and love it but I’m glad cfmoto is stepping up there game good competition is always great for the consumer will have to see what happens I no Segway is coming to play also but for now I’m gonna stick with can am
ZForce is 79hp CForce 1000 is 74 hp as per Cfmoto canada's website. I also thought it was 79. The Zfoce is on BOSH ECU and I've heard the it's running on a Delphi unit on the CForce 1000.
@@ATVGUYS just checked US website and CFORCE 1k Overland is 79hp with Bosch fuel injection. Maybe that was a change to the US model Overland vs the base CFORCE 1k in Canada.
The CF Moto is still a big investment to buy new, the issue i have is I see a lot of these for sale after one or two years for very reduced price, what does that say? I don't think they have the resale if you are someone that will turn over a machine after a few years, also if people are selling after a few years for a lot less, then there must be a reason they are willing to take a loss.
To be honest a stock for stock comparison should be The CF motor overland 1000 v/s the can am 850 as the numbers match better although I'm here in the states where the overland gets the same vtwin as the z950 with the 79 hp motor and over at main streetcycle in Mississippi you can upgrade the fuel/air with a race kit and also get a stage 2 clutch kit with a stiffer spring and different weights adding big power gains to the wheels and more mid range grunt these mods along with a perfomance more breathable pipe gives a cf moto 1000 true power to wheels comparable to the can am xmr 1000 for thousands cheaper and also adding to its resale value for those hobby riders that ride just enough to want the new best thing mine are usually ragged the f out by the time I upgade
Does anybody know where to get that aftermarket windshield for the CF moto CFORCE 1000 Overland? My dealership says it only fits the 600 is that right?
This is cf Moto testing the waters. Just like the can am the engine itself is capable of more then 100hp with a good build. So I foresee a few more inches of ground clearance and atleast 20 more hp in the next model for cf Moto. All the Chinese Maker's are making a huge step up in quality over the last 2 model years so I can only see them getting better. I love can am as a Canadian but cf Moto and polaris really are nipping at there heels at a slightly lower price tag.
ha ha ha good one. so they start with a not so good build to test the water and then throw a good build with 3 more hp than brp. please stay in your basement.
@@claudemarchand1196 I didn't say there next build would have more power then BRP. I said just like can am it's capable of more then 100hp. And yes all product lines test the waters then perfect there product. It's why cars are better and better ect. Every product goes thru product development over Time. The g1 outlanders did the same thing before they went to the g2s. Honda has done the same so has Polaris ect. They release a product and find ways to make it better for the next model. I'm sure they will be updating there 1000 overland units to have near the 90hp mark in the next lineup. And cf moto definitely is not a bad product. from what I can tell outselling Polaris and can am at thousands of dollars less.
I’ve been riding my cforce 1000 with a friends can am 650. Cforce is way faster in all ranges but when I get on the can am it feels like a better built machine. You can just tell.
CF 1000 has 800 class power when compared to Can Am and Polaris. Nor to mention quality. I looked at a CF. Switches felt cheap and low quality. Ended up buying a Can Am. You get what you pay for.
@@ATVGUYS Technically, yes. There is even a sticker that states this machine is for a single rider only. This in Reno, NV. They do sell a 2nd seat option. Wish it came stock.
Did I miss something....or wasn't there a price comparison? In the states the Overland is almost $3k less in price than the Outlander. That's quite a difference for a Prince versus a King. Would love to see a real performance/ride comparison between the Cforce 600 and the Outlander 570. I already know the results....I own a 21 cf600 and my bro in law owns a 21 Outlander 570. Its rather laughable....and my bro in law isn't doing much laughing. Another great review nonetheless ATV Guys.
@@canamdennis6829 that's not an accurate statement neither. I paid $4300 for a 2018 cforce 400. Had it 3 years and put 1800 miles on it. Sold it for $3500. I definitely put $800 worth of use on it. The other 2 cfmotos I owned I traded into my dealer and upgraded. A 2018 Uforce 500. I also owned for 3 years and put 2000 miles on it. Paid $8800 for it new. Traded it in to the dealer I purchased from and received $6800...$1200 above my payoff. Lastly...a 2021 cforce 500 purchased in May of 2021 because I needed a quad for the summer...preferred a cforce 600...but there were none available at my dealer. Paid $5799 for it. Put 500 miles on it....and traded it in on a cf600 in late August that same year. My dealer gave me $5300 for it. Best $500 depreciated fun I ever had on a machine. I didn't laugh during any of these transactions. It's an understanding...that nobody has intentions of purchasing a machine for anything other than to use and abuse. If you are buying multiple thousand dollar machines based on resale value....maybe you should seek another pastime. Here in the states...most of us purchase to ride...and doing so as affordable as we can...and to receive the biggest bang for the buck. On my 5th cfmoto machine.....none have failed me yet.
@@jimmydesperado2936 No kidding, thats some great advice, I buy to ride, not worrying about the resale. Im not going on the trails to be a banker out in the bush. lol
Can am Dennis if you have a resale value on one after owning it several years you didn't ride it hard enough as someone mentioned 3000 dollar difference haha not sure where they got those numbers from but an out the door price in the states for the can am outlander XMR 1000 is around 21000 aposed to the moto overland 1000 being 11,500 after dealer ,freight and taxes and about 1500 to 2000 to add a perfomance race kit clutch kit and pipe from an street cycle down in Mississippi putting power to the ground comparable to the can am with a total cost if you do the kits your self for the moto modded up at 13000- 13,500 when all said and done that's a huge difference for the same comfort and power but don't get me wrong before my moto I had an outlander and they are bad ass machines I just didn't want to drop 20k for a new one this go round and I'm glad I didn't
Cfmoto for the win in my opinion. So many features that cant be ignored when compared to the Bomb. You didn’t discuss the most important issue- the price! What is the price out the door of these exact machines?
CanAm Outlanders biggest failure points is the rear end aluminum support bracket under the storage box and the 3 engine mounts. Good luck replacing those as it's hell of a job. Can Am Outlander and Defenders electronic gauge cluster fails after x miles is reached. Outlander a arm bushings fail big time too.
The CF Moto is a nice-looking machine and probably okay for someone that rarely uses it or drives very conservatively. If you put them through any aggressive driving at all components will fail quickly. I have several friends that all tried these machines and all switched to Can Am after their short lived experiences with CF Moto.
i have to disagree on that one. i own a 2019 cforce 850xc. i abused it since the day i got it, not one thing has failed. one thing i dont do like most of you from the states, i dont go mudding, not that i dont like it, there just isnt places like what yous have compared to here in Romania. im extremely happy with my cfmoto but that extra power does sound nice on the can am 1000 ;) yes you can get a tune, clutch kit etc etc on cfmotos but don think they will gain 17hp to be right up there with can am
If the US site lists it at 79 they are listing the HP figures of the Z950 with the Bosh ECU, From my understanding the force 1000 has the Delphi units and put out less hp. I assumed the same thing as you did, same engine, same specs.... not! :)
It says it right on the CF moto America's website 79 horsepower for the overland so Canada is getting the shaft on horsepower Also actual power to ground comes in around 60 when put on a Dino I just had mine done right before I put in Main Street cycles Clutch kit and Performance race kit along with a full pipe Now I am reading somewhere around 73 horsepower to the ground Which is a bit more than a can am actually puts to the ground in stock form those hp numbers on all atvs is motor only not to the ground but a quick dyno can tell anyone what the actual numbers are
Try and sell one….. then come back and tell us how much money you saved. The BRP product will hold the 5000$ difference. Couple that with the horrid resale of the CF Moto. You will be out more than the 5 k bu a good margin
what i dont like is the idea of cf moto obliging you to do the first service at an unreasonable amount of money to keep a warranty that most likely you will have to argue when comes time to get it fixed .Sounds too much like lada was back in the day when i worked there
You are obligated to maintain the machine as per manufacturer specifications. There is NO law in Canada or the US that mandates you to get it done at the dealer. It a very important step to do though. CFMOTO uses mineral oils and if you are using your machine in winter conditions or extreme heat, you'd be better off doing the full oil change. The valve adjustments are very important to do as these tappet type driven valves have a tendency to move specially on the exhaust side and tighten up (no sound) making no idle no start conditions when really off. As long as the services are DOCUMENTED (invoices, receipts etc..) you'll have no problems getting the warranty work approved if something goes wrong.
I have a c force 600 and you don't have to take it back to keep your warranty, it depends on what dealer you talk to . I did my first service myself and no issues.
there is a cforce 1000 that has 85 horsepower and i'm pretty sure is lighter.. but idk how much lighter is then that model.... even so... it's 5k less XD
@@PowerSportsQuebec not really..I watched it all..but the biggest difference overall is price, warranty and speed..and he gave the win to can am...im sorry but I just don't see how speed makes an offroad quad better, even after he said the cf moto had better tires, higher clearance, adjustable shocks, better 4 wheel system for offroad use, and so on...all the bad things he could say about cfmoto was speed and its weight pretty much....yeah I still think this video was a load of bs...
Spot on reply. My cf625eps is a year old and hasn’t missed a beat. Used daily in all weather conditions I’ve broken others, some in hours (cough, cough Suzuki) 😜
@@mr_4point681 all the materials are of better quality and there is a price tag for that. the guy know what he is talking about. you keep picking your nose in your parent's basement.
Or you want something that will last more than a couple seasons. I hate to say that. They are popular overseas and some have over 30k miles of hard abuse. They are also partnered with KTM for engines so they must be doing something right.
You forgot to say, that one of the most important parts, is the rider. You can have that Can-am with more HP and whatsoever but if you don't know how to ride it, anyone who knows how to ride will perform better on the CFmoto. I would say if you have extra money go for Can Am, if you don't go for CF. Both equally fun machines, it's not always about being fastest, it's the fun you experience while riding and you get that on both.
I imagine that viewers can relate to skill levels of riders or rider type... I just ride them hard within reason and to respect the units loaned to me.
All in all, They are both great machines and I'm still surprised the CFORCE was that good in a back to back comparo... Muuuuuch better then the gen 1 cforce 800 was in every way
WELL SAID!!! ALL ABOUT THE FUN!!
While true and I know bc I’ve beat guys on 1000xxc while I’m riding a Honda 420 but I sure do love my 1000xxc bc I wanted more speed
For $5k less, I’ll take the cforce all day long.
CF is cheap, there is a reason for that...
@@dirtdog1171 and they perform and last just like every other brand.
@@cheddarballs864 No no no my friend, they are not in the same league as the top 3 Japanese, not even close. As a person who's purchased over 20 ATV's over the past 40 years, i know a thing or two
@@dirtdog1171 good for you buddy. Being that they're the top selling atv in Canada over the top brands tells you something. I'm in all the cfmoto groups and there's people with 2015 cfmotos with thousands of miles on them.
@@cheddarballs864 Its simple my friend, the majority wants the cheapest option possible out there and CF Moto is doing it for them. Anything can have "miles" put on them, but in the end, quality will survives over a good "Deal"...
for the difference in price there is nothing wrong with the cf moto, if you just want to trail ride normally with your passenger its just fine, and comes much better equipped right out of the box. where i live in canada CF moto are everywhere and most people have good luck with them and really like them
One is assembled in Mexico/Canada, one is assembled in China, and both have parts from all over the world. Both can be fun, both can have issues. Comes down to personal preference.
That was a great video boys. Very honest and knowledgeable presentation. Thanks for all your information and now I’m a subscriber because I trust your opinion. Cheers boys!
Why thanks a bunch! I do try to call it like I see it. You know the secret? I have fun doin' it.
I can't get over the premium you pay for a 6 month warranty....
cfmoto 1000eps 2023 or canam outlander 1000 2014 its to hard to choise to buy,whit whic one to go
just bought a 2022 grizzly a couple weeks ago.
was going to buy a 2nd one but the dealer told me 23 model year only and +900. I explained gross margin percentage and how life works but the kid who I still havent met just told me "not happening"...now hes had a 23 model in stock for 2.5 weeks of a grizzly xtr (and dont get me wrong, I LOVE my grizzly XTR)...a friend has a cfmoto bike and I thought "oh hell, ill look at reviews etc."
General rule of thumb, you take care of something, it takes care of you.
HALF the price of a grizzly 700 basically with all of the same accessories.
Will be buying that for my wife to fall off of instead of a Grizzly.
I'm more interested in which is going to have the least amount of problems 1-2 years down the trail.
Yeah people think Polaris are USA ha ha just the frame and the engine with over the seas parts actually 150 different countries then assembled in the USA
Do you plan on doing a review of the gen3?
My issue is the $700 valve check on the CFMOTO you have to get done at the dealer to keep warranty. 5 year warranty in Canada only. 1 year USA. My Polaris Ranger had 1year warranty and no valve check needed. I need longevity. Polaris and CanAm have that. I’ll watch for the next 10 years and see what happens with CFM. I will probably sell the quads by that time and move on to another SxS. May look at a UForce and see if I can get the Europe version with factory heat and air and full cab and compare with the Polaris Northstar. Still got my 95 and 2011 Kingquads tearing up the trails and Ranger working on the homestead.
My valve check was 220 for the Overland 1000
cfmoto has come a long way and now they are the best bang for your buck in the industry with their long warranties
The cfmoto is a beautiful machine to me
Like I said in the review, I like the CFORCE 1000, it's only lacking behind on brute performance.
@@ATVGUYS The performance for the CF is coming. Clutching is available already and ecu tuning set to be released shortly. I agree the Outlander is king, and I'd buy the Outty, but the CF is right there knocking on the door. I have a 600 CF Moto touring not a bad unit.
@@rzl07375 I can already refresh cfmoto emus both Delphi and bosh. When I review machines I only talk about stock power.
@@ATVGUYS Yes I get that, for a initial review just talking stock power etc and what machine comes like from the factory. I guess I was just getting at after a ecu flash and clutching you really close gap in performance to Can Am but still thousands cheaper even after paying for mods. Can Am still king but the gap is narrowing fast.
@@rzl07375 Glad to see we agree! :)
Fast forward to 2023, soon to be 2024, the CForce 800 XC (15 549 cad$) and the Canam Outlander Max XT-P (15 849 cad$) starting prices are pretty much the same. I don't see that 5k difference that some people are referring to while comparing apples with apples of course. So now that the prices are in the exact same range, would people still go for CFMoto? It's a legit question that I'm trying to answer myself for my next purchase.
Fyi. The can-am outlander max xt-p is 17949$ cad without shipping and prep
The cforce 800 is 15549$ cad INCLUDING shipping and prep.
Stick on an extra 1000$ on top of the can-am for that and the cfmoto is looking much more interesting isn’t it?
@@ATVGUYS Yeah I have not realized that prep/shipping/whatever is already included in CFMoto's price that's a good catch.
However, I still see 15 849 cad$ starting price for the Outlander MAX XT-P according to Can-Am canadian website. Not sure where you are getting your 17949 cad$ from. So if we are only talking about the ~1k difference prep/shipping/whatever, it's kind of trivial for a vehicule I entend to keep for several years.
I don't mean to argue here but the numbers I see on the website does not match yours so I'm a bit confused.
In the end you get what you pay for. Spend more in the beginning or upgrade clutch and such for the C Force later ?
Talked about everything except price, there a difference there to that can make or break a decision
Current pricing was clearly shown in the video....
Excellent report thank you. And what about resale value? At $20,000 or more, it can become an important point. Do you think CFMoto will gain in ranks in the next few years?
It is getting better. Some dealers that refused to buy then as trade in are now snatching up used units at a decent price right now. They still have some ways to go but its getting there.
I lose all resale value by the time I'm done ragging one out to be honest! I have owned both the outlander and now the moto overland and I gotta say I didn't miss the little bit of power gain on the top end of the can am outlander, the moto is just as much bike in the mid range where most ride at and alot cheaper out the door also I gained the power difference back with a full pipe, race kit and clutch kit installed on my moto overland (all this upgrade is available at main street cycle here in the states) and still came in thousands cheaper than I paid for my last can am outlander with the moto retailing out the door cash price of 11,500 after freight and taxes but now have just as much power on demand!!!! as these motors catch traction with buyers its gonna be a competitive counter part as long as price stays where it's at because the power difference can be corrected for about $1500 putting the moto at 1,3000 with performance mods out the door aposed to 21,000 stock for the can am out the door and that is huge!!!! That is enough difference in price to buy your wife or kid a new cf moto 400 or 500 out the door along side a new moto overland
I didn’t buy my atv to sell it.
@@philipleblanc62 and the conclusion to your statement is exactly what I did. Now the wife has a beautiful and robust moto 600 touring that sits right next to the overland.
12k. 8k used. Tax
How much hp for 800rotax motor? Comparisson to CFM1000? I have outoander 800r but I wanna some with 2 people capacity or more 😅,idk how sell mine canam at what price
i rode my friends cforce and id take the can am any day of the week because the cforce just felt cheap and my friend is already hating his, its had a lot of problems and we've taken it trail riding 5 times
A very detailed and comprehensive overview, good job. I agree with your assessment overall, but I do have one correction. Can Am's Visco-Lok is not mechanical, it's a viscous fluid system. One of the front wheels has to spin before the other one will lock in place. Even with QE it sometimes takes several rotations before diff lock will engage. Sometimes it will engage quickly if both front wheels are on the ground with grip, but other times it is very unpredictable, especially with one wheel off the ground.
I repaired can-ams for a living.. slip of the tongue
CF Moto reminds me of Hyundai, how they started off in the North American market and how they have improved. I still don't think I buy one but who knows in future.
I just said this to wife as we left cfmoto dealership
CFMOTO weighs more. That just means it has a lot more metal which to me translates better built.
Different frame desing. The cf is a ladder type and the can-am is a torsion extrusion.
@@PowerSportsQuebec i’ll still take the one with the more metal easier to fix for me if there ever is a problem.
@@DCSPORTSTER On that side of things the can-am frames once bent are totaled (I mean the backbone) I've tried to safe a few and they are an absolute pain to get straight with zero load.
thats right. you gonna have more metal to sell to the scrapyard with your chinese junk. please stop commenting if you know nothing.
My CForce 800 hits 73 mph and is super smooth and great on the rocky terrain I ride on
Great stuff Marc. The Overland 1000 units here in Michigan are advertised as 79 hp. I wonder why the difference in hp numbers from here to where your at in Canada
I've wondered the same thing
@@jwyoungy Never really did find a straight answer about this.
@@rzl07375 apparently the US version uses the Bosch ignition system. I can't understand why there are so many differences between the US and Canadian specs.
2022 cforce 1000 as 80hp for canada and comes with 27" tire instead of 26". The 2021 as 74hp et 26" tire for canada market
CF MOTO has came a long ways in a hurry! I really like the styling of them, and i own a 2021 can am 1000XTP, and my Wife has a 2021 CFORCE 600. Its very comfortable to ride.
You actually own the absolute best Outlander out there Tim, the Outty still is the top dawg but those CFs are getting closer and closer. I just wish BRP would update their ATV lineup. UTVs get all the love these days.
I ride a 850 xmr and love it but I’m glad cfmoto is stepping up there game good competition is always great for the consumer will have to see what happens I no Segway is coming to play also but for now I’m gonna stick with can am
Wise words! No you got it exactly on the nose!
I thought the CFORCE is a 79 hp engine. I have an Overland 1k and that’s what it’s rated at.
ZForce is 79hp CForce 1000 is 74 hp as per Cfmoto canada's website. I also thought it was 79. The Zfoce is on BOSH ECU and I've heard the it's running on a Delphi unit on the CForce 1000.
@@ATVGUYS just checked US website and CFORCE 1k Overland is 79hp with Bosch fuel injection. Maybe that was a change to the US model Overland vs the base CFORCE 1k in Canada.
Still down on HP vs the Outlander though by a fair bit.
@@xgumbix1 www.cfmoto.ca/en/models/cforce-atv/cforce-1000-eps-lx/. these are the listed specs. :(
@@xgumbix1 Well that sux! I hate the Delphi ECU...
The CF Moto is still a big investment to buy new, the issue i have is I see a lot of these for sale after one or two years for very reduced price, what does that say? I don't think they have the resale if you are someone that will turn over a machine after a few years, also if people are selling after a few years for a lot less, then there must be a reason they are willing to take a loss.
Which is better for a track set up?
Hand down the Can-Am.
Hi guys I have the new cf cforce 850xc same size as the 1000, where can I buy that wind shield from ??
The 1up can am 2up depends
Great revive , THX . Can you do CF Moto 625 VS Can Am Outlander 650
To be honest a stock for stock comparison should be The CF motor overland 1000 v/s the can am 850 as the numbers match better although I'm here in the states where the overland gets the same vtwin as the z950 with the 79 hp motor and over at main streetcycle in Mississippi you can upgrade the fuel/air with a race kit and also get a stage 2 clutch kit with a stiffer spring and different weights adding big power gains to the wheels and more mid range grunt these mods along with a perfomance more breathable pipe gives a cf moto 1000 true power to wheels comparable to the can am xmr 1000 for thousands cheaper and also adding to its resale value for those hobby riders that ride just enough to want the new best thing mine are usually ragged the f out by the time I upgade
1000cc class against 1000 cc class or it's a biased review in my opinion.
You need to do a review on the 2022cforce
Does anybody know where to get that aftermarket windshield for the CF moto CFORCE 1000 Overland? My dealership says it only fits the 600 is that right?
Looking at cfmoto's and polaris' websites, the cfmoto starts at $9,999 and the polaris starts at $15,499 for the 2022 model year. This is for the US.
Where is CF moto made how is it with reliability?
This is cf Moto testing the waters. Just like the can am the engine itself is capable of more then 100hp with a good build. So I foresee a few more inches of ground clearance and atleast 20 more hp in the next model for cf Moto.
All the Chinese Maker's are making a huge step up in quality over the last 2 model years so I can only see them getting better. I love can am as a Canadian but cf Moto and polaris really are nipping at there heels at a slightly lower price tag.
ha ha ha good one. so they start with a not so good build to test the water and then throw a good build with 3 more hp than brp. please stay in your basement.
@@claudemarchand1196 I didn't say there next build would have more power then BRP. I said just like can am it's capable of more then 100hp.
And yes all product lines test the waters then perfect there product. It's why cars are better and better ect. Every product goes thru product development over Time.
The g1 outlanders did the same thing before they went to the g2s. Honda has done the same so has Polaris ect.
They release a product and find ways to make it better for the next model.
I'm sure they will be updating there 1000 overland units to have near the 90hp mark in the next lineup.
And cf moto definitely is not a bad product. from what I can tell outselling Polaris and can am at thousands of dollars less.
You should of compared the price!
good comparison but you forgot to mention price difference
I’ve been riding my cforce 1000 with a friends can am 650. Cforce is way faster in all ranges but when I get on the can am it feels like a better built machine. You can just tell.
Bit of a difference in hp between those two units
@@mattsimmons1971 I kind of expected the 650 to be faster 0-25 or 30mph.
It’s less hp but it’s 250 lbs lighter.
Wasn’t the case. Hp still won.
Agreed
@@evanolssn I meant 650. I believe it’s better tha the can am 800. Can am 1000 takes it. But it’s cheaper than can am 650
I've got outlander max 100r xtp,2 up with xtp tires & fox shocks the things is an animal
Cfmoto easy winner, 14k vs 10k but that same package and the can am for 14k is not offering many extras for that price point.
CF 1000 has 800 class power when compared to Can Am and Polaris. Nor to mention quality. I looked at a CF. Switches felt cheap and low quality. Ended up buying a Can Am. You get what you pay for.
Where can I get a back seat for the cfmoto 1000?
It comes with a rear seat... did you lose yours?
@@ATVGUYS Not in the USA. At least not at any dealers on the west coast.
@@ronpage101 Then you bought a single seater? They dont make a 1000cc single seater, at least not here.
@@ATVGUYS Technically, yes. There is even a sticker that states this machine is for a single rider only. This in Reno, NV. They do sell a 2nd seat option. Wish it came stock.
@@ATVGUYS cfmoto 1000 in the states doesn't come with a second seat. All compartments with option to get a seat
2 of the most popular? Polaris and Can-Am are the 2 most popular. I've yet to see a cforce or any cfmoto in person.
How is the turning radius for tight trails?
The Can-Am still rules with authority on that point but the CFmoto is getting muuuuuch better but still, room for improvement.
Did I miss something....or wasn't there a price comparison? In the states the Overland is almost $3k less in price than the Outlander. That's quite a difference for a Prince versus a King. Would love to see a real performance/ride comparison between the Cforce 600 and the Outlander 570. I already know the results....I own a 21 cf600 and my bro in law owns a 21 Outlander 570. Its rather laughable....and my bro in law isn't doing much laughing. Another great review nonetheless ATV Guys.
Ya but the cf moto is worth nothing when it comes to selling it nothing worst resale of any atv on the market
@@canamdennis6829 that's not an accurate statement neither. I paid $4300 for a 2018 cforce 400. Had it 3 years and put 1800 miles on it. Sold it for $3500. I definitely put $800 worth of use on it. The other 2 cfmotos I owned I traded into my dealer and upgraded. A 2018 Uforce 500. I also owned for 3 years and put 2000 miles on it. Paid $8800 for it new. Traded it in to the dealer I purchased from and received $6800...$1200 above my payoff. Lastly...a 2021 cforce 500 purchased in May of 2021 because I needed a quad for the summer...preferred a cforce 600...but there were none available at my dealer. Paid $5799 for it. Put 500 miles on it....and traded it in on a cf600 in late August that same year. My dealer gave me $5300 for it. Best $500 depreciated fun I ever had on a machine. I didn't laugh during any of these transactions. It's an understanding...that nobody has intentions of purchasing a machine for anything other than to use and abuse. If you are buying multiple thousand dollar machines based on resale value....maybe you should seek another pastime. Here in the states...most of us purchase to ride...and doing so as affordable as we can...and to receive the biggest bang for the buck. On my 5th cfmoto machine.....none have failed me yet.
Yup pricing was shown, its in there! :)
@@jimmydesperado2936 No kidding, thats some great advice, I buy to ride, not worrying about the resale. Im not going on the trails to be a banker out in the bush. lol
Can am Dennis if you have a resale value on one after owning it several years you didn't ride it hard enough as someone mentioned 3000 dollar difference haha not sure where they got those numbers from but an out the door price in the states for the can am outlander XMR 1000 is around 21000 aposed to the moto overland 1000 being 11,500 after dealer ,freight and taxes and about 1500 to 2000 to add a perfomance race kit clutch kit and pipe from an street cycle down in Mississippi putting power to the ground comparable to the can am with a total cost if you do the kits your self for the moto modded up at 13000- 13,500 when all said and done that's a huge difference for the same comfort and power but don't get me wrong before my moto I had an outlander and they are bad ass machines I just didn't want to drop 20k for a new one this go round and I'm glad I didn't
Rotax is likely back dooring those engines for CF ….so BRP probably still makes $ out ok
KTM is actually involved in the CFMoto engines
Cfmoto for the win in my opinion. So many features that cant be ignored when compared to the Bomb. You didn’t discuss the most important issue- the price! What is the price out the door of these exact machines?
CanAm Outlanders biggest failure points is the rear end aluminum support bracket under the storage box and the 3 engine mounts.
Good luck replacing those as it's hell of a job.
Can Am Outlander and Defenders electronic gauge cluster fails after x miles is reached.
Outlander a arm bushings fail big time too.
The can am 850 is closer in bhp and price to the cfmoto
The CF Moto is a nice-looking machine and probably okay for someone that rarely uses it or drives very conservatively. If you put them through any aggressive driving at all components will fail quickly. I have several friends that all tried these machines and all switched to Can Am after their short lived experiences with CF Moto.
i have to disagree on that one. i own a 2019 cforce 850xc. i abused it since the day i got it, not one thing has failed. one thing i dont do like most of you from the states, i dont go mudding, not that i dont like it, there just isnt places like what yous have compared to here in Romania. im extremely happy with my cfmoto but that extra power does sound nice on the can am 1000 ;) yes you can get a tune, clutch kit etc etc on cfmotos but don think they will gain 17hp to be right up there with can am
the overland 1000 2023 is a durable machine and stronger than the original 1000 with 81hp
great video! id still choose the outlander as well
In Sweden, i new CF motor for 7000 dollar and 15 yeras old can am for the same price. What shuld i do 😅
Your getting different specs than we get in the states for the cf moto.
Here it’s listed at 79 hp
I know the Canadian cf motos come with mirrors and functioning turn signals which we don’t get. I wonder if something else could be different
Yeah we have different EFI in the states. Not sure why.
If the US site lists it at 79 they are listing the HP figures of the Z950 with the Bosh ECU, From my understanding the force 1000 has the Delphi units and put out less hp. I assumed the same thing as you did, same engine, same specs.... not! :)
@@ATVGUYS in EU C-force 1000 model has 86hp from the factory.
It says it right on the CF moto America's website 79 horsepower for the overland so Canada is getting the shaft on horsepower Also actual power to ground comes in around 60 when put on a Dino I just had mine done right before I put in Main Street cycles Clutch kit and Performance race kit along with a full pipe Now I am reading somewhere around 73 horsepower to the ground Which is a bit more than a can am actually puts to the ground in stock form those hp numbers on all atvs is motor only not to the ground but a quick dyno can tell anyone what the actual numbers are
Try and sell one….. then come back and tell us how much money you saved. The BRP product will hold the 5000$ difference. Couple that with the horrid resale of the CF Moto. You will be out more than the 5 k bu a good margin
A 2023 cforce have 85hp
Probably be a good review if you could understand the guy
cmon, just look at the 2023 cforce overland 1000 midnight camo💥
its same,just different acessories
It's also 10 grand difference between the 2 here I canada so you can't really compare the 2. The fact that you are means the cfmoto wins hands down.
what i dont like is the idea of cf moto obliging you to do the first service at an unreasonable amount of money to keep a warranty that most likely you will have to argue when comes time to get it fixed .Sounds too much like lada was back in the day when i worked there
You are obligated to maintain the machine as per manufacturer specifications. There is NO law in Canada or the US that mandates you to get it done at the dealer. It a very important step to do though. CFMOTO uses mineral oils and if you are using your machine in winter conditions or extreme heat, you'd be better off doing the full oil change. The valve adjustments are very important to do as these tappet type driven valves have a tendency to move specially on the exhaust side and tighten up (no sound) making no idle no start conditions when really off.
As long as the services are DOCUMENTED (invoices, receipts etc..) you'll have no problems getting the warranty work approved if something goes wrong.
I have a c force 600 and you don't have to take it back to keep your warranty, it depends on what dealer you talk to . I did my first service myself and no issues.
That looks like the 850 outlander 2021
base better 850 not two up heavy or a rkyer
there is a cforce 1000 that has 85 horsepower and i'm pretty sure is lighter.. but idk how much lighter is then that model.... even so... it's 5k less XD
Lol he didn’t say the price cfmoto smokes can am in price
But you pay for performance and build. All around.
Might be cheaper than the Can-Am 1000 but it compares closer to the 850 which still beats it.
Good Review! Well done..Can Am for me...i will pay for quality-plus i want the power.
I prefer cfmoto bc in 2023 the 1000 have 85p
Ps I’m a can am man
brute force is best but nice
So the can-am won because it's faster?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣...what a load of bs...
Sooooo, um... you just skipped to the end eh? Oh well...
@@PowerSportsQuebec not really..I watched it all..but the biggest difference overall is price, warranty and speed..and he gave the win to can am...im sorry but I just don't see how speed makes an offroad quad better, even after he said the cf moto had better tires, higher clearance, adjustable shocks, better 4 wheel system for offroad use, and so on...all the bad things he could say about cfmoto was speed and its weight pretty much....yeah I still think this video was a load of bs...
Spot on reply. My cf625eps is a year old and hasn’t missed a beat. Used daily in all weather conditions I’ve broken others, some in hours (cough, cough Suzuki) 😜
@@mr_4point681 all the materials are of better quality and there is a price tag for that. the guy know what he is talking about. you keep picking your nose in your parent's basement.
Thousand cc engine but it’s only got 73 hp that’s sad that’s Chinese for you
Hope you don’t want to get rid of the c force! Who is going to want a used Chinese machine? Im not interested in a new Chinese machine!
It’s like going to pep boys to buy an ATV!
cf moto is more after, parts and belts and valves adjust.
How so? I have not had to buy any parts and my valve check was 220. So out the door with a 60" moose plow kit I was at 12600
A clear winner?
Did you actually listen to yourself? 🤪
#BallsOut 😄😄🤣😊👍
my 05 brute weights 605 n spanks those
It’s not beating the Outlander bud 🙄😂😂
You buy a cf moto when you can’t afford a can am
Pretty much
Or you want something that will last more than a couple seasons. I hate to say that. They are popular overseas and some have over 30k miles of hard abuse. They are also partnered with KTM for engines so they must be doing something right.
@@27Zangle 🤫
and when you want a better warranty and a better ride and a better price and and and.... see
Lmao it does all the same shit. If you wanna be some brand prude, go ahead and dish out an extra 5k.
ATV's are stupid. My mopeds got way more power.
Then, don't buy any... or come and race me and eat my dust. lol! To each his own Jay,
This comparison wasn't even required, people that want cheap ATV's will pay for it in the long run 100%
Cf is nothing more than a cheap knock off just like all the Chinese dirt bikes . Don’t fall for it. Buy a Honda lol
You can't compare Chinese Junk to Can-Am. Video not worth watching!!!
Then, don’t watch it and go on your merry way.
@@PowerSportsQuebec he didn't watch it, he just read the title, wrote his comment and left.
Reason i choose can am over cfmoto easy cfmoto originated in china can am in canada
😂😂😂😂😂It's really what you're comparing... Chinese bucket with can amom