As dumb as it sounds, that during the flood, millions of individuals of each species of mosasaur swam to this area and popped all of their teeth out then swam out to make room for millions of individuals from the next species to swim in and pop out all of their teeth... as dumb as it sounds, young earth creationists would tell you that is exactly what happened.
I would love to see you do one of these on the cliffs of Dover. Specifically trying to calculate approximately how much algae it would take to produce chalk deposits that thick in the time frame flood geologists give for deposition.
Dr. Duff, i saw an article on the American bison. It stated that in the 1500's there were from 30 to 60 million living in North America. Within the article was an 1870 picture of a 20 foot high mound of bison skulls waiting to be ground up for fertilizer. Maybe there was a catastophic burial event in Morroco? Also, i have read that bone meal is high in phosphorus, interesting, yes? This comment is an add on to my previous one. Thanks again.
Sidebar: Sorry for busting in on the bandwidth Joel; but they just (reported in Wash Post) made a dark eyed mouse from tweaked stem cells of a choanoflagellate. I expect the "explosion" from Ken Ham any moment now!
Many creationists explain the formation of Cretaceous chalk beds (requiring calm conditions) by calling that the post flood boundary. So, maybe they’d say Mosasaurs were swimming around after the flood, dropping teeth there.
Well not real sure about all that but I do have to point out the finding of soft tissue proteins in fossils dating from 65 to 500 million years. The problem with that is there is absolutely no mechanism for soft tissue to last into deep time. Forensics science proves that beyond a doubt. So there is a big problem with dating methods as they cannot possibly explain how so much soft tissue has been found in fossils from all the different strata.
@@vikingskuld Hello! :) How has forensic science proved that without a doubt? You might be thinking of the study that showed collagen fibers breaking down _at boiling temperature,_ which may not show anything for those at lower temperatures. Also, not long after Mary Schweitzer discovered the first scraps of dinosaur soft tissue, she released a second paper showing an iron-based preservation method. Are you familiar with that? :)
@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke yes I read Mary paper I found it rather disturbing you can actually call it science. As well there has been no known finds of soft tissue that show any kind of cross linking from Iron. Proteins break down period. Oxygen or no oxygen, Temps pretty much the same they break down. You can slow them a little but they still break down. That's not even debatable, there was a guy I forget who it was but he even wrote a paper stating something like there would only be .001 % of collagen left by about 700,000 years. So yes there is a huge problem for dating those layers with them finding soft tissue. There has been a lot of information done about how corpses break down and how the different Proteins also break down. Collagen is pretty tuff stuff but it's not going to last some 66 million years. I mean seriously you can't even imagine a million years of generations and all that time span. So to find soft tissue but claim it's so old when we already know how fast the Proteins break down is a problem.
@@vikingskuldwell, AKSHUALLY - they have determined how that could happen. You need to keep reading actual science books instead of spouting tired old creationist talking points that have been debunked thousands of times.
Dr. Duff, here's comment #4. There were over 100,000 people at the Michigan v. Ohio State football game Saturday. If 25,000 mosasaurs (that's about 1,000,000 teeth if each mosasaur had 40) died catastophically in one day in a flood in Morroco, well, what do you think?
I am hearing that bones have a lot of calcium and phosphorus. Do you think that the reason there is so much phosphorus in that area of Morroco is because of mosasaur bones degrading? Why do you think there is so much phosphorus there? Thanks. 1 John 4:10,11
I have to ask, how many sets of teeth did each one of those grow? Unless you know that and their population numbers you really cant make the claims your making. Its to many unknowns.. we also dont know the number of actual teeth found so again we cant even give a good estimate because your exaggerated claims and numbers are just not good science.
He talks about all this in the video. And ultimately the point is that there is no creationist interpretation for what we do know that is not totally bonkers. We don't need to know exactly how many millions of teeth there actually are to know that there's way too many to have come from a single generation. Remember we're talking about one relatively small area of one country. There weren't, at minimum, millions of these extremely large creatures living in this one spot. And don't forget this is just one in a series of organisms that are just way, way too abundant to possibly come from a single flood. Mosasaurs, crinoids, foraminifera, etc. The number of fossils we have for some types of organisms is incredible. If you were to go fossil hunting with me in the river where I live you wouldn't believe how many crinoids fossils we could find in one little patch of ground in a half hour.
@SeriousGeorge I watched the video did you? I explained why his idea was not realistic, to many missing pieces of information. So keep on distorting things. No skin off my fossil lol. I have been fossil hunting and my area has thousands of such fossils. Yet we dont know the life cycle or can't explain how things were back then. You were not there, you can't know just guess. 12 million plus mammoths is another estimate. So yeah life was abundant back then, that's all it says.
No, you didn’t explain anything that refuted Joel stated. We DO actually have a very good idea how big mosasaurs were and how many teeth they had. It’s not difficult to extrapolate at all.
And not to mention all the critters that these mosasaurs had to eat. Must have been a pretty crowded ocean that the YECs imagine...
People regularly find Mosasaur remains in the North Sulphur River at Ladonia,Texas. The river cuts through late Cretaceous shales.
As dumb as it sounds, that during the flood, millions of individuals of each species of mosasaur swam to this area and popped all of their teeth out then swam out to make room for millions of individuals from the next species to swim in and pop out all of their teeth... as dumb as it sounds, young earth creationists would tell you that is exactly what happened.
Mosasaur dental crisis
Ha, love that title. Might work that into the blog post title that will go with this.
That's an unusual coincidence, as i was talking with pals about phosphates and fertilizers just a few days ago... but i didn't recall Moroccan digs!
Great video, Joel!
I would love to see you do one of these on the cliffs of Dover. Specifically trying to calculate approximately how much algae it would take to produce chalk deposits that thick in the time frame flood geologists give for deposition.
very cool, thanks for the info
Dr. Duff, i saw an article on the American bison. It stated that in the 1500's there were from 30 to 60 million living in North America. Within the article was an 1870 picture of a 20 foot high mound of bison skulls waiting to be ground up for fertilizer. Maybe there was a catastophic burial event in Morroco? Also, i have read that bone meal is high in phosphorus, interesting, yes?
This comment is an add on to my previous one. Thanks again.
Sidebar: Sorry for busting in on the bandwidth Joel; but they just (reported in Wash Post) made a dark eyed mouse from tweaked stem cells of a choanoflagellate. I expect the "explosion" from Ken Ham any moment now!
Many creationists explain the formation of Cretaceous chalk beds (requiring calm conditions) by calling that the post flood boundary. So, maybe they’d say Mosasaurs were swimming around after the flood, dropping teeth there.
Well not real sure about all that but I do have to point out the finding of soft tissue proteins in fossils dating from 65 to 500 million years. The problem with that is there is absolutely no mechanism for soft tissue to last into deep time. Forensics science proves that beyond a doubt. So there is a big problem with dating methods as they cannot possibly explain how so much soft tissue has been found in fossils from all the different strata.
@@vikingskuld Hello! :)
How has forensic science proved that without a doubt? You might be thinking of the study that showed collagen fibers breaking down _at boiling temperature,_ which may not show anything for those at lower temperatures.
Also, not long after Mary Schweitzer discovered the first scraps of dinosaur soft tissue, she released a second paper showing an iron-based preservation method. Are you familiar with that? :)
@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke yes I read Mary paper I found it rather disturbing you can actually call it science. As well there has been no known finds of soft tissue that show any kind of cross linking from Iron. Proteins break down period. Oxygen or no oxygen, Temps pretty much the same they break down. You can slow them a little but they still break down. That's not even debatable, there was a guy I forget who it was but he even wrote a paper stating something like there would only be .001 % of collagen left by about 700,000 years. So yes there is a huge problem for dating those layers with them finding soft tissue. There has been a lot of information done about how corpses break down and how the different Proteins also break down. Collagen is pretty tuff stuff but it's not going to last some 66 million years. I mean seriously you can't even imagine a million years of generations and all that time span. So to find soft tissue but claim it's so old when we already know how fast the Proteins break down is a problem.
@@vikingskuldwell, AKSHUALLY - they have determined how that could happen. You need to keep reading actual science books instead of spouting tired old creationist talking points that have been debunked thousands of times.
Dr. Duff, here's comment #4. There were over 100,000 people at the Michigan v. Ohio State football game Saturday. If 25,000 mosasaurs (that's about 1,000,000 teeth if each mosasaur had 40) died catastophically in one day in a flood in Morroco, well, what do you think?
Do you have a fossil collection, Mr. Duff?
Dr. Duff, maybe one last comment. They should carbon date those teeth, yes?
I am hearing that bones have a lot of calcium and phosphorus. Do you think that the reason there is so much phosphorus in that area of Morroco is because of mosasaur bones degrading? Why do you think there is so much phosphorus there? Thanks. 1 John 4:10,11
I have to ask, how many sets of teeth did each one of those grow? Unless you know that and their population numbers you really cant make the claims your making. Its to many unknowns.. we also dont know the number of actual teeth found so again we cant even give a good estimate because your exaggerated claims and numbers are just not good science.
He talks about all this in the video.
And ultimately the point is that there is no creationist interpretation for what we do know that is not totally bonkers. We don't need to know exactly how many millions of teeth there actually are to know that there's way too many to have come from a single generation. Remember we're talking about one relatively small area of one country. There weren't, at minimum, millions of these extremely large creatures living in this one spot.
And don't forget this is just one in a series of organisms that are just way, way too abundant to possibly come from a single flood. Mosasaurs, crinoids, foraminifera, etc. The number of fossils we have for some types of organisms is incredible. If you were to go fossil hunting with me in the river where I live you wouldn't believe how many crinoids fossils we could find in one little patch of ground in a half hour.
@SeriousGeorge I watched the video did you? I explained why his idea was not realistic, to many missing pieces of information. So keep on distorting things. No skin off my fossil lol. I have been fossil hunting and my area has thousands of such fossils. Yet we dont know the life cycle or can't explain how things were back then. You were not there, you can't know just guess. 12 million plus mammoths is another estimate. So yeah life was abundant back then, that's all it says.
No, you didn’t explain anything that refuted Joel stated. We DO actually have a very good idea how big mosasaurs were and how many teeth they had. It’s not difficult to extrapolate at all.