Great presentation, as a retired 12,000 hour dual rated professional pilot - you absolutely nailed it on all fronts regarding just about every aspect of an event like this. So good, I'm subscribing to your channel and giving you a thumbs up. You were succinct, accurate and entertaining.
My dad was a World War II pilot in the RAF and as he retired from his day job, he bought himself a very small kit planecalled a Jodell with a manual, prop and low wings. This was exactly the type of plane that he loved, and it was made mostly of balsam wood, except for the engine. you did not have to convince this plane to fly. You had to convince it to not fly. It’s lovely little plane. This is Montreal and I remember flying to Ontario and going through Trenton Air Force Base air, space and letting them know where we were. We were just clipping the top of it. They could not see us because the plane is all wood. I had so much fun flying with my dad. From when I was very young to about five years before he died. At that point, he decided he would not fly without another pilot. And he had sold the plane about another five years before. He used to fly out of a, gravel runway where two old mosquitoes were stationed as well. Nobody ever used the radio or if somebody did, then anybody else in the room just answer them. Was such a lovely way to grow up.
Love your videos! My brother was a commercial pilot, and he used to tell me stories like this. Since he passed away (unexpectedly due to cancer), I watch your videos and enjoy hearing these insider stories. You remind me of him, too. He was super honest, and never pulled any punches. Thanks for doing these.
Getting inside the brain of a pilot with a great sense of humor is really interesting. I am still giggling over "off roading". I look forward to your next post! 😂
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 Comedy is all about taking risks. And comedians are a different type of Beast. I'm sure that he quickly realized that video of the situation was potentially more valuable to him versus another bump on the head.
If everyone agrees the tip doesn't count, then you are generally in like flint. Just grease it on in and everyone arrives at the destination in a smooth and satisfying experience.
I’m glad someone commented on the “tip” remark. I am sitting in my office at work laughing my ass off out loud. Kelsey‘s always great company when I’m dealing with spreadsheets and other terribly exciting things.😂
I replayed it a couple times to try to pick up some intentional behavior like a smirk. No such smile. But absolutely great timing, sir! It had me choking on breakfast! Now I want "WE ALL KNOW THE TIP DOESN'T COUNT" t-shirts in 74 gear site!!
I've been watching Kelsey for a while now. His growing experience as a professional is thrilling to watch. I've shared him with the timid to fly, and he's helped them tremendously. His upcoming promotion to Captain is well deserved. Have a beautiful week, Kelsey. Thank you for the education and smiles.
Hydroplaning was definitely a possibility on the wet runway. That would cause the anti-skid brakes to release (modulate) and you would not get max braking. I flew the G-IV (I don't know if you mentioned which model Gulfstream), and I definitely did not like the brakes. Early models had an electrically activated brake system--it was so touchy they had to change it to a hydro-mechanical system. BTW, the G-IV dates back to the mid eighties--not the newest technology. I thought the systems were antiquated. No explanation for the thrust reversers. They should have been at max. Buckets, also referred to as 'clam shell' reversers, very effective. Originally designed by Dee Howard, I think.
Everytime I hear sideslip, I immediately think of the Gimli Glider -- Capt Pearson (one of the few names I'm capable of remembering) was a boss at the controls and FO Quintal (sp?) was cool as can be in the 2nd seat. It's truly a miracle upon a miracle that no one got seriously hurt.
I was able to calm down the person next me sitting in the window seat. He had never been on a flight that had to crab as noticeably as the one we were on that day. I looked out and just confidently said, oh we're crabbing in for the landing, this is completely normal, just means there's enough of a crosswind that they do this to compensate and that the plane will touch down and rotate to track down the middle of the runway. He was like oh really? It's normal? I just replied with oh yes, it's normal and we're going to be just fine. A moment later we landed and all was well. The pilot did an excellent job.
Just mind your pronunciation when making that speech to calm your neighbour. "Oh, i know that pilot, he's just doing his usual crap once again" is not necessarily helping to calm anyone down. 💩
one of the coolest landings I've had was in a 20 seater coming into Denver in a crosswind. the pilot absolutely nailed it. and yeah, I was watching the runway through the side window.
I work close to this airport and sit in my car and eat lunch there several times a week. This runway was upgraded and lengthened a few years ago to support the two local Casinos which Fluffy was headed. It sits in a valley surrounded on 3 sides by mountains about 2000 ft above runway. The approach is the open end of valley, so they had no excuse for not having a lower approach angle. The mountains do effect winds as you get below them. The runway is well crowned and I have never herd of puddles being an issue. Even though we had rain all day and the ground was wet, you can see that heavy plane didn't sink in the mud. That area had been built up during the upgrades and drained well. I'm not a pilot, but flew into a lot of crazy places with bush pilots while living in Alaska. My totally unprofessional opinion, weather was not a factor. Pilot should have his final decent much earlier. I wasn't there, but I was told by witnesses he didn't touch down in time, and his ground speed was higher than normal. He was reported to have reverse thruster issues, but I have seen 100s of planes this size land there, they usually touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, brake he next 1/3 and taxi out the last 1/3. Looks like to me he just overshot it
I love the buckets. I remember a landing in a 737 with the 'ole Pratt and Whitney JT8D-1 engines back in the days (as a passenger of course). I was sitting right behind the engines and had a beautifu view. The speed the buckets come out with is impressive - especially thinking about how much force is acting on them when they cut the stream of gasses ejected by the engine. Just looks like something out of a Sci-Fi movie.
Good job explaining. I really appreciate one of your comments. Weather flying is an art form, experience is key. I have been in the cockpits of aircraft in flight since I can remember. My first formal lesson was in the spring of 1974 and I retire from the airline 31 days from now. Reading the weather on paper and looking at it in the face are two different things. Experience and an abundance of caution are key. A quick example. My first job flying night freight in B-18's, we had no radar. I was taught to tune in an ADF station, preferably a commercial broadcast station and watch the indicator needle deviations. If you knew where the antenna was and where the needle should point then when it jumped off course it was pointing to the lightening and steer away from that bearing. Not sure I explained that very well but basically, in a storm, if your ADF needle pointed left.... go right. I survived anyway so there may be something to it.
How come when @74 gear says it, the "tip" sounds so innocent. Now I feel like a pervy grandma (with a beevus and butthead laugh running through my brain".
I can't believe how many pilots get this wrong, including you (love your videos, by the way). You were talking about a "side slip" but what you should've said was "forward slip." A "forward slip" is used to lose altitude quickly without gaining speed. A "side slip" (what you mentioned) is used to control your lateral position above the runway while keeping the longitudinal axis of the plane parallel with the runway/direction of travel. This is used to land in a crosswind.
Hopefully people will heed Gabriel’s unintentional PSA of keeping your seatbelt on - it’s for safety, not because ‘someone is there to yell at you’ for it.
First thing I do is put my seatbelt on upon pushback from the gate. It remains on until Taxiing to the gate after landing. I don't get why people take it off@@kurtvanluven9351
I have seen the runway as a passenger while the plane is crabbing in. In Wellington, New Zealand - which is our capital - it has a 5,955 ft runway with water at both ends. It's also known as the windy city. So on windy day it's pretty interesting being a passenger. You can always recognise the locals ( I am not one ), they keep talking as the plane comes in sideways, bouncing up and down. The rest of the plane is whisper quiet. It's an international terminal, so in the from 1981 to 1985 they landed short body 747s there ( 747SP ), to Kelsey's point that would need some precision.
Kiaora mate, windy wellington, i flew as a child from Nelson to wellington on a friendship. seatbelts all the way, LOL rough as guts across the straight back in those days. The locals would have probably said, there's a bit of a blow on today.
A long time ago, I had to ride in a plane with an autopilot malfunction. Crews had been reporting problems, so I ran all ground checks, and No Problem was Found. So my fuzzy ass was put on the next flight, I was standing with a leg on each side of the center radio console. All was well and I was enjoying the view, suddenly the nose pitched down and all those switches were in my back. I was able to turn off the Auto Pilot and the crew did not start a PIO. Yep, that plane was broken. It got fixed after a few days, I had to ride again, and it still flies today. I miss being young in the USAF. I really enjoy your channel. Thank you.
You're right about pax misremembering after a big scare. I worked fast cats and had an incident with port side engine room deciding it wanted to be a furnace. 2hrs boundary fighting until it burned itself out before we could limp back into port with 400 pax aboard all to muster with life jackets and aft cabin areas evacuated. Unknown to the pax was we were literally 5mins from abandon ship when the fire died. When we got in and pax were offloaded we had ppl telling the press we were running around in a panic, didn't know what we were doing and we didn't give them life jackets and all sorts of lovely stuff the press used to rip us to shreds. MCA investigation on the other hand gave all crew glowing reports and that incident was used as an example of "these are the procedures in action and how they work" in training. Ppl under that amount of stress, anxiety and fear can be total loopers. We had passengers complain that the bar was closed. The ships on fire and we're 5mins from gtfo but the REAL problem is the bar is closed?! 😂 The sense of relief a lot of them will have felt when they hit land off that gangway must have been overwhelming though.
Yeah, you can bet he includes this accident in his special going forward) But it’s ok, every comedian basically telling you stories/experiences from their everyday life
Minor Correction: There are two kinds of slips, and they are used for different reasons. The side slip is used for crosswind compensation, and pilots frequently refer to this as the "wing low" method. The forward slip is used to lose altitude, utilizing the fuselage as drag. I believe you are referring to the forward slip, although I agree this is pretty unusual in a large aircraft!
The Gimli glider did a sideslip; they didn't have much choice in the matter. Incidentally, I'm familiar with the Gimli Motorsports Park for having trashed several sports cars there.
This was (in a good way) a ridiculously specific and helpful way to describe a rare but potentially frightening scenario. I’ve been thankful to watch his videos and read Patrick Smith’s book and blog in order to understand and feel comfortable with my frequent flying. Some of which is at a tiny airport with a 5,000 foot runway where (I now know) I don’t give a damn how hard the landing is on my regional jet, because it means we’ve landed and are safe! Flip side, takeoffs are fun because they spool up the engines way high, then release the breaks and you hit your seat back and FEEL the speed right quick.
I always keep my seat belt on, I also always keep my shoes on the whole flight too, Ive learned that if there was an emergency I might not have time to get back them on before evacuating the plane. Think about it lets say some bad turbulence causes damage to the plane that caused it to make an emergency landing and evacuation, if your shoes were off they may have been tossed out of your reach during the turbulence event
it was raining in Minneapolis one day when we landed.. lots of weather & bad turbulence & when we hit the ground it was the hardest landing I've ever experienced but... we stopped fast & everyone was safe.. thanks for explaining that, it makes much more sense now
As a very nervous flyer, I find your explanations very comforting. I even did a flying without fear course and it didn’t help as much as your explanations. Thank you.
I just started flying on commercial airlines as a passenger and I just experienced the worst landing ever, to the point that I said to other passengers, “Rough landing, huh?”. I had not experienced a hard landing before, but this video sheds light on, “why?”. Thanks for the informatics vid. 👊
My late Mom was on a flight sitting between 2 businessmen. They hit a lot of turbulence and she said the 2 beside her looked nervous. She was reading a really good book and wanted to find out how it ended whether the plane went down or not. I still chuckle to myself picturing Mom clutching her book, calmly reading. ❤🇨🇦
The slide slip you described sound like when that Air Canada ran out of fuel and they landed in an old air force base in Gimley. And its on air crash investigations. And that was on a 767 i believe. the episode is titled The Gimley Glider.
Years ago, I was a passenger on a United B767 landing at Kona, Hawaii. The captain announced that ATC had kept us too high too long and that he was going to do a maneuver that would reduce our altitude rapidly and safely. So he did a slip, which gave me a great view of the runway as we approached. As a private pilot, I understood and enjoyed the experience. However, the other passengers did not, judging by all the screaming!
My husband’s time learning to be a private pilot and studying for his instrument rating really helped me deal with my fear of flying. I’m not an enthusiastic flyer but I do understand what’s happening and I feel more comfortable than I did before “we” learned together. I’m really careful planning my flights and routes because of what I learned too. I flew into CLT from SFO to connect to a flight to GSO one evening and the thunderstorm delayed our landing about 45 minutes. Our approach was rough, there was silence until we were on the ground. It’s the worst I’ve ever experienced and was just a few months after a wind shear had caused a crash on approach of a plane at Charlotte. During our 45 minute layover I called my husband and asked if he’d come get me because the storms hadn’t cleared but they intended to fly anyway and I knew with the short hop we’d not get above it. He got there as the plane left and we drove to Greensboro to pick up my luggage but I didn’t have to deal with the storm turbulence again that night.
Oh my goodness, I'm scared of flying, I think I would have had a seizure! Two days ago I flew from Europe and landed in Chicago O'Hare and the decent and landing part was super uncomfortable for me. I thought the plane was loosing altitude way too fast during decent which made me think that the pilot didn't know what he was doing or something unsafe was going on as if nobody had control over the plane! I wish I had had a pilot sitting right next to me who could explain these things because I swear the sensation was pretty uncomfortable, it was different then usual:(
@@regularguy3665in a normal turn, you bank the wings and apply sufficient rudder to compensate for any altitude loss. In the case of a slip, after banking the wings, an opposite rudder input will push/drop the side of the aircraft into the wind and the increased drag will drop you faster than normal. Easily recoverable if you release all inputs, as your plane naturally wants to fly into the wind.
@@regularguy3665 Yes, essentially... A "crab" is a little bitty bit off "straight ahead" to compensate for crosswind... A "Slip" is a LOTTA bit sideways to drop a bunch of altitude fast without over-speeding the plane... You can look up the famous "Gimli Glider" incident (just the first off the top of my head) and at least one or two historic air disaster channels have pretty good explanations of just how that works... It was specifically mentioned in Gimli, because the Captain (if I recall correctly) was a long time glider pilot who REALLY knew how to "slip" and that they had ONE (and only ONE) chance at landing the plane on that runway... no go-around because no engines... and they were coming in high and hot... It's a famous and really good story... worth hearing a couple times, BUT if anybody's got a good reference for the best channel/version, it's probably worth chasing down again... haha ;o)
actually, a guy I worked with did remember a pilot doing a firm landing at a small airport in Alaska. it was particularly noteworthy to him, because it didn't have EMAS, it had a swamp. and there was an airplane in the swamp. he said the only way to land a full size plane was to hit the threshold, and immediately stand on the brakes, go to full reverse thrust, and hang out all the hardware.
I'm a 737 pilot with 9800 hours for Cyprus t airlines i also love flying Cessna 152 as a hobby. I just found your site ,I love it its brilliant well done . thanks Kelsey
I really enjoy watching your videos. I can watch them one after the other. Makes me want to get my pilots license. On second thought, maybe that’s overly ambitious for my age. I’m a 2 million miler as a passenger on a major commercial airline. I’ll stick to being an airline passenger. I’ll keep sailing catamarans across the Atlantic at 10 knots and look to the sky when I hear an airplane traveling at 500 knots. Looking forward to more great videos.
Great analysis! That's my home airport, KRHP, and it was a bad weather day. The mountains are very challenging and the turbulence generated by the nearby mountains is also very challenging on a day like that. I've heard that commercial pilots don't like landing here in jets. He was entertaining at a casino about 40 miles away. Asheville would have been much farther away, but the wiser choice for that day.
Dude you were on fire in this video " We all know the tp doesn't count" and " They do remember when you take your golfstream off-roading" had me in stitches.
My flight school did not allow us to do slips, however my instructor did show me how. When I went for my PPL, my instructor gave me a list of DO NOT list with the FAA and slips was on that list along with crabbing and I'm a short person so did a lot of crabbing. Great explaining and Yep I loved the off-roading comment!
Firm landings remind me of when I would fly into Toncontin airport. Flying around mountains and landing on what seemed like a short runway. I was very grateful for those skilled pilots!!
I was landing in Adelaide in what i believe was a dash 8. super stormy and windy day. runway was soaked. there was a large crosswind and the plane was crabbing so i could see directly down the runway. as an aviation enthusiast i was amazed but the people around me were obviously nervous. I didn’t even feel the plane land! most buttery smooth landing i’ve ever felt. props to those pilots!
I feel like I just attended my first lecture at flight school. This has so much interesting and useful information that I will be processing it for days!
FANTASTIC!!! That was THE best and most worthwhile thing I have seen here on any channel!! Perfect explanation and illustrations!! THANK YOU!! Most flyers do not understand up and down drafts and do believe in "air pockets"! This is great!!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for making these videos! I am loving having access to some of these behind the scene moments and piloting basic. I have always been so curious about the science and the policies around flight and this is UA-cam channel is just the best for that kind of information.
Great job walking through the interview! The G-IV also has a flight idle feature to reduce the engine spool-up time for a go-around. If the nutcracker switches (squat switches) don't actuate due to the airplane floating the engines will continue at a higher RPM further exacerbating the required runway problem.
While it's true that passengers will remember especially terrible landings, I can't forget this especially smooth one I experienced on a recent flight to Dallas-Fortworth. This pilot kissed the runway like it was his child's forehead. Perfectly symmetrical touchdown, gentlest transition between air and ground I imagine is possible for a commercial airliner. I stop my car less gracefully this pilot landed us. I was sitting in the utmost rear of the plane so maybe that made things less jarring than usual, but no doubt it was a beautiful landing.
i think you now explained what happened on a flight I took to Florida in 1977. The flight was going along fine and then the 737 suddenly dropped. I was wearing my seatbelt, so I was ok, but I think several other passengers weren't. There was a lot of screaming (not me), and it sounded like either some passengers or their belongings hit the ceiling above the seats. It was a long time ago, but the event is still quite vivid in my memory. Thanks!
The worst sudden downdrafts I remember were island hopping in Hawaii. Big drops! I wasn't scared, but I was chewing gum for dear life because of my ears. My grandmother, who was a nervous flier, screamed, and I ended up reassuring her that we weren't crashing.
Your videos are never too long. They're always interesting and informative...sometimes entertaining! Don't second-guess yourself. Please keep doing what you're doing!
@@SebSN-y3f Everyone is a fool sometimes. Nobody knows everything, and when you are outside of your knowledge base, you are a fool. I have been a fool a lot of times in my life, and i aint dead yet, which means i am going to be a fool at least a few more times before i die.
He is being a passenger reacting to a frightening flying event. He is just higher profile than the rest of us. His reactions do make him look like a fool. Just like a typical passenger trying to reconcil e what happened.
@@jeromethiel4323 Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone is immature and makes stupid mistakes like Fluffy. I have made plenty of mistakes but I learn from them rather than excusing them as something that just happens. That is the difference between smart people and dummies like Fluffy and you.
back in the late 90s i used to commute from Logan to Reagan, and the flight was one of these little puddle jumpers, i think it was usually a Saab. One time on the way down, it was really bumpy all the way, there were a few drops like what Fluffy described. one was big enough were i was wondering if it was going to catch again, i had enough time to look to see if we still had wings (we did 🙂) we kept dropping, a few people actually started screaming, then we caught. and it almost felt like we bounced, and we gained altitude rather quickly. i don't know if it was an updraft, or we were skimming the trees, and the pilot wanted to get higher fast, or both. anyway, that 2 hr ish flight felt like about 10. this was pre 9/11, and the pilot was separated from us by a curtain that he had left open. i could see the copilot position from my seat, and it looked like he was doing the flying, he was working that yoke like a rally driver the whole time. when we finally landed it was like silk, smooth and soft. he got applause from all the passengers. a lot of these regional pilots are underrated.
I like the uhhhhhh 😅 Couple decades ago I was listening to the air traffic channel on my rubber hose headphones and a lot of pilots were asking for different altitudes because they were getting a “terrible ride” as I heard one say. Our plane was very bumpy as well. That experience told me the pilots were trying their best and there was no reason to blame them for the weather.
The type of thrust reversers on Gulfstreams are called "clamshell" type thrust reversers. Buckets is a pilot vernacular. The type of reversers on a 747 are called "cascade" type. These are easier to streamline for cruise but weigh more. Clamshells were used on the 737-100/200, and still used on some of the DC-9 and its derivatives. Some smaller private jets have "paddle" type thrust deflectors that kind of act like putting a fan in front of a sail, and the ship goes backwards. These paddle types are not very common. As to the EMAS comment, the FAA actually has 100's of millions of dollars earmarked for municipal airport upgrades to install EMAS at many smaller airports as well as painting enhanced taxi markings. One such example is KBDR in Stratford, CT. They just added EMAS to the ends of RWY6/24 and reduced its width to 100ft. This was done to appease the stupid rich people that moved into houses around the airport and started complaining about the noise. KBDR has been there since before Lindeberg flew the Atlantic, and Igor Sikorsky test flew his first helicopter prototypes there and the whole airfield was taken over by the military for production of the Chance-Vought F4U Corsair during WWII, and there was NOTHING else there except a lighthouse but, bitches, gonna bitch. They already closed one of the runways, and now reduced 6/24. I hate stupid rich people that think the world must cater to their every whim.
Midway in Chicago suffered closure because of these kinds of twits. 😠 The Air National Guard gets grief by some of the ignorant homeowners adjacent to my municipal airport. One group, or individual, living in the area bought a billboard advertisement trying to generate concentrated grief complaining about the F-15s practicing max climb intercepts on full-afterburner. Don't move near an airport if you are so delicate! 🤦♂👂🎧✈ I used to sleep in a dorm right next to the runway at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska with F-15s doing the same thing at all hours - so they should be grateful that then ANG doesn't do that - just during the day. Prior to that, I had T-37s flying over my dorm in Texas at all hours. Those were quieter, but much more annoying because of their nickname - "Tweets." Loudest chirping, birdlike, noise you didn't want to hear zooming over at about 1000 feet above your head. 🤣
@@ssgtmole8610same experiences brother! My first duty assignment was a pilot training base and we flew T-37 Tweets then they moved up to the awesome T-38. I was a jet engine mechanic and worked flight line support so I was often laying underneath the tweet setting fuel stops while running anywhere from idle to full power and I have the worst case of tinnitus you could ever dream of from working on that high pitched bastard!! After I left Columbus AFB, I went to Elgin AFB in Florida an was assigned to the 33rd which was an F-15 squadron. I used to love listening to the 15s/16s doing full burner takeoffs with max climb out. What an absolutely beautiful sound!! It was the same thing there, why do folks outside the gate of the largest military installation in the free world and folks on the other side of the gate know that information yet they are gonna buy the house closest to the runway so that when we are doing our night flights and drills/exercise, they complain to the mayor and base commander about the 15s/16s, and all the other mysterious aircraft we had sitting around at the time from 52s to C5s & B1s, etc. one side of the base is a Tactical 15 unit and the other is the Armament side doing design, testing, engineering, etc so that we maintain the best Armament Arsenal in the entire world and God help us anytime we needed to test some of our amram or shram missilesor or if the A-10s we had there wanted to test out new guns and sometimes we didn’t feel like flying 100 miles off coast like the Karen’s wanted us too. I just don’t fricn get it!! It sounded like Peace & Freedom to me and those bitches need to sit down and shut the F’ up!!! I love the sound of any fighter at full burner and I love the smell of that JP-4 burning and filling the evening air with that sexy fossil fuel perfume known as jet exhaust!! These ken & Karen’s can just go F’ themselves, we’ve got a mission to go Fly!!!
It's been more than 20 years since I learned to fly, but it sounded to me that you were describing a "forward slip" instead of a "side slip." I turned to google to make sure my memory was correct. :-) "Both forward and sideslips involve opposite aileron and rudder input. In a forward slip (typically used to increase drag and decrease altitude), the aircraft’s nose points away from the direction of flight, with the lowered wing facing the direction of flight. In a sideslip (typically associated with the final stage of a crosswind landing), the aircraft’s nose points in the direction of flight, regardless of which wing is lowered."
I just had the pleasure of "touring" the Aleutian Islands along the coast of Alaska traveling to a very small town. I feel that after 11 hours taking off and landing so many times, I should have pilot wings. All the landing strips (most airport buildings were a couple metal buildings) were very short, all the landings were very hard with braking tossing you forward in your seat. I just say bravo to the Air Alaska pilots. When I talked to them, both had been (and still were) bush pilots.
Excellent breakdown, Kelsey! This reminded me of two separate landing incidents I was in as a passenger (neither was unsafe). Landing at St Louis in an L1011 widebody we had turbulence all the way to the ground and it was bad! My experience up to then was that the plane would normally fly down out of the turbulence but that didn't happen. Lots of white knuckles from experienced air travelers. The captain got applause when he greased it onto the runway. We had been taking bets on how many bounces it would be. We literally could not tell when we stopped flying and started rolling. The second incident was an arrival at Oakland International in the SF Bay Area on a small jet PSA was flying... smaller than a 737 but I don't know what it was. We came in smacked the runway, bounced back up into the air and came down again. Not sure which pilot made the landing, but I'm sure it was the other one who came on to the cabin intercom and announced "Ladies and Gentlemen; Welcome to Oakland! Twice!" We all cracked up back in the cabin! It's funny how as a passenger you know approaches you fly often. I used to shuttle between Oakland and Burbank and back for business quite often. We were coming into Oakland one day and looking out the window I see the San Leandro Marina which is about when the plane usually flares. Not only is the nose not coming up, we're slipping from side to side and I'm thinking we're too low and too slow for this! Get the nose up dammit! I think that one was the only landing that bothered me. Keep up the great work, Kelsey! I love your videos!
You know that is weird that they were landing at that airport. He was performing at Cherokee at their new Comedy Club and the drive from either Asheville Regional Airport ( 8000 ft runway) and the Western Carolina Regional airport (5500 ft runway) is about an hour. I guess they wanted to give him a nice view of the Nantahala National Park. He got a view alright. That valley is known for storms forming quickly and being quite sever due to up-sloping winds and high moisture contents from nearby Fontana Lake and the Natahala river. I flew into that airport several times, years ago when it was called Andrews-Murphy airport. It's a tricky little approach as it's tucked into a nice little river valley.
I was just checking out Gabriele's fine collection of VW campers on another UA-cam page and there he is on Kelsey's show. Glad he and the rest on board made it out of that scrape safely.
Kelsey, I remember a former regional airline from 50 years ago trying to land a DC-9 at the airport in St Thomas, USVI. It was a short runway back then with the ocean at one end of the runway and a big mountain at the other end. This plane was trying to land right after a thunderstorm passed by. The runway had not completely drained much less dried when he made his approach. Guess what happened? He touched down, applied the brakes and reversers and he couldn’t stop. He hydroplaned along the entire length of the runway, across the grass apron, through the chain link fence, across the road and ended up crashing into a gas station. A woman was hit and lost her leg. There was, I believe a direct correlation between the thunder storm and the amount of water on the runway. If the pilot had known this, I guess he could have made a hard landing to get the wheels on the ground, but I’m not sure that would have stopped the plane. Landing on a wet runway can be a challenge, especially if the pilot doesn’t know how bad it is.
Yikes! Still counting my blessings that my pilot recovered the fishtail after our skid off the runway in the snow storm! (posted separately) That's a heck of a story!
Great video as always. One comment though. You are describing the maneuver used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed as a side slip. That would be a forward slip, named as such because the airplane’s direction of motion continues the same as before the slip was begun, with the longitudinal axis at an angle to create drag by exposing the side of the fuselage. The side slip is used for crosswing landings, where the longitudinal axis is paralell to the flight path, but in reality you are "sideslipping through the xwind moving airmass to stay on centerline. I know it sounds counterintuitive, and a lot of people tend to make the same mistake. the diagram you show shows a sideslip and you can see the longitudinal axis being parallel to the rwy. You can review the Airplane Flying Handbook (FAA-H-8083-3C), pages 9-12 to 9-14. Keep up the great videos! BTW, I love Fluffy!
Worst I ever experienced was coming into Gatwick (UK), about 200 feet above the start of runway we heard the engines rev up then a couple of seconds later we did a hard left turn then climbed rapidly. It seems there was another plane on the runway. There were several gasps, one scream and a child crying. Whilst in the 'go-round' the pilot explained. Other than that, there were some horrible 'grumbling' noises on one flight, we landed, taxied to what I think was a maintenance area and waited for buses to come and take us to the terminal.
Had similar at Heathrow. Coming in at night, normal approach on 27L. Watched the roofs of cargo companies after Hounslow underneath. I could see building lights almost at touchdown, so about 200ft waiting for the bump and suddenly the engines spooled up full power and we climed very quickly banking left over Staines and out over North Surrey, over mum and dad's house near Woking and back round to land normally. Pilot said on the abort it was due to an emergency vehicle on the runway. Nah! I didn't see any blue lights or amber service vehicle lights. Never found out the real reason, but was fun. Apart from young lady next to me clutching a teddybear for dear life. I did give words of comfort to her and not to worry. If happens......just always keep seatbelt on when seated and know where the exits are and don't panic. My golden rules.....
Years ago we flew into Laredo with a plane load of vacationers and the touchdown was so hard the passengers clapped after! I have told the story many times because it was very uncomfortable. Part of the anxiety was the pilot hiccupped during the normal address to the cabin before landing. We thought he was drunk!( Lol. I remember the plane turning left at the end of the runway to taxi in to the "gate" and saw the ocean like right there! All these years later and now I understand the hard landing -- it was a short runway with nothing but the ocean at the end.
When I was young, I used to fly a lot as an unaccompanied minor between DFW and Houston, originally on Braniff, then on Southwest, mostly DC9's and DC10's as I recall, but one trip was with a little regional called Chaparral and was a little twin prop 8 seater, it's the only time I've been in a plane that small, and we flew through some of the worst weather I've been in between Meacham Field and Hobby. There's such a difference in what you can feel, and it was my first experience with heavy crabbing on landing, I remember looking out my SB window and being able to look straight down the runway as we came in.. Figure this was probably late 70's..
As a resident of Chicago,I fly in and out of MDW all the time and am used to the hard landings and straight up take offs even though I would definitely prefer a longer runway than 6,522.
Hi John chicagoan here too and I did a lot of flying in and out of MDW years ago a very fun and challenging airport and airspace. How about the late great CGX Meigs field. Now that was a hoot to land on at night. Better have perfect brakes!!
Like I said before your channel is the reason I took my first flight ever at 43 yrs old. Had a death fear of just getting near a plane. Now it literally the funnest thing I’ve ever done smile the whole time ! That being said if your ever in Buffalo ny area and can get ahold of a plane I’d love to see what that slip technique is all about lol
If you search Hyannis airport plane lands in road- a story from 2000 comes up. I lived nearby when it happened. And honestly with the layout of that airport I’m amazed it didn’t happen more often.
I recently discovered your channel. I'm really enjoying your presentations and all the information you give your viewers. Really love hearing about all your travels and your stories.
I loved this video just because I heard coming in at an angle and I immediately thought "Crabbing due to crosswinds," something I learned by watching Kelsey. Then he immediately goes on to suggest that and how it's probably not the case due to the approach. Both were great moments. Keep it up!
I'm not a pilot, but a FF- and I *hate* flying into Midway. It seems to me to be as close to a carrier landing that a civilian can get- at least at a major US airport. If you've got better (or worse LOL) recommendations- let me know- I'm also a big rollercoaster aficionado, so I might need to check it out. Thanks for another excellent vid
Love your channel, find it entertaining and so informative! Having been a passenger in a small plane that 'crab landed' like that and veering off the short runway - that after mechanical problems, I have to say it was super scary compounded by the naturally challenging runway, but the weirdest parts of it stuck in my head afterward lol. (that is after my hands steadied and my legs could carry me properly again lol)
Said from the guy who's obviously never hit a cow on a dark country road at night. Trust me you hit a cow in anything your going to know you hit something big. Lol. Damn cow spinned my friends little Datsun around about 15 times and by the time all the spinning stopped we jumped out thinking we'd find at least a injured cow. Nope while we were spinning i guess he walked his big ass off into the field through the fence that he apparently got out of earlier. This was my graduation night back in 83, hence the Datsun 🚗. Lol. I can't believe it but one of the biggest nights of my life and I was sober so I remember this whole event. Btw when I grew up i became a paramedic and the FAA had a major airline crash scenario that we had to go and play medical for the day. The co pilot supposedly was killed or severely injured by cow that was in the field that the had a real plane that was seriously f'd up and people hanging out everywhere on the plane and in the field and one guy actually had a cow trying to lick his face. Of course he was supposed to be dead but he was dying of laughing. What a day. So apparently if a plane hits a cow exactly the wrong way it supposed to do damage. This was back in the 80s maybe things have changed but I believe that the scenario we did the nose went directly into the ground and I suspect they had the idea of a cow being unlucky enough to be standing there. They threw everything at us even firefighters getting snake bitten trying to get into the crash site. God i was glad when that nightmare ended when my ambulance broke down. Threw a wrench into the FAAs well planned day lol
Lol I remember landing in DWS in very strong wind. The pilot did let us know we were going to land much faster than normal. Thirty years of traveling that was one of the more interesting landings. Nice job!
Great presentation, as a retired 12,000 hour dual rated professional pilot - you absolutely nailed it on all fronts regarding just about every aspect of an event like this. So good, I'm subscribing to your channel and giving you a thumbs up. You were succinct, accurate and entertaining.
oh, you´re going to enjoy this channel, you´ve a lot of catching up to do
Absolutely - Love the content@@duncanmagee
Kelsey's a great avtuber
Captain Kelsey now!
As a retarded what? Why would you call yourself that
“They do remember when you take your Gulfstream Off-Roading!”😂🤣 My favorite Kelsey quote so far! So true
I cracked up when I heard that..
Still chuckling after that comment. I guess off roading a gulfstream is not recommended.
@@AJGreen-cn8kk you do have to get a landing gear lift and and rock sliders
Well, the passenger can tell what he experienced, but Kelsey provides the insight and the whole story, which makes this one of my favourite channels!
Co-signed.
He didn’t explain the whole story since we don’t have the data. But he made some informed guesses of course
My dad was a World War II pilot in the RAF and as he retired from his day job, he bought himself a very small kit planecalled a Jodell with a manual, prop and low wings. This was exactly the type of plane that he loved, and it was made mostly of balsam wood, except for the engine. you did not have to convince this plane to fly. You had to convince it to not fly. It’s lovely little plane. This is Montreal and I remember flying to Ontario and going through Trenton Air Force Base air, space and letting them know where we were. We were just clipping the top of it. They could not see us because the plane is all wood. I had so much fun flying with my dad. From when I was very young to about five years before he died. At that point, he decided he would not fly without another pilot. And he had sold the plane about another five years before. He used to fly out of a, gravel runway where two old mosquitoes were stationed as well. Nobody ever used the radio or if somebody did, then anybody else in the room just answer them. Was such a lovely way to grow up.
Love your videos! My brother was a commercial pilot, and he used to tell me stories like this. Since he passed away (unexpectedly due to cancer), I watch your videos and enjoy hearing these insider stories. You remind me of him, too. He was super honest, and never pulled any punches. Thanks for doing these.
Getting inside the brain of a pilot with a great sense of humor is really interesting. I am still giggling over "off roading". I look forward to your next post! 😂
Did you catch that? 17:40?
Love how his first thought after hitting his head on the ceiling wasn't to fasten his seat belt, but to grab his phone and start recording.
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Absolutely ridiculous response to turbulence. Guess being a comedian doesn’t require common sense.
Welcome to the 21st century: Film someone drowning rather than throwing them a life preserver.
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 Comedy is all about taking risks. And comedians are a different type of Beast. I'm sure that he quickly realized that video of the situation was potentially more valuable to him versus another bump on the head.
@@downandout992 except you don't really have a lot of control over whether it's going to be just a bump on the head versus a skull fracture.
"We all know the tip doesn't count" - I fell down laughing!
Kelsey, you are a master of timing.
I’m in the comments looking for someone to say something about that 😂
If everyone agrees the tip doesn't count, then you are generally in like flint. Just grease it on in and everyone arrives at the destination in a smooth and satisfying experience.
I’m glad someone commented on the “tip” remark. I am sitting in my office at work laughing my ass off out loud. Kelsey‘s always great company when I’m dealing with spreadsheets and other terribly exciting things.😂
I replayed it a couple times to try to pick up some intentional behavior like a smirk. No such smile. But absolutely great timing, sir! It had me choking on breakfast! Now I want "WE ALL KNOW THE TIP DOESN'T COUNT" t-shirts in 74 gear site!!
I've been watching Kelsey for a while now. His growing experience as a professional is thrilling to watch. I've shared him with the timid to fly, and he's helped them tremendously. His upcoming promotion to Captain is well deserved. Have a beautiful week, Kelsey. Thank you for the education and smiles.
I adore Mayim Bialik! What a great mix of two channels I love!
Kelsey is getting promoted to Captain? That’s amazing!
I AGREE COMPLETELY 😊!
Oooooo KELSEY-Congrats!!!!!!! This Memere (Grandmother) LOVES your channel - I’m SO VERY HAPPY for you young man!!
Hydroplaning was definitely a possibility on the wet runway. That would cause the anti-skid brakes to release (modulate) and you would not get max braking. I flew the G-IV (I don't know if you mentioned which model Gulfstream), and I definitely did not like the brakes. Early models had an electrically activated brake system--it was so touchy they had to change it to a hydro-mechanical system. BTW, the G-IV dates back to the mid eighties--not the newest technology. I thought the systems were antiquated. No explanation for the thrust reversers. They should have been at max. Buckets, also referred to as 'clam shell' reversers, very effective. Originally designed by Dee Howard, I think.
Absolutely 💯
Was a G4
How long the pilot’s, “Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…….” is before an announcement indicates seniority. 😂🤣😂
Everytime I hear sideslip, I immediately think of the Gimli Glider -- Capt Pearson (one of the few names I'm capable of remembering) was a boss at the controls and FO Quintal (sp?) was cool as can be in the 2nd seat.
It's truly a miracle upon a miracle that no one got seriously hurt.
I was able to calm down the person next me sitting in the window seat. He had never been on a flight that had to crab as noticeably as the one we were on that day. I looked out and just confidently said, oh we're crabbing in for the landing, this is completely normal, just means there's enough of a crosswind that they do this to compensate and that the plane will touch down and rotate to track down the middle of the runway. He was like oh really? It's normal? I just replied with oh yes, it's normal and we're going to be just fine. A moment later we landed and all was well. The pilot did an excellent job.
Just mind your pronunciation when making that speech to calm your neighbour.
"Oh, i know that pilot, he's just doing his usual crap once again" is not necessarily helping to calm anyone down. 💩
one of the coolest landings I've had was in a 20 seater coming into Denver in a crosswind. the pilot absolutely nailed it. and yeah, I was watching the runway through the side window.
Who's flying this thing?
We are all doomed!
-Wash
Myiam Bialik does great interviews! I hadn't seen this one, but I'll be sure to watch it
@@IngoSchwarze Or- "the pilot frequently has crabs." That also is not likely to elicit the intended response ....
I work close to this airport and sit in my car and eat lunch there several times a week. This runway was upgraded and lengthened a few years ago to support the two local Casinos which Fluffy was headed. It sits in a valley surrounded on 3 sides by mountains about 2000 ft above runway. The approach is the open end of valley, so they had no excuse for not having a lower approach angle. The mountains do effect winds as you get below them. The runway is well crowned and I have never herd of puddles being an issue. Even though we had rain all day and the ground was wet, you can see that heavy plane didn't sink in the mud. That area had been built up during the upgrades and drained well. I'm not a pilot, but flew into a lot of crazy places with bush pilots while living in Alaska. My totally unprofessional opinion, weather was not a factor. Pilot should have his final decent much earlier. I wasn't there, but I was told by witnesses he didn't touch down in time, and his ground speed was higher than normal. He was reported to have reverse thruster issues, but I have seen 100s of planes this size land there, they usually touch down in the first 1/3 of the runway, brake he next 1/3 and taxi out the last 1/3. Looks like to me he just overshot it
Affect in this case.
I LOVE Fluffy! (Gabriel Iglesias). By far the funniest comedian I have ever heard. Was watching him just last night on UA-cam.
I love the buckets. I remember a landing in a 737 with the 'ole Pratt and Whitney JT8D-1 engines back in the days (as a passenger of course). I was sitting right behind the engines and had a beautifu view. The speed the buckets come out with is impressive - especially thinking about how much force is acting on them when they cut the stream of gasses ejected by the engine. Just looks like something out of a Sci-Fi movie.
74 Gear is and always will be #1
Good job explaining. I really appreciate one of your comments. Weather flying is an art form, experience is key. I have been in the cockpits of aircraft in flight since I can remember. My first formal lesson was in the spring of 1974 and I retire from the airline 31 days from now. Reading the weather on paper and looking at it in the face are two different things. Experience and an abundance of caution are key. A quick example. My first job flying night freight in B-18's, we had no radar. I was taught to tune in an ADF station, preferably a commercial broadcast station and watch the indicator needle deviations. If you knew where the antenna was and where the needle should point then when it jumped off course it was pointing to the lightening and steer away from that bearing. Not sure I explained that very well but basically, in a storm, if your ADF needle pointed left.... go right. I survived anyway so there may be something to it.
All the “just the tip” innuendo had me giggling. Kelsey, your humor and delivery is 10/10 🤣 It left me satisfied 🤣🤣
He sneaks them in and sometimes they catch me off guard and I burst out laughing like a dork 😂
@@BethanyAitch he’s so stinking cute when he does that
How come when @74 gear says it, the "tip" sounds so innocent. Now I feel like a pervy grandma (with a beevus and butthead laugh running through my brain".
I dunno why the previous commenters on this comment are getting all worked up - he clearly said, "The tip isn't important." 🤣
@@stickinthemud23 I guess the full “enchilada” is what counts 🤣
I can't believe how many pilots get this wrong, including you (love your videos, by the way). You were talking about a "side slip" but what you should've said was "forward slip." A "forward slip" is used to lose altitude quickly without gaining speed. A "side slip" (what you mentioned) is used to control your lateral position above the runway while keeping the longitudinal axis of the plane parallel with the runway/direction of travel. This is used to land in a crosswind.
Hopefully people will heed Gabriel’s unintentional PSA of keeping your seatbelt on - it’s for safety, not because ‘someone is there to yell at you’ for it.
Strangely, I would have mine on before the announcement.
Just demonstrates the typical celebrity mentality, in which the rules only apply to us peons flying coach.
First thing I do is put my seatbelt on upon pushback from the gate. It remains on until Taxiing to the gate after landing. I don't get why people take it off@@kurtvanluven9351
what???@@crazyralph6386
@@crazyralph6386 its far from just celebrities... alot of typical flyers ive seen lose the seatbelt the second they can
I have seen the runway as a passenger while the plane is crabbing in.
In Wellington, New Zealand - which is our capital - it has a 5,955 ft runway with water at both ends. It's also known as the windy city.
So on windy day it's pretty interesting being a passenger. You can always recognise the locals ( I am not one ), they keep talking as the plane comes in sideways, bouncing up and down. The rest of the plane is whisper quiet.
It's an international terminal, so in the from 1981 to 1985 they landed short body 747s there ( 747SP ), to Kelsey's point that would need some precision.
Kiaora mate, windy wellington, i flew as a child from Nelson to wellington on a friendship. seatbelts all the way, LOL rough as guts across the straight back in those days. The locals would have probably said, there's a bit of a blow on today.
A long time ago, I had to ride in a plane with an autopilot malfunction. Crews had been reporting problems, so I ran all ground checks, and No Problem was Found. So my fuzzy ass was put on the next flight, I was standing with a leg on each side of the center radio console. All was well and I was enjoying the view, suddenly the nose pitched down and all those switches were in my back. I was able to turn off the Auto Pilot and the crew did not start a PIO. Yep, that plane was broken. It got fixed after a few days, I had to ride again, and it still flies today. I miss being young in the USAF. I really enjoy your channel. Thank you.
You're right about pax misremembering after a big scare. I worked fast cats and had an incident with port side engine room deciding it wanted to be a furnace. 2hrs boundary fighting until it burned itself out before we could limp back into port with 400 pax aboard all to muster with life jackets and aft cabin areas evacuated. Unknown to the pax was we were literally 5mins from abandon ship when the fire died.
When we got in and pax were offloaded we had ppl telling the press we were running around in a panic, didn't know what we were doing and we didn't give them life jackets and all sorts of lovely stuff the press used to rip us to shreds. MCA investigation on the other hand gave all crew glowing reports and that incident was used as an example of "these are the procedures in action and how they work" in training.
Ppl under that amount of stress, anxiety and fear can be total loopers. We had passengers complain that the bar was closed. The ships on fire and we're 5mins from gtfo but the REAL problem is the bar is closed?! 😂 The sense of relief a lot of them will have felt when they hit land off that gangway must have been overwhelming though.
Now fluffy will have more material for his comedy. I love his positive attitude.
Yeah, you can bet he includes this accident in his special going forward)
But it’s ok, every comedian basically telling you stories/experiences from their everyday life
Maybe Dave should get his pilots license... just saying, never heard Gab say he was in an accident with Dave driving. Lol
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Where were the positiv part here? He sounds a little bit ridiculous.
It's important for crew and passengers to have a positive altitude, above ground level
You're the Man Kelsey!!!
I'm going to bet Gabriel will stay belted a bit more often in the future and keep his beloved dogs restrained, too.
Or instead he could just say with Dave on the bus. Lol
@@notme2day I can see him making a joke how Dave set him up with a crazy pilot for that flight..
Minor Correction: There are two kinds of slips, and they are used for different reasons. The side slip is used for crosswind compensation, and pilots frequently refer to this as the "wing low" method. The forward slip is used to lose altitude, utilizing the fuselage as drag. I believe you are referring to the forward slip, although I agree this is pretty unusual in a large aircraft!
Interesting and different description . Sail boats can use a similar techniques to stop in place .
The control input is exactly the same… only difference is ground track in relation aircraft centerline.
The Gimli glider did a sideslip; they didn't have much choice in the matter. Incidentally, I'm familiar with the Gimli Motorsports Park for having trashed several sports cars there.
This was (in a good way) a ridiculously specific and helpful way to describe a rare but potentially frightening scenario. I’ve been thankful to watch his videos and read Patrick Smith’s book and blog in order to understand and feel comfortable with my frequent flying. Some of which is at a tiny airport with a 5,000 foot runway where (I now know) I don’t give a damn how hard the landing is on my regional jet, because it means we’ve landed and are safe! Flip side, takeoffs are fun because they spool up the engines way high, then release the breaks and you hit your seat back and FEEL the speed right quick.
The "Uhhhhhmmmhhhh this is the flight deck" accuracy 😂
Yep, I've heard that many times. And if I don't hear the "Uhhhhhh" part of it, that's when I wonder who's REALLY flying the plane!
It's really nice for Kelsey to cover up this topic, or else in TikTok i would have ended up learning something completely different.
when you mentioned the side slip. I thought of Air Canada Flight 143, nick named "The Gimli Glider". which worked out well for that flight.
I always keep my seat belt on, I also always keep my shoes on the whole flight too, Ive learned that if there was an emergency I might not have time to get back them on before evacuating the plane. Think about it lets say some bad turbulence causes damage to the plane that caused it to make an emergency landing and evacuation, if your shoes were off they may have been tossed out of your reach during the turbulence event
So you have to take your shoes off to use the emergency chute, so your argument doesn't make sense.
@@carolinecaiger6717 not if the plan crashes and breaks up on landing and you crawl out of a hole, that has happened before
it was raining in Minneapolis one day when we landed.. lots of weather & bad turbulence & when we hit the ground it was the hardest landing I've ever experienced but... we stopped fast & everyone was safe.. thanks for explaining that, it makes much more sense now
As a very nervous flyer, I find your explanations very comforting. I even did a flying without fear course and it didn’t help as much as your explanations. Thank you.
"The tip doesn't count." Man, I have such a dirty mind.
That tiny little shake of the head that Kelsey made when he said "flew into a big grey cloud"-it was more eloquent than any amount of analysis.
I just started flying on commercial airlines as a passenger and I just experienced the worst landing ever, to the point that I said to other passengers, “Rough landing, huh?”. I had not experienced a hard landing before, but this video sheds light on, “why?”. Thanks for the informatics vid. 👊
My late Mom was on a flight sitting between 2 businessmen. They hit a lot of turbulence and she said the 2 beside her looked nervous. She was reading a really good book and wanted to find out how it ended whether the plane went down or not. I still chuckle to myself picturing Mom clutching her book, calmly reading. ❤🇨🇦
One of my childhood mentors died while reading a book.
@@martharetallick204There are worse ways to go for sure! ❤
😂 AWESOME!
i like your Mom
@@martharetallick204It must have been a killer read.
The slide slip you described sound like when that Air Canada ran out of fuel and they landed in an old air force base in Gimley. And its on air crash investigations. And that was on a 767 i believe. the episode is titled The Gimley Glider.
I was going to write something about it: Gimli Glider, July 23, 1983
Your video with Stella is wonderful. Kudos to you both 👏 🙌 👍
Years ago, I was a passenger on a United B767 landing at Kona, Hawaii. The captain announced that ATC had kept us too high too long and that he was going to do a maneuver that would reduce our altitude rapidly and safely. So he did a slip, which gave me a great view of the runway as we approached. As a private pilot, I understood and enjoyed the experience. However, the other passengers did not, judging by all the screaming!
My husband’s time learning to be a private pilot and studying for his instrument rating really helped me deal with my fear of flying. I’m not an enthusiastic flyer but I do understand what’s happening and I feel more comfortable than I did before “we” learned together. I’m really careful planning my flights and routes because of what I learned too. I flew into CLT from SFO to connect to a flight to GSO one evening and the thunderstorm delayed our landing about 45 minutes. Our approach was rough, there was silence until we were on the ground. It’s the worst I’ve ever experienced and was just a few months after a wind shear had caused a crash on approach of a plane at Charlotte. During our 45 minute layover I called my husband and asked if he’d come get me because the storms hadn’t cleared but they intended to fly anyway and I knew with the short hop we’d not get above it. He got there as the plane left and we drove to Greensboro to pick up my luggage but I didn’t have to deal with the storm turbulence again that night.
Am I right in saying a ‘slip’ is essentially crossing the controls to make the front go to the left and the rear go to the right?
Oh my goodness, I'm scared of flying, I think I would have had a seizure! Two days ago I flew from Europe and landed in Chicago O'Hare and the decent and landing part was super uncomfortable for me. I thought the plane was loosing altitude way too fast during decent which made me think that the pilot didn't know what he was doing or something unsafe was going on as if nobody had control over the plane! I wish I had had a pilot sitting right next to me who could explain these things because I swear the sensation was pretty uncomfortable, it was different then usual:(
@@regularguy3665in a normal turn, you bank the wings and apply sufficient rudder to compensate for any altitude loss. In the case of a slip, after banking the wings, an opposite rudder input will push/drop the side of the aircraft into the wind and the increased drag will drop you faster than normal. Easily recoverable if you release all inputs, as your plane naturally wants to fly into the wind.
@@regularguy3665 Yes, essentially... A "crab" is a little bitty bit off "straight ahead" to compensate for crosswind... A "Slip" is a LOTTA bit sideways to drop a bunch of altitude fast without over-speeding the plane... You can look up the famous "Gimli Glider" incident (just the first off the top of my head) and at least one or two historic air disaster channels have pretty good explanations of just how that works... It was specifically mentioned in Gimli, because the Captain (if I recall correctly) was a long time glider pilot who REALLY knew how to "slip" and that they had ONE (and only ONE) chance at landing the plane on that runway... no go-around because no engines... and they were coming in high and hot...
It's a famous and really good story... worth hearing a couple times, BUT if anybody's got a good reference for the best channel/version, it's probably worth chasing down again... haha ;o)
We miss Stella. You two have great chemistry and I hope you do more videos with her! Thanks for your awesome content!
actually, a guy I worked with did remember a pilot doing a firm landing at a small airport in Alaska. it was particularly noteworthy to him, because it didn't have EMAS, it had a swamp. and there was an airplane in the swamp. he said the only way to land a full size plane was to hit the threshold, and immediately stand on the brakes, go to full reverse thrust, and hang out all the hardware.
I'm a 737 pilot with 9800 hours for Cyprus t airlines i also love flying Cessna 152 as a hobby. I just found your site ,I love it its brilliant well done . thanks Kelsey
Kelsey’s impression of every captains announcement to the passengers is spot on “ Eeeeeyauuuu……” 🤣🤣🤣
I really enjoy watching your videos. I can watch them one after the other. Makes me want to get my pilots license. On second thought, maybe that’s overly ambitious for my age. I’m a 2 million miler as a passenger on a major commercial airline. I’ll stick to being an airline passenger. I’ll keep sailing catamarans across the Atlantic at 10 knots and look to the sky when I hear an airplane traveling at 500 knots. Looking forward to more great videos.
Great analysis! That's my home airport, KRHP, and it was a bad weather day. The mountains are very challenging and the turbulence generated by the nearby mountains is also very challenging on a day like that. I've heard that commercial pilots don't like landing here in jets. He was entertaining at a casino about 40 miles away. Asheville would have been much farther away, but the wiser choice for that day.
Dude you were on fire in this video " We all know the tp doesn't count" and " They do remember when you take your golfstream off-roading" had me in stitches.
Lol Stella would've probably kicked your butt if you did a sideslip. Great video. Thanks.
I wonder what Stella is doing? She doesn't post on her UA-cam channel anymore 😢
@5boysandamom I believe she's taking a break from UA-cam.
My flight school did not allow us to do slips, however my instructor did show me how. When I went for my PPL, my instructor gave me a list of DO NOT list with the FAA and slips was on that list along with crabbing and I'm a short person so did a lot of crabbing. Great explaining and Yep I loved the off-roading comment!
Your aviation content is by far the best on You Tube. Thanks for putting it out there. 🤙🏼
Firm landings remind me of when I would fly into Toncontin airport. Flying around mountains and landing on what seemed like a short runway. I was very grateful for those skilled pilots!!
I love that his first reaction was grab the phone instead of put on the seat belt lmao.
Learn so much from your videos. Nice to hear pilot explain whats happening. Put me more at ease when on a flight.
I was landing in Adelaide in what i believe was a dash 8. super stormy and windy day. runway was soaked. there was a large crosswind and the plane was crabbing so i could see directly down the runway. as an aviation enthusiast i was amazed but the people around me were obviously nervous. I didn’t even feel the plane land! most buttery smooth landing i’ve ever felt. props to those pilots!
One does so enjoy an aviation pun 😂
I feel like I just attended my first lecture at flight school. This has so much interesting and useful information that I will be processing it for days!
FANTASTIC!!! That was THE best and most worthwhile thing I have seen here on any channel!! Perfect explanation and illustrations!! THANK YOU!! Most flyers do not understand up and down drafts and do believe in "air pockets"! This is great!!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for making these videos! I am loving having access to some of these behind the scene moments and piloting basic. I have always been so curious about the science and the policies around flight and this is UA-cam channel is just the best for that kind of information.
Gabriel is a funny guy. He's got a lot of love for his family and his fans. Just great at what he does.
from his shows, podcasts etc he seems like such a likeable guy
Long live Fluffy!
Hopefully he realizes flying distances that are easilly driven isnt worth it.
Great job walking through the interview! The G-IV also has a flight idle feature to reduce the engine spool-up time for a go-around. If the nutcracker switches (squat switches) don't actuate due to the airplane floating the engines will continue at a higher RPM further exacerbating the required runway problem.
Such a thorough analysis Kelsey. When you get bored of flying you should consider a career as an NTSB investigator.
While it's true that passengers will remember especially terrible landings, I can't forget this especially smooth one I experienced on a recent flight to Dallas-Fortworth. This pilot kissed the runway like it was his child's forehead. Perfectly symmetrical touchdown, gentlest transition between air and ground I imagine is possible for a commercial airliner. I stop my car less gracefully this pilot landed us.
I was sitting in the utmost rear of the plane so maybe that made things less jarring than usual, but no doubt it was a beautiful landing.
i think you now explained what happened on a flight I took to Florida in 1977. The flight was going along fine and then the 737 suddenly dropped. I was wearing my seatbelt, so I was ok, but I think several other passengers weren't. There was a lot of screaming (not me), and it sounded like either some passengers or their belongings hit the ceiling above the seats. It was a long time ago, but the event is still quite vivid in my memory. Thanks!
The worst sudden downdrafts I remember were island hopping in Hawaii. Big drops! I wasn't scared, but I was chewing gum for dear life because of my ears. My grandmother, who was a nervous flier, screamed, and I ended up reassuring her that we weren't crashing.
@@maryeckel9682 I only experienced a significant downdraft once. I have been on some pretty turbulent rides on a Dash 6 though.
Your videos are never too long. They're always interesting and informative...sometimes entertaining! Don't second-guess yourself. Please keep doing what you're doing!
fluffy is being extremely smart, he knows cameramen never die
But pardon, his story let him look a little bit like a fool.
@@SebSN-y3f self deprecation is a part of Fluffy's thing.
@@SebSN-y3f Everyone is a fool sometimes. Nobody knows everything, and when you are outside of your knowledge base, you are a fool. I have been a fool a lot of times in my life, and i aint dead yet, which means i am going to be a fool at least a few more times before i die.
He is being a passenger reacting to a frightening flying event. He is just higher profile than the rest of us. His reactions do make him look like a fool. Just like a typical passenger trying to reconcil e what happened.
@@jeromethiel4323 Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone is immature and makes stupid mistakes like Fluffy. I have made plenty of mistakes but I learn from them rather than excusing them as something that just happens. That is the difference between smart people and dummies like Fluffy and you.
That was one of the best 'incident evaluations' I've ever heard/watched on your channel !
It is not an easy thing to explain aeronautical engineering concepts to regular Americans but Kelsey does a great job with humor and common sense.
Yes, indeed!
His sometimes incoherent rambling was worse than usual today. I'd like to see him use a script, or at least some notes
@@NoName-zn1sb so why watch if you are not capable of understanding? A script? You mean like your favorite politician?? Wow!
I love the cheeky off cuff humor mixed with the facts. It’s part of what makes this channel so entertaining.
Regular americans? Wtf do you mean. If you mean stupid just say it dont be a coward.
Grabbing the phone to video. Bless his Heart.
back in the late 90s i used to commute from Logan to Reagan, and the flight was one of these little puddle jumpers, i think it was usually a Saab. One time on the way down, it was really bumpy all the way, there were a few drops like what Fluffy described. one was big enough were i was wondering if it was going to catch again, i had enough time to look to see if we still had wings (we did 🙂) we kept dropping, a few people actually started screaming, then we caught. and it almost felt like we bounced, and we gained altitude rather quickly. i don't know if it was an updraft, or we were skimming the trees, and the pilot wanted to get higher fast, or both. anyway, that 2 hr ish flight felt like about 10. this was pre 9/11, and the pilot was separated from us by a curtain that he had left open. i could see the copilot position from my seat, and it looked like he was doing the flying, he was working that yoke like a rally driver the whole time. when we finally landed it was like silk, smooth and soft. he got applause from all the passengers. a lot of these regional pilots are underrated.
I like the uhhhhhh 😅
Couple decades ago I was listening to the air traffic channel on my rubber hose headphones and a lot of pilots were asking for different altitudes because they were getting a “terrible ride” as I heard one say. Our plane was very bumpy as well. That experience told me the pilots were trying their best and there was no reason to blame them for the weather.
The type of thrust reversers on Gulfstreams are called "clamshell" type thrust reversers. Buckets is a pilot vernacular. The type of reversers on a 747 are called "cascade" type. These are easier to streamline for cruise but weigh more. Clamshells were used on the 737-100/200, and still used on some of the DC-9 and its derivatives. Some smaller private jets have "paddle" type thrust deflectors that kind of act like putting a fan in front of a sail, and the ship goes backwards. These paddle types are not very common. As to the EMAS comment, the FAA actually has 100's of millions of dollars earmarked for municipal airport upgrades to install EMAS at many smaller airports as well as painting enhanced taxi markings. One such example is KBDR in Stratford, CT. They just added EMAS to the ends of RWY6/24 and reduced its width to 100ft. This was done to appease the stupid rich people that moved into houses around the airport and started complaining about the noise. KBDR has been there since before Lindeberg flew the Atlantic, and Igor Sikorsky test flew his first helicopter prototypes there and the whole airfield was taken over by the military for production of the Chance-Vought F4U Corsair during WWII, and there was NOTHING else there except a lighthouse but, bitches, gonna bitch. They already closed one of the runways, and now reduced 6/24. I hate stupid rich people that think the world must cater to their every whim.
Midway in Chicago suffered closure because of these kinds of twits. 😠
The Air National Guard gets grief by some of the ignorant homeowners adjacent to my municipal airport. One group, or individual, living in the area bought a billboard advertisement trying to generate concentrated grief complaining about the F-15s practicing max climb intercepts on full-afterburner. Don't move near an airport if you are so delicate! 🤦♂👂🎧✈
I used to sleep in a dorm right next to the runway at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska with F-15s doing the same thing at all hours - so they should be grateful that then ANG doesn't do that - just during the day. Prior to that, I had T-37s flying over my dorm in Texas at all hours. Those were quieter, but much more annoying because of their nickname - "Tweets." Loudest chirping, birdlike, noise you didn't want to hear zooming over at about 1000 feet above your head. 🤣
@@ssgtmole8610same experiences brother! My first duty assignment was a pilot training base and we flew T-37 Tweets then they moved up to the awesome T-38. I was a jet engine mechanic and worked flight line support so I was often laying underneath the tweet setting fuel stops while running anywhere from idle to full power and I have the worst case of tinnitus you could ever dream of from working on that high pitched bastard!! After I left Columbus AFB, I went to Elgin AFB in Florida an was assigned to the 33rd which was an F-15 squadron. I used to love listening to the 15s/16s doing full burner takeoffs with max climb out. What an absolutely beautiful sound!! It was the same thing there, why do folks outside the gate of the largest military installation in the free world and folks on the other side of the gate know that information yet they are gonna buy the house closest to the runway so that when we are doing our night flights and drills/exercise, they complain to the mayor and base commander about the 15s/16s, and all the other mysterious aircraft we had sitting around at the time from 52s to C5s & B1s, etc. one side of the base is a Tactical 15 unit and the other is the Armament side doing design, testing, engineering, etc so that we maintain the best Armament Arsenal in the entire world and God help us anytime we needed to test some of our amram or shram missilesor or if the A-10s we had there wanted to test out new guns and sometimes we didn’t feel like flying 100 miles off coast like the Karen’s wanted us too. I just don’t fricn get it!! It sounded like Peace & Freedom to me and those bitches need to sit down and shut the F’ up!!!
I love the sound of any fighter at full burner and I love the smell of that JP-4 burning and filling the evening air with that sexy fossil fuel perfume known as jet exhaust!! These ken & Karen’s can just go F’ themselves, we’ve got a mission to go Fly!!!
@@1982MCI Which training base? I was at Laughlin in the 1980s.
Like folks who move next to a dairy farm and complain about the smell.
It's been more than 20 years since I learned to fly, but it sounded to me that you were describing a "forward slip" instead of a "side slip." I turned to google to make sure my memory was correct. :-)
"Both forward and sideslips involve opposite aileron and rudder input. In a forward slip (typically used to increase drag and decrease altitude), the aircraft’s nose points away from the direction of flight, with the lowered wing facing the direction of flight. In a sideslip (typically associated with the final stage of a crosswind landing), the aircraft’s nose points in the direction of flight, regardless of which wing is lowered."
Always wear your seat belt 💺fool! Glad they arrived alive.
But it was funny huh?! Lol.
Grateful Fluffy is okay.
This was an unexpected detective story! Thankyou for posting this, I loved this episode!
I just had the pleasure of "touring" the Aleutian Islands along the coast of Alaska traveling to a very small town. I feel that after 11 hours taking off and landing so many times, I should have pilot wings. All the landing strips (most airport buildings were a couple metal buildings) were very short, all the landings were very hard with braking tossing you forward in your seat.
I just say bravo to the Air Alaska pilots. When I talked to them, both had been (and still were) bush pilots.
I believe that after watching this, I got the most accurate description of the events that transpired on Fluffy's flight. Kelsey, excellent work!!
Excellent breakdown, Kelsey! This reminded me of two separate landing incidents I was in as a passenger (neither was unsafe). Landing at St Louis in an L1011 widebody we had turbulence all the way to the ground and it was bad! My experience up to then was that the plane would normally fly down out of the turbulence but that didn't happen. Lots of white knuckles from experienced air travelers. The captain got applause when he greased it onto the runway. We had been taking bets on how many bounces it would be. We literally could not tell when we stopped flying and started rolling.
The second incident was an arrival at Oakland International in the SF Bay Area on a small jet PSA was flying... smaller than a 737 but I don't know what it was. We came in smacked the runway, bounced back up into the air and came down again. Not sure which pilot made the landing, but I'm sure it was the other one who came on to the cabin intercom and announced "Ladies and Gentlemen; Welcome to Oakland! Twice!" We all cracked up back in the cabin!
It's funny how as a passenger you know approaches you fly often. I used to shuttle between Oakland and Burbank and back for business quite often. We were coming into Oakland one day and looking out the window I see the San Leandro Marina which is about when the plane usually flares. Not only is the nose not coming up, we're slipping from side to side and I'm thinking we're too low and too slow for this! Get the nose up dammit! I think that one was the only landing that bothered me.
Keep up the great work, Kelsey! I love your videos!
Kelsey got those hunter eyes
You know that is weird that they were landing at that airport. He was performing at Cherokee at their new Comedy Club and the drive from either Asheville Regional Airport ( 8000 ft runway) and the Western Carolina Regional airport (5500 ft runway) is about an hour. I guess they wanted to give him a nice view of the Nantahala National Park. He got a view alright. That valley is known for storms forming quickly and being quite sever due to up-sloping winds and high moisture contents from nearby Fontana Lake and the Natahala river. I flew into that airport several times, years ago when it was called Andrews-Murphy airport. It's a tricky little approach as it's tucked into a nice little river valley.
I was just checking out Gabriele's fine collection of VW campers on another UA-cam page and there he is on Kelsey's show. Glad he and the rest on board made it out of that scrape safely.
Kelsey,
I remember a former regional airline from 50 years ago trying to land a DC-9 at the airport in St Thomas, USVI. It was a short runway back then with the ocean at one end of the runway and a big mountain at the other end. This plane was trying to land right after a thunderstorm passed by. The runway had not completely drained much less dried when he made his approach. Guess what happened? He touched down, applied the brakes and reversers and he couldn’t stop. He hydroplaned along the entire length of the runway, across the grass apron, through the chain link fence, across the road and ended up crashing into a gas station. A woman was hit and lost her leg.
There was, I believe a direct correlation between the thunder storm and the amount of water on the runway. If the pilot had known this, I guess he could have made a hard landing to get the wheels on the ground, but I’m not sure that would have stopped the plane. Landing on a wet runway can be a challenge, especially if the pilot doesn’t know how bad it is.
Yikes! Still counting my blessings that my pilot recovered the fishtail after our skid off the runway in the snow storm! (posted separately) That's a heck of a story!
Great video as always. One comment though. You are describing the maneuver used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed as a side slip. That would be a forward slip, named as such because the airplane’s direction of motion continues the same as before the slip was begun, with the longitudinal axis at an angle to create drag by exposing the side of the fuselage. The side slip is used for crosswing landings, where the longitudinal axis is paralell to the flight path, but in reality you are "sideslipping through the xwind moving airmass to stay on centerline. I know it sounds counterintuitive, and a lot of people tend to make the same mistake. the diagram you show shows a sideslip and you can see the longitudinal axis being parallel to the rwy. You can review the Airplane Flying Handbook (FAA-H-8083-3C), pages 9-12 to 9-14. Keep up the great videos! BTW, I love Fluffy!
Great comment...thanks
Worst I ever experienced was coming into Gatwick (UK), about 200 feet above the start of runway we heard the engines rev up then a couple of seconds later we did a hard left turn then climbed rapidly. It seems there was another plane on the runway. There were several gasps, one scream and a child crying. Whilst in the 'go-round' the pilot explained. Other than that, there were some horrible 'grumbling' noises on one flight, we landed, taxied to what I think was a maintenance area and waited for buses to come and take us to the terminal.
Had similar at Heathrow. Coming in at night, normal approach on 27L. Watched the roofs of cargo companies after Hounslow underneath. I could see building lights almost at touchdown, so about 200ft waiting for the bump and suddenly the engines spooled up full power and we climed very quickly banking left over Staines and out over North Surrey, over mum and dad's house near Woking and back round to land normally.
Pilot said on the abort it was due to an emergency vehicle on the runway. Nah! I didn't see any blue lights or amber service vehicle lights. Never found out the real reason, but was fun. Apart from young lady next to me clutching a teddybear for dear life. I did give words of comfort to her and not to worry.
If happens......just always keep seatbelt on when seated and know where the exits are and don't panic. My golden rules.....
Love the breakdown. Item by Item. Makes such sense as you take out the other possible variables. Great Job.
Years ago we flew into Laredo with a plane load of vacationers and the touchdown was so hard the passengers clapped after! I have told the story many times because it was very uncomfortable. Part of the anxiety was the pilot hiccupped during the normal address to the cabin before landing. We thought he was drunk!( Lol. I remember the plane turning left at the end of the runway to taxi in to the "gate" and saw the ocean like right there! All these years later and now I understand the hard landing -- it was a short runway with nothing but the ocean at the end.
When I was young, I used to fly a lot as an unaccompanied minor between DFW and Houston, originally on Braniff, then on Southwest, mostly DC9's and DC10's as I recall, but one trip was with a little regional called Chaparral and was a little twin prop 8 seater, it's the only time I've been in a plane that small, and we flew through some of the worst weather I've been in between Meacham Field and Hobby. There's such a difference in what you can feel, and it was my first experience with heavy crabbing on landing, I remember looking out my SB window and being able to look straight down the runway as we came in.. Figure this was probably late 70's..
As a resident of Chicago,I fly in and out of MDW all the time and am used to the hard landings and straight up take offs even though I would definitely prefer a longer runway than 6,522.
Hi John chicagoan here too and I did a lot of flying in and out of MDW years ago a very fun and challenging airport and airspace. How about the late great CGX Meigs field. Now that was a hoot to land on at night. Better have perfect brakes!!
I have family a few blocks away from MDW, and it's cool to see the planes come and go when I visit.
Like I said before your channel is the reason I took my first flight ever at 43 yrs old. Had a death fear of just getting near a plane. Now it literally the funnest thing I’ve ever done smile the whole time ! That being said if your ever in Buffalo ny area and can get ahold of a plane I’d love to see what that slip technique is all about lol
If you search Hyannis airport plane lands in road- a story from 2000 comes up. I lived nearby when it happened. And honestly with the layout of that airport I’m amazed it didn’t happen more often.
I recently discovered your channel. I'm really enjoying your presentations and all the information you give your viewers. Really love hearing about all your travels and your stories.
I loved this video just because I heard coming in at an angle and I immediately thought "Crabbing due to crosswinds," something I learned by watching Kelsey. Then he immediately goes on to suggest that and how it's probably not the case due to the approach. Both were great moments. Keep it up!
Fluffy has now got years of content for his stand up. Looking forward to it.🎉
I'm not a pilot, but a FF- and I *hate* flying into Midway. It seems to me to be as close to a carrier landing that a civilian can get- at least at a major US airport.
If you've got better (or worse LOL) recommendations- let me know- I'm also a big rollercoaster aficionado, so I might need to check it out.
Thanks for another excellent vid
Had a hard landing at Midway too. Also despise flying into that one.
Agree- although I confess I've never made a carrier landing outside of DCS.
But yeah- not a big fan of Midway.
Dang I'm so glad he's ok. This dude been making me laugh for 20 years
Love your channel, find it entertaining and so informative!
Having been a passenger in a small plane that 'crab landed' like that and veering off the short runway - that after mechanical problems, I have to say it was super scary compounded by the naturally challenging runway, but the weirdest parts of it stuck in my head afterward lol. (that is after my hands steadied and my legs could carry me properly again lol)
The crash was probably because the pilots were laughing too much! In all seriousness, glad that everyone's ok. Good work as always Kelsey!
Fluuuuuuuuuuuffy!
Said from the guy who's obviously never hit a cow on a dark country road at night. Trust me you hit a cow in anything your going to know you hit something big. Lol. Damn cow spinned my friends little Datsun around about 15 times and by the time all the spinning stopped we jumped out thinking we'd find at least a injured cow. Nope while we were spinning i guess he walked his big ass off into the field through the fence that he apparently got out of earlier. This was my graduation night back in 83, hence the Datsun 🚗. Lol. I can't believe it but one of the biggest nights of my life and I was sober so I remember this whole event. Btw when I grew up i became a paramedic and the FAA had a major airline crash scenario that we had to go and play medical for the day. The co pilot supposedly was killed or severely injured by cow that was in the field that the had a real plane that was seriously f'd up and people hanging out everywhere on the plane and in the field and one guy actually had a cow trying to lick his face. Of course he was supposed to be dead but he was dying of laughing. What a day. So apparently if a plane hits a cow exactly the wrong way it supposed to do damage. This was back in the 80s maybe things have changed but I believe that the scenario we did the nose went directly into the ground and I suspect they had the idea of a cow being unlucky enough to be standing there. They threw everything at us even firefighters getting snake bitten trying to get into the crash site. God i was glad when that nightmare ended when my ambulance broke down. Threw a wrench into the FAAs well planned day lol
Lol I remember landing in DWS in very strong wind. The pilot did let us know we were going to land much faster than normal. Thirty years of traveling that was one of the more interesting landings. Nice job!
Much faster than normal into DWS’s 2,000 foot runway that handles only STOL aircraft? Sounds very interesting.