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Interesting and informative video Peter, many thanks. I have one of the smaller Scheppac suitcase type dust extractors (identical to your Aldi one) and I'm very pleased with it. It is infact my second one as I burnt the first one out. I blame myself not the machine as I repeatedly ran it for hours on end attached to a sander with limited air flow, sanding everything from paint to fibreglass, causing it to get very hot. The poor thing didn't stand a chance really. I had no hesitation buying another and I will be a little more mindful and considerate to this one. What was a little annoying and this may be of interest to others on here: I telephoned the distributor spare parts helpline to enquire about getting a new motor for my first one and they said they don't even produce a replacement motor for it. They consider the whole machine disposable and non repairable. This is crazy to me as the rest of the machine is fairly robust and still in good order. I still have it, dead as it is, as I can't bear for it to go to landfill. I'm hoping I might stumble across a generic motor that will fit.
Thanks for the info! Seems a very shortsighted approach to repairs - especially given the current anti-plastic disposable climate! 👍👍
Great review on something every workshop needs
I've got the SIP used with a cyclone and a waste drum (semi-mobile version). I'm pretty happy with it. I reduced the diameter of the hose (80mm). And about 5m long covers the spread of my tools in the workshop. This combination works even with a Makita thicknesser.
One of the nice things about Lidl power tools is the long leads, typically 4 meters.
Hi Peter, I have a Record dust extractor which filters down to 0.5 micron. When I return to the workshop I find a very thin layer of extremely fine wood dust covering my black tool cabinet. This fine dust cannot be coughed up and is extremely dangerous to health long term. And I only use plywood!! Oak dust and MDF dust (with formaldehyde) are carcinogenic. I’ve lost 2 neighbours to fine dust lung cancers and a 3rd is in a hospice. Now I’ve learned more about fine dust and lungs I’m going to spend over £500 for a class M dust extractor (with HEPA filter). My long term health is worth more than £500. I hope this helps you and your followers. Best wishes for Christmas.
Thanks Christian! Yes, this is only to use with the CNC, maybe the table saw; I have a much better extractors available for anything that produces fine dust. 👍👍
Hi Peter. Not entirely sure if this has been bought up before, but one of the reason many manufactures release only a 2m cable is to do with EMC compliance rules (attached with CE). If the cable is less than 2 to 3m, then the product does not have to go through such stringent testing. I have seen this happen quite a few times where companies try to cop out this.
Thanks Tim. I hadn’t heard of that one, but it makes an unfortunate amount of sense! Bought a compressor that had 3 feet of cable attached - not even a metre!🤷♂️! 👍👍
Hiya Peter, I just got a Vacmaster WD-l30. It’s a really fantastic machine. Super long mains cable, steel barrel, has several filters, 69db. It’s a real competitor to the expensive Bosch or Festool machines at £129
I’ll take a look, thanks! 👍👍
For reference www.cleva-uk.com/collections/l-class-wet-dry-vacuum-cleaners/products/vacmaster-wd-l30
I am amazed that people complain about hose quality (comments). You’re getting 2m of adequate 100mm hose and the top stuff costs £10 per m. You’re also getting a full set of adaptors. I suspect the hose is up to permanent attachment to one machine or a ducting blast gate. For constant tooing and froing and clamping/re-clamping, £20 on hose that’s up to that is hardly a deal breaker, especially as the basic machine seems both robust and very functional. Did you get the free pot of jam with yours?
The stingy lead is part of a growing trend. America, in its fine tradition of exporting the worst of its culture, has provided us with an aggressively marketed legal profession. It will be looking to maintain the litigious culture and its next income stream when the ‘benefits’ of its weekly call about your whiplash injuries are taken from its grasping hands. ‘Elf & Safety’ is somewhere it is constantly sniffing around. A 2 m lead is less likely to be cut, tripped over or overheat from remaining coiled. Instead you’ll have to cut, coil or trip over an extension lead and not the one that’s permanently attached to your machine. So your fault, not the machine’s manufacturer - and it keeps them out of the grasps of a Solicitors’ income generation ‘scheme’.
Wait a minute - nobody told me I could get a pot of jam... I’m calling the lawyers 😂😂 Agree with you on all other points, though the folks commenting about the hose do seem to have actually owned and used it, which makes a change - though as you say, it’s probably intended as a static machine first and foremost. 👍👍
Bryan, my tube split despite being used with the vac static. There was obviously some movement but this was not the back and forth of hand sanding, continual and repetitive, but more one movement of the table saw away from the wall and one back after a job was finished. I think, even if used as you suggest connected to a blast gate that this tube would still deteriorate rapidly. I saved some of the unsplit sections thinking they'd come in useful at a future date but even left untouched on the shelf, every time I picked them up there'd be another split. It became an experiment in monitoring the degradation over the course of a couple of months until I threw away the useless remnants.
@@sewob147 Fair comment. I stand corrected. How much did a decent piece of hose cost?
Peter, on the basis of your review I've purchased this shop vac and am so pleased with it.
My previous shop vac, when used with my Triton thicknesser wouldn't clear the chippings and the extraction hood on the thicknesser would end up blocked; with the Sheppach it cleared the chippings easily.
I, in my ignorance, would have thought that a larger hose would give less suction; how pleased I was to be proved wrong.
Thanks again Peter, your videos are very helpful and very well presented.
Thanks Richard, I really appreciate the feedback! 👍
Thanks Peter !
Nicely done Peter 😁. I have had one of these units for a couple of years now. You won't be disappointed with its performance 👍. I have mine static and piped very simular to Keith's but I do use a different chip extractor for my Fox planer. The comment about hose splitting.... That WILL happen very quickly, so I recommend ordering some of the clear flexy stuff sooner rather than later. But it is a good vac overall. Keep up the great vids 😁👍.
Thanks Frank! 👍👍
@@XX99XXL 😁 Hi TT. My unit is static and has a short section of flex hose direct from the can. But it is at quite an angle before it attaches to a solid pipe. So it is always under some tension and is exposed to some heat, this leads to premature cracking. I would recommend getting a better more flexible hose as a replacment if it ever cracks. Otherwise the same issue will happen again. I hope that helps TT 😁👍
@@XX99XXL 😁 Sounds like a bargain. I'm sure it will serve you well. Thanks for the reply. Stay safe 😁👍
I’ve had one for a couple of years Pete. Happy with it apart from the noise.
Hello Peter. Great video as always. Very clear. I have a record power RSDE2 which I've had for years and it's been brilliant. Used only with portable machines but, excellent for power planer and biscuit jointer. It has the mobile base as well which has been a godsend when it's full. Mine also recommends taking the ring off the lid. I think it's more for holding the lid on during transport but, without reading instructions don't quote me on that. Keep up the great work you do.
Thanks! 👍👍
I have the same one, I have a cyclone system for it.I like it. First day I got it I put it on a table to attach the pipe to the cyclone. I bent the flexi pipe to fit on the cyclone, the force of bending inadvertently made the unit slide in the opposite direction. The unit slid across the length of the table (about 1 metre) but I thought it was ok because I was holding the pipe. However when the unit reached the end of the table it detached itself from the push fitted pipe and fell to the floor smashing the black housing on the top. I tried to get a replacement but gave up after 2 phone calls and browsing a catalogue. However a roll of duck tape did the trick and I've used it every day for 2 years without a problem but everyday I look at it and I curse the manufacturer knowing that a couple of rubber feet would have saved the day for me.
Thanks for the vid Peter, great stuff.
Cheers Peter - sounds like the kind of thing that happens to me, lol! 👍👍😂😂
Design looks identical to the Lumberjack Shop VAC the Ooznest guys recommend for use with their Workbee CNC machine, except the Lumberjack can be had for about £30 less, is a little more powerful (1200W) and filters to a smaller particle size (0.3 microns rather than 0.5). [edit: I’ve since seen this advertised as 0.3 micron, and 0.5 micron. Since it looks like an identical rebranded design to the scheppach, I expect the filtration particle size is actually the same and there is just some inaccuracy in the various listings on this point. The motor is definitely 1200W though, which is a step up)
I have a charmwood vac the almost the same as this. Had it for more years than I can remember and works great, got it connected to 9m of 67mm flexible duct to vac stays in one place but can reach all tools and corners in the workshop.
Nice, thanks! 👍👍
I have this and that "heavy duty" hose tears easily and develops tears in the creases.. You will need lots of ducktape for patching up. You might be alright though if you're not moving it around constantly.
and 100% need ear protection when in use.
Yep mine is covered in tape
@@petercurtis9297 I've had the Record one for 3 years now, it has a different clear tube with a wire reinforcing it. It has no rips and I am not kind with it and it gets dragged about all the time.
Cool Vac, cool Video - as always. Keep doing it the way you are doing it. The 10minute idea is brilliant and its helping me! Thank you!
Thanks! 👍👍
I replace the cables with my own! I cut the cables off every dead tool I find - often vacuum cleaners. They seem to think we're going to have to use an extension anyway so "why not" . If you're using a double or quad extension even being tethered to that is a pain - specially with tools that move - like plunge routers, circular saws etc.
I've got a clone of scheppach - Meec from Jula hardware store, bought in Poland for 400 pln (60-65 ish pounds). I made a cyclone (50 mm) and a cart to move the whole system freely. It works great for my bandsaw and as a vacuum cleaner. I also made a tray to collect a dust from beneath the bandsaw table- works like a dream. Hearing protection is needed anyway so I don't care about the noise. the vac is cheap but suprisingly good.
Love the tray idea, thanks! 👍
Cheers for the shoutout Peter. The Sceppach looks decent, shame I didn't spot that one before I bought the DX 1000, have a good weekend!
Pleasure Keith! I think the Record's a pretty solid machine (and I seem to recall you got a bit of a deal on it, lol!) so I'm sure it'll do sterling service. Good weekend yourself! 👍👍
I use a very similar dust collector, got it from Rutland though - looks like an unbranded version of the Record Power ones. I use it for sanding on the lathe only, it's easy to store it away under the bench and I've got the hose routed up through the bench top so it's easy to hook up lathe dust collection when sanding and a smaller vac hose for cleaning up chips.
They work well enough but they're certainly noisy. It's not as good as a 'proper' dust collector but if you've got limited space it's an option.
“Scheppach shopvac”😂😂
Good job you had your teeth in.
Hi Peter. Thanks for the review. I have put one on my Christmas list.
Just got one last night from rutland 69 pounds at the moment black Friday deals and its very similar in spec and works well how could it not for that price
LoL me too 👍😎😁😂
I ended up buying this after watching the video :D I am very pleased so far.
Cheers Goran! Yes, working well for me too! 👍👍
Interesting, I have the Lumberjack version which dancers quite violently if it starts to block up. I have this linked to the Triton bucket, DCA300, this saves wrestling when emptying the large drum and disconnecting the clamps, also saves on the bag filter.
Thanks Peter, as ever for informative content.
Thanks! 👍
I have a 70 litre one and think its fantastic.....does a great job. Hose needs patching after a while...gorilla tape helps! Also fitted it with a flexible rubber hose stepped down to 50mm for my hand tools. Why spend more? I also run a home made room dust filter bix which is very quiet and filters 160m3/hr to help strip fine dust from the air in a small workshop....cost me £80 to build.
Sounds great! 👍👍
A useful review - thanks Peter
Glad it was helpful!
Regarding supplied cable length. I am not sure this true but I was told some time ago when we were in Europe that legislation limited the amount of cable length for safety reasons.
I have this in DJM branding. I agree with you about the cable although I've negated that slightly as my planer and table saw are on castors so I can bring them closer to the vac. The supplied pipe is poor and had to be replaced within six months as it went brittle, a local Bradford supplier provided an excellent and more durable alternative. I've tried it with hand tools and it's great but the step down kit and inner tube adapted pipes required make it quite unwieldy I find and I think I'd prefer to have something like the Aldi one you tested for these. Those caveats and adaptations aside it's a fine piece of kit, I paid c£99 and it's been a great addition working faultlessly for nearly three years now.
Good to know, thanks! 👍👍
I also had this one. The rubber on the filter cartridge broke after a few weeks. I ordered two replacement items and those also broke within a few weeks. Finally, since it got louder and louder over time, I replaced this vac with a small Metabo. Hope yours is better.
Me too! 🤷♂️👍
Peter, I have a Record Power version that looks pretty similar to your one. Hidden in the instructions it stated remove the clip from the lid when using. The clip is only required to carry it about. Like you I made a mobile base for it - so the clip is hung up in the workshop. Check your instructions carefully.
Interesting - I wonder why? I'll check the manual, and obvs. the suction would hold the lid on in use, but why specify to have the lid loose I wonder?? Thanks! 👍
I've just rechecked my instructions. It's in the section 'Before switching on the machine'. On the Record Power version it's called a transit strap and is only used to protect the item during transit. It actually states....'do not use this machine with the transit strap fitted'. The parts diagram confirms that item is the 'transit strap'. Many of these machines look the same. I've had mine a couple of years and it cost less than £100 with a five year guarantee. It does a good job.
I've got the Clarke version from machine mart, had it over a year and works well apart from the fact it had plastic grate on the adaptor where the hose enters the cylinder, not a brilliant idea when reasonable size shavings are trying to go through it! This gave me a headache trying to clear the blocked pipe with a broom handle as with its suction power they compact rather well. Needless to say it no longer had a grate!
Great review Peter, I would concur with your other viewers, the pipe will split in time.
Thanks Andy - mine has a ‘grate’ as well, possibly not for long! 😂👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop lumberjack has same cross grate, and very noisy. I have bought a vacmaster m class for just over £200 and measured the air flow with both having the same dia hose ends fitted at the time to be fair, the lumber jack was 180 and the vacmaster was just about 400 on the machine and the vacmaster is 78 sound level and lumberjack seems to be twise as loud, though not got any measurement on box. The bigger plus for me is the vacmaster has a pto socket, and filter cleaner button, I tried a 4" diy version cyclone on the lumber jack, but it seamed to loose to much suck. so it is demoted to use on mitre saw only and cyclone retired.I have however purchased a 75mm cyclone from china for just over £60 all in compared to my 4" axminster cyclone costed £125. makes the 75 mm a total bargain! this is to be fitted to vacmaster as it has so much suction but not a 4" port but a 58mm port with its hose goes down to 40mm so here's hoping they match well
i’ve been considering this unit. so thanks for the review
i have the rutlands version of this for my drum sander, it works well but is noisy, im planning on adding the axminster metal 4 inch cyclone inline and boxing in the extractor for noise reduction, i will have to leave vents for airflow but it should be a big improvement. annoyingly the 4 inch hose supplied with mine is the clear version and its not 100 mm but around 95mm, so i had to make adaptors for the inlet on my sander and the extractor. apart from that its good value.
Hi there, I purchased and have owned the SIP extractor for roughly a couple of years, it works great and has loads of power. Mine is on a shop made base with wheels as I move mine around for the machine I am using at that time ... works well but too powerful to link with smaller hose for use with my metabo and makita sanders, needs a splitter maybe which I can let extra flow come through ...
Cheers Chris! Appreciate the info, thanks! 👍👍
I've used a Record DX4000 as my main extractor for years and it has been superb, but I think one of these or the Rutlands which seems to be the same as the entry level Record(and I think is on offer for about £70) would be ideal for my new mitre saw station. On the subject of cable length and noise, I have a Dewalt DWV901l for hoovering up filthy stuff. The suction is fantastic and the filtration is the same as the m class model, but the cable is only 2.4 metres long which is shockingly stingy for a professional tool. And as for the noise - I can't find my sound meter, but its like a military jet engine on full afterburner in a tin shed - and that's with ear defenders on!
Thanks! 👍👍
I think the short cable is to keep the case's of the tool as small as possible as a longer cable would result in a bigger case and more wire reducing manufacturers profits I personally would like to see a minimum cable length of 3 meters some manufacturers do this so why not all
On certain equipment a two metre cord is standard fitting to prevent it trailing across the workshop and being damaged by other equipment crushing or cutting.
Of course the obvious answer then is to move the workshop wall with the socket closer to the machine.
Seriously, Either you work for a distributor/reseller or you've been drinking their Kool-aid (as the Yanks put it). OF COURSE THE CORDS ARE MADE SHORT TO SAVE MONEY. Copper is expensive nowadays, as the whole World wants it. These machines are cost-reduced in manufacture as much as possible, because pennies add up. I used to work for a big manufacturer - we would have many discussions over accessories to include, and even how many languages in the booklets.
Anyway, a too-short cable leads to much more dangerous practices, especially in the UK with fuses in standard 13A plugs. Extension cables not only have extra fuses (chained fuses = bad), but the plug+socket lump, lying on the floor, attached to a cable, somewhere arbitrarily near an operating cutting machine, is a really, really bad idea, especially if two people are operating a machine together. It even lifts the cable off the deck, by just enough to make it a really good trip hazard. Sadly, too, the design of the UK plug means it won't naturally disconnect if the cord is pulled (Schuko and most other ones will, which is a lot safer). Teach the apprentices the right way - if the cable is too long, coil the excess under the socket outlet, not next to the operating machine...
@@simon-d-m is coiling cable a good idea,won't cable get warm coiled up?
In short, not in this context, if the cable is properly sized and has plenty of air round it.
I have not checked in many years but there used to be a maximum regulated length of cable of around six feet for portable machines?
Hi Peter,
Only recently found you on you-tube and am finding your videos so very useful, thanks. One comment on this one; I've just bought the " Lumberjack" version which seems to be another "badged" version. One very big criticism; one needs to unscrew the hose from the tin to empty it, surely this could have been made a push fitting like the other end? Thanks again for your videos, I'm slowly working my way through them.
Thanks and welcome! Yes, it’s a pain about the hose - I have to admit I just leave it attached when I empty it. 🤷♂️👍
I have a Charnwood model, similar spec. I have mine connected to a thein seperator, buried in the corner of the workshop along with its noisy neighbour the compressor. It's not the decibel count that hurts on mine, it's the pitch or whine of the motor or impellor, so I have surrounded it with polystyrene and old blankets ( ventilated from outside). Doesn't do much on the Decibels (72 down to 70) but cuts out the annoying whine
I'm not sure the filter micron level is realy that useful on mine, as it displaces so much air and dust from workshop surfaces there is a potential dust cloud before the tool is switched on.
Mine draws quite a lot of power on start up, and I blew up my power tool take off thingy so yours may not work with Hifi/TV type switches.
Thanks Richard! Yes, I agree WRT the air displacement - and the 'whine' of the motor! 👍👍
This looks a lot like my Record Power DX1000. My biggest bug bear, like yours, is how short the power lead is!
Lots of ‘shared’ dna I think, amongst these machines. And yes, crazy short mains lead! 👍👍
Peter i have the SiP version of this machine you mentioned. I must say i am pretty disappointed with mine. It is loud and does not have a lot of suction. Have it connected to a bandsaw and it misses more dust/chips than it collects, maybe though bandsaws are not a good example but powers tools also gave the same result. Also have the same planer/thicknesser but in titan brand and this is absolutely fantastic for the money, used it to plane down oak fence posts to make gates from and theses came out really smooth.
Sorry to hear that Richard, but thanks for letting me know! I wouldn't judge the extractor too harshly based on the performance with a bandsaw, but if it's across all tools then fair enough! And yes, the Titan gets good reviews generally - I just fancied something with a bit more capacity 👍👍
Lol at 'suck the chrome off a bumper', reminds me of one my Grandfather used use-suck a golf ball through a garden hose..
C13 & C14 plugs are your friend (uk.rs-online.com or similar have them) when it comes to tools with short leads; swap the standard 13A plug on the tool for a C14 plug, you can get some 3 core 2.5sqmm flex and standard plugs and make up a selection of interchangeable different length leads (standard plug >C13) much neater than extensions and you can have longer ones for site work etc. Similar to Festool's plug-it.
Thanks -!yes, you can get lockable ones too, I think. 👍👍
That is what I'd suggest - except I know them as 'IEC' connectors. Most of my tools are now fitted with them and I use surplus leads from Computers as the mains outlet to cable plug. Great safety feature on some power tools as in an emergency just pull on the lead to break the mains supply. Have one extension lead that's 15yds long fitted with in-ine IEC socket. So, so useful.
very good review. very useful. Thank you.
Thanks! 👍
Currently running a Clarke Vacum Dust Extractor, virtually identical, find it suits my needs satisfactorily, only issues that I've had (and I stress it's my issue) is that it doesn't lend itself well to portability, have used it indoors whilst sanding staircase case down found heavy to use (again not what its designed for) back in the workshop cant fault it 👍👍
Thank you I need an extractor for my Triton planer as my industrial Vacumn cleaner can't cope
I've had one for a few months, works okay . Suction hose is rubbish .It split very early on. Not worth the hassle of warranty claim , just tape it up and wait for the next split . None of the adapters supplied fit the Scheppach table saw ! Power cord too short , but it's about the same as on my sanders and angle grinder.
Ha! Somehow the fact that it doesn't fit the table saw seems not at all surprising and all too believable! 👍
I purchased the DC 100 from their main distributor in Brighouse England.
In my opinion it did not do what I expected.
When using it with my small lathe it wouldn’t pull the wood shavings and dust up the pipe (Only a few inch from my work)
I tried to return but they wouldn’t except the return saying that it had been used
Of cause it’s been used otherwise I wouldn’t have found out that it’s useless
Be careful when buying Scheppach
Try it with a 65mm hose. Makes a big difference.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I will try that, but to be honest the way I have been treated by this Scheppach dealer
I have lost all faith in Scheppach and will never consider buying their product again
I have the Record Power DX4000 as pretty much my only dust control. It's basically the same design as this but twin motor and larger capacity. One gripe I have is that it tends to choke itself. It's so powerful the machine will fill with chips and half fill the hose before you notice anything is wrong. That makes emptying a right pain as chips and fine dust goes everywhere. I'd be interested to know if this is the same. I also find the machine tends to run a bit hot if I'm using it with the input choked down like you do for a power tool. It's ok on something like the thicknesser where it feeds from a 100mm hose though.
Thanks! I’ll know more about it as I get rounds it more, but yes, I’d expect it to run hot when it’s stepped down to a smaller hose. Don’t expect to do that much tbh, as I have other vacs for plunge saw, sanders etc... 👍👍
Get hose from Ebay, clear with wire reinforcement - lots of sizes and hose clips available. I have another brand of this type of extractor, their pretty generic. One day I'll pipe it up semi-properly in 50mm with a mini cyclone I've had laying around for longer than my sons been alive 😂😂
Best to take these things slowly... 😆👍👍
pretty quiet for a dust collector, shame its not 1200watts, it could be used with a cyclone 1100 is a bit weak for a complete system, but its cheap!
What looks like the next one up (1200w and 65l) currently online at Aldi for £110.00.
Good to know, thanks! 👍
i bought a lumberjack one at xmas that looks the same. oddly none of the attachments fit anything i have so i have to tape them up.
I bought one. I think it is terrible. The hose tore almost immediately in numerous places. I wanted to work with my bandsaw and is suction was pathetic with the 100mm port. With my lathe it doesn’t move enough air to capture the sanding dust. It doesn’t suck.
Interesting - the same exact model? And can I ask when you bought it? As I say in the idea, I’m less than impressed with the 100mm suction, but when you start to step it down it’s outstanding; better than any of the festool vacs I have. 👍👍
Love this . I would love to get one of these it looks like a really nice brand. - New friend Ruthie
Thanks Ruthie! 👍👍
Just got Rutlands £69.95 on offer, one similar with a metal top 🤔 must measure the cable???? Comes with the clear flexible hose. Anything in the shop that l'm likely to use on site a put a neutrik 16amp socket and have a couple of 13amp to neutrik outlets on the van, them l'm not tripping over loads of leads sort of Festool Plugit 😂🤣😂😎
😂👍👍
has this got more power than the Aldi shop vac? after a new vac for my vacuum former. Thanks
No idea I'm sorry. I think the Aldi is a regular wet & dry vac with a standard hose - this one's a 100mm dust & chip collector,. different animals really. 👍
Excellent point re cables our Makita Sander drives me nuts, as the cable is shorter than the hose on the shop vac. Why ? Great content learnt loads from this site!
Thanks! 👍👍
Is there anything to stop you from using a standard vacuum cleaner instead of buying a shop vac? I'm looking at a bagless Henry. I'm not running a business like yourself, it's just a hobby for me so won't be in use all day and can be emptied at the end of each day I use the workshop or every couple of days. I've got many days worth of sawdust around my mitre saw and it won't even half fill a Henry.
Domestic vacs may not last as long as one specifically designed for commercial applications, but one thing you have to watch for is the air flow; domestic hoovers wont provide enough 'suckage' (technical term) over a fatter pipe like this Scheppach has, so a Henry might be fine for a mitra saw or sander (filtration concerns aside) but would be no good for a planer/thickness, and even a big router may make them choke. But sure, for smaller stuff a henry would probably be fine.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I was only thinking of a domestic vac because I know how awesome the Henry models are and found a second-hand one for £50. After posting my question I found a one you use on Amazon for just £114. Seems a no brainer to me - going to save up for one of those instead :)
Hi Peter, I've a smaller workshop and was keen to pull the trigger on one of the aldi suitcase type vacuums, any thoughts on which one you would buy, this one or the aldi/festool copy? It'll be used for small tool use, circular saw and sander mainly. Also do you think either could be mounted up high and still have the 'suck' to work and lift debris up 2m in height into the bin? Thanks and keep up the good work on the channel.
Thanks Colin! Are Aldi still doing the little ‘suitcase’ type vac? I thought they’d stopped them, but I could be wrong. Between the two I’d go for this one, all day long. It’s bigger, but has much more suck, Apparently Lidl are doing a wet & dry vac with power take-off that looks good value at ~£40 👍👍
Have had an axminster branded one for a few years. Keep an eye on the hose, as the original one very quickly developed a load of splits.
Thanks Peter for an informative review, from which i have a question.
Firstly some background info. I have a single garage workshop and until recently my wet/dry vacuum along with a simple 2nd stage (20Lt) drum cyclone has done the job for me.
Recently my vac gave up the ghost so after looking at a number of alternatives and seeing your review of the Sheppach i decided to commit.
Especially given that I’ve recently acquired a DeWalt table saw, band saw and bench sander/linisher, all with 2 1/2” extraction ports.
Unfortunately I’ve had no luck in building a 2nd stage that worked! I’ve tried 4” in - 2 1/2” out, 4” in - 1 1/2
‘ out, 2 1/2” in and out and even 4” (Drum) to 2 1/1” (2nd Stage inlet) in and 2 1/2” out.
In all scenarios i have a major pressure drop?
I’ve tried direct 4” to 2 1/2” (no 2nd stage) and pressure is maintained.
Do you think the problem could be in the affect of the volume of the 2nd stage drum?
So, to my question, have you or any of your followers been successful in creating a 2nd stage system that works with this Scheppach?
And if so could you provide details as to how it was built?
Regards Graham (Australia)
Hi Graham, and thanks for the question; I don’t have an answer I’m sorry, as I’ve only ever used this vac direct - 4” to 2.5” and a long 2.5” hose works very well - but hopefully someone will have an answer for you before too long. My guess would be too large a capacity in then2nd stage, but it’s just a guess. 🤷♂️👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop wow!
Thanks Peter for such a quick response. Can't believe you're monitoring at the early hour there!
It would be great to hear if anyone has been succesful in creating a 2nd stage but i also suspect that the 2nd stage volume is the issue.
Maybe I'll just have to put up with cleaning the filter?
Cheers
Hey Graham, no problem - I respond to a lot of comment over breakfast! Sorry I can’t be of any more help, but fingers crossed someone with more direct experience of 2nd stage will be able to. When Inget back to the computer I’ll pin this thread to the top, so hopefully more folks will see it. Cheers, Peter 👍👍
Hi again Peter,
I’ve learned another lesson this past week!!
Before assuming that a plan doesn’t work potentially because the new equipment isn’t suitable for the task, check your own first!!!
In reviewing what i had done i found that all my connections were good and not leaking, so i connected another vacuum (similar to my old wet and dry one) and found the problem was still a massive lose of suction.
So i checked everything again. And again everything was good, however this time i looked more closely at the drum and found it had cracked right across the bottom. How it cracked i don’t know but i replaced it and the problem was solved.
I’m now very happy with the result. The 2nd stage works perfectly!!!
So the final working system is 4” from Scheppach to a 2 1/2” outlet on the 2nd stage drum, though a Thien baffle. The 2nd stage inlet allows for either a 2 1/2” or 1 1/2” flex tube to the machine. I’d be happy to attach a pic of my system if someone can tell me how?
Hope this helps others that might be considering building a 2nd stage in particular to prolong the life of their filters.
And thanks for allowing my ramblings!!
Cheers
Graham
Did you use a piece of cycle inner tube to connect to a extraction hose in one of your videos, if so could you advise on the size. Also may I ask what brand of saw blades do you use, you seem to get a really fine finish to the cuts you make. Thanks again for the videos.
Hi Mike. Yes, the inner tube trick worked well, but it was just one I had around - no idea of the size I’m sorry. It was only folded in on itself to make up the difference of tool/hose thickness. As for the saw blades, I tend to stick with Festool, though I’ve been using one from Key Blades & Fixings for a little while, which has been very good. 👍👍
Assuming this is a Class L machine and therefore not really suitable for hardwoods and MDF use and it looks like the only bags available are paper so whilst suction might be OK maybe not so good for health
Quoting direct from Scheppach “...suitable for use with MDF” Only difference between eg Festool class L
and class M vacs is an audio warning when suction falls below a certain level due to eg a full bag or blockage. Class L vacs are fine for MDF
@@10MinuteWorkshop Not sure it's quite that simple, to meet Class M spec the filtration required to filter 99.9 % of dust with a grain size of under 2 microns, class L is 99 % of dust with a grain size of under 2 microns - Like you say some manufactures do use the same Class M filters on Class L machines (Festool, Starmix and some Nilfisk machines) which is great.
Looking at this machine It seems that a Class M filter is available - assume this was provided?
@@billconiston8091 life would be a lot simpler if extractors all had to be hepa h13 or h14 rated like they are in the States. European manufacturers all seem very quiet about the actual particle sizes that can pass through their filters and insisting that m class offers the best protection, whilst supplying the U.S. market with hepa filtered machines. Perceived wisdom was that sub micron particles were respirable and presented the most danger. Particles below .5 micron that passed into the lungs were usually exhaled with the next breath causing no damage. To be safe it seems to me that a hepa filter rated at 99.97% of .3micron particle should be the standard.
Hi Peter when I looked into dust from MDF I had very helpful advice from JSP (www.jspsafety.com/easyorder.b2b/index) . Briefly they told me that the dangerous part of MDF is not only the dust but the toxic vapour produced when it is machined with power tools. They advised a special mask with hefty filter cartridges that trap the vapour as well as the dust. That is why they don't advise using powered face shields with MDF as they don't filter out the vapour. Mike
Nice vid as usual Peter. What about your usual Christmas gift ideas?
Coming next week, probably. 👍👍
Are the shorter power cables a result of the higher cost of copper these days? If it needs to be longer it may also need a wider diameter wire. (So even though it may cost a little more for twice as long in the existing gauge, it may double the cost of the cable if going up to the next thicker gauge cable?) I haven't seen that size vacuum here in NZ, but it looks ideal for a small shop using machines that throw out a lot of chips. Thanks for the video. Cheers, David
I’m assuming it’s cost related, yes; seems odd to me that a company would willingly hamstring a product just to reduce costs or hit a price-point - but then I’m not in volume manufacturing 🤷♂️👍👍
I have some “Fein” Brand tools and they have the longest power cords of any similar tool. Good for them, but they are not inexpensive.
Weee! I am in your end credits :D Plz add Nomad Makes behind the name :D
I had a scheppach one. looks like the same thing. used it with my bandsaw. for resawing oak beams. it blew up after 40mins. seriously not upto the job
I just bought one. My first experience is there is close to no suction if I use the filter bag. Without filterbag the suction is Great. Any good advice..?
I get decent suction with the 100mm hose and great suction with it stepped down to 65mm, filter bag fitted at all times. If you’re sure it’s not blocked somewhere in the hose, then consider returning the unit as it sounds like there’s something amiss.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for your answer. I Will work a little more with my Unit to understand it better.
Have a nice day 😊
Hello Peter very informative video many thanks. How does it cope with the thicknesser as my DJM clogs after a short while at the entry point. Thanks Terry
Thanks Terry! It’s been very good - never clogged or jammed up., even with a smaller (65mm) hose that I prefer. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks that's made up my mind
Mains Cable Issue. It's not about cost, but safety. Long mains cables are a trip hazard.
Except short cables then get used in extensions, making them a trip hazard as well as the usual electrical concerns. So it’s about cost, dressed up as safety, IMO.
Thanks for the video, what dust collection setup you have now: vacuum and dust extractor or something one?
Thanks. I mostly use hand held power tools, so I have a Festool CTL22 as a general shop vac, and a CTL MIDI dedicated to the mitre saw. Other general domestic vacs for general cleanup. More detail,in video 066, Workshop tour - ua-cam.com/video/Ce_gMwIQQsk/v-deo.html 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks.
Are the smaller connectors for the hose from the same manufacturer or can these bought from third party?
These ones came with the vac, I don't think Scheppach sell them separately, but Draper sell something similar; do a search for Draper 86044 Adaptor Assembly and it should come up. 👍
Would u say it’s powerful enough to use as a dust extraction unit hooked up to a cyclone & connected up to 5 of my shop machines.
Depends on the length of the pipe runs, but I’d say probably not if you’re using 100mm, but possibly, if you can get away with 65mm. 🤷♂️👍
As with others below the hose is less than ideal will split quickly etc.
My main issue with scheppach is their after sales service in the uk, you go through NMA agencies who are a total pain! Scheppach change the speck frequently (reminiscent of austin morris car in the 70s) can't get spares past 5yrs or so,. Have one of their floor stand drills presses, got through a motor every 18months then changed design no spares, ended up fabricating a british motor to fit. NOT IDEAL if your looking for longevity....
Good to know, thanks! 👍
Well. The thing is in the mail now ;-) I paid about 140 Euros for it including a few extra filters. But most shops here sell them for around 230-240 Euros.
That’s pretty good - weirdly the paper filter bags seem to be hard to come by 🤷♂️👍👍
Peter Millard Strange...
Peter Millard Try this search: scheppach 75100702
Thanks Goran! I found some on Amazon, but it’s weird that Scheppach UK don’t seem to offer them. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes. Very. The webshop it ordered mine from had only 3 packs in stock. Perhaps consumables for low end tools are not such a big thing?
Did you ever build your own air scrubber, as you indicated you might in the 'fan in a can' video?
Not yet. Been a bit of a year, one way and another. I have all the parts - just not in the right order... 🤷♂️👍
Silly question really, what's the difference between a dust collector and dust extractor, and can, or are they used in conjunction with one another?
Short answer; marketing. Dust ‘collection’ is seen as passive, reactive, whereas dust ‘extraction’ is purposeful, proactive. You could argue that ‘dust collection’ could be seen as the tool doing the extraction and the vac just being a receptacle, but honestly we’re starting to argue semantics here. They’re all vacuums I’d one sort of another, and as long as you have one attached to your tools, you should be fine. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the reply,about the mains cable can it be replaced,say by a DIY job or is one stuck with that length,and what length would be more appropriate?
I'm a bit late to this but did anyone else find the additional filter bag massively reduced the suction? I'm my case it seemed worse than the basic vac I replaced
Not personally, no. 🤷♂️👍
hi Peter hope all is well. Today I was going back and forth like mad inbetween my vac (off/on) and using the kregg R3 for the first time, then I thought of you ---- you have a gadget to turn on and off power with a remote , have you got the details of it please? I think I need one :)
Hi Christopher. It’s just a domestic remote control, and to be honest I‘d only recommend it if you’re scrupulous about disconnecting it when not in use - it was this that gave me the scare that led to my recent ‘fire check’ video. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ahhh okay , i do tend to turn off all sockets etc , even when i leave the room just to eat
thanks for the info will look one up
@@10MinuteWorkshop ...I thought they were some thing special , yep found some on Amazon. I get your drift though about the fire matter :)
Thanks for the info Peter. So are you going to go shopping today on the “Black Friday sales”? 😂
Haha, no! 😂👍👍
I thought Black Friday was Friday 13th . How come all these Black Friday sale appear to be on November 29th ??? Shouldn't they be on December 13th?
@@beerancher3225 From wikipedia: "Black Friday is an informal name for the Friday following Thanksgiving Day in the United States, which is celebrated on the fourth Thursday of November." 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks mate I'd never heard of it before . We don't do Thanksgiving Day in Oz.
Does this need a cyclone aswell? Or is it good to go as it is?
Works fine for me as it is.
Thanks. That's one more thing on the shopping list 😂
Have the Charnwood 1100w for a 16” bandsaw two 100mm ports , 3 years works great however I would like a separate cyclone bin or something as the paper bag clogs fast which reduces airflow . Dramatically imo 👍
Thanks! Yes, I’ll be looking into the cyclone option in due course. 👍👍
Peter Millard fair play I can never figure out what has to suck what from where
I have 2 shop vacs and I am wondering if it is possible to convert one to 100mm / 4inch extractor for a bandsaw? I assume that if it works it will be a compromise but is it so compromised that it's completely ineffectual?
Cheers
Depends where you’re starting from. If you’re trying to ‘step up’ to 100mm from eg 50mm then no, this generally doesn’t work as you can’t get the airflow. Stepping down - 150 -> 100 - would work.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks unfortunately it is standard 2 inch or so vacuum. I was thinking of blocking the 2inch and cutting a 4 inch outlet and running 4 inch tubing etc.
Hi Peter. Great video. You mentioned your ceiling hung air cleaner. What are you using for that?
Thanks! I'm afraid I had such a poor experience buying the air scrubber I'm afraid I don't link to it. There's a video about it here - 'fan in a can', ua-cam.com/video/DcuIU4WsiWA/v-deo.html - and a follow-up on that in the next vid, where I explain. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop will take a look. Thanks
I see what you mean. It’s rather loud isn’t it. Sounds like a jet ready to take off.
Did you ever make your own cleaner as mentioned for a future video?
I have just installed 100 mm pipework into my garage and I have 4 blast gated drops, the 1500 w Wet/Dry vac connected to the setup is either not strong enough or this is what I need, comments please? I purchased the Metal blast-gates from my local carpenter's store.
Is there any recourse available anywhere for hints, tips and tricks for dust extraction?
I’ve never installed that kind of ducting I’m afraid. What’s the longest run from the extractor to the tool? And is it a single turbine extractor? My UA-cam pal Keith Brown at Rag n Bone Brown did a video about his ducting and extraction not that long ago, might be worth a look? ua-cam.com/video/t3O6nEjVWrM/v-deo.html 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Rag & Bone was how I discovered your channel. I have already asked Keith the question, as someone who is new to all this and keen to get into a good hobby I was so disappointed when my system didn't work as I thought it would.
My Vac is a Einhell TC-VC 1930S 1500 W Wet/Dry Vacuum Cleaner connected to a cyclone and a drum. I just assumed it would work.
Back to the drawing board!
@@22illingworth Ah, OK. No I'm afraid I wouldn't expect that Einhell to be up to the job; if you try and step a ~40mm hose up to 100mm you won't get the airflow you need - but you can step 100mm down to ~40mm and suck the chrome off a bumper! I think you'll see a major improvement if you switch to something with this Scheppach vac, or something better. Small-hose vacuums like the Einhell would be fine connected directly to power tools like plunge saws and sanders, but don't have the airflow to move large quantities through a 100mm pipe, I'm afraid - you'll need something that starts with a 100mm hose attached to the vac. Hope that helps! Best, Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop that's exactly how the Einhell works.... perfectly on it's own... thanks so much for your input... looks like I may be in the Dog House when I explain to the wife I need another new toy for my hobby :)
Now stop interrupting... I have a binge list of your Videos to watch :)
No problem - happy to help, but sorry it’s not better news! Cheers, P
2 metres of cord - accountant driven engineering.
Spot-on.
Safety rules actually. Stupidly but apparently the short cord reduces the risk of tripping accidents.
Hi Peter, will these hose adaptors on the HA 1000 fit the Scheppach HS 80 TABLE SAW giving a good seal ?
I’ve no idea I’m sorry - you would hope so, being from the same company, but that’s no guarantee unfortunately! 🤷♂️👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ok thanks anyway.
Great, informative video. What do you think of this vs. one of those chip collectors with the 2 bags in a rack? I recently measured the Thor filtration unit to about 75 dB by the way. At about 1 meter. Have you ever tested the Thor for efficiency? I am currently editing a video about my Thor. And it is not hugely impressive. The numbers that is. The video will be awesome :D Cheers.
Thanks Goran! I think the chip collectors shift a lot more air, so would perform better with the 100mm hose. Haven’t used the air scrubber much tbh - I should check it out for efficiency. I should also try making my own, as I said I would about a year ago... 😬 And no doubt at all that your vid will be awesome! 😄👍👍
Peter Millard Lol. Thaks for the input. I was thinking about a chip collector. But I will look into this kind of shop vac now. My planer/thiknesser needs one.
Do you still use this device?
Yep. Works great. 👍
Hi Peter - can you please do a review of TITAN TTB785VAC which has built in auto start feature for power tools at only £69!!
There are no video reviews of this product out there at the moment!
Not sure I’d have a great deal to say about it really, Michael?? It seems to be a 22 litre wet & dry vac with PTO, but no quoted filtration spec and at 80dB noisy as anything. But the folks who have it seem happy with it, and a plumber pal of mine used the older plastic one for ages and loved it. I guess there could be a video in a comparison between this and a new Class L or M rated dust extractor, but for that to be a meaningful comparison they’d both have to be new machines, and as I’ve discovered in the past, quantifying the relative merits of something like dust collection is a really hard thing to make visually interesting. So, all things considered, I’ll probably leave it for someone else. Thanks for pointing it out to me though - looks very similar to one that Lidl sells, I think. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the reply Peter. I may give it a go - trying to put together a budget MFT setup and this seemed like a good option for dust extraction.
I currently have an old Dewalt Powershop....well......
you know!!
Thank you for all of your videos - they are fantastic - keep it up!
had mine for a couple of years now and no problems,stick a home made cyclone on it and it does well,all vacs are noisy so no is this one
Cyclone?
@@niallchurch2679 yea on you tube type in shop vac cyclone diy in search,saves your filters and bags have fun
@@malcolmoxley1274 thanks for that just waiting for mine in mail!
@@malcolmoxley1274 looked at youtube video on cyclone,it's like,magic,and does seem to save on filter bags etc!
I assume you were making the base for it in the video, why not make a round base the same size of it. I did that with a round vac. It stops you catching your feet on the base which trust me will drive you nuts.
Thanks, but that was the base for something else. Round sounds like a good plan 👍👍
oh dear Peter, Rutland have a 50ltr on offer at £69.95 with a 3 mtr cable... Mine is about the same db as yours but the heavy duty hose is better quality than yours 😂😂 Anyway nice Video Peter
Happy for you Paul - not sure it was on offer a couple of months ago when I bought mine, but as long as you’re happy 👍👍
One argument for short cables which I heard once is that longer ones are more likely to get damaged. You’re more likely to switch out a damaged extension cable than a hard wired tool cable.
I’m not sure I buy that though, and extension cables bring their own set of safety concerns...
Is it possible to get a longer and stronger hose for this?
Yes, I use mine with 5 metres of 65mm hose I bought off eBay. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Any type of hose I should be looking for,like brand name or anything?
Apologies, I bought from a company called dustspares.co.uk, and I bought product code PU63-6M, 6 metres of 63mm flexible ducting and paid ~£40 inc VAT & delivery. HTH P
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