Installing Recessed Lighting - Crawling in Attics - Remodeling
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2021
- Remodeling my home, new can lights, new tools, and my son helps.
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Even though I do this stuff for a living, I really enjoy just watching someone else do it lol
Me too, looks so much easier when watching someone else lol
Same here lol. Weird huh?
I feel better when someone other than myself is in the roof.
Same 🤣
@@jacobplank what is Dustin doing
I’ve never thought of wearing a hard hat to protect against roofing nails. I worked around one builder (more like a handyman) who used 16d nails for the outside sheeting, rip to my spade bits.
As an electrician, I bought a pet tarantula to therapeutically get over my intense fear of the spider. I would be working in attics, crawl spaces and vents just to have the shit scared out of me countless times from our eight legged friends. One time I got called down from a scissor lift because of my inappropriate reaction to a spider that I didn’t know was there. They made me to helper work for the rest of the week over that.
You can get a safety "bump cap" insert that fits inside most ballcaps. It's not rated for falling object protection, but will stop you from getting any cuts or bruises on your head.
That’s great. I may have to get one of those.
They are absolutely impermeable and will drench your head in sweat, still beats smashing your head into a beam or nail point I suppose.
I worked in hundreds of Texas attics in my life. I would take the attic any day over going under the house. I had a deal with my coworker that I would take all attic work if he took all under floor work. He was glad to oblige because we rarely had to go under the house.
Too many spiders under the house. Not so bad in blazing hot dry attics.
Run a cheap 12volt led light strip in 3000k down the ridge beam. Plug in with a 12v power supply. It will light up the whole attic and make working up there way more pleasant. Since the light is coming from the whole ridge line, you won’t get any shadows or dark spots even when your working down near the sofets. Installing this was time we’ll spent in my attic. I even put mine on a switch near the entrance so you can’t miss it.
A good tip esp when working alone. When you are pulling any type of wire in general & you are using sticks, tape the wire onto the stick around 3-4"s from the back or end of the stick. This will create a V. So when you push the stick forward to where you want it to stay until you move. You just pull the V back until it catches on anything. Now the cable & stick won't fall back out while you move over. 😆 Plus you can still pull the cable forward as much as you want & after you pull it forward a little, if you twist it you can now move it backwards too if needed.
I had a buddy die in an attic an hour before we were done with the job . He was making up a junction box and his knee slipped and he fell with his chest landing on a live circuit hidden in insulation and I kept yell up the ladder to him and then I seen the lights shudder and ran up and he was barely alive ,sadly when paramedics came he was dead. One of the WORST days of my life and career. I NEVER ever let co-workers go into attics or confined spaces alone. Plus we go the extra mile now to make sure all breakers are off. He was such a great guy too.
Really sorry to hear that my commiserations on your loss. Keeping the power off is a great point with multiple circuits that can be always a hard thing to do. But attics are dangerous places I fell and my leg went through the ceiling in the bedroom below the power was off but I was lucky did not get tangled with other live circuits only drywall to repair thank god.
Im going into my second year. Working along side my 60 year old dad and his friend. And he still gets up there. Legend
The kitten and 3000” nail edits are hilarious
Dustin: I hate being in Texas attics. Also Dustin: Spends the next 4 minutes talking about flashlights in a Texas attic. :D Keep up the great content, bro!
Well his name is Dust-in
@@aredditor4272
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Was thinking the same thing! Gets crazy hot in my attic in no cal. Can’t imagine it in the Texas heat!
@@aredditor4272 would be a redditor
When using a holesaw in drywall, run it in reverse to avoid dulling the teeth. You might need them later for wood or metal.
Just use a grit holesaw with the dust bowl and use a side handle for your drill. Its easier, faster, cleaner, and goes through plaster without ruining your saw.
I bought an adjustable hole saw just for drywall. It has a single bit on the outside and dust bowl around it. Make it amazing for can lights. I think it is a milwaukee product.
I’m only 22 and I’ve been doing electrical work for a year and a half andI do only residential work. And as I like to say “attics turn boys to men and men to boys”
Have you been through 1 yet. I went through the first year I started luckily it was a house under full renovation.
Get into commercial if you can.
@@duanchamp1988 yes maybe you one day you will. I’ve been through plenty especially crawl spaces full of nasty shit and bugs. Embrace the suck brotha it’ll make you tougher!
@@edwardguillen4381 I already have im a 13 yr electrician..I was just asking him lol..im in industrial now...started off residential then commercial now industrial. Houston attics especially older homes are deathtraps and the heat is brutal.
@@duanchamp1988 oh lol… well in that case you know the pain then haha. Yea I can imagine Texas heat going into an attic…
Glad things going good, love the videos. Wish this one had less flashlight ads, and more of the actual work you did while in the attic.
My advice from someone who redid my entire house, if you can afford it, spare no expense, you only want to do it once.
I don't know how you went about removing the popcorn texture from your ceiling, but if you use a spray bottle and get it wet and then go back once it's had a chance to soak in, it scrapes off pretty easy! I've done that a few times! It's pretty messy, but just put down something on the floor, plastic or drop cloth, and it's not too bad to clean up. a 4 gal backpack sprayer with a lever on one side to pump as you spray makes it a lot easier! Harbor Freight has one for 20 or 30 bucks. I bought one I use for me yard every year, and I've had it for 4 years now. Warm water works best!
When you first said you were going to use your fish sticks to help rewire I got a mental image of you tying a string to a box of frozen fish sticks and chucking them across the attic :D
Yes...I know I'm weird!
Whoa hey, that's roofers that use those nails not framers. Framers put nails exactly where you want to drill in top plates. :)
9:16 DEFINITELY installed “just a few” of those in the past😉
Very Nice👍🏻 💨
My first trade was HVAC, a lot of it residential. Not only attic work, but under raised houses. Terrible places to work.
That’s my situation right now, sucks.
If you are trying to find holes while in an attic, try using 2’-ish glo-sticks from a party store. They are cheap and highly visible. If you do not have an assistant, they can be taped to the ceiling below to stick up into the attic.
The best light I have used is the Milwaukee red lithium headlights. I love those light. Last a long time. Multiple light settings, and rechargeable. They sell batteries for it too if you need to quick swap it. But the only time I ever had to do that is when I forget to charge it. Otherwise last the whole day.
I need to do this same thing this coming weekend...thanks for the video, really looking forward to it lol
Do it early in the morning when it’s coolest.
I’m in the same place as Dustin and I had squirrels in my attic and they shit a bunch and tore up the duct work. I realized this when my a/c never cooled. I went up there and discovered the place they were getting in and measured and counted all the ducts that needed replacing. I then got mesh to fix the spots they were getting in and bought a bunch of duct to replace the broken ones. This was in June. I got up there in the morning but by 10 it was unbearable. Needless to say, I duct taped the ducts and basically stopped the bleeding then decided I’d put it off for 3-4 months until it cooled off. The squirrels are the same as me I guess because they seem to have vacated during the summer so I need to at least patch the holes before it cools but I’ll probably put it off and end up trapping them.
That'll smell nice while they decompose!
Good call on the hard hat. Plus easy place to keep a light. Smart
Thanks again for your help
Great time to be in construction/housing market… i got a whole house generator install, adding a 5000w generator inlet for the same guys lake house, and made 600 in 2hrs yesterday, installing 2 smart switches, getting power back to his bathroom and installing a surface mount light on his front porch yesterday lolt
I just installed 18 downlights doing the same thing here in Texas. Hot hot. Those battery powered fans save you up there if you can't do it early morning.
One of the first things I did in my attic was install strings of C9 Christmas lights with white bulbs along the ridge line. When I go into the attic, I just plug in the strings and the attic is all lit up. They are all connected end to end so there's only 1 plug to plug in. It works great.
I did that too, both attic and crawlspace, but I used strings of 2500 lumen LED work lights. Crawling around still sucks, but it’s at least it’s nice and bright in there.
@MikeBramm
Good idea!
I put in 3 keyless that are switched from the hallway below the scuttle hole
Every time I go up into my attic, I keep meaning to do that.
Looking good.
Thanks
Love the hardhat tip!
Removing knob and tube in a cellulose insulted attic on a hot day is fun.
So true!!! My master electrician always sends me in the crawls and the attics 😂😂😂
I have the Klein square light,liked it so much I bought another.
Would love it when I gave somebody a price in middle of winter to due a few hours of attic work only to have them wait til hottest days of summer to get it done. Told them it would cost at least a hundred dollars more or wait til October.Same thing with post lamps. Would expect you to do it for same price that you quoted in summer and wanted it done while the ground was frozen solid in January. Told them to call me after they dug a 12" deep trench because no way that I dig in middle of winter up in cold north city. Luckily I got more & more machine tool & die shops etc for work and stopped doing any residental work last 25 years before I retired. Don't miss taking off work boots to walk inside a house. Keep a pair of clean sneakers that I only worn inside homes but even that did not make some customers happy.
I’d always be masked up in an attic!!
So damn great D!
Fun and it takes that fast and simple to put it in wow
I have that same hard hat. I like it!
I’m doing the exact thing you are: popcorn ceiling removal, add recess light, tear down old carpet and add new flooring baseboards. Don’t get me started with original bathroom plumbings
Great video. Please do one on getting down to panels. It's a art fomr that is hard to pass along to helpers.
Blown insulation in the attic sucks when installing recessed lights, you have to make sure it's cleared away before you start cutting holes in the ceiling. Another tip is to buy 6" lights instead of 4", they give better coverage and the larger hole allows you to use both hands.
@9:49 I see 14 and 12 gauge wire. Is not mixing the two just recommended or you can mix them as long as the breaker covers the smaller one?
Dude this video was just in time I’m a helper her in Maine and I spent pretty much all day today crawling around in a attic trying to rough in some c/o smokes. Definitely ain’t fun!
After almost a full day in an Arizona attic I forgot a pair of Klein wire strippers up their. They are still up there as far as I know. Just not worth going back up there!
Fenix E05, I never leave home without that flashlight
Been there done that so many times and u said it right we arent supose to be up there we should have a young dude doing it for us but.... Sometimes we gotta show em we still got it. Lol. Great vid bruh
@ 2:51 O dude I had a question about this very thing. When using the drill do you go in reverse to cut into the ceiling with the whole saw or do you go in Forward on the drill. Because My boss who is a Master Electrician said that I'm supposed to go in Reverse. But idk why it seemed to work better when I did go in reverse. But when I'm drilling anything else I always go forward. I'm still you know an apprentice but Like i feel like I still struggle with things that should be pretty basic knowledge or skills sometimes. But Hope anyone here can help thanks. appreciate it.
what is the light you use? The ones I ordered are too thin to clip on the ceiling (2+ inch ceiling cause it's right beneath the attic
The Klein 56411 pen light is cool. I own one and my only gripe is the metal clip. the clip gets snagged on lets say a pocket, so when you pull it out, the clip bends. Im gonna have to cut the clip off amnd smooth the edge where i cut off the clip. I dont wanna throw away the clip cause it acts as a sort of spacer for screw on battery cover.
The pen clip works great for a short time head lamp if you are wearing a baseball cap. The brim holds the weight of the flashlight nicely.
Buy a bust down for your drill. I install cans all the time and it’s a must. Keeps dust contained and keeps clients homes clean
Texas attics can be intense (hvac). When i was about 20 yrs old one attic seemed warm ... the the thermometer in my shirt pocket said 170°f. That was 50 yrs ago. I now get out at 120°. Retired and wait till night to enter my attic, WITH knee pads. Drink lots of water !!!
Thanks for all the great content! There was a recent question about insulated lights that are IC rated. I purchased some IC rated low profile lights with a separate driver box. Operating temperature max shows 104 F, so I'm concerned if overheating could be an issue, since attics get well over 120 degrees sometimes. Should I buy something different for the attic?
also its a good idea to have a filtered respirator which can help protect from harmful stuff u breath in
Im looking into doing some diy and was wonderingif u help me out. How many of them lights did you put on a breaker? What size breaker and what size cored?
do you like how you cut a whole in the vapour barrier with those?
Lowe's or Home Depot sell a plastic bowl you can put on under your hole saw that catches all that sheetrock dust. Locke Supply sells one with an adjustable hole saw blade in it for about 30.00 dollars. there pretty handy for sheetrock. They aren't quite strong enough for wood, unless it's paneling, but pretty handy tool for adding light boxes or such.
I recently purchased some of these for a new construction install. They are IC rated and ETL rated/listed but they are not UL listed. What does the NEC have to say about UL listing vs. ETL listing?
Total beginner here. Till you get power from the fan/light that is already there? Where did you get power from?
how did you fish across for the 4 main floor pot lights? aren't there joists in the way lol?
What boots do you wear or recommend for electricians?
What about vapor sealing are those lights ic rated
8:46 Watching you wire that recessed light in 55 seconds was a thing of beauty!
Is it allowed by code to just cross the wire from one light to the other? No need to cross the wire through the joists?
I thought after 23 years I wouldnt have to go in attics anymore but the young kids never seem to show up on attic day.
Don't tell them when it is. Surprise them.
Almost every day is an attic day for me
Any good way to deal with critters in confined spaces? I can deal with them in the open, but 2 inches from my face in complete darkness? Not sure about that one…
I’m the perfect size to get into all kinds of small spaces too, so I foresee this being a common issue.
What if you need to install recessed lighting in the 1st floor ceiling but there is a second floor above? You can't get to the attic.
If I have a dimmable type ic , does this mean it's allowed to be in contact with insulation.
IC rated means Insulation-Contact rated, so yes sir!
Where u get them pliers from?
Yup. I've got the non vented electrical rated full brim Klein hard hat. Love it.
The vented is preferable, you can always close off the vents. The first time you disturb a squirrel nest and they jump out at you and your head jerks up and you hit the “ceiling”, you will appreciate wearing a hard hat up there. Nothing like a skull penetration to focus your thinking.
@@declanfarber the vented is not electrical rated
@@declanfarber The vented is class C. The non vented is Class E rated. Look up the difference. Now you know why.
@@danukepaintball I’m referring to residential attics. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify. (If your roofing nails are carrying voltage, that’s a somewhat more esoteric problem.)
@@declanfarber And I bought mine for more than one place. And if you've ever seen knob and tube wiring, you could easily have live lines overhead in an attic. Which is why mine is class E
Wow great job I enjoyed it. I’m just curious what part of Texas do serve. I’m in Texas too😎
Highly recommend hole saw dust bowl!!! From Rack-a-Tiers best $25 bucks spent!!!
If Chris Jericho and Ivan Drago had a kid. It’d be you. Lol
Hey 👋🏽 man like your content what kind of knee pads do you wear?
While you are doing these renovations you should also take the time create a proper network infrastructure. Meaning Ethernet from the rooms to a central location to router and switches, drops for access points and cameras. Not sure your current computer setup for editing video but this could help if you have or need a nas.
If need any help or want to talk more about let me know. I don’t mind helping and giving advice.
I wear a safety hat because of Dustin. It has saved my noodle more times then I can say in the short times I wear it. Nails, roof supports, flues, all ruin your day
...you should wear it because of common sense
@@light_year6964 it's actually a bump cap. So no it's not always common sense
I agree! I hate going into attics… nails and dust will mess you up lol.. Just did what you did recently for friends and dang doing it again for my house. Nice vid! 👍
Id love to see the whole remodel process even if its not electrical work
I’m trying to get Ethernet in a one story house, my attic is big but way to cramped and low for my liking lol. I have ti get to the corner of my attic but it’s like 2 feet high
I like to drill a 1/4 hole first then stick my fish stick through the hole to see where I’m at in the attic and clear the insulation in the attic prior to drilling the hole for the light less mess
I try and go in the attic the least amount possible most of this can be done with fish rods daisy chain the wire you don't need someone feeding you the wire in the attic
Wish I had an attic over my living room and dining. old house with NO LIGHTS, only switch plugs. I would either have to rip the plaster down, or pull up the floor boards in my daughters room upstairs. No thanks to either of those options lol
Yeah, i crawled i my attics today. One 14/2 and 4 ethernet. At least you have lader hatch.
Attics are always fun lol
Thanks. Almost as good as a service call video. You have so many 1000volt members, you’re to work full time just to answer calls/texts! LOL
I’d like to see more in the field videos
You need the kline while cutter/dust collector. Replaceable blade also.
Did you drill holes through the attic joists?
It looks like he just laid the cable over the joists on top of the insulation. If running perpendicular, I believe you're supposed to drill through the joists at least 1.25" from the edge. If running parallel, staple the cable to the side of the joist, also at least 1.25" from the edge. Not only is that code, but the extra work will make it a lot easier and safer to maneuver in the attic next time you need to work up there.
A N95 or equivalent mask is a Must along with a disposable jumpsuit ,if not a long sleeve shirt should be worn ,fiberglass insulation is the worst and you will thank me for it . Don't put the shirt or any other clothes worn in the family wash load;do it separately. Knee pads that are flat are also suggested when crawling along the joists ,there are nails in them too ;nothing like a bare knee on a nail to make you feel alive!. Always have at least two points of contact grabbing something overhead and having a good footing while you feel out your next step especially if your in a high ceiling.a Headlamp is also a must flashlights are pretty useless unless you have a solid platform they will take a much needed hand away.if wearing a safety hat make sure you can see up or you will eventually hit your head on a beam (hard learned experience and I mean hard) gloves and safety glasses should also be worn .Your less likely to lose tools or materials if put in a tub and slide them along . I have crawled in 100 or more attics and under houses doing Hvac if this helps one person to avoid the aggravation or Injury and saves them time then typing all this was worth it . Stay safe .
YES YES YES AND YES. well said. Kept me from almost writing all this almost word for word hahah
"To make you feel alive..." hahahahahahahahahahah
Hey hand, need a little bend in the bib of that cap!
So much easier with a helper!
Why'd you go with 4" cans instead of 6"? Obviously nothing wrong with either, I just usually install 6". Do you have a preference or is it situation by situation?
Because someone nabbed his 6" holesaw and he didn't want to buy another? 😂
South Florida attics, 2 & 1/2 to 3 on 12 pitch, plus AC ducts....
Just wondering , here with my company we never use can lights unless a customer asks for them specifically , we usually use the ultra thin wafer lights that have the adjustable light spectrum. They are just SO much easier and roughly the same price but cheaper for the customer as far as paying us for our time
Agree 100%. Plus, you don’t have to worry about whether they’re IC rated. And they usually have a air sealing gasket around the rim. The recessed can lights in my kitchen leaked air like a sumbitch in the winter until I replaced them.
@@CantankerousDave and you don't really have to worry about where your studs are because they are so thin you can usually go right under it
canless recess lights and a grit hole saw with dust catcher made recess lighting jobs super fast.
What’s up Dustin
First time long time
Wanted to ask what do you think about electrician vs low voltage techs?
I’m really asking if you started over would you be an electrician or a low voltage techs. Both working in residential and commercial only now your installing coax Ethernet and fiber plus setting up the equipment
I have 10 ppl a day wanting these slim lights with insulation proofing.... "don't want a fire" ... are you using special slums or is ant slim good? Love your vids
Home depot has a safety section you can find lights,gloves,helmets etc......
They make a dish that mounts to the drill to catch all that sheetrock dust
I always see people adding lights and wires but they never explain what to do with the wire in the attic. Do you staple it to the under side of the roof? Do you leave it laying on the insulation? How much slack??? Grommets? How to enter the electrical panel? I need info.
I had to run 12/2 wire to similar can lights not fun but doable.
Can we have a link to where you bought the gloves you hand on? ! 😁