Just a thought - you could add a narrow rail of plywood either side of the raised bit in the middle of the joint and use a router to bring it all to the same level
That was bloody brilliant and you have every right to be well chuffed with that. Love the way you use traditional and modern techniques and tools. Isn’t it useful to have the big farm equipment at hand too? 🌞
Great choice of joinery, this kind of scarf joint is a lovely dependable tradition to join beams, support towards the center is another of those crafty details. +1 for using just about every possible tool!
My favourite join, I call it a Jupiter scarf ( like a lightning bolt). Stronger with a slightly sharper angle at the ends, instead of 90. I've put these in ridge beams on a cathedral roof, with no support other than rafters, no movement in the join at all, even before rafters.
I’d recommend for future scarfs to use a hooked design whereby the wedge(s) have full contact with each piece. Wedges sitting in a trench in each piece means they have half contact on each and leaves gaps/uneven contact. Also a more acute angle on the end gives it more strength, slight acute angle (or square which you see in america often which is just silly frankly) can allow them to slip away. I have a (terrible) video on my channel showing how to lay one out
Could you possibly give some information about how you set out the scarf joints, with an idea regarding length and angles, please 🙏 Kind regards Rob 🇳🇿
I been wondering over the course of these videos what the weight of this project is & what weight of timber youve bèen manhandling lifting the parts to be cut etc.
Is that Mica light in the back sound 😢 ? If you have never done this joint before its so satisfying on any size of timber. Just look at the tools going black as you are using them 😮
No i don't, i was planning on using the timber wedges tbh. They can all be tapped out from the other side if i assemble upside down and not flat. That was my plan anyway
You’ll probably be ok. By the time I was ready to assemble my frame the oak had dried and moved a lot, and having pins you could push in quickly and get things lined up when the beams were hanging off the tele handler was very handy.
Cheers bud... erm, maybe. to me a scarf is a straight cut, but im no expert. I honestly dont know....A comment has just mentioned "Jupiter joint"... so now i really know nothing haha
@@BradshawJoineryGenerally we (uhm carpentry books) call this a scarf joint as well, you also have Japanese versions too which are also still called a scarf joint in English at least.
Make a short video mate just showing you getting into it with the chainsaw, then a bit of chisel butchery and BAM ! Finished joint! ‘A bit of practice with a chainsaw and a sharpish chisel and it’s a fairly easy joint… tune in next week for secret miter dovetails with the old man’s axe …’ You’ll kill the views! I’d saw daft those ends with a nice Japanese pull saw as you wedge it and it will be smick 👍🏻
I was thinking you were being optimistic attempting to make a full cut with the Chainsaw. Very few people can file Sawchain to make it cut straight. I was a Logging Contractor for 35 years and I found most professional Chainsaw operators struggle to always get an accurate cut. It should be easy, you would think, but it’s not.
This was my first idea haha, cut some slats the same height as I have the router set for the other cut then sit them on the edges... But would then need a sled for the router as the slats would be so far apart. I think that's what you mean
@BradshawJoinery yes that's it. Make a wider base for the router to cover either side at full extension. Drop the guide bush down to fit the lower area at 19mm so your shoulders are higher so you get a flush edge around the outside face. Drop it a mill or two? Would maybe quicker than the power plane?
Just a thought - you could add a narrow rail of plywood either side of the raised bit in the middle of the joint and use a router to bring it all to the same level
what a pleasure to watch and yet I am in the business
Cheers bud! I enjoyed editing this one to be fair! Thankyou
Proper big buys carpentry with a slick, a telehandler and a chain saw with such a great end result! Proper job.
Yeah I am sleeping well at the minute
Fantastic skills mate, glad you’re keeping the magic going! Great to watch, could watch all day!
That was bloody brilliant and you have every right to be well chuffed with that. Love the way you use traditional and modern techniques and tools. Isn’t it useful to have the big farm equipment at hand too? 🌞
Bloody hell that’s one hell of a chisel ! Great video
Great choice of joinery, this kind of scarf joint is a lovely dependable tradition to join beams, support towards the center is another of those crafty details. +1 for using just about every possible tool!
My favourite join, I call it a Jupiter scarf ( like a lightning bolt). Stronger with a slightly sharper angle at the ends, instead of 90. I've put these in ridge beams on a cathedral roof, with no support other than rafters, no movement in the join at all, even before rafters.
Excellent job. Keep it coming!!!
Beautiful joint!!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video !! thank you
Thank you too!
Axminister do a nice stair gauge set that fit onto your roofing square make using the roofing square a bit easier.
I’d recommend for future scarfs to use a hooked design whereby the wedge(s) have full contact with each piece. Wedges sitting in a trench in each piece means they have half contact on each and leaves gaps/uneven contact. Also a more acute angle on the end gives it more strength, slight acute angle (or square which you see in america often which is just silly frankly) can allow them to slip away. I have a (terrible) video on my channel showing how to lay one out
Yeah i thought this once id done it haha! Ill have a look cheers bud, this isnt my area of expertise tbh.
WOW!
Can't beat a good wedgy 😂
Birthday wedgie
Do those back strips grip the timber? Always thought was bit of design flaw that you have no grip when using narrow prices
Scarf Joint!
Could you possibly give some information about how you set out the scarf joints, with an idea regarding length and angles, please 🙏
Kind regards
Rob 🇳🇿
Probably best done in the way i did the splice on the wall plates, a few videos later, 3 to 4x the material thickness is a good length for the taper.
Could you use the chain morticer to get the chainsaw cut perpendicular?
He’s only done it again….. another double entendre thumbnail title “making wood longer” 😂
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Beam saw, beam saw!
Be ideal but ive only 2 joints to do haha
Did you do the drawing for this timber frame yourself?
Super job!
Does that giant chisel have a name? Ans how easy is it to sharpen?
I did a video on sharpening 4/5 days ago have a look! Its calles a Robert Sorby Slick
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I been wondering over the course of these videos what the weight of this project is & what weight of timber youve bèen manhandling lifting the parts to be cut etc.
Heavy haha!!! I think it worked out around just under 40kg per m for the 200x200 stuff
Isn't that sometimes called a scarf joint? Or maybe a scarf splice?
Scarf joints are joints used to join lengthways. This is an undersquinted scarf joint.
Is that Mica light in the back sound 😢 ? If you have never done this joint before its so satisfying on any size of timber.
Just look at the tools going black as you are using them 😮
You need to invest in some prober trestles, that beam moving around was freaking me out when u were making precision cuts 😂
Haha, the fuuny thing is i have some really expensive Macc saw trestles... just not at the workshop lol!
Do you have some framing pins ready to go for assembly? I couldn’t find any good ones for sale so ended up making my own out of 316 stainless.
No i don't, i was planning on using the timber wedges tbh. They can all be tapped out from the other side if i assemble upside down and not flat. That was my plan anyway
You’ll probably be ok. By the time I was ready to assemble my frame the oak had dried and moved a lot, and having pins you could push in quickly and get things lined up when the beams were hanging off the tele handler was very handy.
Hi mate @ 14.25 would an electric planer not have done the job or would it struggle with the green oak
😂 I should have finished the video before I commented
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Would the chain morticer have been easier than the Sthil saw?
Maybe actually 🤣😄
Is it not called a scarf joint?
Great job
Cheers bud... erm, maybe. to me a scarf is a straight cut, but im no expert. I honestly dont know....A comment has just mentioned "Jupiter joint"... so now i really know nothing haha
@@BradshawJoineryGenerally we (uhm carpentry books) call this a scarf joint as well, you also have Japanese versions too which are also still called a scarf joint in English at least.
I was thinking scarf joint too
I wondered whether you’d be using a Festool SSU200 to cut these joints, then I saw how spendy they are! Cracking job with the tools you had at hand. 😊
Yeah spendy and not big enough i dont think! Ive loads of birds mouths to do at 75mm timbers bit think ill just take my little bandsaw to site.
Make a short video mate just showing you getting into it with the chainsaw, then a bit of chisel butchery and BAM ! Finished joint!
‘A bit of practice with a chainsaw and a sharpish chisel and it’s a fairly easy joint… tune in next week for secret miter dovetails with the old man’s axe …’
You’ll kill the views!
I’d saw daft those ends with a nice Japanese pull saw as you wedge it and it will be smick 👍🏻
Yeah good idea. I was thinking about doing short videos on Tik-tok, but its just time all the while!!
I was thinking you were being optimistic attempting to make a full cut with the Chainsaw. Very few people can file Sawchain to make it cut straight.
I was a Logging Contractor for 35 years and I found most professional Chainsaw operators struggle to always get an accurate cut. It should be easy, you would think, but it’s not.
Question : I learned that the joint needed to be supported …?
Yeah a lap joint, this will be ok for the construction its going in. only a 2m cut roof going on it
As my dad would have said, it’s fits like an arse on a netty (that’s a toilet) seat
Amazing - your future career may be focused on timber framing . . .
Sorry mate : software ?
Sketchup
How about a plywood template on either side running on the routered area to remove the middle section like a letterbox kinda thing?
This was my first idea haha, cut some slats the same height as I have the router set for the other cut then sit them on the edges... But would then need a sled for the router as the slats would be so far apart.
I think that's what you mean
@BradshawJoinery yes that's it. Make a wider base for the router to cover either side at full extension. Drop the guide bush down to fit the lower area at 19mm so your shoulders are higher so you get a flush edge around the outside face. Drop it a mill or two? Would maybe quicker than the power plane?
Jupiter joint
Didn't know it was called that, i'm no expert on framing joints. Its not my training. Thanks
Go buy a 16" power saw😂
I'd be chuffed as well, .........you can't mess about with timbers that size, and mistakes are ££££££££££££££££ EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK😱
Cheers Mark!
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