AAC In Talks With Oregon State & Washington State?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this video, we dive into the latest developments in college sports realignment as the American Athletic Conference (AAC) is possibly talking with Oregon State and Washington State. With the landscape of college athletics constantly evolving, these potential moves could significantly reshape the future of the AAC and the broader NCAA landscape.
We'll explore:
⭕️ MWC Media Deal
⭕️ ESPN cost to subsidize ACC or Big 12
⭕️ Jon Wilner’s latest article
⭕️ Commissioner Pernetti’s response (video clip)
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#CollegeFootball #AAC #Realignment
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I like the idea of a western division in the American and having the service academies in the same conference feels just right. You only need about 6 to 8 schools to make it work for a western division. Also, the American can go with a tier media deal, having multiple media partners. I can see them cutting a deal with ESPN, CW, and a streaming service such as Apple. Combine that might be enough to increase the conference payout.
The crazy thing is there was an interview with Aresco when the AAC was formed and he wanted to have it where we have teams in every time zone so that the AAC could air games all day. There was talk around 2017 and 2018 because there were a few MW schools upset about Boise St's deal with the MW.
AAC has a better opportunity in working with ESPN in determining valuations and strategically prepare to invite key MWC schools coordinated with timing of the sunset of MWC’s media deal and at that time invite P2. IMO it would be SDSU, Fresno, Boise, AF, CSU, WSU and OSU. This would mitigate the travel burden of a nationwide conference.
Nothing say Atlantic like West Coast schools.
Football & Basketball do whatever you need to do but, olympics sports go back to 10 team regional conference.
@@josephross7936 thats the ACC.... AAC is uhhh lemme think the American Athletic Conference
Utah state would probably get added before Fresno to be honest
The question is, what are Oregon St. and Washington St.’s value to the AAC, Mountain West, or a Power 5? Their value is that they were in the Pac-12. However, if you never knew what conference they played in, would they have much value on their own? Computer says no. The Power 4 isn't fooled by that. Is it enough for the AAC or Mountain West? Maybe, maybe not.
I believe you are correct.
They are in the top 50 power programs so they make the power cut. They are northwest programs with half a million alumni, not national brands
It's a nice idea but I don't see this happening until at the earliest 2027 or 2028. If it happens any sooner than that they're going to have to pay back $157 million that they got from the departing 10 members of the Pac-12. I could see them possibly doing a scheduling alliance this upcoming season if it's possible to evaluate any possible acquisition by the Pac-12. But that seems very unlikely since they don't have any money according to WSU president Kirk Schulz.
Keeping that money is simply keeping the PAC 12 name alive (which is still plausible in this scenario)
I’m just theorizing what I believe is happening behind the scenes based on facts, reports, and Pernetti’s own comments
Still not sure I’d call it likely (though that can change quickly), but nice to see the new AAC commissioner taking this approach
Hearing ESPN wants WSU and OSU in the b12! Reason is for west coast night tv time slot! Lock-on b12 Drake is reporting it.
@@adamcompean9385there’s so much more value for the big 12 with SDSU and UNLV. If the BIG12 wants to expand west the Las Vegas and San Diego (so cal) markets hold so much more value than OSU and WSU respective markets.
technically doing the schedule alliance would keep the Pac-12 conference afloat as an entity, like Big South Conference (who only has 2 members left) and their alliance with OVC. The biggest problem is the American conference pay is under 5 million for new members. I believe only ECU and maybe 2 others are getting 7 million because they are original members.
@@CollegeUnderdogs You are correct, as the Big South conference has done the same thing, by doing a schedule alliance with the OVC to keep their conference alive. Ironically enough the big south only has 2 schools left. The only problem with them joining the AAC is the strain that it would put on east coast schools like East Carolina. ECU has already cut all the sports they can legally cut to save money.
Colorado state, San Diego State, Boise, and Air Force along with the Pac 2 would be amazing additions to the AAC. Having a west wing would definitely be a true American conference. However, I would even go a step further. At this point why not make a deal to absorb all of the teams from the Mountain West conference. Having a big conference is a plus for future TV deals. Having more basketball teams in the NCAA tournament is great for revenue. Being a small conference is not beneficial for the future.
Bringing Oregon State and Washington State in as football only members would be a smart move. Boosts the AAC to the best G5 conference by far and adds fuel to the fire to eventually grab Air Force, Boise State, SDSU and UNLV. A National Conference. ESPN would love that.
As an OrSt alumni/fan, I look at joining the MW as a literal last option. Joining the AAC along with a few other MW schools would be infuriating, but still a much better move than joining the MW and at least more simple than rebuilding the PAC.
Wouldn't the Pac 2 be giving up the warchest from the lawsuit if they did this?
Yes, joining the AAC or the MW are unlikely
Why haven’t you guys dropped a video in so long?? My favorite CFB source
Been a while without a video bro. !!!
I think that something like what you suggest is possible. The thing is that most western schools are used to flying because the distances between schools are greater. I don't think that is optimal for OSU and WSU, but it could be the best option in the short term.
Nah, the Pac-2 will merge with the MWC
OMG! This is ridiculous like the AAC is such a premier league. AF & CSU are happy in the MWC and will not leave for the AAC a weaker conference. If the AAC is such a premier conference then why did they have teams leave. This just makes me laugh!
AAC makes the most out of the G5. Each AAC team makes over 7 million. MW makes around 4. SunBelt, CUSA and MAC make around 1 million each. So yes, getting the AAC is the goal for G5 teams if they can't make it to the P4. Cincy, Houston and UCF left the AAC to the Big 12 and they are making just over 40 million per team. So yes there's legit reason to leave the AAC for the P4.
32 million in the Big 12 is better than 7 million in the AAC.
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There are at least scheduling opportunities available.
AAC needs to be the strongest conference that it can be.
Power 4 is what it is.
IMO schedule Pac2 exclusively with AAC out 4 seasons? then make the inevitable happen.
A bicoastal super-conference made up of the “best of the rest.”
If you’re going to do it do it all the way.
Power 4 conferences will not voluntarily allow any more seats at the table.
The American is in a great position to make that happen.
Still haven’t given up hope that this is the beginning of the return of the AAU as a pathway to future non-football sports realignment in to a more regionalized market.
It will never be a p4
Why not join the MWC? This makes the most sense.
Trey laid it out. The MWC media payout is pitiful compared to the AAC's deal with ESPN. If the AAC also took some of the top MWC schools the gap between them would only increase.
Oregon state and washington state will have to add more prospects from non-pipeline states. They will need to schedule away games with eastern aac oppenents consecutively if they want to make money in the aac.
After the reporter asked that dude the question, all I heard was crickets. But as an Oregon fan, I'm all for The Beavs and Cougs finding a competitive home.
Not to long ago, Colorado st and UTSA agreed to a home and away game for 25 & 26 season. I think if possible, try to lure San Diego into this league for added media market meat. Plus, they got some good athletics but the AAC isn’t that much more competitive than MW. If either could steal 1 or 2 teams from the other, they would be the undisputed top G5 conference.
The AAC is definitely more competitive than the MW that’s why when it’s realignment what conference always get raided? Its the AAC/Big East
@@user-mo7fy3nj6jNaw bro. Top to bottom the MW is way more competitive. Boise and Fresno would have Tulane and Memphis on the ropes. AAC has a lot of dead weight outside of their top 4. Only school in the MW that’s not supposed to be remotely competitive is Reno.
@@N1oreo1 You both are off track. It's not about how good you think your teams are. It's about how much money you generate which will beget better teams in the future. This has more to do with market sizes of the universities. You just have to look at the facts: Current MW media deal 3.75 per school. Current AAC contract around 10mil per school and goes up every year. There is also a big disparity of how much each school is valued compared to their conference peers and again it has nothing to do with how 'good' they happened to have been over the last few years. That all changes from year to year. But big and small markets always remain either big or small over time. So the question is which of the MW schools and AAC schools could join the PAC2 and get a contract greater than the current AAC contract? For example Boise State. Good program, horrible market, like 95th market in the U.S. Compare that to the markets of San Hos St. or North Texas (Dallas/Ft Worth). Which are the 6 biggest markets in the AAC and MW? Those are the ones you want in the PAC12 to make their required minimum of 8 schools within two years. They can just wait out the 2 years. Who knows, maybe the ACC implodes and other schools become available, perhaps Stanford and Cal want back into the PAC-12.
With the MW and AAU arguing who is best. They should create a bowl game, which they would own, pitting their champions against each other. This is how the Rose Bowl was created.
On one hand it would be great to add those two schools to the American. But if they dont bring thr conference teams extra money, and they make it harder for the current AAC teams to make the playoffs by having to go thru them, is it worth it to add them? What's in it for Memphis, or Tulane to add these achools? The best positive is it instantly makes the AAC the undisputed best G5 conference. That doesn't mean something. But is that worth adding two teams that may take over the conference, for the current members? I get it raises the level of competition, and that makes everyone better. I think I would be for it, but The only benefit the group of five has is the easier path to the playoff. If we make our path harder, are we really helping ourselves?
They should be. Oregon State has been a competitive Power 5 team for the past few years, going 25-13 the past 3 seasons. That's better than a lot of the teams in the Big 12, ACC and Big 10.
I think the best option for OSU and WSU is to try to rebuild the Pac 12 as the best G5 league to have a good chance at the CFP. As an OSU alumni, would rather see a Big 12 invite, but very slim chance of that happening until the next round of media negotiations.
Mountain west should merge with pac2.. and look to add Tulane, and UTSA.. .. AAC should look to merge with conference USA... Sunbelt and Mac should merge...
Must be a Tulane fan.
Tulane isn't leaving the AAC because currently they get $7 mil a yr . Way better than anything the MWC can offer.
Same reason No other AAC teams will leave or merge with CUSA or Sun Belt .
What’s really going on with UConn, Gonzaga, WashSt, OrSt, Big12, ESPN, Fox ???
I think there is 3 charaters in this story and 1 side character.
The PAC2, MWC, AND the ACC with the American in the sidelines.
So we know the ACC situation is choppy. Clemson and FSU want out to the SEC.
Are Wazzu and OR St waiting for the ACC to implode and then Cal and Stanford come back calling. Then those 4 rebuild the PAC with top MWC teams?
Why didnt they try to join the ACC?
The ACC didn’t want them.
This season Fox and ESPN will look at the viewership numbers for all 21 games the PAC2 plays and compare it to how other P4 teams play against other P4 teams, G5 teams, and FCS teams. This season the PAC 2 plays 16 G5 teams - the 8 teams from the MW each play - 5 P5 teams - Cal, Purdue, Texas Tech, Washington, and Oregon - and the two FCS teams. For each game, Fox and ESPN, and maybe NBC, will look at the TV ratings and see how other bottom-level P4 teams compare to the 5 P4 teams and the MW/G5 equivalent teams in viewership. ESPN will be looking at them and comparing the viewership to Cal and Stanford. Fox, probably will be comparing them to Cincinnati, UCF, and Houston this past year. The question arises if FSU and Clemson do leave the ACC in 2026 who will be the first to poach them to the B12 and ACC, Fox or ESPN, respectively?
2025 scheduling alliance with the aac 🔒
Sounds to me like he said We are open to options but adding WSU and OSU are unlikely. Just my take.
I'm trying to understand why the AAC is trying to be righteous by saying they don't want a lot of travel between schools when EVERY P4 conference has schools from east to west. At least an East and West division should work better than the other conferences.
So the Commissioner had nightmares about Rutgers traveling to Wisconsin. They do & the Big Ten is thriving because of it. If the AAC does it, the conference would be the undisputed best G5 and guaranteeing the CFP spot. That's what you want.
The reason Wazzu and Oregon State didn't make a deal with their Oly sports and the MWC was by putting all of their sports in the MWC, they would forfeit all of the PAC money.
Falsehood. It would not cost more for espn if wsu osu go to big 12. The revenue from wsu tv broadcasting is higher than az,asu,uu and cu, so they make more profit.
If espn covers osu wsu in aac they dont make profit , so it would be a more costly move for them
Seems like the Commissoners comments are much too vague to make much out it of rather than just pure speculation.
Thanks for the content, Trey! Birds up! 🤙
AAC East
UAB
Army
Charlotte
ECU
FAU
Memphis
Navy
Temple
Tulane
USF
AAC West
Air Force
Boise St
Col St
North Texas
Oregon St
Rice
SDSU
Tulsa
UTSA
Wash St
Not bad, really.
If you go to 20 in football, you could just play your division (9 games) plus 3 non conference.
Then the AAC champ would almost be guaranteed the CFP G5 spot. It would nearly cut about 40 some G5 teams out of the conversation, so in that sense it'd be a very alpha move.
This is exactly the configuration I was thinking about too. It'd be so far above the other G5 leagues it'd be silly. Even if the AAC later lost a few members to the ACC, it'd be better positioned to remain the top G5 league by already having grown to 20 with two distinct divisions in the East and West.
I’m pretty confident Temple would vote against any member west of the Rockies being added unless they significantly increased media revenue
To me, the easiest thing would be for a total merger between OSUWSU western athletic conference, and then their merger with the AAC after that you would have a West division and a East division equal number of schools in both that seems to solve all the problems with scheduling and other the schools having to take cross country trips, every once in a while all the other conferences above them are super conferences so that would be consistent to me. Love your channel. I wish you success.
The AAC already has a few members to help fill out a western division: Rice, UT San Antonio, North Texas and Tulane. OSU and WSU would make up members 5 & 6. Air Force and Colorado State plus maybe Boise and San Diego State would complete a 10 team division. The MWC payouts would plummet farther behind the AAC's.
I like where you are going with this, but Memphis and Tulsa are further West than Tulane. But everything else you mentioned I tend to agree on to some .
@@michaelwall3393 I think you should look at a map and correct your comment.
Who the next school leaving the american?
The American Pac 12 sounds great and it all comes down to $ Facts
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Very AAC biased video.
Dude it is primarily an AAC podcast. The Big Mountain is way worse and even more biased. WTH 🤦♂️ are you rambling about?
Would be nice to have an East/West AAC. Or even a 20 member 5 section league like:
OSU, WSU, Boise, Fresno
SDSU, UNLV, CSU, AF
UTSA, Rice, Tulane, Memphis
USF, ECU, 2 other southern schools
Army, Navy, Temple, UCONN
But ditching 10+ schools is expensive and messed up.
UTSA, RICE, TULANE and N. TEX
ECU, USF, MEMPHIS and UAB
@@robertdedrick7937there we go. I like it
You don’t need UNLV. Put in Tulsa with SDStU, CStU, AF. The only schools from current AAC to be left out would be UNCC and Wichita State. You make all three service schools full members and could keep Wichita State and add a few other schools from WCC and Summit and Horizon non football leagues to have 24 Olympic sports schools and 20 football schools. So it would be as follows from the football side of things:
OzzU, WazzU, Fresno, Boise
SDStU, AF, CStU, Tulsa
UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
Memphis, UAB, USF, FAU
Army, Temple, Navy, ECU
The Olympic Sports conference configuration would be the same plus the following division or pod of non football schools joined together:
Wichita State, Oral Roberts, Gonzaga, St. Mary’s as non football but all Olympic sports pod/division
OzzU, WazzU, Fresno, Boise
SDStU, AFA, CStU, Tulsa
UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
Memphis, USB, USF, FAU
Army, Temple, Navy, ECU
I do believe what I just created works well and contribute to the conference getting way more money than now at around 15-18 million dollars per year per school and maybe flirt with the 20 million dollars range.
Please don't forget that the AAC lost all its best members. Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, SMU are gone. Half of the current AAC came from Conference USA. It's hardly the premier G5 conference anymore.
Highly doubt OSU and WSU would want to join Conference USA 2.0
You can have the same augment about the ACC half it’s members are from the Big East
@@user-mo7fy3nj6j Big East was a Power conference. Equal to the ACC. Conference USA is a step below the American.
You don’t need UNLV. Put in Tulsa with SDStU, CStU, AF. The only schools from current AAC to be left out would be UNCC and Wichita State. You make all three service schools full members and could keep Wichita State and add a few other schools from WCC and Summit and Horizon non football leagues to have 24 Olympic sports schools and 20 football schools. So it would be as follows from the football side of things:
OzzU, WazzU, Fresno, Boise
SDStU, AF, CStU, Tulsa
UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
Memphis, UAB, USF, FAU
Army, Temple, Navy, ECU
The Olympic Sports conference configuration would be the same plus the following division or pod of non football schools joined together:
Wichita State, Oral Roberts, Gonzaga, St. Mary’s as non football but all Olympic sports pod/division
OzzU, WazzU, Fresno, Boise
SDStU, AFA, CStU, Tulsa
UNT, UTSA, Rice, Tulane
Memphis, USB, USF, FAU
Army, Temple, Navy, ECU
I do believe what I just created works well and contribute to the conference getting way more money than now at around 15-18 million dollars per year per school and maybe flirt with the 20 million dollars range.
No!! Not even close. We are going to the big 12 after 2026. Trust me. And We are scheduling a games with the big 12 next season. If we move in Before 2026 we don’t get to keep any of that money.
MHver’s rumors were debunked. B12 is only talking to ACC schools. I think OrSt and Wazzu go to the ACC to help Stanford & Cal
@@ericruby3088 this didn’t age well.
Wsu and Osu belong in a P4
I don't know about WSU
@@renatoleduc274 WSU is far more successful than OSU.
How so? Football not as good as oregon state last 3 years. Oregon state athletics across the board other than mens basketball are much better as well. @KaelanF
@andrewgomes5674 wsu has easily been better the past 3 years. Better history, more viewers and more revenue. Oregon state was the worst team in the PAC. One good season in 10 years doesn't mean they are a good program
@@KaelanF ratings in viewers last year we were better. We are also better across all sports in general..
Yeah they want to come to the American. lol
They wanted a scheduling alliance with the mountain west? They wanted to be a 2 team conference? The wanted NO access to the CFP? They wanted to be playing with no primary media partner?
lol
They’re get more tv revenue than joining the MW
Nah if Stanford and cal would've come then yeah. But X12 will get them in 2 years.
The MWC only made their agreement for football only and didn't want the other sports so that is why WCC is the landing spot for their oly's. Any thing else is just fool's gold.
Washington State and Oregon State want their PAC 12 money and eat their cake too. I think this makes them hard to work with. If they join, they lose.
Let them.join the AAC. It would be a mo e dumber than the ACC Adding the 2 Bay Area Cancer Schools.
Im curious to see how the ACC navigates this next 6-12 months
@@CollegeUnderdogsTrey I agree with you on Air Force; but remember, the Air Force Academy is an all-in institution for sports that particular conference sponsors and supports and competes in. Army and Navy would have to become full members. I am more than happy to see that happen definitely. Because I want as few to almost no schools that don’t sponsor football at D1 level or D1AA level with or without scholarships. It’s a bad look for the conference. Now if Gonzaga and one other college that is non football goes to one of the A4 conferences or to two other conferences in the A4, then another non football school would be fine. But I still want all three service schools all-in for all sports.