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You know when you watch a review after purchasing a headphone to validate your purchase? Yeah.
😂😂😂😂😂
What this guy said 😉
i dont even own these but i did the same for my 1990s 😂
@@inthebackwiththerabbish I prefer the 1990s to these tbh especially for gaming. These are just meh!
Lmao I do this after everything I buy.
Andrew from 'The Headphone Show' measured the new Sundara revision and he indeed found slightly heightened bass response and little bit tamed down highs.
Absolutely great to receive a heart❤️ from Joshua! Joshua, you were one of the main reasons why I brought Hifiman Sundara (the new revision). I trusted your review of the old variant and believed that this one would slightly improve on that based on what I heard.
How did you know its revised Sundara? I want to buy revised one but can't find the difference by the look
@@InSaNam0603 If you buy one new now, it will be the new version. You can also email hifiman the product id and ask them if it's the new revision
@@InSaNam0603 I just emailed Hifiman with the serial number of my Sundara and they confirmed it is the new revision. Looks are pretty much the same, so you can't rely on that.
@@Hari-kx2er Thank you so much. I gotta check mine as well
Isn't this video misleading? The silent revision has been around for over a year. I clicked on this video thinking there's an update to last years revision so I'm still confused as to whether this is just a year late review.
Very clickbaity
Yeah, that should've been more clear. But I can almost guarantee this is a new revision as he has been talking about that last revision for a year...
@@TROONTRON He should clear that up though he doesn't respond much in the comments section. Lets see if DMS or Resolve puts out a video soon.
I bought mine about 3 months ago. The pads are slightly angled and very soft. Are these the ones hes talking about or is there yet another new revision?
I didn't feel like it was misleading. Hes just late to the party for reviewing the 2020 revision. Z did one not too long ago, I think...lol
Would you please clarify what many are asking. There was a 2020 revision with pads. In this video you seem to indicate that they have been revised again. Please clarify are you talking about a 2021 revision or the old 2020 revision
There's only the og and 2020
Yup, I was thinking the same...
I asked a question to the manufacturer. Here is the answer "Thank you for contacting us. As the manufacturer, We assure that nothing has been changed to the driver to tweak the sound of SUNDARA. We've only improved the stock earpads for enhanced durability by changing the glue, but didn’t change the shape or size. So actually we never have the "Stealth Revision version".
Yeah this is a bit late, but it's just the 2020 silent revision. Resolve did a full comparison of it already. The only change is just the pads which explains the very slight change in sound. It's not that night and day unless you have the new and old pads in 2 different Sundaras and like to swap to them quickly
its using a newer version of the driver
@@chrisk3127 nope, not even.
@@aerternaeaerumna5158 "80% thinner than the previous revision"
@@chrisk3127 you mean 80% thinner than the HE400I driver? Bruhhh. There's no nee Sundara driver, otherwise they'd call it a while new headphone like a Sundara II. Provide a source if you have one cuz the 80% thinner is literally stated compared to the 400i
@@aerternaeaerumna5158 hifigo.com/products/hifiman-sundara-over-ear-full-size-planar-magnetic-headphones?_pos=8&_sid=0395c4a76&_ss=r
nothing about a 400i
Included cable still sucks ass. Mine was DOA but it did get me a reduced price and I’m getting an aftermarket cable anyways.
I used the original SE cable to test my Sundaras out and then swapped it out for a balanced set. Sounds awesome on my Jot2.
💯 agree , what an embarrassment
@@jeanm1383 What’s embarrassing is people getting a class leading planar magnetic headphone for such an incredibly low price and whining about the cable. 😂 Most people are gonna change it for a balanced anyway.
Awful, immediately bought a Periapt, never looked back
Hi Josh!! Which DAC and AMP combo do you recommend to get the most out of the sundara?
ive had an amazing time listening to my sundaras with my schiit stack modi 3+ and magni heresy. gotta give these babies all the power you can give them tho. really want to know how these sound on the drop thx 789 tho. Overall i eq'd them to get some more bass and pretty much left everything else alone and have had the greatest time with them.
@@BC_CARS what EQ settings did you use and what software?
I use SMSL Sanskrit 10th mkii Dac coupled with Schiit Magni 3+ Amp. The combo is awesome.
Im using a schiit magni heresy for the time being with my schiit magnius coming in tomorrow. Sounds pretty good but some more juice couldnt hurt
@@JBBIV I’d be carful. I was running high gain for the longest on my sundaras and I started to notice some rattle. Been running low gain ever since. Hard lesson on loudness. They still are fine. God forbid they go out I’ll happily get another pair. God they just so damn good
Broke down and got a pair, mostly because of your reviews. THANK YOU! I have a pair of DT 1990 Pros (also because of your reviews) that I absolutely love for mixing/mastering, but they've always felt a little clinical or something for relaxed listening. Don't quite know how to explain it - the Sundara's have all the detail you could ever want, but they don't hit you over the head with it. Just got 'em and I think I'm in love.
do you the sudaras for your professional work? or are these more for fun casual listening?
@@suzukitaka4470 I haven't used them for mixing work yet but I do plan on using them for upcoming sessions. Overall I'd say they're great for casual listening but def have detail and clarity to spare for more critical work.
So you would easily choose sundaras over 1990 pro ?
And one question is imaging and sound stage better than 1990 pro?
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@hellofriend4941 I wouldn't say easily at all... Soundstage feels more open on the Sundara, but imaging I'd probably say 1990. 1990 closer to a flat response, so if I absolutely had to choose I'd probably pick them for work. But the Sundara takes EQ really well and they're just a really easy listening experience. They complement each other nicely, offer different but related experiences if that makes any sense. A/Bing them for final mixes has been very useful. I've sold all my other headphones but kept both of these. Hope that helps. 🤷♂
Listening to this review with my Sundara 2020 version. YESSSSSSSSSS!
Plot twist: this is 2021 revision
@@PratikDaga23 wait WHAT
@@jldkrank no, there's not 2021 revision. It's just the 2020 revision otherwise more info would be available on it, but there isn't. Means it's just the 2020 and the review was just late OR I didn't look hard enough
@@aerternaeaerumna5158 I've been seeing rumblings that this is what that is. But who knows until HiFiMAN says something
I just got them a few days ago. This is the first pair of quality headphones I've purchased. I'm using them with the ifi iDSD Signature and they sound great, but being a noob, my frame of reference is limited.
As long as you're enjoying what you have, that's what's important.
That set is looking sooo crisp!
Set breakdown video?💥
Congrats on 100K!
is the QC better? That's what I want to know. I got two of their 2020 versions and they both came with DOA cables and bad jacks on the cans.
wow. I know the shit cable they supply bends real easy. but bad jacks? thats nuts.
Late reply, but the QC is still bad. I bought it this past July, the left side driver or jack in the headphone was messed up and that whole left side was silent. Returned them for a replacement pair, and after little over 1 month normal use, the same exact issue on the left side came up. I’m trying to get a refund now, but the refund policy is only 30 days and I’ve had these replacements for over 1 month already, so we’ll see how it goes.
@@day6stan how did it go?
I'm sorry, is this another silent 2021 revision on top of the 2020 silent revision?
Yeah I just bought the 2020 version.. I hope this is the one he's reviewing...
2020 revision is the one he’s referring to. It’s the newest revision yet to date
@@davidcoons89 well, that's a relief! Thanks mate.
@@davidcoons89 phew thanks bro
well well well. my first pair of sundara's are coming with the UPS guy today!
Wow! Will get one later this year as a planar counterpart to my 560s. I can't wait. Enjoy and let me know how you like it first impression 🔥
@@maxiclasher for sure! I'm a little worried that my Schiit Heresy will make it a little too bright and thin based on what I've read, but also some of those reviews are realllly looking hard for things so there's a good chance I'll hardly notice.
@@jldkrank naah I really don't think you're going to have any issues. These kind of differences are so small I'd bet you wont be able to tell a difference in a blind test (unless you go really high end)
@@jldkrank funny thing, I just got my Sundara two weeks ago and now am receiving the Heresy as well. Funny coincidence.
@@Lmaoeatrr how do you like the combination of the heresy and sundara?
Its ironic that even with at least 2 revisions, Sundara is one of their most consistent products.
There wasnt any revision.
Well that is a Chi-fi for you
Is this another revision on top of the 2020 revision?
Yes, as he mentions - this is a silent revision.
@@Genoflesh the 2020 was also a silent revision, so no, it's not mentioned very clearly. In fact, I assume this is the 2020 silent revision he's talking about.
@@basmeer4807 yea i agree, this should of been made clear because i LEGIT just bought these today! glad to know it's just the silent revision done in 2020
@@DamZFXBeats same boat haha i nearly canceled my amazon order
@@basmeer4807 Comparing the pads of the Sundara in the video to mine (dated March 2021 from Hifiman official store in Amazon Japan), it looks like this is 2020 revision
Joshua I just found your channel a couple days ago. Absolutely awesome content! I’ve been into music my whole life but just now really trying to enter the audiophile world. I just ordered a Schiit stack with the Heresy and the a pair of Hifiman HE4XX. They will be my first open back headphones. Thanks for all the help! Really wanted the Sundara but just couldn’t get the stack and spend that much on the headphones right now lol
How do I know if I have the 2020 revision? Just based on the purchase date? But what if the seller had an older version? Ugh, so many questions. Kinda tempted to sell my Sundara and buy them again just for peace of mind.
is there a way to tell them apart though? like maybe old stock vs. the new revision?
Yeah, if you order one, how will you know if you are getting the latest version? Unless you have both in hand?
Check the registration card, numbers that start with 20 are the newer revision. Mostly if you buy from Amazon, they no longer stock the previous revision.
@@scottsterry8119 see my other comment
@It Wears On A Person very true, for headphones purchased in 2020. 2021 SN#s start with 10
@It Wears On A Person Feel free to contact Hifiman, who will tell you the same thing they told me, which I have replied with above
Conspiracy hat on, silent revision are there to hurt resell value, so people will buy new instead of 2nd hand.
That seems perfectly reasonable and not like a conspiracy imo
you can just buy the new pads from hifiman.
its not like they "nerfed" the previous Sundara (like phone companies do), so i dont think Hifiman did anything in bad faith
Or it makes the old revision more desirable if the changes were disliked.
Definitely. Very typical Hifiman.
The Sundaras with the THX Onyx dongle DAC with my iPad Pro is my daily driver and love them. I just replaced the ear pads on my Sundaras with Dekoni sheep skin memory foam pads and love it. These are awesome headphones. I also have the Aryas for desktop listening, and with the MOTU M2 you can actually power the Aryas from the usb-C connection on the iPad Pro which is cool.
Iv heard that hifimans dont handle pad swaps well. Im guessing this isnt the case for you?
Hi Joshua, I used this Not-a-review to order my Sundaras. I have a question for you: I use a Motu Ultralite 5mk as my audio interface for everything (recording and listeing). Would I get a better sound for my Sundaras with an extra amp or Dac? The Motu interface has an ES9026PRO chipset. Do I need more power and a better DAC? Thanks!
Is this worth getting if I have no planars but I do have an Elex? I wanna try out a planar but the sound signatures sound kind of similar from what I've heard
Honestly I think it’s worth a shot. Get it off of a vendor that allows free returns and go for it.
Not sure about the elex, but my elegia ad my sundara are two different tings especially at violin concerts. While the elegia for me is better for pop/rock
@@Dovndyr13 Thats funny, I also used to own both the Elegia and Sundara simultaneously. Then I moved up to the Elex and Ananda, and now I own the Arya and the Clear lol. The focals definitely tend to be better for higher energy genres like EDM/rock, but holy hell the Hifimans, especially the Arya, are extraordinary for orchestral, acoustic, and atmospheric tracks.
@@nortonfamily6711 well the elex is cancelled for, to many quality isues for me in europe. So i might go for focals newest under 1000€ or straight to the clear. But the ananda already is on my list for later this year
@@Dovndyr13 I would go for the deal on headphones.com right now for the original clear, if they ship to Europe. It is currently $990, which should be a bit over 800€.
And yeah, getting an Elex in Europe seems like a humongous pain. Even if you manage to get it shipped to you, if you run into its infamous voice coil failure issue, you're kind of screwed warranty wise.
By comparison, the Clear's QC is much, much better, and if it does happen to have issues, it won't be a logistical nightmare to get it replaced.
Resolve said the slightly increased bass response was maybe due to the new pads creating a better seal, because the new pads have an angle to better fit a person's head.
"I think there are benefits to doing it both ways"
-Joshua, 2020
Lol
2021
@@kablooie-vv5hf oh god
Josh knows what's up
Still have the HE5..they must've released 500 headphones since
Thats one of their best headphones....way better than Sundara.
@@omni6409 Definitely....I still got my HE-500 and coudln't stand 5 mins with the Sundara. Too flat.
I picked these up two weeks agoand can't seem to take them off. My 6xx are fully retired now.
Have both also and generally prefer the Sundara but if you have not heard the 6XX on a good otl tube amp (like Schiit Valhalla, Bottlehead Crack, Little Dot Mk2 or 3, etc.) you owe it to yourself to do so. It takes the 6XX, 600, 660s, and 58X to the next level.
Just bought these a few days ago and I F****** LOVE THEM. I'm pairing them with the Topping A30 and D10s.
This is one of the great audio bargains. A born classic.
So now it's similar to an lcd2 but without the bass. Good value.
EQ it and it's a bass monster. And it does so without added distortion.
Can confirm. These have so much headroom in the bass department you can EQ. They will literally vibrate your skull without distorting if you EQ the bass right
@@David-gp3fd These cans have a modest rumble out the box, nothing massive, but you can definitely feel it in bass heavy music... So i can easily imagine it being a bass monster with some EQ, been trying to get a hold of a Schiit Loki Mini+ for my Modi and Magni stack, but the local businesses are currently out of them, and not ordering more apparently. : /
I am looking to buy this headphones, but how do make sure I buy the updated version?
P.S I am not very knowledgeable in headphones, I am open to suggestions.
I am looking to spend around $400 to $600 max if they are incredible value for your money..
My intended purpose is for general music listening, music production and mixing (rap, gospel, intrumental keyboard, and techno.) And maybe some gaming on Console.
I really want the Sundaras, but I am not fully sold out on them because they are not closed back headphones and not having noise cancelling. I heard the closed back and noise cancelling are better for music production and mixing that's why.
Any input is appreciated.
Thank you.
I've paired these with a Smsl Sanskrit Mkii dac (powered) and a Xduoo MT602 amp. To me they sound blood amazing. Listening to the Legend of Zelda Great Fairy Fountain from the 25th anniversary CD you can make out the instruments being shifted around.
I think that's more with how the track was recorded if anything. That piece is just amazing overall. Wish I knew where my cd went.
I have a Schitt Stack (heresy and modi+) and a pair of HD6xx, do you think it would be worth it to upgrade the cans/ could my setup properly handle them? Great vid!
I have that setup with Sundara, it works perfectly. :)
Is this the 2020 revision? Or did they do a 2021 revision? Is this vid a bit late? I'm lost.
Another question for a good stereo amplifier of Denon AVR 2800 (dated 1997) , do you think that I need an Ampli for headphones too (like LOXJIE P20 Full Balance) ,or..the power of my stereo amplifier is enough?thanks for reply ,ciao
The headphone output is driven by main front channels via 330ohm or similar value. A good headphone amp for driving these headphones shouldn't have more than 5ohm output impedance, to keep freq response constant but plannars usually don't have impedance peak at resonance like regular dynamic drivers. Can't find impedance measurements for them but I found this, so according to RAA you should be OK. The only thing is that the Denon may not be the most transparent comparing to better discrete headphone amps (yeah the Sundara amongst many plannars is not efficient and needs more power than most hps to sound even)
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@@pliedtka Hi many thanks for your precise and kindly reply. My denon Sintho-amp is the AVR 1801 (I did a mistake) Output each channel 8 ohms.
The Amazon link you provided is for the original version (which may no longer be available?) sold through a third party. Amazon does have a separate link to what they call the "2020 version" of the Sundara sold directly from HIFIMAN. Not sure you can still get the original style at this point (silent revision and all), but thought it should be mentioned.
Bump. curious which Amazon listing is actually the one Josh is talking about here.
So handsome...
Josh or the sundara?😂😂
@@kiavaxxaskew 😂
@@krayozmines yes
Thanks Josh. I am loving my new Sundara's. Agree with you. For the price, these are Killer!
I wonder if the Sundara can be bass heavy with an Amp or maybe in an Eq in the computer and if anyone knows anything about Eq’s with pc’s can you tell me some programs maybe that i wouldn’t know of please and thank you i’ve been looking to buy these with some Amps like Schiit Magnius and stuff like that please and thank you
I havent used it but equalizerAPO tends to be the go to for equalizers. That said the sundara will take a bass bump if you give it the power.
I wish we have some kind of indication to see which versions or "revisions" we're going to get and I mean... Doesn't really matter how many revisions they do if the QC is not addressed then nothing really changes.
Hi josh. How to know which version I am buying?
If you buy it new you'll get the new one. If not, look at the pads: ibb.co/gjKp3ds
If pad change is the only change, there have been better after market pads that improve the sound for a while already. One of the best headphones for it's price.
So match the old Sundara with a warm sounding class A amp. Or the revision with a more neutral amp.
will fiio k5 pro be good? if no, which di you recc?
@@yourdaddy4422 your amp will be fine, it will drive them well
@@yourdaddy4422
K5 pro specs look good. I haven't heard it. Should be a good choice for the price.
@@BunnyslippersEUC alright thank you )
These headphones have really distorted my perceptions of headphone value. I have trialed many headphones, some at over twice the price and I always feel the Sundara has a either a leg up on some characteristics or other headphones straight up don't sound as good. And I have a solid history of mastering audio. These things are stupid.
You 're the best Joshua thanks for your revisions on Sundara and others headphones.My goal is to purchase the Sundara headphones,ciao Massimiliano from Italy! YEsterday on prime day on Amazon there's no offer about it :-(
i guess to make sure its the newest revision by through HiFiman's own homepage
if the 2020 revision is ok there is the Italian company www.playstereo.com/en/
my 2020 revision bought 2 months ago seem to have the same pads as those he is holding
@@Dovndyr13 Many thanks ! ciao
Stop it Josh! I already got myself a pair of DT1990 Pro‘s originally. Then I absolutely stepped up my game and am now running a Topping D90 MQA/A90 Stack to drive a Sony MDR-Z1R. Buuuuut whenever you upload a video like this I become tempted to buy another pair of headphones😂
the stronger bass response could be due to the new earcups now that they are significantly angled to account for the lack of swivel
Is that Xtrfy MZ1 in the background?
Does anyone know when the updated version was released? I have just ordered a pair of these (last night) and, based on this, I'd obviously prefer to get the newer version!
At the end of 2019. People buying in 2020 already got the new one.
@@atyne_mar that's a relief! I hate getting old, new stuff (or is it new, old)? Anywho, thanks!
@@Alex-tc6jg I feel exactly the same, even if i woudlnt feel a difference, id still pay up a few dollars just for the newer version, which is actually kinda stupid.
Using this beauty with Fiio K5 Pro, and its just phenomenal !!
Yooo same
Sameeee
I bought mine late 2020 and when I contacted Hifiman about a revision, they flat out denied there was a revision.
Hey, Josh, I recently got a pair of HE400se's (based on your review and Crinacle's rating) and I absolutely love them. They're my first dip into "audiophile" territory but I need some advice and hoping you might be able to help!
Assuming you could get the Hifiman Sundara or XS for $200 off, so $150 and $300 respectively, and comfort was a heavily weighted factor (long term sessions and I wear thick glasses), what would you choose?
Which did you get I wear specs too
I think these are probably good but only if you a) fit them well b) own a good amp like the k7 and balanced cables
Most of these improvements sound like they could be handled though some basic equalization. Am I wrong about that?
Note: I just purchased the older version, not knowing about the update -- Amazon didn't display one of those 'there is a newer version' blurbs -- and thought about returning and purchasing this version. But the updates seem a bit lame, and I like the pads on the 2017 version that I have.) Thanks.
Is there any way to tell whether these would sound better with my Scarlett 18i8, or if I run the Scarlett out to a Mackie HM-400 and listen through that?
Can't find much spec on the Scarlett... but the Mackie HM-400 says: 550 mW / channel @ 47ohms (+21 dBu)
I'm really clueless on all these numbers. I currently turn the headphone knob on the Scarlett up to 2 o'clock for a good listening volume, so there's headroom left, but, are they sounding their best with just that piece of gear..?
Today's my 46th birthday and decided to treat myself to these. Thanks for reviewing them. Can't wait to try them
happy late birthday bro
how u enjoying them
@@ightimmaheadout290 thanks. They are awesome.
I sold my ananda and sundara after I got my LCD2C and ZMF Aeolus. I just didn't use them anymore. sad
Praise The Sun 🌞
Real question is, would you still get the Sundara instead of the HD600? They're 400usd and you can usually find them for 300 inside the US.
Really different headphone. For those new into the hobby, easier to like a planar due to bass. But overall, I would rank HD600 above the Sundara. It is very organic and natural, yet neutral and clear sounding.
Is this the third revision?
yes
if hes saying it soundstages and separates ‘like a monster’ does he mean for £300 or does this compete with the higher end stuff too? what does this have a similar soundstage to
In his original review, he gave the impression that Sundara had an average soundstage at best.
These things are beast (as well as in soundstage). They punch way above their price class. They are one of the best open backs hitting the Harman target you can find, at any price.
Relax @@StatusQuo209 . I wasn't taking a dump on Sundara; merely relaying what i recall Josh saying about it's soundstage.
@@ewso100I know homie. I don't disagree with what you said lol.
Sundara is a decent headphone, especially at their price point. As for headstage, it's certainly isn't completely in your head or feel closed in.
I know i'm keeping mine as a back-up, in case my Vérité Closed has to be serviced.
Got mine last week and I'm super happy.
Does these headphones have low volume due to having to meet hearing safety requirements? I have the Cloud Orbit S headphones and I heard they aren't as loud as I would want because they have to meet the hearing safety requirements...which sucks cuz compared to my Shure 750DJ headphones I actually prefer the 750's because they are so much louder, and ACTUALLY I prefer them for gaming too, I honestly think they sound better and have better bass than the Orbit S's which is weird because the Orbit's are suppose to be gaming headphones, with really good bass, but the other ones are better....anyways, back to the Sundara's....are these pretty loud?
Thinking of buying this hf and the FiiO btr5 2021. Is this a nice combo? Wanted the Qudelix 5k but apparently is hard (can’t) find on Europe.
Mine came in today in just a plain box similar to what Drop uses sometimes for their headphones mostly brown with a little strip that indicated it was Hifiman Sundara and no booklet and a QR scan box with warranty and a serial and if you follow them on Facebook an extra 6 months warranty no booklet though. I can't figure out which version I got. I bought mine from Newegg.
Whoa.. Whoa...!!! And i finally bought some moondrop aria thanks to you 😁
How are they? I'm considering it
@@hazeemthariq7284 technically you will find a nozzle filters when you get this and they have important roles... Aria have two kind of sound with those filters
1. The metallic one you will get those airy soundstage, thin bass, clean mids, clear sparkling extended highs , technical signature sound
2. The mesh synthetic one you will get tight and extended bass, slightly recessed mids, not very spacy soundstage, and not very extended highs, Fun & dynamic signature sound
But that's only my opinion since audio perception is very different for everyone
How can you tell if you are buying the old sundara or newest sundara?
Can this headphone sound good (not too dry) paired with an RME ADi-2 DAC FS ( standalone ) ? Or it might sound a tad lifeless or I dunno ?
I’ve just got my Sundara! I use it with my MacBook and it sounds fantastic in comparison to 990pro. Black metal sounds especially good, Dimmu Borgir for example
Get an amp and dac to really make it sing!
@@samza9622 any recommendations for amp and dac?
@@imjohan2 DX3 Pro+ affordable and matching absolutely great with Sundara imo !
This is great news for a lot of people because the price of these headphones is not bad at all. Thanks for the review Josh.
I am new to all that is connected to the headphones topic. Can you use wired headphones like Sundara only for listening to music on a phone or watching youtube/movies on computer without any additional equipment? Is it a good alternative to wireless headphones?
You are confusing me. I just order these from Apos and their coming from their Chinese factory. They assure me that they are the latest edition. A year ago I heard about the stealth revision and here you are doing a video again about revision, very confusing.
So please can you answer a few questions?
1. How many revisions was done on the Sundara?
2. Are the Sundara from Apos the edition you are referring to in this video?
3. How can I specifically tell if I have the revision you are talking about in this video?
Please clear this up for me, I would greatly appreciate it
Thanks ☺️
Just bought the sundaras used and the ear pads are my more shallow on the front like on the video. I'm just trying to figure out, was the old revision completely even or was it more shallow on the front but less so? Trying to figure out what version I have.
literally just received my pair today after long debating whether or not get these of Sennheiser's 660s or 58x
Good choice, I personally love Sundaras but i would love them even more if they had a slightly wider soundstage.
Hi all, Would you recommend these over the verum1, roughly the same price. Or save my money and go for the hifiman 400se..
Cheers
is this the Jan 2020 revision?
So... another reviewer showed the original Sundara had major quality control issues with the pads being uneven leading to an uneven seal with massive differences in left/right in db measurements. They then fixed the pads and still showed some fair amount of deviation between the left/right drivers. Do you have any information on this being fixed in the set that was loaned to you or is that still a roll of the dice?
If i have the he400se (china ver. No stealth magnets), will the sundara be a huge upgrade? Or shud i go higher in price and go for something else?
Is this different from the 2020 version? So now there's a 2021 version too?
This is the 2020 one there is no 2021 version
When did this revision come out I just got a pair like two to three months ago and it’s paired with a schiit hel. Being my first pair of HIFI headphones I’ve never been happier with music
Hello my friend, one question, what is best, new focal clear mg pro vs hifiman Arya, what is best sound in total?
Listen to this review on my 2020 Sundara - thanks to an old review of yours. Love them.
I have nuraphones! Are these better sound quality of those? Im thinking of getting these paired with an ifi hip dac 2 portable amp
Appreciate your reviews. sundara they respond well to a shelf eq of a few decibels in the bass or it makes the music muddy?
My Sundaras now make a weird crinkling noise in the left earcup sometimes :(
How does it compare to the Dan Clark Audio Noire?
Also how much unit variation is there between Sundaras?
If I buy one, how will I know I'm getting the authentic sound or a slightly faulty, slightly off timbre or off tone one?
Don't have the DCA Noire but do have the AFO X (which granted are open and tuned a little different). I love the Sundara but to my ears the AFO X is superior in almost every category provided you run them with an amp with some good clean current.
Hi and thanks for the video, I am actually looking for a good no ANC headphone to use with a smartphone (a relatively dead headphone cause my last purchase momenutum 4 is hurting my ears a lot cause of ANC) i know this is not the same kind of product, but do you know if this can be plugged with USBC? I was also thinking of the deva pro, that I know for sure can be plugged with usbc. do u think its would be a good choice for what iam looking for? If you have any other product that you would advise me please do! Thanks again, keep it up!🎉🎉
Hi! Thank you for your video, it was nice! I started to think that I would like to get my hands on these. I am a bit troubled tho because I don't understand much of this HiFi stuff yet, I bought this BT DAC thingy (Fiio BTR 5) for my other headphones and when I went and checked the specs on that and compared to these, I don't think I can use that with these headphones. Could you point out maybe one or two entry level amplifiers that I could use with these if I am going to get these? Sorry for the trouble 😅
Great, but how can I recognize the new Sundara without opening the box?
How are they compared to the audio technica R70x? I own a pair and they are great
so what are the key features to look out for if you want to purchase the latest revision ? and ensure that you are not buying old stock ?
People are talking about a 20/21 revision, but there is only a 2019 revision right? I bought mine in november 2019 and I also have the angled pads and the material looks exactly the same as in the video.
I got mine completely new from the Hifiman store two weeks ago, do I already have this new one?
You do.
you should, check the model number, i believe it’s HE-20
no
in Poland Sundara is now available for $250, Edition XS for $375.
Is this another revision or this just the 2020 revision covered now?
2020 revision
Using mine with the iFi Zen Dac V2 and the iFi Zen Can and running everything balanced🤩🤩 FREAKIN AMAZING🤩🤩
just bought the same setup minus the ifi zen can, i’m excited to upgrade from gaming headphones to these!
@@oscatMeow Nice. It will be a massive upgrade. Hope you will enjoy it🤙🏻🤙🏻
Do you see a lot of benefit of the Can over the Dac? I am running the Sundara with ifi ZEN Dac signature > ZEN Can, so I was never able to test ^^
@@saltylemonslab4759 Benefit of the Can is that it gives a lot more power for your phones
@@saltylemonslab4759 I did test it. The Sundaras sound better through the Can rather than through the Dac🤙🏻
I wonder if it sounds more like an he5xx now just curious.
Great to know, how would this compare to the Sennheiser HD560s (ignoring the cost difference), what headphone would you recommend if I do quite a bit of gaming (fps eSports) and quite a bit of analytical listening?
for gaming idk but when i tried both for music the sundaras pretty much took a massive shit on the hd560s. idk if something was wrong with the hd560s that i tried since most people say they sound similiar. but to me the hd560s sounded like a harsh unclear mess lol. the sundara definitely destroyed them
Would Amazon stocks still possibly be older revisions? Or should every one now be the new version?
Which would be the better choice for a first planar headphone. These Sundaras or the Aeon X? Dont know what FR I like since I only have the 6xx. Comfort is my main concern as I have sensitive ears. Swapped the stock pads on the 6xx for dekoni ones.
Sundara Anyday!! 6XX is Boring.