Dead-ball era baseball, a breakdown
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2020
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Ty Cobb, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Honus Wagner, Buck Weaver and other players from the dead-ball era
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I totally dig the "World Champions" jerseys. Power move.
"world's" which is weird
Absolutely. Specially since baseball was just invented like 2 years before it makes sense to put “WORLD Champions”. Nobody in the world can beat you at a game they don’t know it even exists lmao
OZZYGT baseball was invented like 50 years before this. They were playing baseball during the Civil War.
Double the power move since the banner says 1904 (the year the Giants refused to play the Boston team just for the sake of "they're beneath us, we shouldn't play them")
@@Guy_LastName Weird, but grammatically correct.
The dancing base coach is Hughie Jennings. This is what he was known for and was loved by the fans.
As a player, he STILL HOLDS the record for most times hit by pitch.
Is still* loved by the fans.
I fucking love baseball
I love that. Can I ask how you knew?
Thanks for confirming, figured it was him but wanted to be sure
Imagine if that guy knew that thousands of people would watch him drop that ball 115 years later
He likely wouldn't care. That was Christy Mathewson, one of the greatest pitchers of all time (373 wins, 2.1 ERA) and a guy who was known as one of the humblest players of his era.
You must be fun at parties Mike.
@@Andrew-ht9jd what an original comment, did you generate that at the meme factory bruh?
Andrew lol he’s the serious guy that nobody cares for
@Jagar Tharn smooth
I wonder what it would sound like if Jomboy did these exact same breakdowns of old-timey baseball, but using an old-timey voice with an old-timey mic plugin, appropriate scratchy recording sounds, etc.
It would sound old-timey as fuck
With an old timey advert. "Sears Roebuck, for all your knick-knacks and paddywhacks"
I'll throw out some other phrases:
That was a real dandy/beaut
Golly!
Well, shucks Mr.!
“This video brought you by Camel cigarettes. 9 out of 10 doctors recommend the smooth and healthy choice.”
Underrated comment. Jomboy we need this
Although a deep Brooklyn accent would be perfect, the "Metro Atlantic" accent, with a slight New York/New England influences, was a sought after feature of radio announcers in the day. The inflections allowed for clearer communication over radio given the poorer quality of transmission in those days.
Was Joe West messing up calls back then too?
yes
Nah, back then it was Joe West from the nineteen tens
Joe west was probably 30 around this time😂😂😂
Probably, yes, but let's be honest, if Babe Ruth had to face any of the Dominican or Puerto Rican, or Venezuelan, or Mexican, or Japanese or Korean pitchers today he wouldn't be an MLB player.
It's true and everyone who knows anything knows it
@@slashismyhommie8182 I think he could play against American pitchers, but not pitchers in the KBO or NPB
In 1902, as a member of the Baltimore Orioles, John McGraw was suspended by Ban Johnson for verbally abusing an umpire. McGraw never forgave him. Two years later, as manager of the Giants, McGraw refused to play the AL in the World Series as an act of defiance against Johnson. He instead declared the Giants 1904 World Champions. A year later, McGraw agreed to play Connie Mack's A's in the World Series. The Giants won 4-1 behind Christy Mathewson pitching 3 shutouts in 6 days.
They just didn't want to get run over by Cy Young and Bill Dineen's Boston Americans.
If the Giants brought back Matthewson and McGraw today they'd have a better team.
And they say our generation is full of snowflakes ;)
0:40 "Shoeless Joe Jackson staring into all of our souls making us feel uncomfortable." That's why we love ya Jomboy...
...and hoping that he doesn't wind up in a field of corn in the middle of nowhere!
Jackson was the one who was uncomfortable. He was raised in a very small town without an education. A large city like Chicago was an entire different world to him. And there's the fact that he was ashamed of being illiterate.
What's absolutely mind-blowing is that these guys are fundamentally playing the same sport as what we watch on TV. Sure, everything about the game dynamics and athlete development have changed, but they're playing on the same field, with what's essentially the same balls and bats, (mostly) the same rules... 115 years later and we're still going strong!
and enjoying it
U can even see the fans in left field all stand up after contact @1:36
Like a possible homer
If that windmill windup pitcher was named Chief, then it had to be Chief Bender because the runners that scored on the RBI double had A's on the jersey. The 1904 World Series was not played because the Giants team president refused to play the AL team and secondly, because the 1903 World Series was a voluntary agreement. But the Giants still won the NL pennant, so he probably still claimed the title. 1904 was also the same year that Happy Jack Chesbro won 41 games for the New York Highlanders (Yankees). Love baseball history!
It’s the best history of any sport, by far! Good stuff man.
Definitely a balk
@@mpaulm thats all baseball has now. Nostalgia.
@@mpaulm Boxing would like a word with you. Out back. In the alley.
River's Teeth Ah yes, good point.👌
The third base coaches reaction had me weak ☠️
I was dying lol
You were probably weak to begin with. Do you even lift?
Va beach?
It’s Hughie Jennings, the Tigers manager. He used to do dances like that.
Hughie Jenning had a special yell that became his Knick name. Something like “Eeyah!”
0:45 Now I ain't gay, but DAMN! Shoeless Joe was towing a WAGON
😂
im not so sure you know what gay means
Shoeless Joe brought the cake
@@Ciridan doesn't have to. He just knows he's not. haha
this made me laugh so hard
1:06 "Why I ought! Nah, just playing." Lmao
We need to start asking more of our base coaches. Is it so hard to learn one or two quick routines to celebrate a stolen base or stretching a single into a double?
A simple salsa would suffice, although the Running Man is appropriate and flossing is good too. My personal favorite would be the Worm, to honor those diving slides.
Jomboy Media has the best comment section. I just got buried in knowledge as I perused.
its true. on this episode of watchin baseball I asked a question about the history of stadiums and got pounded with knowledge and insight. ua-cam.com/video/Hzo0JiNHrfo/v-deo.html
@@JomboyMedia They left you gaping.
Here's a bonus stat for you and Jomboy Media .....I'm a firefighter in Tulsa, OK. I work with a guy named Jimmy Kremers. He had 73 at bats in the Majors as a catcher for the Braves. He had 8 hits: 5 singles, 1 double, 1 triple and 1 home run. I believe he is the only player in MLB history to hit for "the cycle" in the fewest at bats.. BOOM. More knowledge.
It's like getting a trunk full of your grandpa's baseball digests and getting lost in the worm hole👍🇺🇸
Players now: Don't do that! It's against the "unwritten rules"!
Dead ball era: Coaches doing a dance for the player being safe.
Looks like modern players are just sensitive.😂
*A LOT more money, fame, women, and hyped up pride at stake now in the game*
I dont see how those 2 things are related at all
Shows how people take tradition just a little too seriously sometimes
@@aguyfromnz537 said a guy from nz, is exactly why it’s unseen by ya
But that's basically everything now... Everything is sensitive and baby-ed down...
Incredible, glad this exists, greatest baseball UA-camr at the moment and he’s covering early 1900s baseball
Ezra Levy 🤣🤣🤣 exactly.... however Jomboy is the best
More of this please. I'm all in for the older footage and special Jomboy breakdowns!
The ump doing the Vince McMahon is the best part of this breakdown.
0:57 That's baseball royalty right there. The two greatest players of the Deadball Era. We're so lucky to have video of the two together.
@Giant Squid Babe Ruth, in the modern era (post 1900) and non pitchers consistently had the highest WAR single seasons numbers. Forget the fact that he started out as a dominant pitcher as well, it's hard to argue against Ruth being the single most influential and best player of all time. Cobb's best season ranks 70th all time, Ruth had 6 seasons better than that.
Ruth was a happy byproduct resulting from the end of the deadball era...Cobb excelled in an era dominated by pitchers Ruth excelled in an era dominated by hitters.
@@manuelper Looking at Ruth's pitching stats, it seems plausible and even likely that he could have been a HOF pitcher as well. Ruth is easily the GOAT. Head and shoulders above the next best.
@@manuelper Although Ed Walsh's 1908 season has to rank as one of the more incredible as he pitched 464 total innings. 1/3rd of the total innings pitched that season by the White Sox were pitched by a single dude.
@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 Yeah, I know dudes threw a lot slower then, but how the hell did that guy still have an arm attached to shis shoulder specially considering 1908 sports medicine (ie. it didn't exist).
Dancing third base coach is Hughie Jennings, the Tigers manager. He was known for dancing in the box like that.
It would be kinda dope if teams wore “World Champions” jerseys with it in the style of their font/logo
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The last team to have a “World Champion” jersey was the 1927 Cardinals. It had a single cardinal perched on the bat with “World Champions” surrounding it. Nowadays, with the exception of a gold-trimmed version of their home uniforms when they receive their championship rings, it’s relegated to a patch on the sleeve of their regular jerseys.
I just saw this! I agree!
@@kenmograd2009 no way! Let's do this again. Hand me the petition. For next season, though.
Its crazy how under every single comment there is a dude correcting the op or just giving some extra information.
That guy's middle name is literally 'Mountain'.
That is awesome.
Kennesaw Mountain is actually a place a bit north of Atlanta, where Sherman tried a bit of ineffectual brute force to break Johnston’s forces. The Confederates were well dug in, and the union attack was repulsed with heavy losses, though I believe General Polk was killed at this time. Despite the very uneven casualties, it was only a temporary stumble in the two armies’ red clay minuet which ended in the taking of Atlanta and the march to the sea.
Slight correction: Polk was killed during the Atlanta campaign, but two weeks prior.
@@nicholasd.5017 Great description!
As this other guy said, his dad named him after a mountain.
He's awesome until you read about his tenure as the first commissioner. He's the guy primarily responsible for the color line lasting as long as it did.
The "why I oughta" caught me off guard and slayed me. 😂
By racist Landis
1:50 "mcreggor walk" LOL
Throws the out call “yoool do fookin nutting!”
Tony Attardo got me dead 💀
The 1904 World Series never happened because the giants refused to play
Hey twin
go cubs!
No, actually it was John McGraw that wouldn't let them play. The team would have played . McGraw hated the American League and their President Ban
stupid cubs fans. old style SUCKS! your lasagna that you call pizza SUCKS! naw I'm just playin. I'm glad i don't have to deal with your traffic or winters. and I'm envious of your world class city.
greetings from st louis😜
Go Cubs!
1:08 WHY I OUGHTA
He probably saw a black usher talking to a white woman
@@pts5217 lol not everything and everybody is racist. I realize you’re joking btw
I think Tony La Russa started managing around this time
💀
Probably started drinking around this time too.
Jomboy sounds like Pat McAfee but on less "I do sex" "supplements".
You've fallen into the old-timey baseball rabbit hole, I'm so happy for you! There's a photo somewhere of Christy Matthewson releasing a pitch somewhere around 1908 and it looks EXACTLY like Tom Seaver's mechanics, fascinating stuff all around everywhere you look.
BTW, that batting practice with the packed stadium must be the 1910 World Series between the Cubs and A's, I'm guessing the handshake between managers comes from the same reel.
Speaking of ye olden World Series, there was very loud talk at the time of rotten players throwing it for money in 1912, 1914 (the Miracle Braves sweeping an A's team pissed off at Connie Mack's miserly ways) and 1918.
Mathewson's books on pitching are amazing. He was easily the smartest pitcher of the early era. He prided himself on painting the corner with his screwball, or as he called it the "fadeaway." He is on the shortlist for the greatest pitcher of all time.
Looked like 1904, because 1908 was when the Cubs last won the World Series, beginning their 108 year drought. And I noticed the New York Giants only won the NL pennant, the 1904 World Series was basically cancelled because they refused to play vs the Boston Americans (now known as the Red Sox).
John McGraw refused to play the “minor league team”. Claimed his Giants were the “world champions” of the “only real major league”. What a shot at Ban Johnson! Hahaha
If that’s the case, we were watching footage from 1905? Maybe
That's Opening Day 1906 in the old Polo Grounds, the wooden stadium that burned down a few years later, before they built the steel and concrete Polo Grounds that stood until the 1960s. John McGraw ordered those "World's Champions" uniforms after they beat the A's in the 1905 World Series. And that's the legendary Christy Mathewson, who doesn't catch the ball back from the catcher at the end.
The first staged handshake is between Frank Chance, Cubs manager and first baseman, on the left and Frank "Home Run" Baker from the Philadelphia Athletics before the 1910 World Series. The next staged handshake is between Kid Gleason, manager of the White Sox ("Black Sox") and Pat Moran, manager of the Cincinnati Reds, before the 1919 World Series.
The film of Cobb and Wagner is before the 1909 World Series. And the third base coach was Tigers manager Hughie "Ee-Yah" Jennings who was noted for his dancing in the coaches bock and for his yelling "Eee-Yah" to pump up the batter.
Thanks, Jomboy. Your videos are teaching me to re-love baseball, a sport I had long ago given up pre-October. )
Love how the outfield wall ads are hard liquor.
Man the dead ball era was the real deal. If I could go back in time to see one thing, I’d watch a game in the dead ball era.
Really? I definitely would have loved to witness a game back then but I wouldn't waste my one chance to travel back in time for a baseball game...✌
assuming going back and profiting off apple is against the rules i would use my one trip to go see Rome or Athens in its hay day.
Why is it called the “dead ball era”!
@@James-cv3dd i recommend taking a look at wikipedia on this subject, it's a pretty good read! but the short version is: The balls were made softer, and were used until they couldn't be used anymore making them really soft; hence "the dead ball era".
Also, the fields were way bigger than today so home runs were rare.
@@tannerrich2388 yeah too much to type an answer for. But u summed it up better than me. Idk the balls were softer. I did know about few homers and runs...✌
Love these old games! Commentary takes it to a new level! Keep em coming Jomboy!
That was so awesome! I'd love to see more of this sort of historical breakdown.
i can’t find a link to hunter rye in the description 😤
I wonder if it was "good" back then. The price hasn't gone up much.
What's amazing is that this is PRE-prohibition. 15 years after this game was played, all of those whiskeys were banned.
That’s because the video was sponsored by Ford. Use the promo code “Jomboy” to get $100 dollars off a Model T.
@@nocalsteve does that mean i can get a model t for 34 dollars?
Jerry Smooth only if you make 6 cents an hour ..
Giants won the World Series in 1905. They declined to play in the 1904 WS against the Boston Americans.
That would mean Boston won the 1904 World Series in a forfeit. They would have 10 championships overall. 6 in the early days, 4 since 2004.
I love your channel man. Your sense of humor is great. Thanks!
I love watching old baseball clips and reading out the history of baseball. It’s absolutely fascinating.
Bring back the diddy dances 😂😂
My god, the theatrics. The pageantry. Those men knew what they were about.
I wish this expanded more on how the game worked in the dead-ball era, when every base counted, players were forced to take additional risks, and each stadium presented a unique set of challenges.
Lovin the new sponsors, JOMBOY! 🥎👍🏜️
1:12 brought joy to my heart. Thanks Jomboy, didn't realize I needed that
The most interesting period. Legendary.
“Legendary” because they suppressed all the good players due to the color of their skin , actually sad asfuck
Always has to be one whiner
@@bestbonifacio640 so white players are automatically worse than black players, I got you.
@@bestbonifacio640 who cares. it was very interesting and legendary. it became part of great American folklore
Players were paid 37 cents and a plug of chaw per game back then.
I just noticed you've never done a breakdown of CarGo's walk off cycle in 2010. Such a badass moment deserves some love
I can’t get enough of you breaking down ancient MLB history. Keep it up.
Babe Ruth was said to have patterned his swing after Joe Jackson. Watching Jackson swing, I can see it...
Jomboy please review Bo Taoshi for a Weird Sport Friday one of these days. Look it up here on UA-cam and you will know why I'm asking. I feel like you're perfectly suited for giving a breakdown of the minutiae at play.
ive been waiting for you to comment on baseball history. youre an absolute legend and a treasure
“Oh a dog”😂😂 love those moments he notices something he missed in editing they add so much flavor
My dead ball era also lasted until I was about 19, 20.
Wait until you get married...
@@georgeblair3894 that's why you should never marry
@@georgeblair3894 Never happening.
@@georgeblair3894 When that happens you just opt-out of your contract lol.
Jesus,
Wagner and Cobb in the same clip. Never would I have imagined I'd see that one day.
Amazing 👏
Thanks for doing this finally. Been following many of them on Way Back Twitter and they been asking why Jomboy Boy aint't doing them some vids. Mostly talking shade.
BTW, they liked and RT this.
Thanks Jomboy, I love the glimpses into the past. The technology that was just barely available paired with an almost other wordily era is so cool.
Agreed. They assumed their era was the best. They exude confidence. Why not? Their stadiums were packed and they’re riding in the new invention known as an automobile.
“He’s going to sway his arms McGregor his arms off right there” 😂😂😂
Hey more dead ball! Thank you Mr Jomboy
Dude.... I LOVE your videos!
Thank you
Been to a few games, but never really watched baseball. This channel has made me so much more interested in the sport!
Nothing says deadball era more than a guy in a "World Champions" jersey dropping a ball.
"He didn't catch the ball there, because, why would he". That's only Christy Mathewson there.
Fantastic Stuff!! Please keep doing old timey baseball stuff
I gotta say, that stadium is kinda fuckin sick. With the packed bleachers, cool building behind left field and a train...love it
It was probably dangerous for the photographers back then too, but people didn't really have time for such luxuries as personal safety
This was the period people were eating lunch on a steel beam 45 stories in the air.
Ty Cobb was the GOAT back then
Ty Cobb was the GROAT - Greatest Racist of All Time.
@@craigrasmussen3559 And in 100 years some one might consider you a horrible human being because you don't meet the standards of 2120.
Absolutely beautiful. Whenever I use the ole “I remember my first beer” saying. I would like y’all boys to know, 3rd row behind home dugout, packed crowd during BP in this video was when I actually cracked my first cold one. Cheers boys 🍻
If I had time machine, the first trip would be to go back and see some of these games. Loved the commentary!
Look how rough the field looks. The subway in the outfield. Wonderful time for baseball
Back when players looked like bar-brawling dock workers.
They probably were. Baseball didn’t pay very much then and players took regular jobs to supplement their income.
@@edwardortiz3430that's exactly what I was going to say 😂 most probably were
Buck Weaver looks like his mom and dad were also brother and sister.
great as always lmao. maybe go for 40s-70s. might get some better/more extensive footage which will help jomboy out a bit more😂
That ad totally worked. I'm going out to get some Old Bushmills Whiskey.
"Why I oughtta...!"
Chief Bender, Im guessing
Awesome stuff!
Also apparently Old Bushmills is in Ireland and is temporarily closed but seems to be still functionable and is owned by Casa Cuervo. Neat.
wow i loved that ... especially the prancing about by the 3rd base coach, players coming home and the umpire ... need to bring all of that back for sure ....
Better than 2020 baseball.
Said no one ever.
@@mistarhymes68 My comment was posted while the season was suspended, there was no 2020 baseball.
Not really. Now more than white people can play in the MLB.
It's amazing that even after this dude clarified his comment, morons are still debating it 😅
Imagine if the Astros wore Jerseys that read "World Series Champions"🤣
"World Series Cheaters" would be more funny. LOL!
Welcome to Plunkville. ⚾️🤕
Do more of the commentaries on dead ball era!! This was so hilarious 😂
You should do a breakdown on the pre-ring rewards that were given out in the early days of baseball, even the pre-WS era. It's something to look at, such as the fact that for their first title the Yankees gave out pocket watches.
They whole dead ball era style is so masculine
is it? literally everyone is super flamboyantly exaggerating their movements and the umpires/coaches very obviously were just fuckin around all the time lol
"Includes paid promotion"
What amazing footage, cobb n wagner just chilling together
Why is it called the dead ball era
This is one of the best breakdowns. Thank you!
A fan???? I even knew that was Commish Landis. Maybe I should get a baseball channel and make some smarmy comments.
Edit...still some cool content.
Landis: "Why I oughta..." ...keep players in indentured servitude! I will CRUSH the Federal League, along with any and all free agent clause hopes players might have!
Yeah I was surprised he didn't know who one of the most famous commissioners ever was.
@@ernestolombardo5811 and if those players don't like being paid less than a hotdog vendor, screw them!! They better not try and make extra $ through what I consider illegal activities because I will ban them from all baseball activities in their future.
At least that my take on his thinking.
Honus and Ty we’re making a bet: whose card would be more valuable (?) 🤔 💰
Probably asking each other how far above .400 they'll hit that year.
This entire video is great, but the "sponsors" at the end has to be the best bit.
This video was abso AWESOME!!! Do more of these??
Imagine a time when there were no high fives, or no butt slaps, what do you do with your hands !?!?!?!
I butt slap people all the time just out in public and they think it's weird but I tell them I'm just trying to encourage them.
You bash
Imagine, the guy credited with starting the "high five" is still alive.
Do what the third base coach does: A little diddy
They should be putting all this old footage through the process Peter Jackson did that WW1 documentary with. At least make it run at a realistic speed.
Very awesome. My buddy still puts bush mills in his coffee in the mornin.
That Bushmills Whiskey sign is really cool
You should do a breakdown of the boner play
Can we look into this? Context NOW
@@shtty17 if there is video of that. It would be cool to see.
Boner play?? 😂
Didn't that happen over 100 years ago? Doubt video was ever shot, and if it was then it was probably destroyed or taped over decades ago
If you want to know more about what this comment is referring to, the incident is better known as Merkle's Boner. There is a Wikipedia article on it and it also comes up in Ken Burns Baseball. Snodgrass's Muff is another infamous error with what is now an odd-sounding name, also mentioned in Ken Burns Baseball.
Is it just me, or did people seem like they had more fun back then?
it's just you
Would have been tough riding trains everywhere and getting called "kid"
No, they cared WAAY more about unwritten rules back then. look at the pitcher wrong, baseball to the head.
In general, or during this game?
“Someone knows, I don’t” god I love this channel
1:20 - Those Wrigley rooftop seats though
Unfortunately Commissioner “Judge” Landis is remembered for being a segregationist. By most accounts he single-handedly stopped integration of the sport until the 40’s when Jackie Robinson finally debuted. But looking at this footage is a stark reminder of both how cool the game was in other eras, and also how a great injustice was done over many many years by keeping very talented players like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige and Cool Papa Bell (to name a few) from playing in MLB just because they weren’t white.
He stopped Bill Veeck from signing 20 Negro League stars on '43
I feel like most of these guys would have a hard time making a college team if they were playing today.
If we’re doing old timey breakdowns you should do a piece about the Cleveland Spiders. Hilarious, tragic, and a lot of fun stats/records tid bits
Pls do more of this historical analysis. Its awesome.