As a Chinese I learnt much history from Chinese perspective. And one thing you certainly learn from history is that empires come and go. A few hundred years in the history book is a mire turn of a page. The world may be dominated by western views for the last 200 years. But certainly doesnt mean the same will be in the future. Be open minded and do not underestimate anyone.
here is the funny thing yes empires come and go ....as far as what you call western views you mean what ? you mean tv car phone electricity and on and on and on the inventions have changed the world thats not western think just inventions but how they were possible were yes what u call western because freedom and capitalism made that possible ....the fact that you have stolen and copied everything we have made for so long now and are embracing capitalism which is why the large part of you now who are not living in utter poverty anymore .....you know communism and how well that worked out for you and to this day how in many places how people are still treated that you dont want anyone to see ...so no we dont need an open mind ..you say what you want but without capitalism there is no wealth for individuals and no way for you to not live like you were .....but hey no worries we do have open minds which is why America was always best as the great melting pot .... i think you should have an open mind and remember even a small country like japan came in and kicked the shit out of you ...
Some truth to this but no one wants to live under communism so China has a long way to go. Funny people think about the States so much get ding even think about the world’s biggest super power in the world (Great Britain).
The great explorer Da Gama was a monster of a human being. It makes me want to weep that he is so casually described as "great." History is so filled with horror and misery.
The vast majority of human history is famine, human sacrifice, disease, war, death in childbirth; only in the 20th century did that begin to really change.
@@fuckamericanidiot well, things were not that bad when we were hunters and gatherers. The real nasty stuff started with civization. I think our whole idea of progress is really about bringing back some of the freedoms and equality we had in our early history, but within the context of the benifits of modern technology and institutions.
@@yellowburger Yeah cannibalism, human sacrifice, death in childbirth, most of your children dying, average life expectancy of 30, zero cures for disease, dying of a rotten tooth, eaten by wild animals, no electricity, no shared language, constant tribal war, killing someone you thought was a friend, frequent famines. The good old days.
1:16:00 the woman asked a great question (and point). You cannot continue to benefit from Imperialism/Colonalism (like Peter Frankopan, relative to the British Royal Family) does without noticing, analysing, apologising and taking responsibility for the negative effects of it.
When does someone stop noticing, analysing, apologising and taking responsibility for the negative effects of it? Can we take coffee breaks? Do I have to go to sleep with the 'We're sorry' podcast series every night? Do I have to apologise every time I buy a capitalism-borne product? No, acknowledge it, live with it and get on with it like the rest of us. And I'm referring to self-flagellating white people. Fuck off you're not interesting.
His school history lessons were far more comprehensive than mine. We had the romans; then Samuel Peyps; then the middle passage of the Atlantic slave trade, but they didn’t call it that, they just called it “slavery”; and that was it. There was plenty of the timetable allocated to history lessons but they would just drum it into you and make you hand copy pages of text to kill time.
I really enjoyed Peter's book The Silks Roads. But after listening to this interview in which he gets many facts wrong and gives a very one eyed view of other points, yet speaks as if he knows it all, it's made me wonder how much of that book can be relied on.
@@dialectixemcee2428 You didn't answer my question. 1. Technological innovation. I'm not going to list them because I assume you don't live in a well. 2. 200 years ago, 90% of the World's population lived in extreme poverty, 10% in relative comfort - now it has inverted largely as a result of capitalism. As a result of technological innovation.
@@fuckamericanidiot some intellectual labor by intellectuals and MASSIVE pjysical labor by an exploited working class did that, capitalism created more poverty than humanity has ever known, more wars, genocides, starvation and misery . Capitalism is a virus to be destroyed.
Yup bengal famine killed more indians than hitler killed jews. Also churchill was very cruel racist. Calling bengal famine he created himself was necessary because "they were breeding too much, so its their own fault".
@@mrlassotool Educate yourself on this famine. Churchill realised there was a huge issue in Bengal and tried his best to alleviate these problems, but for multiple reasons it proved difficult to stem this issue. Here is a useful article:winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-cause-the-bengal-famine/
@@mrlassotool Check the references at the bottom yah tool. The world war effort put a strain on every aspect of transiting food. Churchill will always be considered a significant historical figure for playing an immense role in the defeat of fascism.
felt well sorry for that lad at the end, struggled so hard to get his words out n was obviously really nervous n the guy answers with "yes"... like cheers mate
49:42 - Peter Frankopan claims talc is "found almost exclusively in Afghanistan". Quick google search disproves that - what else is this guy lying about?
Some of his modern 'facts' are slightly not quite right. His view of China too is typical of post colonial power rhetoric. Just for the record, Hong Kong really is part of China and the chance of it ever being anything else is definitely remote. (bound to get some angry replies!)
@@mcr2356hongkong never had free election while the British were in charge. Most high level officials were picked in London and not given to hongkong ppl.
I like the honest discourse but I did take offence at the description of empires as successful. The Ottoman empire was absolutely devastating to Bulgaria. Prior to the Ottomans Britain and Bulgaria's populations were about the same. But today, Britain has 60 million people while Bulgaria has 7. Same with Britain being successful. To the enormous detriment of countless countries and peoples of the world. The privilege of success ay...
When the majority have a better life (Asia and Africa 80% of the world population) that is a great change for the world. I can see this is going to happen in time.
With South Africa, do you not think, coming back to all of the points you’ve made about the way history is taught, there was a little bit of the “good bed time story” with South Africa, in the sense that the wars that helped apartheid collapse were fought outside of South Africa. In Angola and Mozambique. And because the “evil” Cubans were on the good side of that war, and helped Mandela get out of prison, we’ve sort of just deleted that episode from history and the way that we think about apartheid falling. The first country Nelson Mandela visited in the whole world, was Cuba. - Akala.
Or that the West supported and prop up the Apartheid govt while publicly saying otherwise!!! A South African who was in the SA Navy said they routinely had joint exercises with the UK and French navy.
He’s awful. Utterly exposes himself at the end when he flat out refuses to acknowledge the actual harms done by British colonialism and foreign policies, taking the old line of: a local problem, these people do it to themselves with their corruption and parochialism. And he repeatedly makes factually wrong statements. Deeply problematic.
I would be more open minded if the guy in the purple sweater didnt have bias. "The people who voted for brexit the people who voted for Trump," was inappropriate and divisive.
This address was so....so British. Concluding that the Silk Road, or more accurately, the Belt & Road Initiative, is threatening can only be a British conclusion. This gentleman knows that 800 million people have been brought out of poverty, an accomplishment that dwarfs anything the British have done. Yet, he fails to really get it. Good luck Britons.
Is the speech jumping or is it edited to cut out tiny parts of the speech? I am left wondering if parts of the speech were cut out accidentally or otherwise.
Hey Peter, I'm white and I love History, and I'm 15 minutes in and I'm really enjoying your presentation style. Roman's not wanting to live in England!
Great discussion which definitely opened my eyes to where the world is heading. Will definitely be checking out his book. Likewise, Akala has covered stuff in his own book that has given me a total new perspective on how we learn history in school here in the UK.
1:19:12 Frankopan accuses Assad of murdering Marsh Arabs and persecuting the Kurds. I'm assuming he made a mistake and meant to say Saddam. Anyway he still seems to me to have a Western-centric viewpoint on current affairs. Maybe he hasn't read from enough varied sources because they haven't been 'history' for long enough. Only had the time to check through Western MSM, eh?! Ok maybe he is a little more balanced than that, but not much.
@TheTimbalanders Am I going to be an expert on Middle Eastern history? Time will tell but I probably wouldn't fully throw myself into that field sufficiently to call myself an expert. However I am very interested and have read much about the recent wars in the middle east. You can check for yourself about Saddam, the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds, and see if Assad was involved in their murders or not. On that score, I'm correct. The other part of my statement was an opinion. You can feel free to agree or disagree and by all means argue why. But all you have done is questioned my qualification to speak on the subject. Prick.
Don’t think he made a mistake frankly. He was pulled up by the questioner specifically on that, and not only did he actively NOT correct his statement but started going on about all the Saddam’s Hussein materials he’s read (incl apparently classified materials). Nobody, particularly a historian, can have read those materials, know what Iraq’s Ba’ath regime did over years to the Marsh Arabs and then accidentally blame that on a completely different regime. Not to mention anyone reading those materials and still claiming the situation in Iraq is totally a ‘local’ problem which has nothing to do with western interests not just historically but right now is flat out lying.
The Chinesse must be commended for their rapid rise to wealth and strength. Only 80 years ago they were in the "trenches." Today they are bailing out most of the developing world. But I remain skeptical and worried as to their end motive!!!
Peter Frankopan becomes physically uncomfortable the moment Akala hits the stage. I am guessing it's because he feels he is has internalized some of the imperialistic nostalgia he presorts to deconstruct, even if he is not quite aware of it.
Akala is an 'expert' on every subject, it seems. Well, the media are *promoting* him everywhere. Greta Thunberg is another promoted face. Personally, I'd love a public platform myself, but the elites get to choose who gets to talk.
Haha, I love how he highlights the flaws of the British curriculum for history by mentioning how the chronology misses out 1000 years of events between the Romans and Normandy. Then, he himself conveniently glosses over hundreds of years of history by not mentioning European colonialism in the Americas, Africa and Asia--not to mention Oceania! Slavery and colonialism played a massive part in Western Europe's development as a world superpower. How can he not mention that? #DoubleStandard
@@jakibonham Everyone that says things he doesn't like or doesn't say what he wants to hear must be a liar - that's a common thing you see on UA-cam comments unfortunately
I was taught about slavery when I was at school. I also learned about the British empire. Do I think it could of been in more depth? Yes. But let's not pretend it doesn't get talked about at all.
@@mcr2356 but the information we get taught is also untrue: we get taught that Britain was the first country to abolish it - this is untrue, And for moral reasons - also untrue, if you dive deeper into why the British abolished it, it wasn't our of moral responsibility to the slaves, and it still carried on Also it came down to pretty much one British man, responsible for this, not true
There are those who work tirelessly to establish a Heaven on Earth lush green gardens beneath which two rivers flow however yet through all the Toil et Trouble, they fail to Realise Heaven Has NO Manholes
Apr. 12, 2020, the editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News, Dr. John Micklethwait and the political editor of the Economist, Dr. Adrian Wooldridge jointly published article The Virus Should Wake Up the West to despaired sigh: “The job of government is to protect its citizens. The pandemic reveals that key institutions in Europe and the U.S. are no longer up to the job.” “Since Hobbes’s time, the world has come full circle. When he wrote “Leviathan,” China rather than Europe was the center of administrative excellence. China was the world’s most powerful country with the world’s biggest city (Beijing had more than a million inhabitants), the world’s mightiest navy and the world’s most sophisticated civil service, peopled by scholar-mandarins who were selected from across a vast empire by rigorous examinations.” “Indeed, it was the struggle for mastery in Europe that propelled Western government forward: Europe’s monarchies seized on technological innovations - particularly new ships and weapons - to improve their chances of survival. When the Chinese invented gunpowder they used it for fireworks; Europeans used it to blow one another (and then the Chinese) out of the water.” “The West’s governmental advantage is now questionable: Simply ask yourself whether you would feel safer today in New York and London or in Singapore and Seoul? Asia is catching up with the West, and in some smaller countries has overtaken it, in large part because Confucian Asia in particular has taken government seriously over the past few decades while the West has allowed it to ossify.”
Who is this aimed at? it's unbearably patronizing and seems to be at Secondary School level. I've reached about 12 minutes in and can't bear any more. Does it get any better?
Its important for them to erase the history of the world, especially in countries they oppressed, so that they dont revenge.But nothing goes unchecked under the sun,no matter how long it takes.
Attacking people based on nothing but their skin colour isn't going to move the world forward. Be part of the solution. You come across as fragile with this comment.
I can't believe how ignorant it is about the collapse of soviet union ( 42:14 ). Many countries did see the tanks coming and people did die in many countries. Just one example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania) Or just google january events; BBC has had prepared some footage and timeline about these horrible events in Baltics.
I just dont understand how we in the western world can be upset at the growth of the eastern world aka China India Korea etc. completely ignoring the fact that their growth is directly due to our greed. To make great profits off our industries, tech, automotive, agriculture.. we deliberately choose those places to use as cheap labor haven to produce and manufacture our goods and services. We gave them our tech build, we gave them our workforce to manufacture, we gave them our industries just so that the very few of us aka 1% could become so insanely rich, all the while eliminating our own domestic growth. Now we sit angry and jealous that they're using the very technology we gave them to make ourselves rich while treating them like low class slaves for hire. And at the end of the day domestically as people fall on hard times, instead of blaming ourselves, GOV, CEO's, Wall st. and even YOU the stock holders, we blame everyone else , racist hate wondering who exactly took our place in society, instead of facing the truth, that it was us all along who sold ourselves out so that the we could get ever closed to that 1% margin. As we fall to poverty levels our vanity and arrogance has us to believe that the poor is somehow getting richer. As a result we grow ever racist. Fact is... we are a loathing piece of work. foolish, blind and arrogant vain and ignorant. we did it to ourselves and we're too prideful to admit it. Dont believe it.. where were these countries in the 1970's? where were we in the 70's, now the 80's now the 90's think about our growth, and consider the closing of our factories.. whole cities going broke.. we were shifting manufacturing to overseas, tax havens and cheap labor. and in less that 2 decades what kinda growth did those countries experience? wonder why? remember years ago.. all the talk about globalization, it ment laws being passed to open more trade to foreign countries, so that the very few could get enormously rich. and they did. but at the cost of local domestic stability. we sold ourselves out. then what we do.. blame the one guy who did all he could to keep the country from collapsing. Obama. after all the mountain loads of issues passed down from the Deregulation kings, the Bush's and Clinton. which who btw got their pockets fat thru seizing oil. we did it to ourselves. we let the genie out the bottle.. then we threw the bottle in the ocean, and it landed on others shores. And lest also not forget why the all happened , because of greed. Because we are a society reared on the idea that rich is better rich is good, and rich shoud be worshiped. in the 1950's the difference in salary between the ceo/owner and his employees was about 30%, today we have ceo's making tens of millions over their 30 to 40 grand a year employees. there is no logical justification for such divide. but since we worship rich, we choose not to see a problem with. and the rich view themselves as deserving. again, we did it to ourselves. greed. plain and simple.
1:16:17 This lady is insane, it's like infinite credit claim. As if you are responsible for how things are forever, just because in one point in history you were involved. With this distorted logic, Romans today can take credit for everything the English did. Or Persians and Semitic empires can take credit for ancient Greece (which Rome learned off). Or the Chinese can take credit for the original waves that lead to the Mongol empire, but then the Mongols took over china also later so now they can take credit for everything that happened. Or some American claiming that everything some Japanese and German people invent should be credited to America and America's achievement, since after WW2 they were occupied for a while. This is all so stupid, just because some people had influence once. Doesn't magically mean the entire future of the country is the creation of those people, that woman is a fool.
'touch upon the legacy of colonialism and empire', Kingslee Daley a.k.a Akala cannot speak more than a few minutes without mentioning colonialism and empire.
He forgot to mention britains ruthless and brutal conquest of much of the afrikan continent and the millions of afrikans who lost their lives fighting to defend their homelands not to mention the millions of afrikans transported to the socalled new world
They were not great sailors, they were pirates and scavengers, pillaging the lands like gypsies do and sowing tte seeds on contempt to which their offspring will answer, what a stark future!
Interesting. I feel like Frankopan has an anxiety, compulsive, or maybe an ADHD condition. The constant rushing river of speech with a ton of ideas rarely really explored reflectively, numerous examples pouring out without real connection, jumping around, derailments, contradictions. He is a solid academic, regardless of the listener's (or commenters below) agendas or opinions, he's hard to listen to, but I'm sympathetic to him as a person. Akala is an exceptional thinker and historian. He is in the rare position of interviewer in this case, but with a very difficult person to interview, because F is all over the place. As to China, he is much too optimistic and positive about China's intention, confer their actions in the China Sea. It's amusing. The Confucious Institutes are Chinese spy haven's on US and UK campuses. It's pitiable how the US and UK is naive. Globalism, which F is pushing, as well as forced multiculturalism against communities and populations wishes and needs, has failed.
The country that imprisons Muslim citizens (not illegal immigrants) in 'correctional facilities' for being Muslims, imposed a one-child policy, the wonderful 'Great Leap Forward', extreme information suppression (that has no counterpart in the Western world), violent suppression of differing views, extreme restrictions on the Internet, a military arm dedicated entirely to hacking and bringing down Western Civilisation, forced sterilisation of millions and millions of women, organ harvesting, forced 'conversion therapy' for LGBT+ people, etc etc etc......HOORAY CHINA!!!!
The most irony thing in the world is that the US accused Iran as radical extremist, but among its US Allied arab monarchy neighbors, Iran is probably the only country that embrace democracy and career women. It is not perfect yes, but compare to American friends in the region, it is like heaven and earth. Yet, Iran is the bad guy here because it didn't want to live under American hegemony.
Just amazed at the casual racism Peter gets away with. "Look at what happened to the tiger/rhino population"... yeah, which people go on game hunting safaris again? How many species have been hunted to extinction for sport?
I can build a unbreakable gas lens ( Mirage effect ) Which will intensify lasers so much its the thing of dreams, This will lead to massive increase in production power, energy production, Solar and galactic space travel etc etc etc This lens with pulsed intense lasers also creates huge magnetic fields for levitation as well, we dont need to put special ingredients in roads etc, This supermagnetic field is so strong it works strongly with our own planets weak magnetic field at our level
As a Chinese I learnt much history from Chinese perspective. And one thing you certainly learn from history is that empires come and go. A few hundred years in the history book is a mire turn of a page. The world may be dominated by western views for the last 200 years. But certainly doesnt mean the same will be in the future. Be open minded and do not underestimate anyone.
TobyPlayz been thinking the same thing lately were shown time like it’s nothing
here is the funny thing yes empires come and go ....as far as what you call western views you mean what ? you mean tv car phone electricity and on and on and on the inventions have changed the world thats not western think just inventions but how they were possible were yes what u call western because freedom and capitalism made that possible ....the fact that you have stolen and copied everything we have made for so long now and are embracing capitalism which is why the large part of you now who are not living in utter poverty anymore .....you know communism and how well that worked out for you and to this day how in many places how people are still treated that you dont want anyone to see ...so no we dont need an open mind ..you say what you want but without capitalism there is no wealth for individuals and no way for you to not live like you were .....but hey no worries we do have open minds which is why America was always best as the great melting pot .... i think you should have an open mind and remember even a small country like japan came in and kicked the shit out of you ...
@@dudedude869 damn.....shots were fired...
Some truth to this but no one wants to live under communism so China has a long way to go. Funny people think about the States so much get ding even think about the world’s biggest super power in the world (Great Britain).
@@diempardon4259 exactly. Facebook , whatsapp dont even exist in china cos of censorship. Fuck that shit i dont worship china
“When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.” Chinese Proverb.
Yeah like the great wall of China. See,that's why the west always wins,superior logic.
Karl Heaton in this proverb the ‘wall’ is considered the ‘stubborn’ negative, the ‘windmill’ being the ‘flexible’ positive.
yeah, well the Chinese didn't invent the windmill sooo....
Frederick Röders people wanted opium criminal smugglers supplied it.
I also like the way you used the British as a scapegoat.
Frederick Röders the opium war is China’s fault, they shouldn’t have shut themselves in
Akala comes out at 29:56
Thanks Was getting bored with that guy.
Carl Carl you're welcome and lol same
Thank u
Whew---thanks! You saved this non-stop-talker from a thumbs down.
Cheers
The great explorer Da Gama was a monster of a human being. It makes me want to weep that he is so casually described as "great." History is so filled with horror and misery.
The vast majority of human history is famine, human sacrifice, disease, war, death in childbirth; only in the 20th century did that begin to really change.
@@fuckamericanidiot well, things were not that bad when we were hunters and gatherers. The real nasty stuff started with civization. I think our whole idea of progress is really about bringing back some of the freedoms and equality we had in our early history, but within the context of the benifits of modern technology and institutions.
@@yellowburger Yeah cannibalism, human sacrifice, death in childbirth, most of your children dying, average life expectancy of 30, zero cures for disease, dying of a rotten tooth, eaten by wild animals, no electricity, no shared language, constant tribal war, killing someone you thought was a friend, frequent famines. The good old days.
@@yellowburger No cars, trains, bikes, planes, internet, space travel, science, sports, leisure, books. Just get rid of it all, fuck it.
@@yellowburger Just good old fashioned romantic living off the land and wild unchecked superstitions.
1:16:00 the woman asked a great question (and point). You cannot continue to benefit from Imperialism/Colonalism (like Peter Frankopan, relative to the British Royal Family) does without noticing, analysing, apologising and taking responsibility for the negative effects of it.
@@dinsel9691 you fuck off you little shit
Get over it.
@@wolfwind1 you're saying that now😂
When does someone stop noticing, analysing, apologising and taking responsibility for the negative effects of it? Can we take coffee breaks? Do I have to go to sleep with the 'We're sorry' podcast series every night? Do I have to apologise every time I buy a capitalism-borne product? No, acknowledge it, live with it and get on with it like the rest of us. And I'm referring to self-flagellating white people. Fuck off you're not interesting.
working as a slave everyday: ua-cam.com/video/eFsayBSTuWE/v-deo.html
Scrolling through the comments briefly looking for more insight on the video I'm watching and the comments section is mainly garbage
@Peter Mustermann he isn't giving you his time you TWAT😂😂😂😂😂😂
Welcome to the Internets.
His school history lessons were far more comprehensive than mine. We had the romans; then Samuel Peyps; then the middle passage of the Atlantic slave trade, but they didn’t call it that, they just called it “slavery”; and that was it. There was plenty of the timetable allocated to history lessons but they would just drum it into you and make you hand copy pages of text to kill time.
I really enjoyed Peter's book The Silks Roads. But after listening to this interview in which he gets many facts wrong and gives a very one eyed view of other points, yet speaks as if he knows it all, it's made me wonder how much of that book can be relied on.
Oh! Could you expound on which points you're referring to that is inaccurate? Would love to learn more. Thanks!
Learnt more than a whole yr of history lesson at school 🙏🙏💚💚
completely ignore the class struggle and the fundamental class antagonism between labor and its enemy: capital...
And private property
And then completely ignore the accomplishments of capitalism. Please tell me what was so great about the pre-capitalist days.
accomplishments? what accomplishments ?
@@dialectixemcee2428 You didn't answer my question. 1. Technological innovation. I'm not going to list them because I assume you don't live in a well. 2. 200 years ago, 90% of the World's population lived in extreme poverty, 10% in relative comfort - now it has inverted largely as a result of capitalism. As a result of technological innovation.
@@fuckamericanidiot some intellectual labor by intellectuals and MASSIVE pjysical labor by an exploited working class did that, capitalism created more poverty than humanity has ever known, more wars, genocides, starvation and misery . Capitalism is a virus to be destroyed.
Churchill was also a tyrant
Yup bengal famine killed more indians than hitler killed jews. Also churchill was very cruel racist. Calling bengal famine he created himself was necessary because "they were breeding too much, so its their own fault".
So True! Was thinking the same thing when he mentioned tyrants
@@mrlassotool Educate yourself on this famine. Churchill realised there was a huge issue in Bengal and tried his best to alleviate these problems, but for multiple reasons it proved difficult to stem this issue. Here is a useful article:winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-cause-the-bengal-famine/
Drill Boa lol a website named churchhill defending churchhill. Other history(real) says otherwise. Read it. Atleast google it.
@@mrlassotool Check the references at the bottom yah tool. The world war effort put a strain on every aspect of transiting food. Churchill will always be considered a significant historical figure for playing an immense role in the defeat of fascism.
felt well sorry for that lad at the end, struggled so hard to get his words out n was obviously really nervous n the guy answers with "yes"... like cheers mate
Akala is truly a genius.
49:42 - Peter Frankopan claims talc is "found almost exclusively in Afghanistan". Quick google search disproves that - what else is this guy lying about?
You're right he blundered about prevalence. But Afghan talc is indeed designated a "conflict mineral" so the rest of his argument holds up.
@@margaretgaskin4928 it doesn't if the basis of it is a white lie.
Everything humans say is theory. You discount everything he said based on that?
Almost exclusively? Operative word; ALMOST.
Google hahaha vs. Prof off ox lol
just forward till Akala starts to speak. Trust me
Liberal white man skipped
That’s why I like the British, at least they can discussions in jest and with the prospect of looking for solutions
How did he hopscotch all around slavery for this amount of time on this enormous subject. It's mind boggling
White people gonna white people
@trixieturtle Maybe you are looking for a different book, this one is about the silk roads
Is there a documentary or discussion on foreign interventions by the US - particularly in Latin America and Africa (Libya)?
Yeah , his name was Alex Jones & has had all his social media platforms removed..... www.infowars.com
@@ikigairyusu8796 Alex Jones is a bat-sh*t crazy lying conspiracy theorist
Peter Frankopan, Professor of Global History at Oxford is just clueless about China and talks about China. Good grace.
Some of his modern 'facts' are slightly not quite right. His view of China too is typical of post colonial power rhetoric. Just for the record, Hong Kong really is part of China and the chance of it ever being anything else is definitely remote. (bound to get some angry replies!)
Scott George Yeo, that whole situation is totally groovy right ? No controversy there at all 👍🏼
@@LouisKing995Exactly. Who needs a impartial justice system or free elections
@@mcr2356hongkong never had free election while the British were in charge. Most high level officials were picked in London and not given to hongkong ppl.
@@benny19646 They had local elections though.
What was that city in Turkmenistan he mentioned? I looked it up but can't find it.
Nisa - the capital of ancient Parthia
I like the honest discourse but I did take offence at the description of empires as successful. The Ottoman empire was absolutely devastating to Bulgaria. Prior to the Ottomans Britain and Bulgaria's populations were about the same. But today, Britain has 60 million people while Bulgaria has 7. Same with Britain being successful. To the enormous detriment of countless countries and peoples of the world. The privilege of success ay...
We the Chinese wanted to be just like the West.............once. That was until we came into contact with them.
I came here for Akala.... even though it was him talking for only 5 mins... 😑
Yeah, me too.
@Star Shine that toffy white guy was uninteresting, sorry whiteboy
@Star Shine someone that looks like Also. Aren't you contradicting yourself there?
@Star Shine I appreciate both of them. How would I fit in your world?
@Star Shineseems right.
When the majority have a better life (Asia and Africa 80% of the world population) that is a great change for the world. I can see this is going to happen in time.
With South Africa, do you not think, coming back to all of the points you’ve made about the way history is taught, there was a little bit of the “good bed time story” with South Africa, in the sense that the wars that helped apartheid collapse were fought outside of South Africa. In Angola and Mozambique. And because the “evil” Cubans were on the good side of that war, and helped Mandela get out of prison, we’ve sort of just deleted that episode from history and the way that we think about apartheid falling. The first country Nelson Mandela visited in the whole world, was Cuba. - Akala.
Or that the West supported and prop up the Apartheid govt while publicly saying otherwise!!! A South African who was in the SA Navy said they routinely had joint exercises with the UK and French navy.
Came here for Akala initially but found Peter Frankopan very intelligent and insightful. Glad I came across this
He's bias
He’s awful. Utterly exposes himself at the end when he flat out refuses to acknowledge the actual harms done by British colonialism and foreign policies, taking the old line of: a local problem, these people do it to themselves with their corruption and parochialism. And he repeatedly makes factually wrong statements. Deeply problematic.
the other guy is a brainwashed idiot if he is being honest
33:13 Five eyes will not be able to control the world like it used to be. Forget about your British empire dream.
He's really critical of the british empire if you ever read his work.
I would be more open minded if the guy in the purple sweater didnt have bias. "The people who voted for brexit the people who voted for Trump," was inappropriate and divisive.
This address was so....so British. Concluding that the Silk Road, or more accurately, the Belt & Road Initiative, is threatening can only be a British conclusion. This gentleman knows that 800 million people have been brought out of poverty, an accomplishment that dwarfs anything the British have done. Yet, he fails to really get it. Good luck Britons.
Britain banned slavery, invented TV, telephone, train, tank, football, cricket, womens rights. you are low iq buddy.
I used to love staring at maps as a kid
Me too!
This guy cuts Akala when asking him the first question after this guy has already spoken for 57min he likes the sound of his own voice.
And he's rocking the BHL half-buttoned shirt look. lol
What a long preamble before the main topic starts at around 12:07.
Nor does he finish 90% of his sentences
Is the speech jumping or is it edited to cut out tiny parts of the speech?
I am left wondering if parts of the speech were cut out accidentally or otherwise.
Excellent thank you for the great talk and insight, lol the comments
Hey Peter, I'm white and I love History, and I'm 15 minutes in and I'm really enjoying your presentation style. Roman's not wanting to live in England!
"I'm white" so what?
The Greek and Roman Empire was based in Europe to so I feel he is disregarding these point/empires as powers based in Europe.
Greek predates "Europa".
North Korea has been closed somewhat... How homogeneous is it vs south Korea, Japan or China?
Great discussion which definitely opened my eyes to where the world is heading. Will definitely be checking out his book. Likewise, Akala has covered stuff in his own book that has given me a total new perspective on how we learn history in school here in the UK.
Awesome talk! Enlightening
I just bought the book !
I feel stupid after watching this...I know very little about the history of the world. 🤔
Yeah this video will do that to you
You are not stupid, educate yourself..knowledge is power 👍
1:19:12 Frankopan accuses Assad of murdering Marsh Arabs and persecuting the Kurds. I'm assuming he made a mistake and meant to say Saddam.
Anyway he still seems to me to have a Western-centric viewpoint on current affairs. Maybe he hasn't read from enough varied sources because they haven't been 'history' for long enough. Only had the time to check through Western MSM, eh?! Ok maybe he is a little more balanced than that, but not much.
@TheTimbalanders Hmmm.... yes. Superb comment!
@TheTimbalanders lol
@TheTimbalanders Am I going to be an expert on Middle Eastern history? Time will tell but I probably wouldn't fully throw myself into that field sufficiently to call myself an expert. However I am very interested and have read much about the recent wars in the middle east. You can check for yourself about Saddam, the Marsh Arabs and the Kurds, and see if Assad was involved in their murders or not. On that score, I'm correct. The other part of my statement was an opinion. You can feel free to agree or disagree and by all means argue why. But all you have done is questioned my qualification to speak on the subject. Prick.
Don’t think he made a mistake frankly. He was pulled up by the questioner specifically on that, and not only did he actively NOT correct his statement but started going on about all the Saddam’s Hussein materials he’s read (incl apparently classified materials). Nobody, particularly a historian, can have read those materials, know what Iraq’s Ba’ath regime did over years to the Marsh Arabs and then accidentally blame that on a completely different regime. Not to mention anyone reading those materials and still claiming the situation in Iraq is totally a ‘local’ problem which has nothing to do with western interests not just historically but right now is flat out lying.
The Chinesse must be commended for their rapid rise to wealth and strength. Only 80 years ago they were in the "trenches." Today they are bailing out most of the developing world. But I remain skeptical and worried as to their end motive!!!
So far so good, shall we look at the UK and the USA behavior in the last 80 years? I didn't think so
Peter Frankopan becomes physically uncomfortable the moment Akala hits the stage. I am guessing it's because he feels he is has internalized some of the imperialistic nostalgia he presorts to deconstruct, even if he is not quite aware of it.
Agreed
great video...very informative...esp with perspective from Akala
Akala is an 'expert' on every subject, it seems.
Well, the media are *promoting* him everywhere.
Greta Thunberg is another promoted face.
Personally, I'd love a public platform myself, but the elites get to choose who gets to talk.
Start a podcast!
The reason you're irrelevant is because you're an irrelevance
This was pretty good I will have to watch more from this channel.
Bigups Akala !
6:46 - Battle of Poltava. Killed Swedish imperial ambitions for good.
Haha, I love how he highlights the flaws of the British curriculum for history by mentioning how the chronology misses out 1000 years of events between the Romans and Normandy.
Then, he himself conveniently glosses over hundreds of years of history by not mentioning European colonialism in the Americas, Africa and Asia--not to mention Oceania! Slavery and colonialism played a massive part in Western Europe's development as a world superpower. How can he not mention that? #DoubleStandard
Literally covers all of that in his book. Extensively.
Considering his personal heritage he should certainly be familiar Britain's colonialist past.
@@jakibonham Everyone that says things he doesn't like or doesn't say what he wants to hear must be a liar - that's a common thing you see on UA-cam comments unfortunately
I was taught about slavery when I was at school. I also learned about the British empire. Do I think it could of been in more depth? Yes. But let's not pretend it doesn't get talked about at all.
@@mcr2356 but the information we get taught is also untrue: we get taught that Britain was the first country to abolish it - this is untrue,
And for moral reasons - also untrue, if you dive deeper into why the British abolished it, it wasn't our of moral responsibility to the slaves, and it still carried on
Also it came down to pretty much one British man, responsible for this, not true
he talked a lot but he didn't say much
Could it be because what he said went way over your head or is it because objectivity is just not one of strengths?
Who? Akala or the interviewer
Who is the white guy? I wanna hear Akala
@Accelerationist your insecurities are showing
Accelerationist is a white supremacist lol
Frankopan is very credible
Accelerationist insecure little man.
@Accelerationist 😂😂 whats wrong with these people?
I treating. Didn’t agree with the Saudi Arabia comment considering we still sell weapons. That last bit was rather rude though.
Do some Americans really believe Jesus spoke English?!
Yes
@@thebridge5483 Jesus!
@@thebridge5483 Heaven help us!
@@thebridge5483 For God`s sake!
The white supremacist Christians do
It's not like Akala to bang on about Colonialism...!
Did he ask for a young person just to be dismissive of them?
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Toil et Trouble, they fail to Realise Heaven Has NO
Manholes
akala all the way. missed his act in delhi because of my stupid friends
Apr. 12, 2020, the editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News, Dr. John Micklethwait and the political editor of the Economist, Dr. Adrian Wooldridge jointly published article The Virus Should Wake Up the West to despaired sigh:
“The job of government is to protect its citizens. The pandemic reveals that key institutions in Europe and the U.S. are no longer up to the job.”
“Since Hobbes’s time, the world has come full circle. When he wrote “Leviathan,” China rather than Europe was the center of administrative excellence. China was the world’s most powerful country with the world’s biggest city (Beijing had more than a million inhabitants), the world’s mightiest navy and the world’s most sophisticated civil service, peopled by scholar-mandarins who were selected from across a vast empire by rigorous examinations.”
“Indeed, it was the struggle for mastery in Europe that propelled Western government forward: Europe’s monarchies seized on technological innovations - particularly new ships and weapons - to improve their chances of survival. When the Chinese invented gunpowder they used it for fireworks; Europeans used it to blow one another (and then the Chinese) out of the water.”
“The West’s governmental advantage is now questionable: Simply ask yourself whether you would feel safer today in New York and London or in Singapore and Seoul? Asia is catching up with the West, and in some smaller countries has overtaken it, in large part because Confucian Asia in particular has taken government seriously over the past few decades while the West has allowed it to ossify.”
Who else was blown away with those facts about talcum powder?! 😱😁
I don't know much but I know that when it comes to business they don't discriminate. Not like Americans that want to hold power by appearances
Who is this aimed at? it's unbearably patronizing and seems to be at Secondary School level. I've reached about 12 minutes in and can't bear any more. Does it get any better?
Beautiful
Its important for them to erase the history of the world, especially in countries they oppressed, so that they dont revenge.But nothing goes unchecked under the sun,no matter how long it takes.
1:00:20 1:04:01 omg, this Peter guy is insane
The white dude managed to do his whole intro/lecture without saying the words 'white people' #whitefragility
Maybe he doesn't see 'white people' as one homogeneous group. Ie. not a racist.
Attacking people based on nothing but their skin colour isn't going to move the world forward. Be part of the solution. You come across as fragile with this comment.
@thehoneyeffect Whypipo are living rent free in your head
I can't believe how ignorant it is about the collapse of soviet union ( 42:14 ). Many countries did see the tanks coming and people did die in many countries. Just one example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania)
Or just google january events; BBC has had prepared some footage and timeline about these horrible events in Baltics.
The title is so misleading.. I CAME TO LISTEN TO AKALA not another British colonialism apologist 🙄😑
I love Akala
I just dont understand how we in the western world can be upset at the growth of the eastern world aka China India Korea etc. completely ignoring the fact that their growth is directly due to our greed. To make great profits off our industries, tech, automotive, agriculture.. we deliberately choose those places to use as cheap labor haven to produce and manufacture our goods and services. We gave them our tech build, we gave them our workforce to manufacture, we gave them our industries just so that the very few of us aka 1% could become so insanely rich, all the while eliminating our own domestic growth. Now we sit angry and jealous that they're using the very technology we gave them to make ourselves rich while treating them like low class slaves for hire. And at the end of the day domestically as people fall on hard times, instead of blaming ourselves, GOV, CEO's, Wall st. and even YOU the stock holders, we blame everyone else , racist hate wondering who exactly took our place in society, instead of facing the truth, that it was us all along who sold ourselves out so that the we could get ever closed to that 1% margin. As we fall to poverty levels our vanity and arrogance has us to believe that the poor is somehow getting richer. As a result we grow ever racist. Fact is... we are a loathing piece of work. foolish, blind and arrogant vain and ignorant. we did it to ourselves and we're too prideful to admit it. Dont believe it.. where were these countries in the 1970's? where were we in the 70's, now the 80's now the 90's think about our growth, and consider the closing of our factories.. whole cities going broke.. we were shifting manufacturing to overseas, tax havens and cheap labor. and in less that 2 decades what kinda growth did those countries experience? wonder why? remember years ago.. all the talk about globalization, it ment laws being passed to open more trade to foreign countries, so that the very few could get enormously rich. and they did. but at the cost of local domestic stability. we sold ourselves out. then what we do.. blame the one guy who did all he could to keep the country from collapsing. Obama. after all the mountain loads of issues passed down from the Deregulation kings, the Bush's and Clinton. which who btw got their pockets fat thru seizing oil. we did it to ourselves. we let the genie out the bottle.. then we threw the bottle in the ocean, and it landed on others shores. And lest also not forget why the all happened , because of greed. Because we are a society reared on the idea that rich is better rich is good, and rich shoud be worshiped. in the 1950's the difference in salary between the ceo/owner and his employees was about 30%, today we have ceo's making tens of millions over their 30 to 40 grand a year employees. there is no logical justification for such divide. but since we worship rich, we choose not to see a problem with. and the rich view themselves as deserving. again, we did it to ourselves. greed. plain and simple.
Very well said.
Interesting but Frankopan's narrative is mainly about wealth and the wealthy.
1:16:17
This lady is insane, it's like infinite credit claim. As if you are responsible for how things are forever, just because in one point in history you were involved.
With this distorted logic, Romans today can take credit for everything the English did. Or Persians and Semitic empires can take credit for ancient Greece (which Rome learned off).
Or the Chinese can take credit for the original waves that lead to the Mongol empire, but then the Mongols took over china also later so now they can take credit for everything that happened.
Or some American claiming that everything some Japanese and German people invent should be credited to America and America's achievement, since after WW2 they were occupied for a while.
This is all so stupid, just because some people had influence once. Doesn't magically mean the entire future of the country is the creation of those people, that woman is a fool.
Yes, credit claim is about claim to supremacy
This aged well, I wonder what peter thinks now, exactly the same lol
I wonder if my guy is gonna let akala speak........LET HIM SPEAK MAN
I thought akala was the guest yet he's asking questions like the interviewer...
Liked before even watching video
'touch upon the legacy of colonialism and empire', Kingslee Daley a.k.a Akala cannot speak more than a few minutes without mentioning colonialism and empire.
He forgot to mention britains ruthless and brutal conquest of much of the afrikan continent and the millions of afrikans who lost their lives fighting to defend their homelands not to mention the millions of afrikans transported to the socalled new world
This is one of the softest talks I’ve seen from akala . And dude was spewing white supremacy lines
What did he say that was white supremacist?
Harry Bowler nothing.
Accusing akala of white supremacy 😂 Think you might have a problem.
marcus reynolds I think he was talking about the guy Akala was interviewing.... Still a bit ridiculous, though 😂
@@perrymason866 Oh I see. 😂 Clearly not read the guys books. He really goes against the eurocentric/white view point of history.
Thanks,
Wonderful,it has been an eye opener. I have send this talk to family & friends.
Meandering and not China specific; how can I take a lecturer seriously when he's drinking wine during his talk?
Try reading the book then...
They were not great sailors, they were pirates and scavengers, pillaging the lands like gypsies do and sowing tte seeds on contempt to which their offspring will answer, what a stark future!
Interesting. I feel like Frankopan has an anxiety, compulsive, or maybe an ADHD condition. The constant rushing river of speech with a ton of ideas rarely really explored reflectively, numerous examples pouring out without real connection, jumping around, derailments, contradictions. He is a solid academic, regardless of the listener's (or commenters below) agendas or opinions, he's hard to listen to, but I'm sympathetic to him as a person. Akala is an exceptional thinker and historian. He is in the rare position of interviewer in this case, but with a very difficult person to interview, because F is all over the place. As to China, he is much too optimistic and positive about China's intention, confer their actions in the China Sea. It's amusing. The Confucious Institutes are Chinese spy haven's on US and UK campuses. It's pitiable how the US and UK is naive. Globalism, which F is pushing, as well as forced multiculturalism against communities and populations wishes and needs, has failed.
The country that imprisons Muslim citizens (not illegal immigrants) in 'correctional facilities' for being Muslims, imposed a one-child policy, the wonderful 'Great Leap Forward', extreme information suppression (that has no counterpart in the Western world), violent suppression of differing views, extreme restrictions on the Internet, a military arm dedicated entirely to hacking and bringing down Western Civilisation, forced sterilisation of millions and millions of women, organ harvesting, forced 'conversion therapy' for LGBT+ people, etc etc etc......HOORAY CHINA!!!!
Not sure what Akela means by the British government subsidised the Irish???
Dull ol Frankopan is a good reason never to attend oxford
This was brilliant.
Stop giving Akala a platform
Great discussion.
The communist part of youtube again.
lol
Thank you!!
The most irony thing in the world is that the US accused Iran as radical extremist, but among its US Allied arab monarchy neighbors, Iran is probably the only country that embrace democracy and career women. It is not perfect yes, but compare to American friends in the region, it is like heaven and earth. Yet, Iran is the bad guy here because it didn't want to live under American hegemony.
Just amazed at the casual racism Peter gets away with. "Look at what happened to the tiger/rhino population"... yeah, which people go on game hunting safaris again? How many species have been hunted to extinction for sport?
This was very odd. What happened Akala?
I am simple man if I see an Akala video I click.
Change a lot...and..
Very peacefully
I can build a unbreakable gas lens ( Mirage effect )
Which will intensify lasers so much its the thing of dreams, This will lead to massive increase in production power, energy production, Solar and galactic space travel etc etc etc
This lens with pulsed intense lasers also creates huge magnetic fields for levitation as well, we dont need to put special ingredients in roads etc, This supermagnetic field is so strong it works strongly with our own planets weak magnetic field at our level
Fascinatingly scary.
Very interesting, but where are the standards, a sloppy cardigan?
That's the new trend, not caught on just yet..... give it time
History is fiction and the reality is a lot more exciting and a lot deeper than the bland tripe we have been fed.
"Beyonce was there... Oprah was there..."
Maintaining races is a double edged sword, you claim beginners knowledge of one edge and don’t admit the other exists? When it’s refined arts!