THE MEDIA GETS WEIRD ABOUT KEN DORSEY
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The media stay weird
I noticed it the second i watched that clip 🤣 on their channel, I even said why he trying to make it seem like AVP landed in the better situation.
There has always been a “Bias” toward any level of sports teams from Ohio.
Ohio vs World 🌎
Sometimes your setup is better than the main topic! This particular topic crosses multiple genres including into reporting and commenting on politics and world affairs. Thank you for another lesson in media, Q. Always up for it. Better to hold your head up than to bury it in the sand.
I felt the same way when I heard that. The problem is tape showed that more often than not, playcalling wasn't the issue but the lack of execution. And Josh Allen dropped in every area across the board. Matter of fact, Josh Allen's efficiency dropped at ton going from Dorsey to Brady. Dorsey was a scapegoat for Allen's execution and McDermott's defensive playcalling.
Honestly Q, these monologues on the media landscape are some of my favourites. As a browns fan who isn't from the US and has never been to Cleveland it's fascinating to me to better understand why the media cover the browns the way they do. I would be delighted if you did more videos on the media landscape, I learnt so much, thanks!
Great to have you as a fan. I'm sure you'd be welcome in Cleveland and there are actually a lot of great places to visit in Ohio (I might be biased as a native but I've lived in a number of places in the US and worked in great places overseas so feel I'm somewhat open minded).
"Q" I thought the same thing when I heard that for the first time. Basically Florio is saying that our new OC will not succeed here in Cleveland. And to answer your question.... It's not fair. I totally understand what you are saying "Q" and I agree with you.
One more thing to add "Q", the national media does not like DW4. That is apparent. I hope he balls out this year just to shut them up!!!!
A friggin mennn 😎✍️💯💥
Haters gon' hate
As a Browns from New England (New Haven County in Connecticut to be precise) who happens to work in media (both in podcasting and radio), you're absolutely right. People underestimate the wording that is used because its factual, however it is a subtle dig at Cleveland. I feel part of is because of the stigma that surrounds the Browns and the whole "they have a good roster but will find a way to screw it up" mindset and how they're seemingly trying to keep it alive, when we can that it's no longer the case (or it at least appears to be heading in that direction). Florio has become more and more questionable as time's gone on, but it's really starting to leak out in his appearances
For the Algorithm.
Thanks for the content Q.
GO BROWNS
i noticed florios browns hate when the watson trade was made. he was spitting nails that watson was even still in the league: hated watson, hated the browns for hiring watson, and hated the league for not executing watson.
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after that, i just skip anything he is invovoled in.
I wonder if he felt the same towards Rapistburger
He does it all the time, to frame bad faith talking points he's about to make. And Simm's usually just goes along with it. There's a lot of tin foilery in his takes. Didnt he used to ba a lawyer?
Still is an attorney.
Tom foolery you mean
@robertmccarthy4528 I like his take on Tin Foil Hats better because there always seems to be the Conspiracy Theory that were Still the Mistake on the Lake.
i love this. i will happily watch your videos of pulling back the curtain to break down the science of sports media.
Quincy breaks down Mike Florio like Charlie breaks down the great mail conspiracy on Always Sunny
I called this being the clip he was referencing in like 2 minutes 😂
I’ve also notice our local reporters have been pretty unfair in the coverage of the team (Mary K). Any time I see her post a video on Twitter it’s the one pass Watson doesn’t complete. Then a few hours later I’ll see 5 other videos from other people showing him throw a laser 40+ yards down field, but Mary K never posts those videos, so I just blocked her since she has an obvious agenda
Mike Florio is an example of how you can fail up. I never cared for his opinions. He hates Cleveland
Much Love, Q! Keep sharing that college knowledge insight with us. Your professionalism shines. We appreciate you.
It’s very condescending, and he knows it - but it’s subtle to the uninitiated (but were initiated aren’t we Bruce?). Like you said it’s true, but it’s akin to you being interviewed for a job and they ask you; “why did you wet the bed when you were 5 years old?”.
Q. This is why I watch and listen to you. Your take on this team and all sports is bar none the best. Just want to thank you for your work on the Browns and Cavs. I know you’re feeling about the Guardians but give it a try. Thanks Q
First and foremost I wish everyone would stop using term fired. In corporate world if you get fired you did something very bad! Like you punched a coworker, you embezzled money, you came to work high. Most the times when I " GOT FIRED" I got a letter stating my position was eliminated, department was restructured and etc. Often I got laid off because business was slowing. In both cases a change needed to be made because organization decided to go in different direction, and that the fact.
You know he is lawyer
ahh makes even more sense
Stay real, bro... the Q cam is otw🕶️💥
Florio hates the Browns
I enjoy your media literacy breakdowns. Florio is contacting hating on the browns.
12:05.. and...although AVP was "let go" (not FIRED) by the Browns "he landed on his feet".. as if "here we go..Browns making more BAD DECISIONS ".. I know Q..I saw this and thought the same thing.. but Florio ALWAYS does this with Cleveland
Also notice that he pointed out wins only, not any specific offensive stats that improved under a new offensive coordinator.
Personal biases are something every reporter, as well as every individual, have. I think most of us understand this. The issue is.... reporters/analysts "not" ignoring personal opinions/feelings which can lead them to misinterpret and misrepresent information and facts.
An example of this is the way many in the national media have covered the Browns ever since the acquisition of Watson. On numerous occasions over the last 2 seasons, they have portrayed the organization as some sort of joke/dumpster fire, downplayed successes, and have already declared the Watson trade a failure of historical proportion.
However, pesky little facts show.... (drumroll please!) ... the front office and coaching staff produced a winning record in the aforementioned time span (in spite of constant influx at QB), a team which made the playoffs in '23, and a roster that placed 7 players in this year's Pro Bowl. Yes, Watson has started just 11 games so far. However, despite uneven play, he posted a record of 7-4 in those contests and played very well in his last 2 starts before his season ending injury. No one knows for sure how Watson will perform coming off from his shoulder surgery. But it's silly to call the trade an "historical failure" after only two seasons in which he played a mere 11 games. In my humble opinion (and I'm far from alone), the main reason the national media has been overwhelmingly negative against what the Browns + Watson have been doing in the front office and on the field is due to Watson's actions OFF FROM IT. That is fine when they're covering the man's personal transgressions. But it should play no role in their coverage of what Watson and the team have done from a football standpoint.
This is the problem with media. Most "reporters" have an agenda/bias and you can't take anything they say seriously because they will frame it to fit their viewpoint (or their networks viewpoint). The perfect example of this is Herbstreit (OSU bias) vs Desmond Howard (Michigan bias). Herbstreit gives objective analysis, while Howard doesn't. It makes everything Howard says less credible. I think people are starting to realize this and are getting their information from smaller, niche creators and moving away from listening to the national media.
Ty , I really Enjoyed this segment a lot. I loved seeing an Indy pro’s take on a Machine pro’s take. :)
1:39 unc moment
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Dorsey a top HC candidate 2 seasons ago?
Neutrality doesn't exist. Every single human being has an agenda. Great explanation Q!
yea they hate it if the Browns are good .. And they hate it even more if we win the bowl. but when that happens the first thing that they will say is it won't happen again they got lucky 🤦🏿 with zero football facts 🤔 they jus never will like or respect the Browns unless we win 5 bowls in a row like we use too lol 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💯
Floria isn’t from the east coast… he’s from Pittsburgh… that’s the deal, Q
you are right to the 10th power...💪thank you for educating this chat...the pitt accent should've been obvious but i guess no1 ever catches on.
Nice work Q spot on! In my view..
Poor Dorsey, he had to “crash land” onto a better team
Mike Florio is a lawyer he talked a lot on Watson's cases.
where gid,
I've been seeing this lately and I think this has a lot to do with sports betting. Just as referees can try to fix games illegally, I think that media can legally try to fix bets by altering a better's perception of a team or a game before it happens. They can paint one team as bad and another as good even if it is not the case.
I think there are a lot of local journalist that feel like they are the voice of the fans. However, they use the same tactic that Florio uses. then someone that is an actual Cleveland Browns fan takes offense to it, they wonder why it doesn’t go well. A lot of the ESPN Cleveland guys are like that. I think MARY KAY tries not to do this and succeeds. I think she does the best job of keeping these lines clear, locally. I think it’s why they give her access.
"SPIN." Isn't that the word for this commentary/reporting?
It'll be interesting to hear Q's take cast on our comments. A lot of people made great takes on this video in my opinion.
I have two main points to make. The first is about Mike Florio. I dislike him. I dislike his style. The first thing I noticed when I saw his report the other day was the aspect that you referenced regarding "crash landing." I could quibble over whether or not it was subtle. I don't think it was all that subtle. What I think it was invective by design that has been going on for some time about Cleveland. Lots of cities experience this in a variety of ways. New York versus Boston expresses old grudges and insults. New York Versus Chicago, and Los Angeles does the same in different ways. San Francisco versus L.A. has this. Etc, etc, etc. Johnny Carson used to refer to Cleveland as "the mistake on the lake." These jokes are used as currency among others to form one group, and show their separation from another. Us versus them. Florio, as you mentioned, is an East coaster. He is essentially doing that by making "Cleveland" a punching bag. What gets particularly problematic is when an institution from Cleveland attempts to grow/improve, some outsiders like Florio use whatever Cleveland does as wrong...by definition. It is an affirmation of his own superiority...and his audience. And pandering to everyone outside of Cleveland is a very large group. As large as Cleveland's devotees is, the non-Cleveland group will always be larger. This is a cheap way of Florio trying to run with the crowd...if you will. Florio's main strength is in pandering. That's why I dislike him.
The second point is smaller, but it relates. It is possible to be unbiased. Sticking with empirical evidence is unbiased...as long as you are not making the measurements. A reported box score is unbiased. There can be no subjective intent on reporting the numbers...even if some of the numbers are arrived at subjectively. In other words, an umpire may be biased, but once it is an official statistic, reporting the stat is not biased. Once we enter into analysis, or description, we engage perspective. All have value. I only make the point because we can't abandon attempts at, and reporting of, pure facts with the notion that pure observation is not possible. While that may be true, the reporting of the observation is separate from the observation, and still possible.
This is 100% a product of having a national audience that isn't composed of hardcore fans. The vast majority tune out after the super bowl, tune in for the draft, then tune back out until week 1 or the preseason. That's why Dorsey getting fired was brought up. It happened last season, and the new season hasn't started, so for national and casual fans, it's likely they don't even know Dorsey is here. It's no less relevant than mentioning Kevin won CotY last year.
As to the bias against Dorsey, we have to realize the way he's seen nationally is different than in Cleveland. If he had been fired at the end of the year and signed here, I think he gets talked about just like AVP. But he was fired mid-season, and his old team immediately started to succeed. That makes him a loser to most fans, true or not. He needs to do some winning before that perception will change.
Here's the lie: The Bills' offense didn't get better after Dorsey left. The ONE thing that changed was that Josh Allen was turning the ball over less. In every other statistical category Dorsey was better than his successor. With Dorsey (WD) vs. after Dorsey (AD):
Points per drive:
WD - 2.45
AD - 2.27
Yards per play:
WD - 6
AD - 5.4
Success rate:
WD - 48.1%
AD - 43.7%
Pass success rate:
WD - 52.3%
AD - 45.6%
Run success rate:
WD - 46.1%
AD - 44.5%
Stephon Diggs yards per game:
WD - 86.8
AD - 43.1
Stephon Diggs catches per game:
WD - 7.3
AD - 4.9
Stephon Diggs TDs:
WD - 7 in 10 games
AD - 1 in 7 games
This is where the Bills offense was ranked last season after Week 10 when he was fired:
3rd in DVOA
1st in success rate
3rd in EPA per play
4th in QB rating
3rd in yards per play
2nd in 3rd down conversion %
3rd in red zone efficiency
If the Browns had anything close to those numbers last season they would've won 13 games.
Backing this up with facts?
@@cottonwoodslim3497 Facts are stubborn things.
- John Adams
Except that’s the whole point. Yes they had some of the worst turnover luck in the NFL but the offense Dorsey ran was too predictable which led to turnovers. Same as Stefanski. Uncreative with the ground game while using near the least motion in the league. The reason it works is because you rely on the players to make it work and hit home runs instead of scheming guys open and taking what a defense gives you.
The offense was about the same at the end of the season, but the strength of schedule and results against top defense were hardly the same. The first half of the season Dorsey’s offense faced 3 top 10 defenses and a bunch of bottom 10 teams. The last 7 weeks of offense 5 games were against top 10 defenses. Straight offensive ratings don’t show us a whole lot and Digg’s success isn’t total offensive success. Also situational football was better. Extending drives and eating clock instead of putting up numbers keeps the other team off the field with the ability to score. In the second half of the season they had all but one game with greater than 50% of the game time of possession. Through the first 10 4 games were below 50%. 2 of the first 10 games they had a time of possession greater than 35 minutes or around 60% TOP. Of the last 7 5 games they had the ball over 35 minutes. I’d be interested to see how that translates to lead changes as well as I don’t have that data. All that said, he can be successful but expect more risk and reward from Dorsey with a similar overall scheme to Stefanski. The biggest and best improvement is that he has shown a commitment to using the middle of the field which we have lacked in recent years.
@@boeingair1 I'm not sure "luck" had much to do with it. I don't pretend to know what is going on in the mind of a QB, but sometimes they go through spells where they lose their sense of danger and commit a lot of TOs. I think that was the case with Allen last season. Whether it was a coaching change and subsequent difference in play-calling that caused it is hard to assess. What I do know is that in 2022 the Bills were #4 in scoring offense, #4 in total yards, #4 in Yds per play, #3 in passing TDs, and #4 in net passing Yds per attempt. That's pretty consistent with the first 10 games of 2023. The only difference was turnovers. Now that DCs have had 7 games to assess Joe Brady's play-calling, it will be interesting to see if the Bills go forward or backward this season.
@@bigredracingdog466 Absolutely, will be interesting to see. I am just saying other metrics show a different side of the story and may be better indicators of overall success of an offense rather than explosive play ability and talent of the highest level playmakers. Analytics tell us so much and so little at the same time. Factoring their success against level of opponent and their success in situational football are more important than total quantitive stats in my opinion but again that is just an opinion. Thanks for bringing facts to the table and having an open discourse on what they hopefully mean for our team's success.
I think you leave that sentence at the media gets weird tbh
Florio was very disrespectful of Kevin Dorsey and the city of Cleveland. Especially using the term crash land. If the Browns go deep into the playoffs and/or the offense is top notch will that change his attitude? I doubt it.
Who gives a Crap what Florio has to say Van Pelt went 11-6
Go penguins
He s a steelers fan
Why do we care?
Florio has been a bozo for a while now. I just mute it when he’s talking and listen to the other cat.
I think Chris Sims is relatively more fair
For algorithm
Dude, that is not what bias means.