The Evidence For One True Christianity Is Worse Than You Think
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- The Evidence For One True Christianity Is Worse Than You Think! The Orthodox Church likes to act like Christianity was one true movement that was corrupted by men and that you will only find the truth with their walls. The scholarship points towards a very diverse starting point for Christianity with many splinter sects out the gate. Dr's Dennis MacDonald and Richard Carrier take a deep dive into the subject in this video.
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I do like myth vision its without doubt one of the best channels available on UA-cam. I'm astonished by the number of scholars that flood this show and the host is a wonderful young man with passion and patience for the subject.
As an atheist I cant get enough.
Thankyou Derek Lambert for being such a great personality and for working so hard on your channel. Your a real inspiration.
I agree with you Ray Laye totally! Very positive and encouraging comment!😊🤗🥰 Love it! And yes, Derek is a true mith-spiration! 😁
I love to hear from these two gentlemen. What a treat to live in this era and to get educated on these subjects at this level by scholars for free on our laptops. Obviously it's not like getting a degree, but it's far more than the average person in most generations of humans could ever find out about the history of their culture's religions. Even some popes probably didn't know some of this stuff that we can now know just by turning on an interview in the background while cooking dinner.
I agree with you and enjoy listening. However, we have to also keep in mind time is pushing us further from the original languages and cultures that created these works. It’s interesting listening to scholars speculate in 2021, but if somebody moves to a new culture today he/she quickly realizes much is missed by an outsider (much less adding 2000 yrs to the equation).
Wow!!!!!
This is going to the core of the matter!
Derek’s Mythvision is fulfilling a niche in a way I’ve never seen! Mythvision is headed for a special place in the history of humanity reaching for the truth!
Thank you!
These guys are too good to not go 10 hours on just this one subject alone. Very pleased at such a rational and brilliant, open conversation
To Christianity today, Paul's word > Jesus' word.
This topic was my first step out. I set out to prove once and for all that what I believed could be traced back to the mouth of Jesus. It was my belief that there was an unbroken line that led right to my pulpit.
It didn't take long before my nerves began to shatter on what I found. The multiple sects that I found held beliefs that my current church would consider heresy. Some of that diversity helped explain the contradictions I knew existed in the New Testament. But there was more. I looked into the "OT prophesies" of Jesus. I always questioned how they related to what I was taught and preached, but as long as those verses remained isolated they worked. I faced the facts that none of those verses talked about Jesus.
I was losing sleep and breaking down as my core beliefs crumbled before me. I couldn't unsee what I found behind the curtain. And that just opened cracks in other aspects of my beliefs. I walked away for the sake of my health and sanity. I went from preaching to just visiting random churches hoping to get that old feeling back. I walked away for a few years before attempting to find a thread to believe.
In the end I faced the truth. I no longer believed. I tried to give myself any reason but reason would prevail. Around 2010 I finally searched the A-word. I found Seth Andrews page and podcast. Not long after I comfortably referred to myself as an atheist.
It has always fascinated me that no matter how hard you try you can't link one person directly back to Jesus. Papias at first seems tantalising but his sources peter out , Aristion & John the Presbyter, who are they? Who did they learn from? Paul even closer, writing ✍ in the 50's turns out he never met Jesus or says there was a Jesus to meet. Then there's Cephas, did he write 1 Peter, maybe but even if he did theres there's no eye witness information in it. There is an unbridgeable gap between us & Jesus best explained by myhicism.
@@ghostriders_1 I agree. I can't for the life of me figure out why Jesus himself didn't write out exactly what he/his father wanted. Or at the very least had 12 literate disciples record a consistent set of documents. Instead we are offered 3 contradictory accounts that obviously copied 1 we know of and another that is speculation.
@@BushcraftingBogan Putting aside the divine, magic Jesus I am just testing the failed apocalyptic prophet who said and did very little of interest theory. Never seen any strong evidence for his existence despite the embarrassed reactionary ramblings of Bart Ehrman. Never heard any convincing arguments either.
@@ghostriders_1 Even as an atheist if someone told me that.Jesus did not exist, I would have shook my head. Now after hearing Carrier, Price, Humphreys I'm leaning hard in that direction. If you strip away all the supernatural scenes and the historical inaccuracies and historical improbabilities from Mark alone, what are you left with? I did that with Mark and I think I had about 45% of the book left. And what was left was not impressive enough to change a small town in the US let alone the western hemisphere.
Had the left over Jesus of Mark actually existed, I seriously doubt anyone would have noticed. Especially due to the abundance of "Jesus Messiahs" in the region. Given that, Mark's Left over Jesus is never mentioned by contemporary sources. So, I'm leaning hard in the mythicist camp. So if left over Jesus left zero impact on history I have no reason to give weight to the claim he did.
@@BushcraftingBogan I think you can go even further with g.Mark! None of the hyper specific historical details are independently attested in any EARLIER christian work. NT books that possibly precede g.Mark number 12 and they all have one thing in common ( apart from the atonement sacrafice) they do not know of any hard core Markan historical details, not one. They may include the 7 authentic Pauline's, 1 Clement, Hebrews, 1 Peter, James & Jude.
One big mistery! Who was really Paul?! Is he the same as Silas? Is he the same as Saul?! Who’s Peter?! Is he the same as Cephas? There are so many questions which probably we’ll never be able to answer. Still, I enjoy these studies! Keep up the great content. 👍
2000 year cold case with so many unanswered questions and very few hard facts.
I think he's the same as George.
Josephus is also the Paul Character not hard to see actually I'm shocked how much they interchange these Characters in the story for real person the stories belong to
The Book of Acts tries to paint a picture of earliest Christianity as a love fest cumbya event. It wasn't. There were many Christianities then, just like now.
Actually Acts doesn't.
Acts is full of too many conflicts
There are 2.3 billion different christianities.
Perfect timing Derek! I just picked up Bart Ehrman’s Lost Christianities and started reading it today
Interesting. Weren't there DIFFERENT sects of Judaism? Essenes, John the Baptist followers,Pharisees,Sadducees,Helenistic Judaeus Philo, Ebionites.
Don't forget the different Messanic Judaism movements too..Like The Hebrew israelites Natsarim Nazarenes Sect Jews for Jesus The Way etc...I mean so many Religious denominations :(
Something on the camera is putting a dot on Dennis’s forehead. 😁
That's his shining third eye 😁
The Bible SAYS there were multiple sects right from the get-go. But Paul says the other sects are liars with only well-crafted stories! and he won, so there! (logical fallacy, you say?).
Exactly! Believe me not them was his catch-cry.
"God is not the author of confusion"
🕵️🤔 Nevermind 😏
Will you take mark to buy or sell? Does that sound similar to something going on today? Bible predicts the technology of a mark in hand or forehead...will you believe in Jesus Christ?
@@Psalms-fr8yy It's metaphorical in my view. Right hand means you serve them physically, forehead means you serve them mentally. Body and mind. Furthermore, Revelation was for Rome at the time as all New Testament writers believed they were living in the last days. The Bible is loaded with lies, contradictions, misapplied OT "prophecies" and false prophecies in the NT including statements supposedly made by the Jesus character.
Matthew copied Mark over 600 times and revised his gospel throughout to fit his own theological viewpoint. Ask me and I'll name some.
The Jesus in the Gospel of John is so different that he's barely recognizable to the one in the synoptic gospels.
Also, they couldn't even get the resurrection accounts straight when it's supposed to be the most important event in human history.
@@chainedmindsasylum what evidence is so compelling that you find it metaphorical?
@@Psalms-fr8yy The New Testament says Jesus didn't speak without using a parable right? (Mark 4:34 KJV) "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples"
Also, regarding the OT story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar Galatians 4:24 says “Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.”
These things are from the Bible itself so what I said about the mark of the beast makes more sense than this literal nonsense Christians push today.
I'll tell you a secret (no pun intended), the Bible is a Cabal document created by the mystery school King/Priest class to control us. All throughout the Old Testament is a plan for World Domination 🌎 by Yahweh's "chosen ones". The New Testament cannot erase all that was already written in the OT.
This Cabal of globalists are making "prophecies" happen on purpose. They created Israel in 1948 and they have a plan for the 3rd Temple. We are being duped big Time. It's THEIR BOOK 📖
@@chainedmindsasylum contextually, the metaphorical perspective cannot hold up. As of right now, many places you cannot do "xyz" without the vaccine. Presently, we know this is literal. The same logical argument applies to the mark...without a mark you cannot buy or sell. To see it otherwise is simply deception. Blind with eyes to see.
A good conversation, I enjoyed it.
Excellent presentation, and you have the experts correcting each other so I dont need to
If there was one stem from which many branches grew, then there were many roots that formed the stem.
Like everything else in history.
Nice analogy, will steal.
Your analogy proves that God didn't make religion. Evolution of truth is not truth. Truth is the what is. Not the what will be. Many roots and branches just proves this. If God made it there would be no need for different parts.
@@buzzwordy9951 Praise Shiva.
@@buzzwordy9951 Unless god is just completely incompetent.
@@bozo5632 No Shiva no god no authority of any kind. I rebuke all orginized systems. I accept only what I can find out.
If Paul himself had divergent ideas… perhaps we should consider that a human Jesus also had a stew of not always consistent ideas…. As is true of all humans
Of course. In one sentence he said _"take and learn of me, my yoke is easy and my burden is light."_ He also said _"narrow is the way and difficult is the path and few there be that find it."_
@@lloydtucker5647 He who is not against me is for me, he who is not with me is against me.
The romans I think would have wanted to create a 'way more fun' version of judaism.
Love MacDonald's view that the multiplicity of stories accounts and ideas and sects are a positive not a negative. Good to remember during our studies. In the end, it's a story about the way people think and plan and move forward. It's good to know our roots and our selves, and how we have thought and behaved. It helps us better ourselves.
dang sir! really getting to the heart of it. loved the intro with the tantalizing clips of your two guests. watching the full vid now with joy!
Love MacDonald's view that the multiplicity of stories accounts and ideas and sects are a positive not a negative. Good to remember during our studies. In the end, it's a story about the way people think and plan and move forward. It's good to know our roots and our selves, and how we have thought and behaved. It helps us better ourselves.
A very interesting conversation. I find Dr MacDonald's approach fascinating.
These two seem to genuinely enjoy each other's company and bouncing ideas off each other. They mesh well intellectually. Really enjoying these discussions!
When Jesus first started his ministry he joined the "repent and be baptized" movement alongside John the Baptist. After John was executed, Jesus started his own "Kingdom of God" movement. To be forgiven for sins, Jesus no longer advocated that people be baptized but rather they forgive people who sin against them. If they don't forgive, then God would not forgive them for their sins .Jesus states this in his Sermon on the Mount. Jesus DOES NOT state in his Sermon on the Mount that he is going to be God's sacrificial lamb and that people must believe in him to obtain forgiveness of sin. If one examines every passage where Jesus speaks about the Kingdom of God, he does not state that he will be God's sacrificial lamb there either. Later, particularly after Jesus was crucified, Jesus then became God's sacrificial lamb, and forgiveness of sins could only be obtained by believing in Jesus. So even during Jesus' ministry concepts changed. And then Paul came along and caused more controversy by claiming he knew more about Jesus than did Jesus' disciples. Paul even wrote in one of his epistles that he had followers, Peter had followers, and Apollos had followers. If Christians read the Bible with both eyes open and thought for themselves instead of listening to other people, they might realize that different sects existed from the onset, and that there is no such thing as gospel truth.
Actually the Old Testament told us that the Messiah would be crucified.
Also, if you read the Gospels you will see that Jesus repeatedly told His disciples that He would suffer, be crucified,and rise again.
@@colonalklink14 I agree with you. However, after studying the gospels in detail for over 20 years, I had to conclude that there's a good possibility Jesus allowed himself to be crucified and was later revived by either Joseph of Arimathea and/or Essenes who were young men dressed in shiny robes. In some passages those young men are not called angels. Otherwise, it was planned. Understand that I used to be a fundamentalist Christian, but I changed my mind based on my studies. I still accept Jesus as a compassionate man and wise philosopher, but not a divine figure.
@@harrydecker8731 Thanks for at least being honest.
I have over four pages of scripture proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is Lord God Almighty.
Both from the Old Testament and the New Testament.
@@colonalklink14 I used to think like that, but I simply came across too many problems and mistakes. For instance, most Christians believe that Judas Iscariot went to hell for betraying Jesus. Jesus, however, promised his twelve disciples a throne when he said, "...when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Mt 19:28). So did Jesus give Judas a throne? Or did Jesus go back on his word? You may be able to come up with an answer to that question, but I can give you dozens of more examples. This is why we have Christian Apologetics, to attempt to defend beliefs. But even then one group of Christians will cite Bible verses to support a certain belief (it could be anything), and another group of Christians will cite other verses to prove the opposite. Hence, this is why we have tens of thousands of denominations. So one must ask why the inerrant Word of God is interpreted so many ways? I had to conclude that God did not write or inspire the Bible but rather men. On the other hand, I still believe in a Supreme Being, just not the capricious God of the Bible. You might consider watching some videos on the MythVision UA-cam channel where all kinds of problems are discussed regarding Christianity and religion. Some of the people who are interviewed used to be diehard Christians and even ministers, but they gave it up when they realized that much of it isn't true. Many of them have become diehard atheists, but I disagree with that as well. To me a Supreme Being did create the universe and life on earth, but it wasn't the God of the Bible. People like me are called deists who believe in "Nature's God."
@@harrydecker8731 Judas was never a believer.
He was a disciple but never believed.
As far as I know, Jesus knew who believed on Him and who didn't , as well as who would betray Him.
He knew Judas would be replaced also.
The real reason for all the Denominations is because they all teach a different mixture of faith plus works equals salvation nonsense.
The true gospel is mocked as easy believism, hyper grace, greasy grace, sloppy agape, etc.
Anyway, believe what you want.
Thanks for the honesty.
You know it’s funny you saying Paul can’t even agree with Paul.
If you look at my notes and journals... lol
Absolutely awesome!! Thank you for the videos you put out.
Many " christianities" but Paul Won out.
He didn't though, no christian today believes what Paul believed.
@@lil-al: They certainly except his Torah free Gospel innovation.
@@JakePaulSidechicksBF Sure but his belief in celestial jesus who appeared to his apostles as a bright light and is coming soon (not coming back soon) is not in accordance with modern christianity.
@@lil-al You must know something we don't about Paul. You will enlighten us no doubt.
@@joehinojosa8030 All you have to do is read Paul. I'm sure you can manage that.
A sniper was targeting Dr. MacDonald the entire interview 😳😁
Sounds like Jesus is getting on with his work in the background, good carpentry is the foundation of good theology.
lol
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”
Romans 1:22
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: that no flesh should glory in his presence.”
1 Corinthians 1:18-29
“But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.”
James 4:6
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1:1-5, 10-13
My humble request to Derek to invite Mr. Ali Ataie to know about Jesus of Christianity and of Islam.
It makes no sense to me that Dr. Ehrman won't sit down with Dr. Carrier. He seems like a completely pleasant individual.
Just another mystery school created by Egypt. The apostles told everyone what they wanted to hear to get them on board. Mythvision touches every possible angle except the intentional construct. Its all just "in the air" or a "homage" instead of recognizing it as the consolidation of beliefs under one God; a God that chose one people. Its an ingenious plan for world domination; It doesnt matter who those people end up being. When everyones finished arguing & the dust settles over who Gods real "chosen people" are, they will unite the world (exactly as "prophesied/planned) and its a win-win. The "consecrated land" debate is where the world will be ruled from and who will rule it. The abrahamic religions are antithetical for a reason.
One-true-Christianity is very Unchristian, according to Paul. Paul’s letter says that everyone is allowed to plant the way they want and build the church the way they want - as long as they remember that the foundation on which to plant and build is the teaching of Jesus. The schism between Paul and Jacob arose when Jewish Christians tried to force Gentile Christians into Jewish Christianity and to which Paul then replied that Gentile Christians have the right to be Gentiles without having to convert to Jews. Paul’s idea was not new because the concept of yir’ei HaShem/yir’ei Shamayim (God-fearer) was known in Judaism long time before Paul. Paul’s letters convey a picture of a kind of religious movement that is like the kind of the “come as you were” party where guests comes with the state they were in when they were invited. But in Paul’s day, there were Christians who thought that Paul’s teaching was heresy and they put Paul to justify and advocate himself.
Love the discussion! Wish they touched more on hermeticisms influence on hellenizing Judaism into early Christianity.
The volume is excruciatingly low… eve at full blast on external speaker I had to strain to hear it…. And on headphones while walking it was utterly frustrating…. why the hell do you keep putting the volume so low….on many of your videos not just this one…. please make the volume at least twice as much…. Please…. People can always lower the volume if it is too high …. But if at full blast it is barely audible then the video becomes a total frustration
Ah Dennis suggestion at 27:00 is gold. I think this would be starter with DMD and RC but there are other people who love your audience like Mason for example that would be brilliant here as well.
Christians don't know anything about Paul.🤣
I found Derek’s interview of Dr Steve Mason extremely thought provoking, “first Christians etc”.
Worth watching.
someone was hungry during this lol
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Metaphysics 101
Transforming frowns into smiles is smarter than turning lead into gold. And transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war) is more ignorant (dead) than turning gold into lead.
Question.Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love thier neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"?
Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires (greed).
Hersey really just means choice
The 'big bang' was not Jesus (Christ) but Nerones (Chrestos), therefor the only original christianity is the roman version ; all other heresies spliitted of from there like branches from a tree. Ceasarism is the root, using and seducing Judaism it still exists today in all its different forms. The semitic people of the east hated Rome and kept up trying to develop their own version of faith ultimately resulting in islam. The one true faith never existed at anytime or anywhere.
Adam & Eve is a Gnostic story.
Well, it’s about the tree of knowledge so ...
But there is truth there.
Figuratively, If you look too closely the truth could kill you.
Adam & Eve was simply a pagan myth from Bronze Age Ugarit adapted to fit Jahweh cult nonsense.
Then IDK what Gnostic means.
@@spykezspykez7001 It's a just so story, like all other just so stories.
Reiner.
That is probably the case but think about it, there are parallels to pandora’s Box.
That idea seems to be a very long held idea.
It is a very good allegory to how the acquisition of knowledge kills innocence.
It's all artistic expressions of the exact same thing, and the evolution in understanding of those concepts.
Christianity, in my view, is like the opposite of the Big Bang:
you start out with multiple influences from different cultures even, and eventually they all get tailored into a single "orthodox" religion.
No such thing though.
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As fascinating as all this is, why is there never any time given on this channel to the ethical weight of it all? The bible texts aren't primitive science or a history, they're a call to a way of living. It just makes it easy to dismiss if you subtract the demand to question how we see the world and evaluate our choices. Upside down theology.
The bible is not a call to a way of living. It is a call to infinite ways of living. Early hebrew compilers thought it was best to live one way. Later hebrews altered, added to and redacted ideas creating even more perceived ways of living. As their groups spread out and diversified even more ways of living were called for in a process which continues to this day.
Every believer is an island who has to interpret for themselves what way of living is being called for by their socio-historical context.
The ethical weight then is that these ideas are poison. The bible is a set of pro-authoritarian, pro-exclusionary ideas, justified through falsehoods and inserted into a socio-political process in a way which erodes honest discourse.
It's not discussed because it's not worth talking about. Bible bad. An honest reading of it will lead anyone to that conclusion. Fortunately, this channel does nothing but strive to give honest readings of it. That's really all anyone needs.
Nonsense here 😂🤣.
The Old Testament foretold the crucifixion of the Messiah.
If you read the Gospels you will see that Jesus repeatedly told His disciples that He would suffer, be crucified, and rise again.
I have over four pages of scripture proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is Lord God Almighty.
Cfa
A lot of atheist scholars on here contradict each other. I think Bart Ehrman is most accurate but you should allow rebuttal from Christian apologetics. It's all one-sided.
Christian apologetics???? why mix lying, deceiving, wilfully ignorant, proselytizing jerks on a show of this quality?
@@lil-al well you're on here so more jerks shouldn't be a problem 😂😂
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters because this show is deliberately attacking religion. So let's have more balanced input.
He might be the most accurate, but he presents his case so dishonesty that it would be impossible to know.
@@bouncycastle955 He does pander to whatever show he is on but he knows his stuff.
Do you interview believers and test their faith and equally let them test you back? I'm looking for someone to challenge my belief in God and His kingdom. You have a lot of content, and I haven't seen them all but from what I have they're pretty weak arguments and easy to deal with. Tons of hypocritical arguments too. Like about faith, even though you practice it daily. Faith is a real thing it just depends on where you're putting it. I used to be like you and now I'm what you used to be. I used to use the same arguments; I did the same mispresenting of the bible because of my lack of understanding.
It's absolutely astonishing how something like that can happen. For 20 years preaching the same thing you are and you preaching Jesus. THEN me seeing the truth and Preaching Jesus and you go down the opposite path denying Him. The bible says God opens our eyes and the Holy Spirit is what leads us to all truth. The bible also says it pleases God by foolishness of preaching to save man. He openly admits that the world would think its foolishness but at the same time He uses that to show how ignorant we truly are...We think we're smarter than God. We want to be gods and all you have to do is look at history and today to see how we're absolutely wicked people... All of us.
1Jo 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jo 2:20
But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1Jo 2:21
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Jesus is the truth and He taught us how we're wicked people inwardly and we needed to be born again of the SPIRIT. Until that happens, we won't ever know God and His Spirit. The problem isn't hair, noses, legs and fleshy parts... It's the soul in the man that wants to steal then acts it out with his body. Jesus was dealing with us on the inside and if everyone acted like Jesus it would in fact be a PERFECT world. They never write about what Jesus looked like because it didn't matter, it was about what He was saying "hence the Word of God". It's the simplest thing to understand once you truly see who you are and why this world is a mess. I agree religion is one of the main reasons the world is a mess. Don't forget... religion and the government are who killed Jesus. He was calling them out. Less religion and more Jesus!
This comedy routine is hilarious… you should take it tour. Got anymore?
Relax and have a cookie. It's only cult nonsense.
I'm not wicked never was but I've got many faults and one of them is being too fair minded
I call bullshit on your "conversion".
Why are you quoting bible nonsense???
There was no Jesus.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters
Trying to establish your "credentials" for lack of a better term as a "former believer" by saying that you were "slain in the spirit" (which is unbiblical really) and speaking in tongues just highlights the lack of foundation you had in the word of God, sir. And that's unfortunate.
But aside from that even professed atheists are religious without realizing it, we all have presuppositions about the world for us to function in it, when we peel back the layers enough to get to epistemology is when that comes to light.
If you look down on "faith" as you call it, that would simply make you inconsistent because your faith lies somewhere as well, even if not in a religious worldview.
Plus, no true believer can change your mind or convince you, God has to transform your heart for that to happen, but that would require you to humble yourself. It doesn't matter how sincere you used to be as a "former believer", you were sadly sincerely deceived and never truly a believer, according to the Word of God.
JESUS IS LORD
I’m unconvinced.
@@moonshoes11 iam
@@BibliayFe why?
@@BibliayFe
I’m less convinced.
JIL is making this statement, not to convince anyone, but to defy fans of Mythvision. JIL believes it will be to his/her benefit should there be a 'final reckoning' and believers were right after all.