HEATED DEBATE: Are Jewish People Still Chosen? Dr. Michael Brown vs Gabriel Finochio DEBATE
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Are Jewish People Still Chosen? Dr. Michael Brown vs Gabriel Finochio DEBATE
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Since I endured Gabriel until the end, I must say that Gabriel failed and I am not impressed with his “entertainment “ style. He expressed rudeness, disrespect, and ungodly arrogance.
Hey Ruslan honest question why are you okay with saying hell in the context of “that’s a hell of a question”
Bless God Studios- have you heard of Jason Staples and his exegetical book regarding Israel’s resurrection and regathering?
@@niedlife 2:39:01
yeah i wanna know too whatsup with the cussing
You guys don’t think I may slip up and say something I shouldn’t after 2 hours of that 🤣🤣🤣
When your opponent resorts to name calling, and misrepresenting your position, you have clearly won.
Ad hominem fallacy
Who was name calling and can you point to time stamp?
@@MsAchiless he compared dr brown with the prophets of Baal.
@@thomasrivera9354 no he didn’t. Watch it again, Gabe was attacking his position. And even refused that claim from Brown. It was brown who was resorting to personal attacks and called him a liar because he “misrepresented his position”. That’s bad faith argumentation. You don’t assume intent, you at least ask a question to confirm it.
Brown accused Gabe of everything that he himself was doing.
@@thomasrivera9354 check time stamp 56:18 and tell me where did he call him what your are claiming. Even better, read the transcript from that time stamp.
how did I just get to witness a two hour depiction of Paul’s warning about not becoming arrogant? ROMANS 11:18
😂😂😂
@@benjimusic2 yes, Israel is still the firtborn.
was gonna comment you covered it perfectly.
And avoiding contentiousness, avoiding slander, and living peaceably with all men. Dude was the opposite..this was grievous to watch.
Lol
This settles it:
"'As concerning the gospel, they (Israel) are enemies for your sake, BUT as regarding the ELECTION, they are BELOVED for the sake of the patriarchs. For the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE." (Romans 11:28-29)
What is the context of that verse? What issue is Paul addressing? (hint: He isn't addressing salvation & he is writing to people who are currently being hunted and murdered by Jews)
@@ReverendElation This is NOT referring to salvation. Doc Brown has stated numerous times in this debate.
The whole point is that they are elected by God to be a chosen people. There are certain physical promises given to the nation of Israel by God that are separate than the spiritual promises in Christ.
This election is not rereferring to salvation. This is in regards to NATURAL Israel and the physical promises God had given them.
This is where the hermeneutics of Doctor Brown and Finocchio diverge. Gabe would argue that all the promises of Israel are spiritual in nature and pointing to Christ.
And while the majority of the promises are spiritual and are carried over to the church, there are certain PHYSICAL promises that Yahweh gave to Israel and He will not take back. They are irrevocable.
The distinction must be made between the SPIRITUAL promises of the covenant and the PHYSICAL promises. Spiritual promises (such as salvation) are only accessed by faith in Christ - this is universal, both to the Jew and the Gentile.
@@NickDuplantis This settles it:
9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.” (Revelation 2:9)
@@ReverendElation As Doc Brown stated numerous times, but was never allowed to finish because of the obnoxious interruptions,
This is not referring to SALVATION. Paul is referring to their physical election as a nation.
This is where the hermeneutics of Doc Brown and Finocchio greatly diverge. Gabe interprets all promises in Scripture to be Spiritual in nature - only pointing and fulfilled in Christ.
Although for the majority of OT and NT prophecy and promises this is true, there are certain covenant promises that are physical in nature and apply only to the Jewish people.
This is the distinction Paul is mentioning here in Scripture. The Jewish people, as a physical nation, are called and elected by God - not to salvation - but to certain physical promises. One of which includes the land of Israel.
The spiritual promises of God (such as salvation) can only be accessed by FAITH in Christ Jesus.
As far as the physical promises, these are regardless of Israel's obedience. They are irrevocable because the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. Israel is loved simply on the basis that God had chose them to be a unique people group. Unfortunately, because they rejected the gospel, they cannot inherit salvation apart from faith in Christ. This is universal for both Jew and Gentile.
This why Paul refers to this as a MYSTERY.
I apology for the long winded response.
“This settles it”
Wow crazy no one ever heard of that verse.
Pretentious people are their own folly
The pride, arrogance, and childishness that is exemplified in Gabriel is truly embarrassing to watch. The fruit of the Spirit was non-existent in his speech. It seemed as though he had no control of his own tongue and refused to have any humility when he was caught in clearly misrepresenting Dr. Browns position.
Sadly yes
If you don’t see that attitude issue on both sides, you’re not seeing clearly
@derickjelley7030 there is a difference in having an attitude of seriousness and conviction that your view is correct and theirs in wrong or defending yourself against being misrepresented versus an attitude of disrespect, loss of self control in speech, and lack of any humility. If there is something I missed that Dr. Brown did that was sinful and lacking the Spirit, I appoligize for missing it. But it was unending on the side of Gabriel and rather embarrassing.
@@CDubODoubleZ Dr. Brown is more eloquent and has a better mastery of language, but if you pay careful attention, you find his words were every bit as belittling, personal, and pointed. Honestly Dr. Brown came across to me as highly emotional as well (defenders of Israel often are for some reason). I don’t think either party comported themselves well, and it is worth noting that Dr. Brown first tried to associate his opponent with Nazis before things got out of hand. It’s a debate rife with logical fallacies on both sides, and overall I don’t think it advanced anyone’s understanding or thinking on the subject.
This is just tone-policing.
I have a greater level of respect for Dr. Michael Brown after this. Ruslan as well. Great job mediating during the rough spots.
Because you fell for Brown’s “cheap tactics” he accuses Gabe from doing. Gabe got irritated but rightly so, Brown is far from graceful. So many are deceived by his tone of voice and facial expression they don’t even notice his words…straw manning and vicious personal attacks he started as soon as his 12min rebuttal started.
One of these guys was sober, sincere & civil. The other manifested his awe of his opponent & justified insecurity in bombastic rudeness & childish petulance.
🤔🧐 hmmmm
This is a straight up Shakespearian explanation. Cheers
💯 agreed 😬
It was the sneering and looks of disgust that from Gabe that turned me off……..
That doesn’t make him wrong though
I was more respectful in the MW2 Xbox live lobby when I was 12 than Gabe was in this debate.
bro 🤣
Lol 😂
You probably think Jesus is offensive as well
Oh boy you really got me
Ad hominem just like Doc Brown. Yikes.
Gabe, James 1:19 “ Swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger.” Chill out dawg
@@roze8175 Gabe was angry before he even said a word you can see it in his face and demeanor that he was going to be closed minded and not willing to listen nor be attentive to the actual facts from the word. Weird seems a bit much like a Pharisee would behave. When the word is in your face and you still refuse to acknowledge the word which is the TRUTH you’re completely lost in pride ignorance and anger
You are missing the point of a debate. What do you think the command "shrewd as a serpent" means?
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 shrewd don’t mean rude or the behavior he displayed, chanting Jerry Jerry Jerry or saying I like being provocative, if that’s being shrewd I guess I got the wrong definition, if anything he was the opposite of shrewd and showed how new to this he is…….
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 Shrewd does not mean lacking in Spirit of Gentleness between brothers in Christ.
@@roze8175 have you know of Gabe before this debate? All your comments come off just as defending your favorite theologian that can do no wrong. Gabe was super chill until Dr. Brown started with the calling names lol 🤦🏻♀️ ya’ll acting as if Dr. Brown was not also being passionate and talking over Gabe interestingly not being stopped by Ruslan…
I think the main difference is how people view the word chosen/election. Being chosen/elect does not necessarily mean that the person is saved. The Jewish people are elect, but they are only saved if they have faith in Jesus. This is consistent from the Old Testament when the Jewish people fell into idolatry. They were still chosen but not saved.
Yes, you got it exactly right!
I've been reading Romans and this point is expressed on Romans 10. I believe the answer to the entire debate is in Romans chapter 9 through 11
What does chosen mean then? If chosen doesn’t grant entry to God’s Kingdom which saved gentiles can enter, what is “being chosen” about?
@MsAchiless This is somewhat of a nuanced subject, but I will try to answer your question as concisely as possible. I also want to preface by saying that this topic does touch other theological issues that can affect the conclusions a person makes on this topic.
To explain what being chosen means, it’s best to start in the Old Testament. In Deuteronomy 7:6-9, along with other OT passages, the Israelites are called God’s chosen (elect) people. They were chosen by God, but this did not automatically mean that they were saved. The Israelites had to remain faithful to God in order to be saved. Throughout the OT, there are numerous examples of the Israelites falling into idolatry, and those that took part in idolatry were not saved. Nonetheless, they were elect even though they fell into idolatry.
What we learn about election from the OT is that those who are saved are elect, but not all of the elect are saved. Another observation is that what made Israel special from the other nations was the knowledge of the one true God. In Romans 3:2, Paul makes this point as he describes the Jews as being entrusted with the oracles of God. God tasked the Israelites with being “the shining city on a hill” in order to draw the Gentile nations towards Him. The Jews alone had the knowledge of God, and therefore, are chosen because the path of salvation had been revealed to them. A quick note, a Gentile could be saved by putting their faith in God in the OT. God did not limit salvation to the Jews alone.
In the New Testament, we see the same consistent message concerning election. There are many passages that reflect the chosen as being saved. However, there are also passages that distinguish election from salvation. In Matthew 24:24, Jesus mentions that in the end times there will be false christs and prophets who will try to deceive people, including the elect. The chosen people who are deceived would not be saved given the context of the passage. 2 Timothy 2:10 is another verse that distinguishes election from salvation. Paul writes that he endures everything for the elect, so that they may obtain salvation. There are various interpretations of this verse, but what is undeniable is that election and salvation are not the same thing in this verse.
In Romans 11:28-29, Paul calls the unbelieving Jews elect. The Jews remain elect, but they are not saved because of their unbelief in Jesus. In verses 13-24 of the chapter, Paul describes how the Jews were cut off because of their unbelief, and the Gentiles were grafted in because of their faith/belief. The Gentiles are also now chosen because the knowledge and kingdom of God is not just limited to national Israel. The Gospel is for the world. However, being chosen and having the knowledge of Christ does not necessarily mean that you have salvation. Paul warns that if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare the Gentiles who fall into unbelief.
To sum up, being chosen is about having the knowledge of God. That knowledge is the path to salvation. Nevertheless, a person can have that knowledge and make a choice to not follow the Lord. The Jews today are still elect as promised by God. They have the knowledge of God and have had the path of salvation revealed to them. Once again though, only the Jews who put their faith in Jesus are saved.
A passage that puts all of these concepts together is 2 Peter 1:3-11. God bless!
@@clayw70 Thank you for taking time to respond. This is very clear. God bless!
Gabe conducted himself with about as much class as Cardi B.
Why do I read the comment while watching debates! 😂😂😂
Great discussion but Gabe definitely lost his temper. He should have done his best to get clarity on Dr Brown's position, but instead tried to defend his own presumption of Dr Brown's position and lost his temper when Dr Brown tried to clarify to him his position. So Gabe was partly arguing a strawman and not Dr Brown's actual position.
Dispensationalists judging an argument separate to its tone challenge: impossible
Dr Brown claiming not to be a dispensationalist while having every single attribute of a dispensationalist doesn't exactly equate a fair conclusion.
Dr Brown's premise is baked into his conclusion sorry.
It’s ok to be wrong Dr Brown..Wrong you are, Spurgeon who you stick up for, et Spurgeon was not a tongue talker.
@@Biblehasaleftsidealso dispensationalist is a dirty word to smear those who don't believe in replacement theology. Where most people don't really believe in separate dispensations at all but two things are happening at the same time as God can multitask. He doesn't need to separate things into dispensations.
Garbriel Finochio did a sad disservice to himself and his stance in the debate. I am not familiar with him; perhaps he is just not accustomed to a debate setting. The ultimate faux paus was 'bucking up' to the moderator. That is a huge Nono. You are guests on the moderator's stage. To outright argue with the moderator during a debate is extremely bad form. Even if his position is sound, his behavior severely eroded his stance.
Doc Brown isn’t my cup of tea on so many topics but he knocked it out of the park on this one. The Word stands. Good job! 👍
In a few sentences, what case was he making? In a nutshell. I found it confusing.
@@robbieelliot9491
The case that all the church fathers AND the Bible is wrong and Dr Brown is correct🙄
@@user-lv3mc7rj4h
It's not replacement theology, its fulfillment theology we're assimilating in the religion that they're supposed to be a part of.
Robotic Judaism started a 200 to 500 years AFTER Christ.
Jews are about a saved as a Mormon, one cannot make up a religion not be a cult.
@bygraceonly182
How?? Half of Browns opening was an appeal to authority fallacy. He didn't give scholars arguments, he gave scholars who agreed on one point! How did he knock it out the park??
There aren't two covenants. There is one. Abraham's seed is the church
@@Biblehasaleftsidealso they aren't saved at all, yet, for the most part. But they will be. Amos 9, zeph. 3, zech 12-14
Gabes demeanor grieves me. We won't make any progress toward unity if we treat each other like this. May God have mercy on us all.
10000%
You probably would have been grieved hanging out with Jesus as well. "Does this offend you" - Jesus.
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 Nonsense, nice try to make the two comparable in any way.... yikes
Dr. Brown gives off the demeanor and rhetoric of a seasoned evangelist, scholar, and teacher. Gabe gave off the demeanor and rhetoric of a scholar who is prepared to be challenged, but not used to being challenged.
Id say both had an irritated demeanor
Ruslan, i would love to see more debates on this channel. Despite the heated aspect of it, I found that it was still beneficial and I’m glad it was done. A lot to learn from it.
@@ishotthepilot2904 I learned a lot from Dr Brown but it became evident very quickly that his opponent is not on the same educational level, so maybe this is not apples and apples. Dr Brown is a recognized expert on this topic. I have never heard of his opponent before and he is obviously much younger. Trying to be nice here.
@@deborahbraman4667 I have heard better debaters than Gabe F. but his argument was Biblical and sound. Dr. Brown is more eloquent but he is still wrong in his views. There are other debates with Dr. Brown debating this same topic and the better debaters (Steve Gregg, Gary DeMar, etc.) do a much better job making what Gabe was aiming at more clear.
Dr. Michael Brown won this easily. He just had too much of an advantage since the scriptures truely agree with him.
If this debate was about being "provocative", then Gabe won. He proved that when you can't defend your view you attack the person. I can appreciate Gabes forthrightness but tonight he showed his inability to be gracious and lost his message in his juvenile behavior and approach.
Well done, Dr. Brown. You modeled grace, wisdom, and spiritual maturity while demonstrating a firm grasp on your perspective on this topic.
Thanks, Ruslan, for hosting this debate.
Gabe never attacked Dr. Brown. In a debate setting the whole point is to attack the other persons views. If anything Dr. Brown attacked Gabe personally.
I'd like to point out that Brown began the attack, and continued throughout while also playing the victim.
Brown compared Gabe to Nazis and a persecutor of Jews, then reviled Gabe as a liar when Gabe compared Brown's theology to Baal worship. Brown repeatedly misrwpresented Gabe as a replacement theologian but reviled Gabe as unethical when he misrepresented Browns position also. Brown also lied when he said he didn't know how Gabe was using the word heretic, because Brown accused Gabe of claiming that Brown was going to hell. Ruslan also used the title 'Dr.. Brown' to steel man Brown's position and even defended Brown when when was in hot water.
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 There can be attacks in debates but as brothers in Christ, we should do it in a Spirit of Gentleness.
@@fourthplateau944 He didn't misrepresent Gabe as a replacement theologian, he is a replacement theologian. What he presented is classic replacement theology. N.T. Wright spent like a thousand pages in The New Testament and the People of God detailing this. Brown also didn't compare Gabe to the Nazis he said the theological viewpoint that Gabe put forth was what the Nazis used as a moral justification. Again that is a 100% accurate statement. Gabe basically restated the arguments of Friederich Deilitzch, known as Hitler's theologian. Theology is not just academic. We must look at its fruit, and that was what Dr. Brown was pointing out. The Fruit of the theological perspective that Gabe is putting forth has been over 1000yrs of persecution.
Young man has a deeper problem than this debate...
Gabe chose the way of Barrabas with his attacks😅. Doctor demonstrated the way of Christ with His Charity and Demeanor. Gabe wanted to win the argument, he had no interest in convincing or persuading His opponent or the audience and managed to accomplish neither.
Dude lost his verbal restraint and still got beat..he even had to concede Dr. Brown's principal point albeit backhandedly. Biblically, he was contentious and unwilling to be at peace throughout this debate. Repent, bro!
@@fredball8240 we gotta stick together family!
It's a common problem with the internet age. Young people have absolutely 0 respect for anyone.
Yeah the moderator is a shabbos fool
How can someone be so arrogant and annoying for 2+ hours when the guy he is debating is being completely calm and collected. Kept waiting for bro to run out of steam but he's just committed to acting like a child and fighting. Gabe appears spiritually sick.
IDK man Dr. Brown was a bit heated about being called a dual covenant guy. Understandably so, and he was mature, but he was blasting him a bit.
@@Shardalon he was a saint, comparably
Brown was about as bad as Gabe to be honest. Brown compared Gabe to Nazis and a persecutor of Jews, then reviled Gabe as a liar when Gabe compared Brown's theology to Baal worship. Brown repeatedly misrwpresented Gabe as a replacement theologian but reviled Gabe as unethical when he misrepresented Browns position also. Brown also lied when he said he didn't know how Gabe was using the word heretic, because Brown accused Gabe of claiming that Brown was going to hell. Ruslan also used the title Dr. Brown to steel man Brown's position and even defended Brown when when was in hot water. Frankly both sides were terribly dishonest. Brown is a racist, and Gabe is immature. They both actually agree, but Brown wants Christians to treat sinful jews better than sinful gentiles. Israel will likely belong to both sides in the end as a mixed multitude. But who knows? These two clearly do not.
@@fourthplateau944 Brown wasnt perfect by any means but lets be honest, he was reacting to a very hostile Gabe, who thought it was funny to just "be provocative". Under those circumstances i thought brown did fine. and as far as the debate itself goes, I dont really have a dog in the fight and i think they both have decent arguments
@krufty47 I agree that he was reacting. Gabe's prideful opening statement really set the tone. I just want people to see that both sides need to mature spiritually
Gabe is a really good example of what belligerent dogmatism looks like in the Christian community, thank God for this debate to expose how immobile and insulated his views are. Good platforms do this, thank you Ruslan.
Keep hosting debates, they’re important. Thanks!
Ruslan, Ive followed both of these men a while. I thought you Did a phenominal job with mediating this conversation. Appreciate your calmness and even your own clarity. Bless you.
This ⏫
He did not stay as a moderator what do you mean he was so one sided his friend was dr Michael brown it’s clear as day how can you praise him???
Yes
@@nicolasdol2920
I'm right there with you, as Ruslan usually does a much better job?
Touchy subject & Zionists practically manifest, no offense if you don't completely agree with them...
Israel is 70% atheist, 25%+🏳️🌈
Is the 🏳️🌈 CAPITAL of the world, and statistically the gRape capital of the East.
These are rational concerns & the ELECT/Christians are being deceived/played
Get educated AND stay neutral😬
Gabe is insufferable and has discredited himself in this debate. I've watched many theological debates, some of them heated, and I have never seen someone this immature and mean-spirited. I feel bad for Ruslan and Dr. Brown having to try to contain him.
Why are you people so soft?
Being respectful is not being soft@@its.okay.to.be.christian
@@its.okay.to.be.christian Why are you so willing to excuse a spirit of division? Calling wise, calm men “soft” isn’t loving or Christ-like. You need to examine your heart as much as Gabe does, apparently.
@amyk87 because I watched the video, and these guys are simply being soft. Christ was not a weak, soft man.
@@its.okay.to.be.christian do you know these men personally to characterize them as "soft"?
I am so tired of the antisemitism card being pulled in this debate topic.
1. It doesn't matter if Gabriel's position leads to antisemitism. What matters if it is true or not.
2. Gabriel's position is not antisemitic. How it was interpreted throughout history is the fault of bad faith actors not the doctrine itself.
I agree but I think as Dr Brown mentioned replacement theology though not anti semitic in itself was a trailhead in some Anti Semitic beliefs throughout the early church, The Middle Ages, and even during Nazi Germany.
@beholden1663 Yes but it is irrelevant. I can understand if there were doctrines that encouraged the active persecution if Jews by Christians. Replacement Theology, however, does nor tell Christians what to do with ethnic Jews. It is simply irrelevant to the debate topic l.
It does matter, "church" tradition cannot lead to murder and death if it is true.
@@beholden1663 um that’s exactly why he wrote the last sentence lol
Just believe in Jesus Christ. You will be enlightened. Europeans christians( catholics, then protestant) wronged the Jews by promoting pogroms against the Jews.Forgive thier ignorance.
What happened to us Gentiles. Isreal is in a state of blindness for us to come in. The Bible is Jewish Book. All the writers are Jews. All the prophets are Jews. All the Apostles are Jews. The Holy Land which is the central place of the Bible is Jewish and last the Messiah we serve in His humanity is Jewish.
So Jew is your ultimate God? Sorry, I missed where it says that Christians should worship to bow down to Jews?
Galations 3:9
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:28
New King James Version
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galations 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I like how everyone here is focused on Gabe's tone, but are unable to say anything against his theology
If you judge a debate only on how nice they are then you are a sheltered child.
This👏🏼
Not sure tbh is makes one a sheltered child. I think you can condemn a debate between believers by how they embody integrity and biblical values. I think it would be foolish to say someone “won” based on just who was nicer, so I agree there, but you can still judge Gabe’s attitude and behavior.
@@user-zg1lr3oq6f His theology is ignorant clearly against Dr brown's and it clearly shows he doesn't understand the old testament prophecies and phrases regarding israel and when jesus comes back.
Thank you. EXACTLY 👍
@@italiabosh 😂
I am a gentile believer and I am appalled by some Christians in the comments being anti semitic/ hating Jews! It is wrong to keep blaming Jews as a whole for the death of the savior. I remind you that the Romans took part in the crucifixion as well!!
1 John tells us that we cannot hate our brother and say we love God!
I remind you that it was the sins of every man on the cross and He bore it! He carried it for me and you! Therefore stop blaming one group! We are ALL guilty!!!
The bible explicitly states multiple times that the jews killed Jesus Christ, as does the Talmud as does Paul and Peter in their preaching. If you say it is wrong to assign blame you condemn the apostles themselves. The Jew is accountable for his sin just as the gentile is, but you can see a direct refusal to be accountable for killing Christ.
John 10:18, "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received from my Father". He gave his life for us as atonement for our sins.
@drewdouglas1844
The world's sins put Christ on the cross,Jews are just the ones who handed him over,and Gentiles are the ones who killed him.
Also let's not forget what it's says in Romans 11 about wanting to feel than Jews:
Romans 11:17-18 ESV
[17] But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, [18] do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.
Matter of fact,I haven't even finished watching this debate and I feel like the answer to the question they're debating is in Romans chapter 9 all the way to Romans chapter 11.
It would have been beneficial to outline what each other's definition meant before the debate or in the opening argument. I do feel there was talking over and under each other. I will admit Gabe's behavior was poor-sad to see. I understood what both sides were saying but really think these 2 werent even arguing on the same understanding of each others definitions.
Gabe's definition of chosen appears to mean salvation
While Dr. Brown's definition appears to mean "chosen to be used as some tool for the future"
Both definitions are true in themselves but theyre not even arguing on the same matter
@BlessGodStudios
Would love to see this topic revisited and debated again between Dr Brown and an actual scholar who’s mature enough to disagree but act with respect instead of yelling “Jerry, Jerry” in the middle of a debate.
Doctor Brown has done many of those. This was better and unique because it had "Jerry, Jerry" type humor throughout.
@@lanceallenmcginnis1105 I don’t know if better is the right word, entertaining sure 🤣 but in a kind of way you look back and realize man, that kind of attitude in a serious debate is disrespectful
@@tinas7909 not in this debate he wasn’t
@@christophercook1978 very true! I was actually shocked by Gabe’s statement on the Reformation! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@tinas7909 I agree with Gabe on the Reformation for the most part 🤣 I was more speaking to his attitude and character.
Why are we debating? This scripture below sums it all up .
I ask, then, has God rejected his own people, the nation of Israel? Of course not! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham and a member of the tribe of Benjamin. Romans 11:1 NLT.
I think a lot of the debate comes from the present-day American view of Israel. I feel like a lot of Christians want to blindly support Israel which is where I disagree. Israel will turn from darkness, but until then, it's important to understand that present-day Israel does not respect us as Christians, nor have Christian interests at heart. None the less, I pray for the day the Nation of Israel repents and chooses to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and God.
Because under the new covenant Jews can still become his chosen people?
@aiden2804 Paul says there's a veil over their eyes , one day, they will accept Jesus as their Messiah . We all are Jews ,meaning we all are God's chosen people through Jesus.
@@laurabeseth3943 The chosen doesn't change the covenant changed.
@@jodashpillay7740 amen God bless you
This guy set up so many straw man arguments against Dr brown, it’s laughable. He makes a lot of accusations even when Dr b says that’s not what he believes.
No, sorry, you got it backwards. The sophist is Brown. Only a fool defends conversos
Gabe is arrogant and ignorant. Definitely not a good debater!! Ruslan should not be making light of the fact that Gabe is an “entertainer” when he was supposed to be having a sensible debate. He needs no encouragement to be such a horrible representative for the fruit of the Spirit. This wasn’t a debate….it was a mature very well studied elder trying to interact with a middle schooler brat. Dr. Brown is a great debater and I wish he hadn’t wasted his time doing this with Gabe.
@@kat-im7le Agree 100%! And there was nothing “entertaining” about Gabe.
Nah. He is shrewd as a serpent which is much needed to counter the deception that Jews are chosen.
Gabe dude is arrogant
Gabe is a child in a man’s body. The way he reacts when he has to sit through rebuttals is revealing. He looks so uncomfortable having to actually listen to people.
Gabriel Finochio was so out of line with Dr. Brown (and Ruslan). I honestly cannot believe how much patience Dr. Brown has because I 100% would have rage quit that debate with the way Gabriel lied and then played dumb about it. God bless you Dr. Brown and may the Lord give me that amount of patience with people like that.
Dr Brown exemplifies the trope of "cries out in pain as they strike you".
He calls Gabe "childish", "unethical", "a liar" , "silly" etc, etc, then proceeds to accuses Gabe of making personal attacks.
What a joke.
He’s a slimy one for sure.
Gabe won this debate 100%😅
😮 it’s true
There is a huge difference between just statements and unjust statements 🤡🤣
John 8:44 go read it and stop slandering 🤡🤣
I am a fan of The Reactionary Christian podcast hosted by Gabe. What you saw here was Gabe being his fiery, admittedly reactionary self. He’s not often polished and at times bristly but to say he doesn’t love the Lord and is not a Christian is disingenuous. The winner of this debate is all those who saw these two men contend for the faith and feel inspired to dive deeper into Gods word- Hallelujah & Amen!
*St. Paul settled this debate close to two thousand years ago:*
*Romans 9:6-9* : _"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” _*_This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring._*_ For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.”_
@groundzero_us
Paul is saying live like your ancestor Abraham or get blotted out.
Ishmael: Genesis 16:11-12-> Genesis 22:1-2
Esau: Malachi 1:1-4
Judas Iscariot: Acts 1:15-20
Can you tell me your view of this text more please.
@@GroundZero_US this is still out of context. Can you provide more verse? Especially start with verse 1?
@@john.jai.sullivan A plain reading of the text suggests that St. Paul is saying that race or blood doesn't make you a child of Abraham; rather, faith in God is what makes you a child of Abraham.
What this scripture says is that the children of the promise (The promise is The Holy Spirit) are counted as the seed. Humans baptised with the Holy Spirit are counted as the seed. It's as simple as that.
If you think there are still special "chosen people" based on ethnicity, you've completely missed the gospel
@@mlwilson2956 my thought exactly. Jesus, the cross, the tearing of the veil. These are all elements meant to destroy old divisions. Christ can with a sword to divide those who accept Him and those who don’t. That’s the only line of demarcation that matters.
Bunch of dorks
Sorry. The Bible clearly says Gods position on the Jewish people. They are favored
@@HankSemoreButz please show a single verse where it says *Jews* are a favored people. Not Israel, but Jews specifically.
I believe your theology is confused
@@marverb5 where in the Old Testament would you like to start?…
Hands down one of the worst debate performances I've ever seen from Gabriel Finochio... He made it personal, mischaracterized Dr. Brown's beliefs, and Dr. Brown just ran circle around him in regards to knowledge and interpretation of scripture. Embarrassing. Gabe is just unhinged, and certainly doesn't show Christ in his behavior in this debate
I think that Gab has lost this one, because he doesn’t know his subject Scripturally and historically. Dr Brown knocked this subject out with every clear statement that encompasses the whole council of God’s Word.
Gabe's arguments don't hold up to scrutiny, so he has to resort to ad-hominem attacks. Dr. Brown obviously doesn't teach that Jews are saved outside of Christ, but Gabe keeps insisting that he does.
46:27 The difference between God calling Israel his people in the OT when they were in sin was because the fullness of His revelation wasn’t revealed yet. Now that Christ has been revealed there is no excuse. Grace is now paramount in its abundance, and yet the Jewish people reject it and spit on it. The remnant are those who are in Christ by Faith alone, not by birth.
@trilltez
Luke 9:22-> Romans 11:25-32
@@johnmann8659Romans 9:6-1 --> Galations 3:16-29
@@johnmann8659Romans 9:6-9 --> Galatians 3:16-29
AMEN!
@@Swordbringer That passage in Galatians is addressing being under the law. It has nothing to do with God breaking His word to the Jewish people.
Anyone who believes God cancelled His promise to keep Israel as His special treasure is calling Him a liar and an oath-breaker. If He can break His promise to them, He can break His promise to YOU.
Spoiler alert: He can’t.
What a poor showing from Gabe. I can’t imagine Ruslan rebooking him for anything
Nah, Gabe won if you were listening
I think the real question for dr Brown is who are the Jews and what are they chosen for?
He explained that cleary, that Israel is Gods chosen people and the land of Israel belongs to them, that Jesus will return to the Israel and all Israel will believe in Him and be saved.
@@williamlegge2167 man I’m not trying to be rude but you literally just said again in your answer “ the Jews are Gods chosen people”. What does that mean?
Who are they, are you saying the future Jews who possess the land Israel are chosen to all be saved? Is that what the Jews are Gods chosen people means? If not then who are Jews and what are they chosen for?
Gabriel sounded very much confused, ignored Brown's arguments, took verses out of context and constantly used strawman arguments. Almost as if Gabriel wasn't knowing what he was talking about... 😅
Yes. Gabe was not listening to anything that Dr. Brown was saying. Gabe continually brings up topics which Dr. Brown already covered. Gabe was not listening to anything that Dr. Brown said. Regarding this debate, Gabe was in over his head. Way over his head.
@@mjrjolt Have a re-watch. Gabe has an important case for us as all Christians. Brown reframed the debate topic from Chosen People. Are you saying what Gabe said is wrong?
@@robbieelliot9491 Yes, Robbiee....Gabe could not and would not engage Dr. Brown on Romans 11 and other scriptures from OT. Gabe quoted the church fathers, but did a poor job of rebutting Dr. Brown's scriptural arguments. And when Dr. Brown tried to engage him, Gabe would move on to another topic or scripture. He refused to engage because he was so ill-equipped with scriptural knowledge. Gabe tried to say that Judaism was apostate and irrelevant because of the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. He ignores the fact that Judaism continues and the saints are meeting in synagogues which Dr. Brown stated several times, in the book of James. Again, Gabe refused to deal with this passage in James re: meeting in the synagogues. So, Gabe was a sad, poor, pathethic loser in this debate, and that's obviously not just my opinion. Any objective observer who supported Gabe should be embarrassed by his performance. He was in over his head!!!
Thumbs down. I very much appreciate Dr Eitan Bar. I'd love to meet him and talk to him about how all of us are to see Jesus in the TaNaK. The REALITY is that The TaNaK is about Jesus BEFORE it is about anybody in the Scriptures. It is about Jesus before it is about Israel, before it is about Abraham, before it is about David and before it is about Noah, and before it is about Adam. I think the entire debate is off focus.
@@robbieelliot9491 Yes robbie, I am.
Easy win for Brown. Gabe is a bad faith and unskilled debater. He is a wrangler that lacks basic character to rep his side well. Far more qualified dissenters for Brown to debate.
So EVERY person born a Jew and EVERY Ethic Jew in History Past Present and Future will be in Heaven.. including such Atheists as Larry King and Howard Stern Right? 😮
I cringe when people say Jews killed Jesus. Not because they didn’t(they definitely did), but because it nullifies the gospel. Jesus died because we all have sinned (Jew and Gentile). By blaming solely the Jews you carry upon yourself the Spirit of the Pharisees.
The Romans actually carried out the killing though and continued to slaughter Christians for three hundred years, so that argument always seemed disingenuous to me, particularly because who actually put Jesus on the cross? Everyone of us! Your sins, mine and everyone’s put Jesus on the cross.
@@TheBenevolentDictatorship exactly brother! Saying the Jews alone killed Jesus is straight up a lie and anti-Semitic. Especially when the gentiles did just the same.
@@TheBenevolentDictatorshipyeah they killed him by petition from the Jews. The leaders actually. Relentlessly petitioned 😂😂😂😂😂
As a jew... this buffles me.
A. It was the Romans who killed him. Blaming others for what they chose to do is stupid.
B. It was the Senhadrin and the pharisees who convinced the romans, and they never represented the will of all the people. Judaism then was even more diverse than today. Saying that the pharisees represent all the jews is like saying that all christians are protestants
C. And maybe most important- Yeshu was a jew, as did all his disciples. He taught Judaism. He preached about the torah and the prophets time and time again. He criticized the Pharisees for NOT maintaining the law of Moses.
So... again. Saying 'the jews killed Yeshua' is such a problematic phrase that honestly I don't think it ever brought anything other than antisemitism.
@@BarefootDaniI appreciate your input! I just want you to know that I am so sorry so many Christians spread such antisemitism, I myself am descended from Jews who were awfully prosecuted in Portugal and Spain and it annoys me how overtime we have downplayed the prosecution of Jews by the church.
I would like to add that correct Christian position is that Jesus died for our sins, by our I mean the whole world (Jew or Gentile). So, he had to die not because Pilate said so or the Pharisees asked him to, but rather because God used those people to bring about His plan to redeem all of us. Placing sole responsibility of Jesus’ death undermines Christianity and is pure antisemitism.
Dr Brown 1-Gabe 0
Why would Dr. Brown choose to debate with someone as immature and emotionally charged as Gabe? It would have been better if Ruslan had moderated the debate more effectively. I hope you will invite a skilled and professional debater who is a perfect match for Dr. Brown
Go ahead and do that. No one will watch and no one will learn or be challenged. This is the best content Ruslan has put out.
@lanceallenmcginnis1105 nope
wasnt gabe the one who requested to debate Dr Brown
I've never heard either of these gentlemen before but this debate got out of hand and it is Ruslan's fault. Gabe was being fairly reasonable before Ruslan put his finger on the scale and interjected himself. Gabe obviously got defensive after that, and Ruslan (who was obviously biased here) continued to make it a 2 v. 1 situation and the temperature continued to rise. I still don't know where I stand on this issue after this debate because Dr. Brown's stance is confused (I agree with Gabe), however Dr. Brown also points to convincing scripture.
I can’t stand all the arrogance in the church. “Thanks for letting me correct your theology.” 🤦🏻♂️
I understand he meant it as a joke, but I don’t think he really was joking. I think he actually has that attitude, like so many Christians I know.
I’m confused what he even believes. Or what his denomination is exactly. All I can tell is he didn’t pay attention to being the salt of the earth, and being calm and collecting. His behavior was similar to one who is afraid to let someone poke at their beliefs lest their beliefs crumble to the ground.
I have questions on:
1. Choseness - elected to service (its presumed purpose, when, to what end)
2. How does one commit to the belief that Israel is chosen without some parenthetical doctrine like Dispensationalism, or Christian-Judaism?
3. If Israel is chosen, to serve the future Kingdom of Christ, what measure or bearing does that have on
those that are in covenanted relationship with Jesus Christ until such a time as their election should be fulfilled (not of Israel)?
4. Does presumed election on part of the nation of Israel account for all of historical Israel being saved?….Israel in past and present, and future? Or only all of Israel that exists at the time in which their promise is to be fulfilled?
5. Presumed by my fourth question, “WHO IS ALL of Israel”?
6. Does election vindicate anything egregious that they as a people today may do? If so? How is it justified? Both now and presumably, in the future Kingdom of Christ (wherein in they must serve)?
Thank you, sir, for saying this. Dr. Brown never addressed it in the debate.
These would have been awesome question for Gabe to ask. I’ll pass them on to Dr. Brown.
@@BlessGodStudios wow! What an honor Ruslan! Thank you! 🙏🏾 man I appreciate that wow
@@its.okay.to.be.christian thank you brother for chiming in. What do you think?
@@john.jai.sullivan , I think you nailed the crux of the debate. The who, what, where, and why and that words have meaning and Dr.Brown was not giving solid definitions for his terms. It was a 2 vs 1 debate. Also, I believe the word heretic has meaning and that it's justified to call someone a heretic if they are one.
Wow Gabriel interrupted and talked over Dr. Brown so much! It was really frustrating.
I'm embarrassed to have listened to Gabe yell instead of respond to questions.
I'll stick with the Word.
Thank you Dr. Brown.
"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said....By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." - Hebrews 8
I hope Wise Disciple does a debate reaction for this.
Yes, my exact thoughts!
I hope so too.
I was thinking this the whole time. My first thought was that terms should have been defined on the front end which should have been done in opening statements. There were a lot of assumptions and both trying to clarify the entire time so there wasn’t much debate to be but more defending each others character
Ruslan, I love debates and am happy to see you hosting things like this. One thing that I think would be enormously helpful moving forward is to either stick to a strict debate format or just have a discussion where you help make sure it says civil.
This debate was a weird mixture of both and I think that contributed to the confusion. When it is a strict format is absolutely clear who is meant to be speaking and who is interrupting.
For instance when you stepped in to correct Gabe on Dr. Brown’s position on dual covenant theology. This would have been perfectly appropriate in a discussion that you are moderating. But in a structured debate it’s not good to weigh in on an issue that is directly relevant to a speakers position. Also in a discussion/dialogue you have more latitude to discuss more topics like it seemed you wanted to. It’s simple to ask further questions such as “whats your opinion of the reformation?” Whereas in a debate a person should really only need to speak on the resolution being debated.
Anyway this is just my opinion and I enjoy your content, God bless!
Appreciate this comment. I was about to say something similar. Now I don't have to.
Gabe’s entire argument is a strawman around the hour and twenty minute mark. While he brings up good points overall, his arrogance is evident while being blatantly shown he’s fabricating facts. Much respect to Dr.Brown for his professionalism and respecting the ethics of debate.
I’ve lived in pride and arrogance for a long time and I’m praying for freedom for Gabe.
100%
It's all catholics and orthodox bros have.
Dr. Michael Brown did a phenomenal job!! Gabe was extremely arrogant and dishonest. I’d like to see a debate with Dr. Michael Brown and Jeff Durbin on this topic.
Gabriel’s opening statement was him only explaining his false belief. Dr brown got straight to the point and showed SCRIPTURE AFTER SCRIPTURE
How it's a false belief ???
No one believes in Dispensationalism before the 19 th Century...
emerged in the 19th century, largely through the teachings of John Nelson Darby, a leader in the Plymouth Brethren movement. It gained popularity in the United States through the writings and teachings of figures like Cyrus Scofield, whose Scofield Reference Bible popularized dispensationalist interpretations.
It's just heresy...
Gabriel is blinded by Pride which prevents him from being humble and receiving a deeper level of Truth and Understanding and I believe that somewhere down the line he has been hurt by something that someone in leadership has either said or done which has caused him to be argumentative and arrogant and it’s very very clear he is way out of his depth here.
I pray that the LORD heals his heart and emotions and brings a deeper level of Revelation and Understanding to scripture. Godbless him ! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🔥🔥
Ruslan, you need to have a mute button for each of the debaters with you. Without it, you're not moderating, you're just accompanying them. There's hardly a better example of this than this debate.
@@aprendiz4 Ruslan, thank you for not having a mute button. You understand the point of a debate and you let them play 90s era bball. You understood the assignment.
😂😂😂
@@RuslanKDjust spam the airhorn effect when they interrupt each other
Its so ridiculous that Gabriel is provoking (hes own words) Dr. Brown and then complaining that Dr. Brown is acting provoked, this is so 21st century style of debating.
Leave dr Michael Browne alone , with his own interpretation , let each individual have their own opinion
Saying that we‘re right, because we read the scriptures, but Ignatius of Antioch, who not only knew exactly what the apostles wrote, but got discipled by them and basically lived under them (perhaps for decades) is wrong. Well, this seems quite arrogant. Again, Gabe is clearly correct.
Gabe got flustered and did not handle it well, but Dr. Brown started the maliciousness at 1:08:10 when he broke the otherwise courteous debate format to accuse Gabe of “dishonestly” debating by not conducting a proper rebuttal? Very weird accusation and very rude.
Further, Ruslan did not moderate well and his correction of Gabe about dual covenant theology was out of line. After that, he clearly favored Dr. Brown.
Despite Dr. Brown’s claims, his argument does invent two covenants. If there were only one covenant his case falls apart.
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I was literally stunned when that happened. I wasn’t aware of who Gabe was before this, but many in the comment section were saying this was his first debate. Dude. Imagine being him for a second. You’re up against a renowned biblical scholar and he derails the conversion by an accusation of gross ethical violation against you, immediately proceeded by a notably smug and sarcastic accusation of lying??? No wonder Gabe was flustered. Moreover, the moderator was clearly biased from that point on, perhaps because he bought into Dr. Brown’s accusations at face value? If you go back to Dr. Brown’s own rebuttal period, you can clearly find inflammatory comments against Gabe and his positions… the difference is that his refined rhetoric makes these fly under the average viewer’s radar. But Gabe’s right, Dr. Brown directly accusing him of lying is a bad faith argument. It didn’t seem like Gabe was deliberately “lying” about Dr. Brown.
That was a wild ride that left me with a lot to think about. Genuinely.
Many dispensationalists in the comments unable to absorb an argument if somebody presents it without a smile. No wonder this heresy has caught on fire over the last 100 years.
By worshipping Jews as saved you are blaspheming God. Put your emotions away and think about this. Do you think God is going to grant you grace if you worship people who all believe that Christ is burning in hell?
This comment is from someone who obviously didn’t listen to the interview. Doesn’t understand Browns position or dispensationalism but probably dies hate Jews and regularly listens to Nick Fuentes.
@@ashercraft oh I listened, way more than I should. But keep on doing the work of The Great Accuser by accusing me of listening to Fuentes or whatever other charge you know nothing about.
The Jews aren’t saved until they come to their Messiah for salvation.
The Nation of Israel has been TEMPORARILY set aside, not cut off. And right now God is working His purposes through the Church (Body of Christ).
But Paul and the OT Prophets all speak of a FUTURE time where the Nation will know Jesus (Yeshua) as Messiah and be regenerated and saved.
These passages can be read in Jeremiah 3, 23, 33; Ezekiel 36 & 37; Zechariah 12 & 13; Isaiah 61… just to name a few.
Excuse me? What doctrine teaches that the Jews are saved by their birth? Who teaches this? The fact that you even felt the need to make this statement reveals you don't understand what this debate was about.
@@QueMariall of the nation or just some?
Dude… if the churches were falling in error WHILE THE APOSTLES WERE ALIVE. I promise you they can and will fall into error after the apostles.
I believe Gabe quoted Irenaeus, who was 130-200 AD in France. He was a pupil of Polycarp. Polycarp actually did observe Jewish elements concerning Passover and other things that the church eventually outlawed in the Council of Nicaea. The point Brown was making was that apostles didn’t hold Gabe’s position.
To this day, we observe passover, the true passover, Pascha. Become Orthodox
@@blackzodiac420cool. I am a Protestant who celebrates the true Passover, Páscoa.
I can’t believe how childish Gabe is. I held him in high regard until this debate. His lack of humility and self-control is so painful to watch. Where is the fruit of the spirit? His actions are like a 12-year-old. How sad. Maybe he should go to Theos U.
How would historic protestantism reject Messianic Judaism? Peter was a messianic Jew.
Peter was a catholic.
Peter was a Christian. Choosing a different name is rejecting the body
What is this comment supposed to mean?
Early protestants don't believe in replacement theology
@@Bigchickens what is it, specifically, that makes Messianic judaism heretical?
I soooo wanted to side with Gabe because I mostly agree with him on the issue of Israel today.
However, I have NEVER encountered such immaturity in a debate. Shameful!!!
I’m finding this frustrating because neither side has defined terms. For example, what does ‘chosen/elected mean to each side? Who are the ‘Jews’? The term ‘Jews’ and ‘Israel’ seem to be interchangeable in this debate but should they really be interchangeable when the tribes in the Northern kingdom were spread throughout the world? Again that was not defined, discussed and clarified.
Dr. Brown clearly defined what chosen/election means according to scripture. It's for vocation or service.
Gabe kept misunderstanding Michael. He reacted as if Michael was saying all Jews are saved. That is not what he meant. Michael was simply arguing that modern Jews still have a purpose on earth, and their becoming a nation will lead to an ultimate return to God, who is Jesus Christ.
Dr. Brown is a missionary Jew. It's ironic how he keeps on saying that the text speaks for itself. But he is notoriously known of ignoring the old testament and quoting the new testament. He is the king of 'taking things out of context. Even in this debate he kept citing quotes from the new testament and completely twisted the old testament.
Dr. Brown is a joke.
MESSIANIC Jew not "missionary" Jew..Messianic Jews quote from the NT because they believe it.
Gabe "The Promise is in Jesus Christ." Michael Brown "No Matter what you do, I'm going to still preserve you even outside Jesus." How can you be a chosen people of God Outside Jesus Christ??????
Because of the promises God made to Abraham and Israel. That's Dr. Brown's whole point. Those promises are not revoked.
Jews still need Jesus, but they never stop being God's chosen people.
Not chosen for salvation, chosen for a specific purpose in God’s plan. I think they are not understanding what the other means “chosen for”.
@@jasonjenny2 Yeah and thats what happens at the middle of the cross. I'm also unclear what chosen means.
Just go read Romans 9,10 and 11. The jews are still chosen cause that's who God made his original promise with.
Romans 11:1-2 ESV
[1] I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. [2] God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.
They still need to have faith in Jesus Christ(this point expressed in Romans 10)
but they're will be a remnant of Israel that will come to Christ
Romans 11:5 ESV
[5] So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
@@sohloh32gaming92 Over the Week I have meditated on this subject and have come to the conclusion that Jews are Gods Chosen people under the Cross and Resurrection of Jesus Christ! No longer Jews or Gentiles we are all brothers and Sisters in Christ!
Dr. Brown is maybe the most skilled debater of theology. He made Doug Wilson look ignorant of scripture, that's saying something. I agree more with Gabe's side, but Dr. Brown just shut him down and proved once again that is one of the most Biblically knowledgeable people alive today.
What video did he do that with Doug?
@@givethanks6714 I watched that debate. It was about cessationism. He must have watched another debate because Wilson came out of that debate as the clear winner, even though I don't agree with his cessationist doctrine. Watch it for yourself. This poster isn't being objective
I think both debaters missed one another. Dr Brown clearly state that Jews without Jesus are not saved but at the same time declared they are still (ethnic Jews) the “people of God. And Mr Gabe state that the Jews who reject Jesus are lost and that you cannot call someone a “people of God” if you reject Jesus. That was the problem.
Romans 11:1-5
@@FoJ-REAPPGod still refers to the Jews as His people because “He calls those things which be not as though they were.” (Romans 4:17)
God foreknows that the national salvation and restoration of Israel will happen, which has been foretold by the Prophets over and over.
Ezekiel 36:23-28; Zechariah 12 & 14; Isaiah 61; Jeremiah 3; Jeremiah 31.
Well, what´s to miss here. Gabe is simply and obviously wrong. Romans 11:28 couldn´t be any clearer -> Enemies for the gospel´s sake but beloved concerning election. Not saved, but still chosen and beloved.
I’m confused about how so many of these comments are in favor of Dr. Brown… I love the guy, but he was manipulative and dishonest this whole debate. He was trying to make himself look morally superior by gaslighting without actually addressing the actual debate at hand. Gabe had to spend half the time defending his character. What Dr. Brown was doing was far more provocative than anything Gabe did. He directly accused him of grave sins several times, and insulted him, while Gabe only had provocations about Dr. Brown’s positions, not his character.
I personally think it's a demonic delusion that keeps people from seeing Dr. Brown's biblical position on this topic.
I don't understand how Michael Brown supports that Israel are still Chosen (which I agree with) which is biblical, yet doesn't believe in Dispensationalism, which is also biblical and actually a building block to his position..
"The Time of Jacob's Trouble"
@@Art38Nh exactly, not the Churchs trouble.
Gabe is obviously joking in those moments people are writing off as “narcissistic” 😂 Gabe was defending himself pretty well imo, especially when he was not being heard on his explanation of the Dual covenant theology remark. He was pointing out that you cannot say Jews are still chosen without also holding two (2 = dual 😄) covenants. Yes, that is not the definition of THE "Dual Covenant Theology", but the logic still follows; it is inconsistent to say Jews are still chosen and yet there is only one covenant. Both Dr. Brown and Ruslan were unable to come to terms with that in the moment. As well as not being able to objectively see the logic of the “sincere prophets of Baal”, I have grace for Dr. Brown because it’s hard to hear that without taking offense. But what can you say, that’s debate 🤷♂️ blessings to all of you.
Agreed!! Debates are way more enjoyable to watch when you can feel their passion for the position shining through. Sad to see that be discouraged by Ruslan . Political correctness and the need to be so “nice” all the time is secular nonsense seeping into the faith. Early church fathers were not so concerned about offending or taking offense 🤣
100%!!!
Pinocchio should have brought along Jiminy Cricket to tell him how to behave so that he could avoid making a fool of himself.
I agree theologically with Gabe, and i feel like Brown takes this one 65-35. Feel like at some moments Ruslan kinda makes it a 2v1 against Gabe unfortunately…that’s when Gabe loses his cool. both Brown and Ruslan misinterpret Gabe’s “audi-JW” arguement as an personal attack when it’s not, he’s pointing out a belief in an early move away from orthodoxy that it seems brown is taking.
Even early church fathers agreed Jerusalem is the mother of all churches.
There's no such replacement theology in Bible OT or NT.
Salvation is of the jews, not gentiles.
Jesus will return and reign from Sion, Jerusalem, Israel, not other place. No gentiles' place shows God's covenant still belongs to Israel.
The New Jerusalem obviously is the proof. At the end of days all kings of nations will go to honour God on Israel.
Revelation 21:12, 14, 24, 26-27 (KJV) And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
It is pretty inexcusable for Gabe, at the end, to take the debate based on scripture and move to political motives. Gabe should be ashamed for criticizing a man who has gone to Israel to preach the gospel to his people and has been persecuted for it. Shame on him, that is probably the worst of the “personal” attacks. A few childish moments of his caused him to lose this debate, this being one of them.
You started out introducing these two men as thinkers. Mr. Finochio proved that he is not a thinker with his sophomoric name-calling and daytime TV chants. He doesn't have an argument so he resorts to childishness.
As a person who is currently more orthodox but spent significant time in the charismatic Pentecostal branch of the church… I believe that Gabe is correct. Dr. Brown has a certain view because the Israel pillar is foundational to the charismatic model. I’m not apt to trust their judgement.
@danih2444 conversely, as someone who is charasmatic that seen a lot of orthodox content and comments, it seem the orthodox people are far more rigid and will not listen to anything that is counter to what they were taught. Because you place tradition at such a high level, you are less willing to critically look at those traditions. My experience is the exact opposite of yours. The comments on this video prove my point.
Who are the 144k?
Im a fan of Dr. Brown, but he lost his cool from the beginning. He is too emotionally invested in this topic to give an objective argument.Never heard of Gabriel Finochio, but I think he did a good job bringing in so many bible passage for his side.
You’re joking right?
This is an embarrassing comment. Pretty sure Gabe was the one starting with emotional remarks about having wrong theology and basically everyone being a heretic that doesn’t believe what he believes.
Not what Michael brown did.
How far did you get?
Yeah I know either of these guys but this was my thought as well. Everyone else must also be emotionally invested in Dr. Brown.
@@BlessGodStudios did we watch the same debate? Lol
Gabriel is not mature enough to be engaging in public debates like this. He needs to get back into the cage until he's ready to engage in a measured, calm way. At least we can all see now that the cage stage is not only for Calvinists.
He was clearly nervous. May be his 1st official debate. Give him some grace
@@epinoob22 Dude's gotta be like 40 he should know better. He works for a church, apparently has been in the church for a long time as a musician. There is no excuse. If he wants to be taken seriously going forward, he needs to repent of his childishness and grow up. If he was 16 I'd give him a pass but he's not a child. He was clearly just chomping at the bit waiting for a chance to attack Dr. Brown.
@dver89 yea it's like flat earthers. It's pride at that point
@@epinoob22Maury Maury Maury !!
@@epinoob22I think the issue is that you can tell Dr Brown wanted a tradition debate while our man Gabe was open for a bit of trolling
You can choose not to believe in Replacement Theology and still understand that Jesus is the only way for mankind.
Wow Gabe has truly embarrassed himself and all Christians. I pray that none Christian’s never see this
1:17:00 - The promise is in Jesus Christ. There is no preservation of God's people, outside of Christ.
That includes Gentiles too. Many Jews accepted Christ as Messiah as Gentiles. God is still giving an opportunity for more Jews and Gentiles to accept Christ as Messiah until judgement day.
Gotta remember he’s called Reactionary Christian. He’s self confessed reactionary.
I cannot see how he isn't just clamoring for attention with that title. I think as Christians we are supposed to be loving, joyful, wise, and steadfast, not reactionary.
@@dver89 what would you call the 95 theses?
I discourage Gabe’s attitude in how he composed himself tonight. But I’m not going to go as far to say that he’s not loving, joyful, wise and steadfast. I’d suggest he’s human and gave into temptation. Dr Michael brown handled himself with composure and grace, but he wasn’t as articulate. Gabe’s behaviour makes him look saintly though, which muddies the waters for some. I’d also point out the Ruslan has a bias for Michael. As far as moderating a debate goes, Ruslan did poorly. He needed to remain more objective and to be honest, a lot the times, just mute the opposition during respective cross examinations. I’d say across the board it was a poor debate. Gabe’s behaviour was loud and obvious, but he wasn’t the only one contributing poorly to the debate. I’d say he should apologise for being disrespectful to a respected elder in the church. He can still respectfully disagree and have an edge to him.
What a lousy name
@@dver89 It is perfectly GREAT to be "reactionary." There is ZERO role for useless American "tone policing" in our lives. None. Zilch. Let's think through a little patch of real life contemporary Christendom. Christians run more Law Schools globally than any government on earth. Now, ponder all the Christian judges all over the world sending real men and women to prisons. Every day of the week. Think through that reality. Think of Christian judges in Uganda sending homosexuals to prison. That's real Christian life. Not long ago. Today. What and who Americans "don't like" and "like" is not relevant to anything in real life. My lovely Aunt Edna was a mild mannered church lady. Jesus and Saint Augustine were not mild mannered church ladies. Don't confuse Christendom with mild mannered church ladies. Remember Bishop Tutu? I met Bishop Tutu a few times in person. Bishop Tutu led the charge in destroying an entire country (Apartheid South Africa) wholesale. Ponder that Christian reality for a few hours. Breathe it all in.
Ruslan, very interesting debate to hear for an Orthodox Jew, I’ve learned a lot - and its fascinating to see when you asked Gabe to comment on Roman 11 he refused. Dr. Brown’s defensive point is quite clear.
wow. This was the worst debate ever..... Dr. Brown was A to Z uniform and scriptural. The other guy contradicts himself over and over again, before he even finishes a full statement. This is why you should respect elderly over the younger generation.
Gab. Wasn’t slick, but he told the truth supported by the scripture all the way.
I really hope Gabe's pastor reads these comments and gives him a reality check on his maturity and how he conducts himself. Even if he's right, he lost the argument by being so childish
Gabe is Catholic
Gabe is a unfortunate representative of Christianity. Bro the moment you said the "Jerry" chant you lost any good faith I had at that point. I don't think you understand the difference between antagonistic and provocative.
The Church's beginning is in Israel, and Israel's end (salvation) is in the Church (Christ)! Dr Brown's understanding is incorrect.
Really?
There's no such replacement theology in Bible OT or NT.
Salvation is of the jews, not gentiles.
Jesus will return and reign from Sion, Jerusalem, Israel, not other place. No gentiles' place shows God's covenant still belongs to Israel.
The New Jerusalem obviously is the proof. At the end of days all kings of nations will go to honour God on Israel.
Revelation 21:12, 14, 24, 26-27 (KJV) And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I didn’t even read comments and kept thinking how arrogant this man sounds and then I read the comments and find that so many felt the same way. That says so much. Dr. Brown is such an exceptional man!