I served as a deckhand on the Cleveland Cliffs boat Frontenac in 1967 before college. I loved the perfect lines of those old boats and will miss them. Thanks for the video.
The Frontenac (and several other traditional lakers like the Arthur M Anderson & Kaye E Barker) are still sailing. In addition, there are multiple museum ships that are lake traditional freighters.
@@falcondragonslayer The current Frontenac is a Canadian boat. The Cleveland Cliffs Frontenac was wrecked on shoals near Silver Bay in the late 1970s and scrapped. It is confusing.
Great story! The last shot of a laker brought back memories of seeing them on Lake Erie when we would (infrequently) visit the beach. Dad called them ore boats, not knowing they carried other cargos. Thanks for the memories!
I shot that back in 2001. I was camped at a state part up in Michigan's thumb along with a film crew from NYC. We woke up that morning and saw 7 oreboats lined up off shore... SEVEN!! I told them that they were lucky because that NEVER happens these days. Turned out there was a fog-stop at the Soo and traffic got backed up. What a lucky day.
Seven! Great catch! I’ve been watching videos of traffic coming and going at Duluth. This morning I saw the Paul R. Tregurtha leaving a couple of days ago. This afternoon I happened to catch her at the Soo locks.
I was lucky to have my dad, an Ford Executive, book our family a cruise on the William Clay Ford. We left the Rouge Plant and sailed up to Rogers City Michigan for limestone. This was in the mid 1960’s. A storm came up on Lake Huron and to be at the bow where our cabins were. Riding up a wave and looking back at the rear of the ship at the bottom of the wave. For a 13 year old boy watching this was magical. She was a beautiful ore ship.
Very nice video. It's funny about the lines of a vessel. Some seem so beautiful and some so ugly. Anyone ever see a good looking sea going car carrier? They hurt my eyes. The Ojibway was a fine looking boat. Thanks Wes. More fun for us.
Great story. I plan on building the R/C 19" freighter model from your instructions here on UA-cam. This old design is fascinating to me. Thanks for sharing
The straight decker Edward Ryerson is still around but it’s been laid up at Fraser Shipyard since 2009. I work up there for the winter layups and I haven’t heard anything about them scrapping it, I’m pretty sure they’re making some repairs to it.
There was a rumor a few months back about a contract being given to a local electrical company to perform work on the Ryerson. Any idea if that happened?
Personally I'd like to see the Ryerson preserved as museum ship. To me its too classic and historical to scrap and is one of the last of her kind. She'd make a great museum in Superior or Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
Saw the Ojibway many times over the years cruising along M29 and up into Marine City. Always liked the look of her. But, I never knew this! My dad would love this one!
Wes, you did yet another wonderfully researched video. The story of this fine straight decker literally came alive for me. Not many videos keep my absolute full attention while watching, but yours always do. Thanks so much for documenting yet another fascinating ship.
My husband and I have just found your channel recently. It is quickly becoming one of our favorites. Thank you for the interesting history of the boats we love watching but know so little about.
Interesting pictures with half and half livery. Sad to see her go. That last photo made me feel really nostalgic for watching boats up at the new Presque Isle light. Thanks for the vid, Wes.
My first ship! Started as a temporary painter on the Independent at River Rouge when Kinsman took it over. Joined the union right after and worked onboard for quite a few years..So many stories and memories. Thanks loved the video!!!
This makes me sad to see this happen. I tracked her, as she went back and forth on the great lakes, on “Vessel Finder”. I never saw the ship or knew how she served with distinction. It was a name I liked. Thank you for her story. A salute, and a toast the old lady of the lakes.
Wow, thanks for the memories! Spent a lot of time watching the ships pass by on the St. Lawrence river in the late 1950's through the 1960's into the 1970s.
Thanks for that fascinating story! I grew up in Erie, PA. Back in the 1960s, we would go out in Presque Isle bay in our little 16' Lyman motor boat. In the early spring there would be several ore boats moored in the middle of the bay, either waiting for the new season to begin, or in storage. We would often anchor our boat near the ore boats and fish there. I also watched the 1000'er the Stewart J. Cort steam through the channel from the bay to Lake Erie on her maiden voyage. That was quite a sight. Your videos bring back a lot of memories of my days watching the ubiquitous ore carriers, and all manner of other ships from all over the world that would visit the port in Erie, and unload and load cargo there. Thanks for that too!
i was on the Ojibwa 7th of july 2022 when it was at the colborne scrapyard getting some tools and materials that they left behind, it is really cheap to get stuff off scrap ships. when i got there it was pretty well stripped, it was very sad to see such a ship in that situation. it was a really cool experience to be on that ship and explore the entire thing along with the manistee but very sad to see them get cut up. i did get a lot of pictures of the two while i was there so that was a bit of a bonus.
@@authorwes I've been taking some pictures the last few years, and a couple videos if you have any interest in them, of various ships in owen sound. One unloading salt, one unloading cement. Recently, I believe frontenac, was leaving harbour when there was a gale warning, and was at anchor in the middle of the bay for a few days by an old pier. Anyway, always enjoy your videos aswell :)
Wonderfully researched and complete story !! The amount of research needed must be extremely time consuming !! From all of us viewers I thankyou for your time doing this. 👍👍👍👍
I remember back in the 60’s dad and I took a trip to Cleveland just to see stuff and explore. We were on some kind of dock and there were three ships like this. The one in the middle was snapped in two and the both ends were down in the water and I assume sitting on the lake bottom. It’s one of those memories I’ll never forget.
I like the razzle dazzle camouflage on the us navy ships during world War and world War two as the and that will always confuse the submarines commanders hunting for them
This is a great video, thank you for sharing the history of this amazing vessel. I applied to work for Lower Lakes Towing in 2020 as a deck officer cadet for my sea phase. I did not get the position but it would have been something to have had a chance to work on such a beautiful vessel.
Yep- I always look for two things... a unique opening and some deep history to pass on new information that most folks don't know. In this case I had a link to detailed Japanese WWII naval history (I recently wrote 2 books on the Great Lakes and WWII) and thus the name of the I-27's captain. So, although other sources had stated the basic info that her engine came from a vessel that had been torpedoed by I-27... I could add a lot more. Believe it or not, there is far more information on the I-27 than there is on the Alcoa Protector that she torpedoed. The Japanese kept better records than the US Maritime in WWII.
Also growing up in Saginaw Michigan, we also pronounced it Oh-jib-way island. Always a little sad to see the boats like this and the Manistee sail off into the sunset for the last time.
Thank you so much for the wonderful comment. I had to deal with a nit-picking critic today, so your good words serve well at the moment. Thankfully, those nit-pickers are few and folks like you are many, so you are the ones I treasure.
Great job as always Wes. Love to hear the history behind the ships. Too bad I was too young to see most of them in their hay-day... (I was born in 1981). Hope you and yours stay safe and well.
I just did her last inspection of firefighting equipment maybe a week ago so she can sail from Quebec to Ontario, incredible to see all the history, I guess I’m lucky to had a last glance at this beautiful ship 😯
Another great video, Wes! The straight deckers will sail on in memories of those that remember them. I'm holding out hope for the RYERSON, I saw her launched in 1960 in Manitowoc, but it doesn't look good for her or JOHN SHERWIN. Thanks again for keeping Great Lakes history alive. 3 long,2 short from Green Bay.
Sad to see her go. I suppose even if it were possible for her to sail under the Blue Water Bridge while passing the most recent addition to the Great Lakes fleets, the image wouldn't be as striking as the photograph of one of the last sailing vessels passing a steam laker under the Blue Water Bridge when the bridge was being constructed in the 1930s. But every time another classic laker is scrapped, I think of that photograph. Time sails on...
Sad to hear... Seen Her a many of times as traveled up and down bound on the Detroit river as well as the St. Clair River... When you watch em under the Blue Water Bridge they get so close to the American Side in that narrow channel You can see them almost as if you standing next to them. Will definitely miss seeing as she steams past... Sad to see them go... I guess they are aged some and with the cost of fuel oil they can't carry the tonnage of the more modern haulers but they look the same without the wheelhouse up front. I think her old Ford running mate Benson Ford II is still steaming under the name Kate E Barker.
Speaking of straight deck museum ships. It would be cool if you did a episode in the William A Ervin which is parked in Canal Park in Duluth harbor! Yeah I could go and do all the research on her but you do such a great job of it that I think people would enjoy it!
I still have an old hat with the Cleveland Cliffs logo on it worn back in 1967. Don't know if you're a collector but I'd be glad to send it to you if you are interested. Originally from Detroit but now live in Columbus, Ohio.
Another fine video Wes. You mentioned the Edward L. Ryerson at the end. Fun fact, she is named after the younger brother of Arthur L. Ryerson, who went down with the Titanic in 1912.
Saw the Ojibway at the ADM bean dock many times where the marine leg would be offloading beans (and I assume canola). Sad to know she is gone. The self unloaders have no advantage there as ADM doesnt have the facilities for them so they simply swing the stacker boom out of the way of the leg.
I recall seeing the KINSMAN INDEPENDANT often from the Skyway Bridge at General Mills in Buffalo, and the OJIBWAY in Lake Erie and the Welland Canal proudly displaying Perry's Flag. Saw her being scrapped throughout last summer at Port Colborne . Unaware she was the same vessel.
Great video! I have just one question: Shouldn't the Stewart J. Cort and Roger Blough, technically, be considered "straight deckers" as well if the Ojibway is to be considered as such? All three vessels, as well as the CTC No. 1, have unique self unloading systems specialized for their intended cargo and docks.
Ever onward rides the chariot of time. The straight deck freighter had now gone to the same place where the whalebacks and the tall ships had gone many a year ago. "Praeterit enim figura huius mundi"
It would be interesting to know the destiny of the steel going out from the ship breakers. Do they become Chevys, Fords or Chryslers, or bridges or tuna cans?
It was a sad day seeing her and Manistee make their way to be retired, I don’t like the term “scrapped” Retired shows respect for the great veteran ladies. The Mississagi was a great loss too.
Love your videos. Atari graphics in this episode were neat. You do an excellent job at narrating these videos and I really appreciate your thoughtful and calm presentations. Keep up the great work.
It just seems wrong to me that a ship with that much history is just unceremoniously sent to the scrapyards. We save things like old war planes and tanks, and yes, these are not quite as expensive to keep, but the freighters of the Great Lakes support the backbone of American industry. And these freighters that haul millions of tons of taconite, coal, and many other cargoes to support our nation are just sent away once they become a burden. I just hope the same doesn’t happen to the Reyerson cause she’s still fit for service with some repairs.
@@edfrawley4356 In Duluth there is also the William A Irvin, which I have toured (although it was long ago when I was a little kid). But seeing them permanently laid up, never able to carry the cargoes across the lakes anymore, it’s a bittersweet feeling to see them.
I just can't stand it! I'm a lad of Lake Michigan, starting life in Holland and my teens through 30s in Spring Lake. Countless times I was blessed to be around the classics. The bluff bow giants suck. It's too sad.
I served as a deckhand on the Cleveland Cliffs boat Frontenac in 1967 before college. I loved the perfect lines of those old boats and will miss them. Thanks for the video.
The Frontenac (and several other traditional lakers like the Arthur M Anderson & Kaye E Barker) are still sailing. In addition, there are multiple museum ships that are lake traditional freighters.
@@falcondragonslayer The current Frontenac is a Canadian boat. The Cleveland Cliffs Frontenac was wrecked on shoals near Silver Bay in the late 1970s and scrapped. It is confusing.
Great story! The last shot of a laker brought back memories of seeing them on Lake Erie when we would (infrequently) visit the beach. Dad called them ore boats, not knowing they carried other cargos. Thanks for the memories!
I shot that back in 2001. I was camped at a state part up in Michigan's thumb along with a film crew from NYC. We woke up that morning and saw 7 oreboats lined up off shore... SEVEN!! I told them that they were lucky because that NEVER happens these days. Turned out there was a fog-stop at the Soo and traffic got backed up. What a lucky day.
Seven! Great catch! I’ve been watching videos of traffic coming and going at Duluth. This morning I saw the Paul R. Tregurtha leaving a couple of days ago. This afternoon I happened to catch her at the Soo locks.
I was lucky to have my dad, an Ford Executive, book our family a cruise on the William Clay Ford. We left the Rouge Plant and sailed up to Rogers City Michigan for limestone. This was in the mid 1960’s. A storm came up on Lake Huron and to be at the bow where our cabins were. Riding up a wave and looking back at the rear of the ship at the bottom of the wave. For a 13 year old boy watching this was magical.
She was a beautiful ore ship.
Thanks or posting that story.
Ho fun that must've been! I didn't know things tat happened until I started following these videos
I can imagine that being on the William Clay would have been a real experience. Would love to have been able to do that.
Great to see another installment from Wes.
Sad to see the end of an era.l
Indeed
Ojibway was one amazing beauty! Another sad story ! Thank you very much for the information!
Glad you enjoyed it
Damn. W. That was a good one.
Thanks!
Very nice video. It's funny about the lines of a vessel. Some seem so beautiful and some so ugly. Anyone ever see a good looking sea going car carrier? They hurt my eyes. The Ojibway was a fine looking boat. Thanks Wes. More fun for us.
I live on Chesapeake Bay and the big ROROs pass almost daily. Huge boxes floating along 800+ meters long.
Great story. I plan on building the R/C 19" freighter model from your instructions here on UA-cam. This old design is fascinating to me. Thanks for sharing
Cool!
The straight decker Edward Ryerson is still around but it’s been laid up at Fraser Shipyard since 2009. I work up there for the winter layups and I haven’t heard anything about them scrapping it, I’m pretty sure they’re making some repairs to it.
There was a rumor a few months back about a contract being given to a local electrical company to perform work on the Ryerson. Any idea if that happened?
@@justinolsen9284 not that I have heard of
Do you think she will ever go back to work?
Personally I'd like to see the Ryerson preserved as museum ship. To me its too classic and historical to scrap and is one of the last of her kind. She'd make a great museum in Superior or Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
Nice Saginaw shout out. Used to hang at Ojibway Island in the 70s and80s
For me it was mostly the 60s
The depth of your knowledge is greater than the depth of all the Great Lakes combined. Thanks for sharing it with us.
The secret is, not to know and remember it all... but know exactly where to look.
@@authorwes That's a free "pro tip" right there. Thanks again.
All things must pass, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing, or that we have to like it! Well done video!
Thank you
Another great video thanks for all the hard work
Glad ya' like it!
I’m glad I got my video of the Ojibway in algonac 2 years ago on my jet ski!!!I got really close..I loved that ship!!!rest in peace
I shot a ton of digital photos and video of her at the Soo in 2018... it all got wiped out in my November 2020 computer crash! Ugh.
...glad i watched, thanks.
Glad you watched it too. Thanks!!
Good job Wes.
Thank you.
Thanks for the great video. Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Saw the Ojibway many times over the years cruising along M29 and up into Marine City. Always liked the look of her. But, I never knew this! My dad would love this one!
Good to hear that.
Wes, you did yet another wonderfully researched video. The story of this fine straight decker literally came alive for me. Not many videos keep my absolute full attention while watching, but yours always do. Thanks so much for documenting yet another fascinating ship.
Thank you for viewing and for these kind words. It's my viewers and my readers that really make the effort worthwhile.
Great video, excellent & interesting tribute Wes. Loved the night photos of her!
Those were by my buddy D.J. Story... she was one of his favorite boats
Great episode Wes, thanks
You're welcome
My husband and I have just found your channel recently. It is quickly becoming one of our favorites. Thank you for the interesting history of the boats we love watching but know so little about.
Welcome aboard!
This was a fascinating story! It is sad to know she may be the last of the straight deck bulk carriers. Thanks for sharing this.
Sad indeed
Interesting pictures with half and half livery. Sad to see her go. That last photo made me feel really nostalgic for watching boats up at the new Presque Isle light. Thanks for the vid, Wes.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you Wes! Your research is always so thorough. You say it correctly to my ears.
Glad that you agree.
Thanks for her history. It always sad when these beautiful lakers are retired and scrapped.
Tell me about it
My first ship! Started as a temporary painter on the Independent at River Rouge when Kinsman took it over. Joined the union right after and worked onboard for quite a few years..So many stories and memories. Thanks loved the video!!!
Very cool!
This makes me sad to see this happen. I tracked her, as she went back and forth on the great lakes, on “Vessel Finder”. I never saw the ship or knew how she served with distinction. It was a name I liked. Thank you for her story. A salute, and a toast the old lady of the lakes.
Thank you
Super cool
Keep up the great videos! Love the vid!
Thanks! Will do!
what's going on Mr. O? nothing from you for a while - hope all is well? always always appreciate your uploads, pure class .
Wow, thanks for the memories! Spent a lot of time watching the ships pass by on the St. Lawrence river in the late 1950's through the 1960's into the 1970s.
Very cool!
Lake Huron girl here (Thunder Bay, Alpena). I remember seeing her. I didn't know she was owned by Ford, wow. RIP 🙏 old girl.
Yep.
Thank you
You are very welcome !
Thanks for that fascinating story!
I grew up in Erie, PA. Back in the 1960s, we would go out in Presque Isle bay in our little 16' Lyman motor boat. In the early spring there would be several ore boats moored in the middle of the bay, either waiting for the new season to begin, or in storage. We would often anchor our boat near the ore boats and fish there. I also watched the 1000'er the Stewart J. Cort steam through the channel from the bay to Lake Erie on her maiden voyage. That was quite a sight.
Your videos bring back a lot of memories of my days watching the ubiquitous ore carriers, and all manner of other ships from all over the world that would visit the port in Erie, and unload and load cargo there. Thanks for that too!
I love Erie PA, did a few lectures and book signings there many years ago. Great place.
i was on the Ojibwa 7th of july 2022 when it was at the colborne scrapyard getting some tools and materials that they left behind, it is really cheap to get stuff off scrap ships. when i got there it was pretty well stripped, it was very sad to see such a ship in that situation. it was a really cool experience to be on that ship and explore the entire thing along with the manistee but very sad to see them get cut up. i did get a lot of pictures of the two while i was there so that was a bit of a bonus.
You sir have really sparked a new interest in me in Great lake boats. Your tributes are excellent. Thanks!
Thank you. that's the best thing I can hear... errr... I mean read.
@@authorwes I've been taking some pictures the last few years, and a couple videos if you have any interest in them, of various ships in owen sound. One unloading salt, one unloading cement. Recently, I believe frontenac, was leaving harbour when there was a gale warning, and was at anchor in the middle of the bay for a few days by an old pier. Anyway, always enjoy your videos aswell :)
Wonderfully researched and complete story !! The amount of research needed must be extremely time consuming !! From all of us viewers I thankyou for your time doing this. 👍👍👍👍
You are very much welcome and thank you for the great comment.
I remember back in the 60’s dad and I took a trip to Cleveland just to see stuff and explore. We were on some kind of dock and there were three ships like this. The one in the middle was snapped in two and the both ends were down in the water and I assume sitting on the lake bottom. It’s one of those memories I’ll never forget.
That was likely the Daniel J. Morrell. She went down on Lake Huron.
My dad was captain of the Kinsman Independent up until his retirement around 2001. I always admired the beauty of her lines.
You have great taste
Nice camouflage pattern for that that ship and it can always still come in handy for sailing in war waters
LOL
I like the razzle dazzle camouflage on the us navy ships during world War and world War two as the and that will always confuse the submarines commanders hunting for them
i did a bunch of work on her last winter in the engine room and its the nicest engine room in the whole fleet. hard to believe its time for scrap
The bean-counters always get their way.
What a sad story I nearly had a tear in my eye 👁 thanks for sharing 👍🏼
You are welcome
Thanks for this video! Glad our guys got to do her last fire equipment inspection near Montreal.
Cool!
This is a great video, thank you for sharing the history of this amazing vessel. I applied to work for Lower Lakes Towing in 2020 as a deck officer cadet for my sea phase. I did not get the position but it would have been something to have had a chance to work on such a beautiful vessel.
Hope you get a spot soon!
I hope 'Cuyahoga' isn't next, she's 9 years older than Ojibway. Great video! Love the history.
Keep your finger crossed.
I will try to start tomorrow by using your rc ship building tutorial.
I have been to the soo a number of times and enjoyed seeing the large ships. This was a very interesting video. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
I did wonder about the ww2 story and we’re it was going
Excellent 👍👍
Yep- I always look for two things... a unique opening and some deep history to pass on new information that most folks don't know. In this case I had a link to detailed Japanese WWII naval history (I recently wrote 2 books on the Great Lakes and WWII) and thus the name of the I-27's captain. So, although other sources had stated the basic info that her engine came from a vessel that had been torpedoed by I-27... I could add a lot more. Believe it or not, there is far more information on the I-27 than there is on the Alcoa Protector that she torpedoed. The Japanese kept better records than the US Maritime in WWII.
I remember her coming into owen sound harbour. Glad i found your channel excellent content 👍
Thanks!
Dam, I can't believe that the Straight decker is gone forever, it's so sad to see an era of great lakes shipping go away. :(
Great video Wes. You just got a new subscriber who also grew up in Saginaw.
Awesome! Thank you! I'm from the East Side... Sheridan Park. My dad was the Zamboni driver during the Saginaw Gears games (Hawks and Generals too)
@@authorwes Go Gears!
Damn, I saw her just last season.
Lucky you... I missed her last two seasons
That's another one gone like the looks if them better than the modern ones
You and me both.
Also growing up in Saginaw Michigan, we also pronounced it Oh-jib-way island. Always a little sad to see the boats like this and the Manistee sail off into the sunset for the last time.
HA! See... I was right! I grew up on the East Side... Sheridan Park. My dad was the Zamboni driver for the Saginaw Gears games too.
I remember when the Ojibway was named the Ernest R. Breech while sailing for the Ford Motor Company out of Dearborn, Michigan.
Cool
Sad!!! Farewell, lady! I think I have some pics of her from my last trip to the Soo about 6 years ago...
I shot great video of her at the Soo in 2018... lost it all in a computer crash in November 2020.
Still so happy I found this channel. Love the research you do and the stories you tell.
Thank you so much for the wonderful comment. I had to deal with a nit-picking critic today, so your good words serve well at the moment. Thankfully, those nit-pickers are few and folks like you are many, so you are the ones I treasure.
@@authorwes don't let the trolls and nit pickers get you down.
it is better to make something with passion then to haven ever made something at all.
Great job as always Wes. Love to hear the history behind the ships. Too bad I was too young to see most of them in their hay-day... (I was born in 1981). Hope you and yours stay safe and well.
All is well. Keep boat watchin'... it's good for you.
The early Ojibway years with the splotches of different color paint... It's like if my old 1983 Delta 88 I drove 20 years ago was a ship. 😁
I had a 72 Delta 88 in 1982... it was on it's last legs
I just did her last inspection of firefighting equipment maybe a week ago so she can sail from Quebec to Ontario, incredible to see all the history, I guess I’m lucky to had a last glance at this beautiful ship 😯
You are indeed.
Lived near Lake Erie for 5 years in the 60s, would never think the ships lime this would be gone.
Same here.
Another great video, Wes! The straight deckers will sail on in memories of those that remember them. I'm holding out hope for the RYERSON, I saw her launched in 1960 in Manitowoc, but it doesn't look good for her or JOHN SHERWIN. Thanks again for keeping Great Lakes history alive. 3 long,2 short from Green Bay.
Why is the world is the Sherwin still around? It'll never be restored. Wonder what that company is thinking?
@@chuckg6039 That's s good question, Chuck. With the MARK BARKER coming out in June, I doubt wether the SHERWIN will see summer.☹️
Keep your fingers crossed for the Ryerson.
Wes, I’d like to thank you for covering the Canadian side of Great Lakes shipping. Not many people do this in such detail.
I love Canadian stuff for just that same reason- so may authors tend to ignore it. I try and put Canadian content in all of my books too.
@@authorwes You're by far my favourite creator on these topics. You make these with such fine detail. I'd love to pick up some of your books one day
Sad to see her go. I suppose even if it were possible for her to sail under the Blue Water Bridge while passing the most recent addition to the Great Lakes fleets, the image wouldn't be as striking as the photograph of one of the last sailing vessels passing a steam laker under the Blue Water Bridge when the bridge was being constructed in the 1930s. But every time another classic laker is scrapped, I think of that photograph. Time sails on...
Thanks. I'm teary now, but still thank you for the story. (BTW, I'm from the other side of the state, and we pronounce 'way', too.)
Ya' see... we are correct.
Sad to hear... Seen Her a many of times as traveled up and down bound on the Detroit river as well as the St. Clair River... When you watch em under the Blue Water Bridge they get so close to the American Side in that narrow channel You can see them almost as if you standing next to them. Will definitely miss seeing as she steams past... Sad to see them go... I guess they are aged some and with the cost of fuel oil they can't carry the tonnage of the more modern haulers but they look the same without the wheelhouse up front. I think her old Ford running mate Benson Ford II is still steaming under the name Kate E Barker.
The BENSON FORD was originally the EDWARD B. GREENE, a straight deckers when Cleveland-Cliffs had her.
What makes it even sadder is that she powerfully drove her self to the scrap yard
Indeed
Speaking of straight deck museum ships. It would be cool if you did a episode in the William A Ervin which is parked in Canal Park in Duluth harbor! Yeah I could go and do all the research on her but you do such a great job of it that I think people would enjoy it!
That is actually on my list.
I still have an old hat with the Cleveland Cliffs logo on it worn back in 1967. Don't know if you're a collector but I'd be glad to send it to you if you are interested. Originally from Detroit but now live in Columbus, Ohio.
If I get one more hat, my wife makes me get rid of two.
@@authorwes Understood. Thanks again for the video.
If I’m not mistaken the pilothouse was removed, I think its on Beaver Island now
Another fine video Wes. You mentioned the Edward L. Ryerson at the end. Fun fact, she is named after the younger brother of Arthur L. Ryerson, who went down with the Titanic in 1912.
Okay- now that is a cool bit of information.
Never knew the story of her steam turbine. They built 'em good at Defoe.
Yes they did!
I'm starting to get the impression that whatever ship hangs out In my hometown harbour for any length of time is destined for the wrecker
Hummmm... could be... (Ha!)
Thanks, Wes. Wasn’t/isn’t Ojibway the name of one of the big Arnold Line/Star Line ferries at Mackinac?
Been a long time since I went across to the Island, so I cannot say for sure. I gotta get back there this summer.
Saw the Ojibway at the ADM bean dock many times where the marine leg would be offloading beans (and I assume canola). Sad to know she is gone. The self unloaders have no advantage there as ADM doesnt have the facilities for them so they simply swing the stacker boom out of the way of the leg.
Yep
Great story!
So, does "straight deck" mean not a self-unloader then?
I wondered the same. That is my guess as well.
Yes... straight deck means not a self unloader in boatnerd slang
I recall seeing the KINSMAN INDEPENDANT often from the Skyway Bridge at General Mills in Buffalo, and the OJIBWAY in Lake Erie and the Welland Canal proudly displaying Perry's Flag. Saw her being scrapped throughout last summer at Port Colborne . Unaware she was the same vessel.
What about the author m Anderson
Here's the video... ua-cam.com/video/DnABnQrMp70/v-deo.html
Also the last built with the traditional (non-cruiser) stern.
VERY true!
I was a team member at heddle marine services during the refit overhaul when she was the voyager independent after tge maritime trader...cool old tub
Yep
Great video! I have just one question: Shouldn't the Stewart J. Cort and Roger Blough, technically, be considered "straight deckers" as well if the Ojibway is to be considered as such? All three vessels, as well as the CTC No. 1, have unique self unloading systems specialized for their intended cargo and docks.
Good point. Guess it depends on which boatnerd yer' talking to.
Ojibway is gone forever, but 480p remains.
loved video but some are still around like ss arthur marvin anderson also from 1952
Ever onward rides the chariot of time. The straight deck freighter had now gone to the same place where the whalebacks and the tall ships had gone many a year ago.
"Praeterit enim figura huius mundi"
Well said.
The Edward L Ryerson stoll exists as a straight decker...just laid up in port in Wuperior Wisconsin I believe
Still and Superior
@@alexandersinclair9006 yeah. Stupid phone keyboard
We're you get the propell or do you build it
I build my own.
It would be interesting to know the destiny of the steel going out from the ship breakers. Do they become Chevys, Fords or Chryslers, or bridges or tuna cans?
Good question
Wish something could be done for all the remaining ones...
Indeed
GEVO powered lake boat? That’s a first!
I have plans for my rc great lake freighter
Good
Yes
Sad day. May she rust in peace.
Indeed
That's depressing and I don't even live around there nor have I ever seen it in person...
I'm bummed that I lost my video of her in a computer crash in November 2020
straight decker? must be talking about the ships with out self unloaders. right???
Correct
A little William garden in that wheel house visor
RIP extra long cargo ship
Yep
It was a sad day seeing her and Manistee make their way to be retired, I don’t like the term “scrapped” Retired shows respect for the great veteran ladies. The Mississagi was a great loss too.
Totally different terms and meaning
@@alexandersinclair9006 Duh
Love your videos. Atari graphics in this episode were neat. You do an excellent job at narrating these videos and I really appreciate your thoughtful and calm presentations. Keep up the great work.
It just seems wrong to me that a ship with that much history is just unceremoniously sent to the scrapyards. We save things like old war planes and tanks, and yes, these are not quite as expensive to keep, but the freighters of the Great Lakes support the backbone of American industry. And these freighters that haul millions of tons of taconite, coal, and many other cargoes to support our nation are just sent away once they become a burden. I just hope the same doesn’t happen to the Reyerson cause she’s still fit for service with some repairs.
Yep
Well if you are ever in Toledo there is a Lake boat serving as a museum ship.
@@edfrawley4356 In Duluth there is also the William A Irvin, which I have toured (although it was long ago when I was a little kid). But seeing them permanently laid up, never able to carry the cargoes across the lakes anymore, it’s a bittersweet feeling to see them.
@@edfrawley4356 The Col James M Schoonmaker
@@falcondragonslayer Atleast the Schoonmaker sails sometimes
I just can't stand it! I'm a lad of Lake Michigan, starting life in Holland and my teens through 30s in Spring Lake. Countless times I was blessed to be around the classics. The bluff bow giants suck. It's too sad.
At least we got to see them when they were around.