Why Joe Alt to Chargers, Brock Bowers to Raiders are head scratching draft picks | FNIA | NFL on NBC
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- The FNIA crew reveal their biggest head scratchers from the 2024 NFL Draft, highlighting Joe Alt to the Chargers, Trey Benson to the Cardinals and Brock Bowers to the Raiders. #NFL #FNIA #nbcsports
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Why Joe Alt to Chargers, Brock Bowers to Raiders are head scratching draft picks | FNIA | NFL on NBC
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Holy shit the nfl media mocked O line to the chargers for literal months, now it’s a head scratcher???
Is that before they let go of their best receivers?
@@rendellshelton2700no just last week.
@@rendellshelton2700literally after lol they’ve been mocking it for months
It’s only a head scratcher because we passed on Nabers. Great pick tho
Nah it’s only to make a small debate on the show, to create a drama
The chargers made great picks stop playing
They said they were taking o line for months, and now it’s a bad decision and a “head scratcher” to get the RT for the rest of Herbert’s career to go alone with slater at LT.
@@MrRandomPrankster because Alt and Slater plays the same side
@@yahcrack it’s crazy to think an all world 21 year old tackle can’t transition to RT, the easier side
Run, run, run till the running is done. ⚡⚡⚡
They just built one of the greatest OT duo. This can help Herbert for the long run more than any Wr and overall the team
Chargers play against maxx crosby , Christian Wilcons, Chris jones and Karlaftis 6 times a year how is ALT a head scratchers?? And name a single team besides the Eagles who can man for man cover Adams , Meyers, Mayer , Bowers and Tre Tucker??
Really good point!!!
And now Michael Gallup too raiders loadin up that offense
@@Will-xp1mf oh yes🤗
Crosby gunna destroy alt twice a year anyway
Raider fan here. I think the Chargers made the right pick for them.
Bowers to Raiders makes sense to me. He'a a stud who lined up in the slot 50% of the time in college. That's where he'll be in Las Vegas. He was the best player on a national championship team.
True but with no QB to throw him the ball it’s gonna be tough sledding. I guess they could always get a QB next draft. Pretty sure they will be drafting in the top 10 next year.
Couldn’t agree with you more and something that you forgot, the new offensive coordinator prefers a 2 tight end set . The Raiders got a top 5 playmaker - who plays H back , in-line tight end , running back in gadget plays , slot receiver and wide out. Check out his break down for plays in college he played everywhere , the value of getting a top 5 player with the 13th pick is great value. But as I say every year ; it is Ridiculous to rate a draft when no one has played a single game , you won’t know the value until 2 years later. 1 quick example; Chase Young was a once in a generation player who was traded for nothing after just a few years
too bad Bowers doesnt block and the raiders have no one to protect their QB AND they dont even have a real QB 😅
@@ll4680and they still embarrassed the chargers into firing their coach 😂😂
@@daviddaily3969 yeah cuz getting Harbaugh was a major step down, and Having him the division is going to make it way easier for the Raiders to make the playoffs, right?
I'm a Raiders fan Bowers was a great pick. Nothing wrong with the Chargers picking Alt. Bowers fell into our lap. BPA.
I’m a chargers fan and I’m with you. Bowers gives you options while developing AOC. You’re committing to developing him and I think he can definitely be that guy. Obviously, the smart decision is to bring a TE that can do it all and be a major piece of any scheme change. For the Chargers, we needed to shore up the right side of our line. Herbert has been playing injured for 2 seasons.
If you watched that Raiders offense, you wouldn't question them taking arguably the second best offensive prospect in the draft and the best TE prospect ever.
Lmao!
I agree. After hunter got hurt they haven’t had a solid target that can dominate the center of the field.
their problem is QB though
It is considering max Crosby nearly destroyed Michael Mayers confidence.
@@WillAnderson3rd Unless they traded up for Daniels or Maye, reaching on McCarthy, Nix, or Penix would've been a terrible move. At least Minshew or AOC will have a better line and more weapons to work with. If neither QB plays well, we go get our QB next year with better infrastructure in place.
When Tony had Payton Manning, he could only get 1 SB win against a Bears team with Rex Grossman at the helm.
How many super bowl’s did Herbert get to? How many playoff wins?
@@yahcrack lets re ask that in 3 years. Now Herbert can get started with a real coach. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY, not Mahomes, not Jackson or anyone else was winning a Super Bowl with Staley. FACT!
Facts! All those years with manning and only one super bowl , damn shame!
@@yahcrack how many superbowls did andy reid get before kansas city? Reid got his qb in KC now Harbaugh has his qb in LA. Just watch and see. Dont be surprised if they start winning games.
Dungy has always been a Chargers hater, saying Chargers picking Alt is a bigger “Head Scratcher” than ATL picking Penix Jr is just plain ridiculous 😏. Dungy was a mediocre coach at best.
Bro stays hating on the Bolts
Head scratching for picking Bowers??!! The best offensive weapon in this draft who is not a QB, a generational talent, and a YAC BEAST, and because the Raiders choose him, its a head scratcher lol The Raiders picking Bowers and Powers-Johnson gives them an A grade on this draft with these two picks alone.
Stop the cap bowers is not better than nabers or Harrison numbers don't lie
@@cheetahturner4576well when Nabors and Harrison start lining up in the slot, at H Back, and in line, then you can compare them and their numbers. Bowers is more versatile and can help an offense in many more ways than at the X or Y exclusively, which by the way, he also lined up at
Brock Bowers 40 games = 31 TD
Rome Odunze 40 games = 26 TD
Marvin Harrison Jr 38 games = 32 TD
Malik Nabors 38 games = 21 TD
I love Brock Bowers. He will be another great Raider TE.
i got respect for both of these dudes but not calling the Penix pick is wild to me
You know Dungy won’t call out the black man as a horrible pick, he’s just a Chargers hater. Dungy was a horrible coach!!
Alt to the chargers makes literally perfect fucking sense wtf 😂😂😂😂
Alt and Bowers were good picks.
I don’t get the Joe Alt hate at all. Dallas had the best O-line for a while and Zeke feasted. Philly gets a solid line and the Tush Push is unstoppable. If you look at QBR when QB’s have 3-4 seconds without pressure it jumps significantly.
Is it sexy, no, but a solid O-line is never a bad pick
Herbert has been injuried past few years with Right side always collapsing on him. How do you expect to succeed throwing the ball or running the ball if you have no good OLine.
Dumb take on Tony. For years of success he’s had you would think he would like them drafting in the trenches to solidify depth and a anchor to protect Herbert.
Alt and Slater plays the same side, that’s the problem
@@yahcrackyou missed the part of having him available in case Slater leaves or gets hurt. Plus I’m sure they had long talks with him about his ability to switch to the right side.
@@yahcrack Oh really?!?! Gosh dang it. If only it was possible to switch one of them to the right side 😒
What has Herbert done in this league?
@@DaReaIJesusright?!?!?!
Thats the reason Coach Dungy got only 1 SB with Manning
The chargers weren’t winning with Kennan, Williams and Eckler! Herbert needs protection
@microbe_rz31 well show me where Harbaugh has coached that he ended with a losing record or a losing record overall? Every place he's gone he's won and now he has full control of the chargers. its hard to bet a against a guy that has a 100% success rate in creating winning football teams.
BPA is now a head scratching move? Talking to just to talk…
Couldn’t disagree more about the Justin Herbert take. I am very surprised it’s coming from that X head coach. If he understood how Jim Harbaugh plays it’s a no-brainer decision. Senile?
No, he’s been away from the game, but it’s not senility. I think Jimbo. Is a national treasure. 😊
Could have gotten Nabers in the first then beef up the oline in round 2-3. Instead they wasted a 4th rounder to move up 3 spots for McConkey. You get rid of Kenan and Mike Williams to make McConkey the #1 option with no depth behind him? Herbert gonna have 5 seconds to throw, but, none of those scrubs are going to be open.
@@dh3824Allen and Williams couldn't even stay on the field
@@dh3824 name a better tackle/wr combo better than Alt/McConkey the first 2 rounds. The next best tackle was nowhere near as good as Alt is and McConkey would be a first round draft pick if this draft wasn't so deep with WR.
Dungy HATES the Chargers. We eliminated two of his best Manning era teams in the playoffs. He always rags on us.
And how often do 1st round WR’s bust and how often do 1st round OT’s? That’s why you don’t pass on the elite tackle at 5 in a draft full of WR talent
He took a mountain of a man . How are they going to throw the ball to Nabers if the line can’t hold the line. Respect but he’s wrong on this one .
How is Alt to the Chargers a head scratcher?
Title is a little misleading for Raiders - the host and non-football guy criticized the Bowers pick but Harrison and Dungy looked at him like a fool and proceeded to tell him why it was a smart pick. You can really tell Rodney had Bowers as a top player in the draft.
Bengals took Jamar chase and he’s awesome. But now Burrow is injured a lot because his o line stinks. I think Chase was the right pick. But they had to pick one or the other.
im glad tony dungy isnt our head coach
I’m going to tell everyone right now. Outside of Caleb Williams. Bowers will vastly outperform all the players picked before him. By the end of this coming season. People will realize how bad of a mistake they made in not picking him before the Raiders. He will make the Raiders QBs look like great players as he takes 5 yard dump offs and slants for 15 to 25 yards on a regular. And while scoring multiple touchdowns every other game. Raiders opponents in trouble. You put a LB on him he’s going deep. You put a DB on him he will run him over. GAME CHANGER!
Yea but when you look at the draft i only see one team that passed on him. The Falcons because they took a QB and had Cousins. Every other teams picks made sense.
What QB was available at 13? Anyone who really understands football knows the Raiders are gonna be a matchup nightmare with all the dynamic weapons they have
McConkey is an amazing player, a Keenan Allen replacement who also has some juice over the top. Alt and McConkey is way better than Malik Nabers and Patrick Paul. All day every day.
Facts
Amen Brother
McConkey isn't better then Nabers
@@LoThaTruth05 Debo isn't better than McConkey
@@kdawg9404 how u know bro he played a lick in the league yet
Bowers made more sense for the chargers . You get blocking but you also get a premier person who can catch the ball .
Hes hating on the bolts generational talent at 5. Herbert couldn't throw the ball as he has no time. Oline was a big need.
Now the biggest problem is Herbert not gonna have anyone to throw to. McConkey is not a #1.
The Raiders can now plug in any qb in that offense with the bowers pick is the way I see it
Jackson powers- Johnson pick at 44 makes the Brock Bowers pick look even Better. the chargers taking Alt pick is good too Crosby vs Alt 2 times a year.
If Marvin Harrison was available, the Chargers would've took him.
since he wasn't they went Alt than followed up beautifully with Ladd Mconkey.
QB was not available for Raiders…didn’t you watch the draft. Raiders take best available player and still get hate. BTW, Mayer was average player last year, and absent in most games, so why pass on special player like Bowers.
Great show 😊.
They never mentioned all the QBs the Raiders wanted were GONE! Actually the guy that THOUGHT Bowers was a head scratcher finally admitted it made sense. Here is the real head scratcher: ATLANTA paying Kirk Cousins then instead of getting him more weapons they draft a 24 yr old Penix to likely sit him for two years !
Not Atlanta? That is the number one head scratcher.
Raiders were 1 te deep and no slot he can fill both needs and is arguably the most talented player in the whole draft
Wait, so Raiders address tackle, guard, DT in free agency, linebacker, CB (twice), RB and safety in the draft but they have SOOOO many needs. lol Just be honest. You're saying that because they didn't address QB in the first round like you wanted them to. These idiots just want the Raiders to make a bonehead decision by taking Rattler in the 1st round. Stop the madness.
For that draft Ron Rivera said it at 2 he should have taken Justin Herbert. Gotta give the man time to throw .
I was mad when raiders passed on Fuaga for Bowers, I’ve warmed up to it. Him and Mayer are going to be complimentary players. Zero problems with Chargers taking Alt
Do the math:
Brock Bowers 40 games = 31 TD
Rome Odunze 40 games = 26 TD
Marvin Harrison Jr 38 games = 32 TD
Malik Nabors 38 games = 21 TD
My only minor concern with drafting joe alt is I hope he can smoothly make that transition to the right side. It may not seem hard from the outside pov but having to readjust your footwork is a lot to adjust to.
There is a reason Dungey isnt coaching anymore...
Chargers going heavy run game. Alt makes perfect sense.
Sewell over Chase ALLDAY and TWICE on Sunday 💯
Both GREAT picks
Biggest need the Raiders had was more weapons and boy did they get one
First coach says “I know Joe will be an all pro, but… “then he goes on to say: “you don’t pass on special.”
By that logic, who do you honestly think is more ‘special’?, Joe Alt or Malik Nabers?
Lmao I thought the same thing. Dungy is just a hater!
3 most important positions in football: QB, LT, DE. All three of those trump WR by a long shot (speaking on the Chase scenario)
Coach is crazy. The best teams control the line of scrimmage, period.
I saw an article maybe five years ago that talked about Super Bowl winners. Anyways at least at that point teams that won the Super Bowl tended to spend more than other teams on their O-line. But supposedly Alt is really good so it can’t be a horrible pick and protecting Herbert isn’t a bad idea.
Dungy trying to compare us to the giants and jets knowing both those teams are losing QBs left and right due to a bad o line is hilarious
Dungy hasn't been paying attention to the monster pass rushers in the AFC or how many times Herbo has been hit, hard.
Ah, the main reason the Chargers were 23rd in throwing the ball down the field was because...wait for it....Herbert had no time to pass and his receivers had no time to get down field. Also, the Chargers were virtually last in rushing. The real head scratcher is that this guy was a head coach in the NFL.
Maybe that’s why the Colts only won a single SB with Manning. So many weapons but you weren’t building the substance that’s also needed………..
The thing is he had a great line at the time. I like how the player made coach look like an idiot.
Yea there can be play makers but doesn’t matter if Herbert’s hurt or on his back
Bowers is not a head scratching pick. You can’t pass up a generational talent at tight end like bowers and who the hell the raiders going to take at 13? Bowers is going to open up the offense so much and make Adams job easier he won’t be double teamed as much. Bowers can line up on the line, inside, in the slot and outside mayer can only line up on the line or inside. Then having a two tight end set will open up the passing attack and rushing attack for the raiders.
Who is the Quarterback?
@@user-ql7lj5oz5y Who was gonna be anyway? By 13 all the top QBs were gone. And it's not like all 6 QBs taken in the top 12 are guaranteed to be good. They took the best player available at 13, by a mile. Bowers was closer to a top 5 pick in normal drafts where there's 1-2 elite QBs.
That’s funny he brings up Peyton manning cause maybe if him and Jim Irsay had decided to give him O-line that would make sure he doesn’t get touched and put on the ground often instead of being satisfied with only Jeff Saturday then maybe manning would have sustained that devastating neck injury that put a permanent timetable on how long he would be able to continue playing in the NFL. Which is why him colts parted ways and he went to the broncos who had a way better offensive line situation that protected him unlike the one he left and it’s no coincidence that his replacement had even shorter career not just with the team but in the NFL because they surrounded him with tons of weapons but zero protection and he ended getting the same injury that manning got way earlier into his career and he retired entering his prime because that injury guaranteed that later in his life he’s going to have to deal so much pain which no young man at his age should have to worry about not mention for him to make that choice means the colts killed his love for the game. So it’s not really head scratcher as to why the chargers went drafted the best offensive lineman in the draft to protect their best player because they know it doesn’t matter how many great weapons they give Justin Herbert cause it won’t matter if herbert is constantly being pressured and sacked and can’t throw the ball to his weapons. Just like manning if you give Justin all the time in the world it don’t matter if he’s throwing to a first round talent at WR or a WR from the second round or WR from the 5th or 6th round Herbert’s gonna get the ball to them and have them all look like they are 1st round WR’s. Which he proved in his rookie season when he was making plays with jaylen guyton and Donald parham Jr and guyton who both I believe were undrafted if I’m not mistaken and only was getting reps on practice squad and since Anthony Lynn refused to let Justin start and said tyrod taylor would be the starter no matter what in 2020 so Justin mainly only got reps with the practice squad during training camp and only few times did he get reps with starters and by regular season only got reps with the practice squad and his best weapons he made tons plays with were jaylen guyton and Donald parham. When herbert started week 2 against the chiefs at the last second he made plays with Allen and the starters and with guyton and parham who were also put on the active squad for that game and for that game and the rest of the season he plays with them that made you believe those guys must of been drafted as second or third round picks. So bottom line herbert can plays with any player given enough time in the pocket and as former head coach he should already know that and to say some stupid shit makes me scratch my head as to how he ever won Super Bowl as head coach in this league.
Not building oline caused Andrew Luck to retire way earlier than he should have.
This is why Dungy only won one SB with a HOF QB
yes, as a fan, I was upset when they made the selection. But, it makes total sense. 1. protect Herbert we've seen Herbert hit a lot, even immediately after throwing a pass. 2. run the ball. chargers have NOT been able to run the ball for several years. they've tried, and failed. so, a good tackle helps both parts of the offense. a W R only one part. also, this draft was deep in W R talent. so, choice was, get a good tackle and a good receiver, or a great receiver and a mediocre tackle.
Herbert was injured last 2 years due to direct breakdowns on the right side of the OL in 2022 and 2023 (fractured rib cartilage hampering him most of 2022), he has no time to throw, and team couldn’t run the ball to take any pressure off of Herbert. 2nd and long and 3rd and long every single drive
Well with that said coach about drafting
Special players in the 1st round, did the Falcons do the right thing Coach Dungy?
Chargers Picked Who They Wanted, Alt Is A Great Pickup Period, Bolt UP
The problem is the narrative for the chargers has become solely about letting recievers go. We have bigger holes on the team. O-Line is Slater and a bunch of mid guys. Corey Linsley isn't coming back and Slater gets hurt more then you'd like. Taking a tackle that everyone agrees is a sure fire guy.....I'm so glad we didn't take nabers.
Whenever I hear about the Raiders 1st pick everybody says "why" then they think about it, do a quick work in their head and then say "ok solid pick" in under 1 or 2 mins😅😅😅
As Harbaugh said, offensive linemen are weapons, the tip of the sear. Plus, highly drafted offensive linemen are much more likely to be hits compared to WR ‘s where they are much more hit or miss. Come on coach, really?
If you think throwing the football over 40 times a game and coming from behind every game and putting it on the QB shoulders to do so is good coaching then there is a reason you are not coaching anymore. Harbaugh is way smarter than you think and you will see. Go Chargers!!
I agree 💯
If you think Bowers is a head scratcher then you DO not understand 11 and 12 personnel.
The charger pic I agree on. They should have traded down! They needed more more picks! And they already have an All Pro at LT and he’s young. Alt is not taking RT money when he’s ready to sign a new contract. But I’m not for paying wr’s. 100 million either.
Come on Coach Dungy!
Herbert needs time to throw the ball ..Enough said!!
Bowers and Alt are far from head scratchers. They both will make an impact on their respective offenses Day one
If Burrow had a great O line maybe he wouldn’t be injured as much, maybe he wins the SB. Maybe coach has multiple SB’s…starts in the trenches
Man yall didn’t do your homework with this one
not picking O-Line is what prematurely ended Andrew Luck's career, and will likely do the same for Joe Burrow
And you know who trained under Bill? Tom Telesco
⚡️Great 2 see HOTROD/HITMAN Harrison⚡️
Every qb named in this video has been injured multiple times over the past few years for anyone to say they prefer a weapon over protection for any of these QBs is talking crazy
Herbert was the most pressured QB in in football last year. He played with broken ribs in 2022 and 2 broken fingers in 2023. Alt was the absolute smart pick. Protect the franchise QB...
Imagine if manning had a more balanced attack. Maybe colts would have gotten more rings.
I mean, we already saw Tom Brady and Randy Moss lose in the Super Bowl to the Giants because the Patriot’s OL couldn’t handle Justin Tuck and Giant’s DL.😂😂😂
In JH, JH, and JH we trust. Bolt up! Welcome to LA Joe Alt!
They're not head scratching picks. How are taking the best players at their position, questionable. What were they supposed to do? Take a lesser player at a POSTION OF NEED? Draft ain't the only way to acquire players.
Alt isnt just highly rated, he’s potentially a generational talent. Rarely does a 3rd round OT become generational. However 3rd round receivers often become elite.
And yes Jamar Chase is great but ask Joe Burrows knee and shoulder how much they like not having Sewell level protection 🤔🫣
There was a reason why Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck didn't last as long as they should of with the Colts because they had no O-line whatever Tony Gundy is saying about how the Chargers should've drafted some star receiver should really be reflected upon himself about how his own Quarterbacks were derailed with injuries
lol yea let’s draft a receiver so Herbert can throw the ball from his back
Harbaugh has proven track record. You aren’t talking about a yeah running game for YEARS. We are going to open a new aspect to open the pass. Plus we got more pass protection for the elite pass rush in the nfl
How do these guys have a platform
Alt to chargers is genius...this why coach dungy's offense always sucked and I'm a raider fan
These guys bitching about the the chargers pics when they are one of the top four drafts in the NFL graded a+
What QB did you want the Raiders to pick? Birds!
R A I D E R S‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dungy was carried by Manning. His argument was giving weapons and how he did that for Peyton, what about protecting your qb? We all saw what happened to Andrew Luck, protection comes first
Chargers did that for many years and wasted Rivers career. It's not a wrong at all. That doesn't mean I was bummed lol.
How many super bowls did he win again with manning lol
That’s how Joe burrow and Justin Herbert keep getting injured cuz they have no protection so why would you take a offensive weapon over protection when that QB can’t use them anyways when they get injured so the Chargers made a great pick
Oh yeah they picked chase but how many times has burrow been hurt with no protection.
Drafting playmakers early is such a rookie mistake, low IQ move. Its emotional. The reality is you can find WR's and RB's late in the draft. Look at the packers, they dont drafter weapons in the first round for a reason. Charges made a good choice, tony is not an NFL GM for a reason.