I don't have as much of an issue with the helicopters as many of my neighbors, but I will say that there is a stark and unconscionable difference between what is allowed for the tourists in the helicopters, and what is allowed for the residents on the ground. Residents on the ground in Leilani aren't free to walk, bike, or drive around our neighborhood without fear of being ticketed. Residents also can receive tickets for taking pictures of the volcano and the lava river. Yet non-residents can freely fly above our neighborhood and take pictures unfettered. How can this difference be reconciled from a legal, moral, fundamental fairness, or public policy standpoint?
Justin Barnes there's a youtuber who lives in leilani and does daily updates. Today he stood right on the banks of the lava river and uploaded it. How is he not getting tickets, but others are?
Anyone who KNOWS Puna can go see the lava anytime they want. They don't drive to it they hike to it. But yea mostly haoles in Zone 1, why? Maybe someone know mo betta? I wouldn't move into a neighborhood with steaming vents in them. Google the Steam Vent Inn on 130, this isn't a knew thing. Only for those who moved there for CHEAP land. ua-cam.com/video/_1XZuCbx4TA/v-deo.html
Justin Barnes There’s a case going to court soon which challenges Paradise Tour Helicopters right to violate someone’s airspace. You own the land, the land below and the airspace above your property. Long Island NY got the bastids to fly water routes (not over ppls houses), that’s goal on Hawai’i island, the tours should fly a water route. Paradise Helicopters is singled out bc they’re not water safety compliant, Blue Hawaii (helicopter tours) is. Blue Hawaii can fly a water route, but won’t if Paradise doe$ not. Water routes are more expensive (fuel).
So amusing to watch all the Talmadge Magno worship that goes on in these comments yet when you hear from the people actually experiencing this eruption it seems they have a different opinion of how he has responded to the issues they are experiencing.
The absolute arrogance of this Civil Defence representative astounds me. The arrogant dismissive attitude toward the civilians rights is shocking. Something really stinks here....but I wonder if he, his Department, his Mayor understand that it is now stinking on the world stage. Outrageous behaviour. Sad....I feel sorry for the residents that are stuck in this mess. I don't care what race they are. They are tax paying home owners who deserve better than this convoluted, double talking, dismissive, official.
If the situation changed wouldn't the sirens sound and everyone would know? Why can't there be "residents and helpers only" zone? That could be a pass that could be renewed monthly. This would work well for delivery trucks, construction crews, utility workers, home health care, and family members. I agree with the third speaker. There needs to be a clearly marked "NO ZONE" around fissure 8 for LAND AND AIR. What's good for one is good for all. No Hawaii resident in any subdivision should have tourists running thru it. They drive too fast and carelessly for pets being walked or children playing AND they blatantly don't follow the most basic requests like not blocking driveways with their cars and littering. Leilani Subdivision is not a freak show. It's a community trying to heal and rebuild and regain SOME of it's former serenity and dignity.
Looting happens when coverage by policymakers at night. These looters go on their sprees when they won't be caught. 24 hour coverage is necessary and should be constant, door to door!
BECAUSE HAWAIIANS CANT AFFORD TO LIVE THERE LIKE THE TRANSPLANTS !! Thank You FOR NOTICING NO HAWAIIANS AROUND BECAUSE WE GOT SHOVED - PUSHED-AND DEPLETED FROM OUR OWN LANDS !!!! MAHALO FOR RECOGNIZING WE HAWAIIANS 🙏🏽
waves surf I Was So Sad Sad Sad that My Kanaka Were Not There all That Live In The Area. I Live In Kona. They aren’t Even aware We Exist Sometimes. I am Moving To Volcano We Have Been Building Since 2014 there. I will Go Back n Forth To Kona as Needed. Yes You Are Correct I was Listening To Our STORY Being REPEATED. 😥
Why would a Kanaka listen to pure fking bullshiting and excuses that the fakeass state government system make up since governments are flawed Helloooooo
That last guy from NDLR was a nazi, now I understand what these residents have to deal with when they are talking about the attitudes of people from government agencies towards them.
If it's Civil Defense's job to make sure everyone is safe then they damn sure should be in charge of making sure the WATER IS SAFE TO DRINK. Water is the most basic form of life's necessity. Food, shelter, clothing, in that order. I'm not even from or living in Hawaii and I could strangle that little Napoleon as wipe control freak. If his house had been covered by lava or burned to the ground I'm sure he would have a different approach. I'm so glad the People Of Lalaine wrote the letter and hope they sue the gov't and win. #TeamLalaine
Policies can and should be changed based on the will of the people. That being said, these policies are in place because of the litigious, nanny state society we live in. The bottom line is the government is afraid of getting sued and the inevitable public outcry if someone were to get hurt.
No emergency tower yet ffs oh nd only common law can be forced. Statutory law/councils administration laws needs consent to be forced. Nd yes to hawaiians to come first ❤
Hawaiian first? So all those other people in the room who are suffering due to this eruption are insignificant because of the color of their skin? He's a racist moron, a white man who's ashamed of his own culture and will sell out his own people to try and be accepted by the natives, pathetic. As for saying there are people other than the government who can build roads, the guy just confirms he's a fool, you need specialized skills to build roads, what's going to happen if mistakes are made and somebody is hurt or even killed, is he okay with them suing his stupid ass for damages?
If the Hawaiians were interested they would be at the meetings. Brian made a fool of himself twice. Even the Hawaiians didn't clap for his foolish behaviour.
Some of these sweet people have no personal Advocates. That is a Social Worker, Senior Citizen Organizations,other,one on one contacts. unite & help one another so that everyone feels supported,not alone.
So much love. So much wisdom. So little coupling. A documentary in the making is not much, but, contemporary. The coupling is real. The geology is open ended, except it proves negligence, ignorant of responsibility from civil forces exercising a no smoking policy. Vega$ for Venu$ I am pretty sure the 1st responders commenter did not hear one word out of Heide's mouth. I mean, wtf?
Love the guy asking Talmadge You-won't Have Fun-around-Here, what was the safe distance around fissure 8 to start building there! Poor folk lost for any answer from Iceberg Talmadge. Folks, Civil Defense has no money and this is why they need tourist money to fly over your heads.
Your roof catches the pollutants in the air, the rain washes it into your catchment tank via your rain gutters. It's been true for 50 years. If you choose to live with a catchment tank, you accept this. Like the speaker said, the UH has resources to help you understand the health hazards.
1) The “letter” = Condemnation and Insurance Proceeds Sample Clauses Must read --> www.lawinsider.com/clause/condemnation-and-insurance-proceeds I really really like Roy - if there is question of administrative trust - trust Roy but don’t throw the letter away assessment regarding taxes in the Leilani Estates is null with 0 dollar value - this by nature of circumstance extorts the property owners ability to exercise “fair” equity in any and all financial capacities , except with FEMA , state or county - I have seen flourishing fruits growing and no evidence to support condemnation- . Consideration of reference: if worse case senerio exsisted fema cap apox 30,000 hence property should have base assesment as it stands currently 1) safety : direct and indirect - Direct - I agree with civil as to all protocols currently in place Indirect - air / water and human heath SO2 and acid rain has been dialog consistently - however only in vague reference in volcanic hazards published by usgs in 2017 and republished in 2018 is there mention of heavy metal exposure risk To date no public mention has been made to risks to the general public regarding heavy metal aerosols in the vog Public scientific references pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70021543 pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70016691 pubs.usgs.gov/pp/1987/1350/pdf/chapters/pp1350_ch35.pdf Mayor has arranged free soil and water testing - residents need to participate in this records.hawaiicounty.gov/Weblink/1/doc/95369/Page1.aspx Mercury is released by most volcanoes and has been measured at Kilauea, Mauna Loa, Hekla, Erebus, at Mount St. Helens (Siegel and Siegel, 1987). Kilauea produces about 270 tons of mercury each year and has been identified as the source for mercury on Oahu, 320 km away. volcano.oregonstate.edu/book/export/html/151 Resident need to make there stand now regarding condemnation- and there heath and if they have been impacted by fallout This requires going to Hilo and getting a blood test that is for metals If you have metal toxicity then there is an argument to be made on behalf of public not being made aware of all fallout hazards Special sessions is about to ask for 550 million Residents need to have there future also included in this money
All those stupid questions from people thinking they can go back. Thinking they can escape the lava when a new flow occurs, surrounding their property and closing in on them. In case a sudden disaster happens, you will be more then happy to hear the sound of a hovering helicopter above you for a rescue.
Chris Tee you don't know what you're going on about. Even when the people are allowed back to their homes they are forced to stat in their homes. They cannot walk their dog, visit a neighbor, mow their lawn, nothing.
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Thank you Andy Andrews! Amazing job! I love to see the people finished asking and turning to telling the government what's up
I don't have as much of an issue with the helicopters as many of my neighbors, but I will say that there is a stark and unconscionable difference between what is allowed for the tourists in the helicopters, and what is allowed for the residents on the ground. Residents on the ground in Leilani aren't free to walk, bike, or drive around our neighborhood without fear of being ticketed. Residents also can receive tickets for taking pictures of the volcano and the lava river. Yet non-residents can freely fly above our neighborhood and take pictures unfettered. How can this difference be reconciled from a legal, moral, fundamental fairness, or public policy standpoint?
Justin Barnes there's a youtuber who lives in leilani and does daily updates. Today he stood right on the banks of the lava river and uploaded it. How is he not getting tickets, but others are?
Justin Barnes/The “difference” is that the sky is “open for business” & the land is a smoldering fire pit.So sad,I’m sorry this is happening.
Anyone who KNOWS Puna can go see the lava anytime they want. They don't drive to it they hike to it. But yea mostly haoles in Zone 1, why? Maybe someone know mo betta? I wouldn't move into a neighborhood with steaming vents in them. Google the Steam Vent Inn on 130, this isn't a knew thing.
Only for those who moved there for CHEAP land.
ua-cam.com/video/_1XZuCbx4TA/v-deo.html
Justin Barnes There’s a case going to court soon which challenges Paradise Tour Helicopters right to violate someone’s airspace.
You own the land, the land below and the airspace above your property. Long Island NY got the bastids to fly water routes (not over ppls houses), that’s goal on Hawai’i island, the tours should fly a water route.
Paradise Helicopters is singled out bc they’re not water safety compliant, Blue Hawaii (helicopter tours) is. Blue Hawaii can fly a water route, but won’t if Paradise doe$ not. Water routes are more expensive (fuel).
Justin Barnes I've been asking the same for some time now.
So amusing to watch all the Talmadge Magno worship that goes on in these comments yet when you hear from the people actually experiencing this eruption it seems they have a different opinion of how he has responded to the issues they are experiencing.
The absolute arrogance of this Civil Defence representative astounds me. The arrogant dismissive attitude toward the civilians rights is shocking. Something really stinks here....but I wonder if he, his Department, his Mayor understand that it is now stinking on the world stage.
Outrageous behaviour. Sad....I feel sorry for the residents that are stuck in this mess. I don't care what race they are. They are tax paying home owners who deserve better than this convoluted, double talking, dismissive, official.
That woman is just plain annoying. I expected her to say " tie your shoes and don't run with a fork in your hand".
So many questions with no answers.
so many questions left unanswered prayers for all the people of Hawaii, not just the raisest ones.
If the situation changed wouldn't the sirens sound and everyone would know? Why can't there be "residents and helpers only" zone? That could be a pass that could be renewed monthly. This would work well for delivery trucks, construction crews, utility workers, home health care, and family members.
I agree with the third speaker. There needs to be a clearly marked "NO ZONE" around fissure 8 for LAND AND AIR. What's good for one is good for all.
No Hawaii resident in any subdivision should have tourists running thru it. They drive too fast and carelessly for pets being walked or children playing AND they blatantly don't follow the most basic requests like not blocking driveways with their cars and littering.
Leilani Subdivision is not a freak show. It's a community trying to heal and rebuild and regain SOME of it's former serenity and dignity.
Looting happens when coverage by policymakers at night. These looters go on their sprees when they won't be caught. 24 hour coverage is necessary and should be constant, door to door!
Civil Defense and their posse are too busy writing citations to stop looters.
"For your safety" ...
It’s all bullshiting
Ok, who brought the barbie karaoke mic?
This is pathetic,provide a better microphone FFS!
waves surf True. If anything...all they had to do is simply turn the volume up and or the gain.
Turn off the mic for those who are rambling about nothing!
Start with Brian the racist.
18:40 ish appreciate your comments. it is good to get an inside view.
You are lucky safety is important. In 2015 protectors on the mountain were getting arrested, where was this when they was being arrested?
BECAUSE HAWAIIANS CANT AFFORD TO LIVE THERE LIKE THE TRANSPLANTS !!
Thank You FOR NOTICING NO HAWAIIANS AROUND BECAUSE WE GOT SHOVED - PUSHED-AND DEPLETED FROM OUR OWN LANDS !!!!
MAHALO FOR RECOGNIZING WE HAWAIIANS 🙏🏽
waves surf
I Was So Sad Sad Sad that My Kanaka Were Not There all That Live In The Area. I Live In Kona. They aren’t Even aware We Exist Sometimes. I am Moving To Volcano We Have Been Building Since 2014 there. I will Go Back n Forth To Kona as Needed.
Yes You Are Correct I was Listening To Our STORY Being REPEATED. 😥
Why would a Kanaka listen to pure fking bullshiting and excuses that the fakeass state government system make up since governments are flawed Helloooooo
What a bunch of condescending BS.
That last guy from NDLR was a nazi, now I understand what these residents have to deal with when they are talking about the attitudes of people from government agencies towards them.
Ducks where so loud flying over my house that we decided to go duck hunting!
Thank you Brian
Lino's upset? Poor baby. Doesn't he live in Captain Cook? Try being in our shoes. He acts like this is our fault!
Why cant we see the interrogator?
If it's Civil Defense's job to make sure everyone is safe then they damn sure should be in charge of making sure the WATER IS SAFE TO DRINK. Water is the most basic form of life's necessity. Food, shelter, clothing, in that order. I'm not even from or living in Hawaii and I could strangle that little Napoleon as wipe control freak. If his house had been covered by lava or burned to the ground I'm sure he would have a different approach. I'm so glad the People Of Lalaine wrote the letter and hope they sue the gov't and win. #TeamLalaine
Leave everything in the governments hands.....Look how satisfied they are works great!
TH
Whats your name so we can repeat it? Simple question
I think I had about enough, one more time she says get closer to the Mic I’m gonna lose my fucking mind.
Tom from Leilani...I heard you the first time!
Pele has eminent domain
Jennifer S In that case it is everybody off the big island to be a no mans land.
Policies can and should be changed based on the will of the people. That being said, these policies are in place because of the litigious, nanny state society we live in. The bottom line is the government is afraid of getting sued and the inevitable public outcry if someone were to get hurt.
I hear tons of questions, but do any of them get answered? This looks like the Delphi technique at play. Shameful the way these residents are treated.
Sorry for typos, upset!
No emergency tower yet ffs oh nd only common law can be forced. Statutory law/councils administration laws needs consent to be forced. Nd yes to hawaiians to come first ❤
Brian I love you. Finally someone who gets it.
yea, identity politics... everybody is a citizen ...stupid to point out who is "haoli". ... everybody equal.
Hawaiian first? So all those other people in the room who are suffering due to this eruption are insignificant because of the color of their skin? He's a racist moron, a white man who's ashamed of his own culture and will sell out his own people to try and be accepted by the natives, pathetic. As for saying there are people other than the government who can build roads, the guy just confirms he's a fool, you need specialized skills to build roads, what's going to happen if mistakes are made and somebody is hurt or even killed, is he okay with them suing his stupid ass for damages?
If the Hawaiians were interested they would be at the meetings. Brian made a fool of himself twice. Even the Hawaiians didn't clap for his foolish behaviour.
Sue they know better. It’s not over.
What a mess 😐.
BRS RC it's sad really. Finding it hard to watch how they continuously choose treat these people.
Questioner: Where you come from?
Repeat
The government is here to help...lol. Run...go do it yourself where is your pride. Neighbors helping each other.
Terry Moore exactly.
The government won't let them do it themselves that's part of the problem, too much over-reach.
Some of these sweet people have no personal Advocates. That is a Social Worker, Senior Citizen Organizations,other,one on one contacts. unite & help one another so that everyone feels supported,not alone.
build a wall please
I hear a lot of people rambling on about personal opinions and personal problems!
No more loud ducks!
#Brianrocks
So much love. So much wisdom. So little coupling. A documentary in the making is not much, but, contemporary. The coupling is real.
The geology is open ended, except it proves negligence, ignorant of responsibility from civil forces exercising a no smoking policy. Vega$ for Venu$
I am pretty sure the 1st responders commenter did not hear one word out of Heide's mouth. I mean, wtf?
This goose is cooked! No more collapse at the summit says it all. I believe that the collapse at the summit has hit rock bottom.
Love the guy asking Talmadge You-won't Have Fun-around-Here, what was the safe distance around fissure 8 to start building there! Poor folk lost for any answer from Iceberg Talmadge. Folks, Civil Defense has no money and this is why they need tourist money to fly over your heads.
Interragator: you should answer now... not just Thank you Kathy #shame
Your roof catches the pollutants in the air, the rain washes it into your catchment tank via your rain gutters. It's been true for 50 years. If you choose to live with a catchment tank, you accept this. Like the speaker said, the UH has resources to help you understand the health hazards.
According to Civil Defense it's their job to keep the people safe. Safe = hazards. Hazards = air and water. It's CD's job. And they fail again.
1) The “letter” = Condemnation and Insurance Proceeds Sample Clauses
Must read --> www.lawinsider.com/clause/condemnation-and-insurance-proceeds
I really really like Roy - if there is question of administrative trust - trust Roy
but don’t throw the letter away
assessment regarding taxes in the Leilani Estates is null with 0 dollar value - this by nature of circumstance extorts the property owners ability to exercise “fair” equity in any and all financial capacities , except with FEMA , state or county - I have seen flourishing fruits growing and no evidence to support condemnation- .
Consideration of reference: if worse case senerio exsisted fema cap apox 30,000 hence property should have base assesment as it stands currently
1) safety : direct and indirect -
Direct -
I agree with civil as to all protocols currently in place
Indirect - air / water and human heath
SO2 and acid rain has been dialog consistently - however only in vague reference in volcanic hazards published by usgs in 2017 and republished in 2018 is there mention of heavy metal exposure risk
To date no public mention has been made to risks to the general public regarding heavy metal aerosols in the vog
Public scientific references
pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70021543
pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70016691
pubs.usgs.gov/pp/1987/1350/pdf/chapters/pp1350_ch35.pdf
Mayor has arranged free soil and water testing - residents need to participate in this
records.hawaiicounty.gov/Weblink/1/doc/95369/Page1.aspx
Mercury is released by most volcanoes and has been measured at Kilauea, Mauna Loa, Hekla, Erebus, at Mount St. Helens (Siegel and Siegel, 1987). Kilauea produces about 270 tons of mercury each year and has been identified as the source for mercury on Oahu, 320 km away.
volcano.oregonstate.edu/book/export/html/151
Resident need to make there stand now regarding condemnation- and there heath and if they have been impacted by fallout
This requires going to Hilo and getting a blood test that is for metals
If you have metal toxicity then there is an argument to be made on behalf of public not being made aware of all fallout hazards
Special sessions is about to ask for 550 million
Residents need to have there future also included in this money
Hawaii better than this or at least I thought
Low voter turnout...no wonder!
Embarrassing. Hawaii I always thought was a leader state in the USA #whathappened
All those stupid questions from people thinking they can go back. Thinking they can escape the lava when a new flow occurs, surrounding their property and closing in on them.
In case a sudden disaster happens, you will be more then happy to hear the sound of a hovering helicopter above you for a rescue.
Chris Tee you don't know what you're going on about. Even when the people are allowed back to their homes they are forced to stat in their homes. They cannot walk their dog, visit a neighbor, mow their lawn, nothing.