Saxophone Repair Topic: How To Put Shellac On Pads
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 гру 2015
- Saxophone repairman Matt Stohrer of www.StohrerMusic.com just can't stop with all the talking in this newest one-take long-cut artisinal video handmade with local ingredients, wherein he talks about THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF INSTALLING A SAXOPHONE PAD, which is the application of the adhesive. Do this wrong, and your padwork will be difficult to do and probably have mediocre results. Do this right, and you too can be living the lavish lifestyle of a saxophone repairman!
This video is part of an article on saxophone pad installation which you can read here: www.stohrermusic.com/2015/12/...
As always, there is more than one way to do this right- almost as many ways to do it right as there are to do it wrong, in fact, so this may or may not work for you and you might do it differently and get results that are just fine. This is just how I do it as of the time that I made this video.
How to make shellac sticks: • Saxophone Repair Topic...
If you like my content and would like to see more, you can support me on Patreon or by "buying me a coffee"!
Patreon: / mattstohrer
Buy Me a Coffee: www.buymeacoffee.com/mattstohrer
Had to come here today to link someone to this and I want to note that I still do it basically the same way, except nowadays:
- I am using a butane torch to melt the shellac because its faster and I have learned to do it more neatly.
- I often put a few drops in the center at the end after flattening it on the anvil to give the shellac a little bit of doming to better fit the inside of the key cup
- I install the pad in the key cup with the shellac still warm but flattened, and then heat the pad cup to level and seat the pad. I hold it under a little bit of pressure against the tonehole or pad slick (depending on the occasion) and when I see it start to move a bit that tells me it is warm enough to flow.
Thanks for a very helpful video Matt. My 9 old saw your torch at the end and said " whoah, that is so awesome, I want one for my birthday".
go for it! my kids (6 and 8) learned to make shellac sticks this year.
This is the single most valuable video I've watched in the process of trying to learn how to do all this. Nobody else talks about this. They just say "Shellac the pad to the cup with some heat" and that's all. I have a horn I need to tear back down and start from scratch on. Holy crap. Thank you so much. 🙏🙏🙏
My uncle in his seventy's who's been playing since his teens has redone his tenor pads entirely with Blutac. He started using it as a repair trick for whenever he'd lose a pad at a gig then decided to do the whole sax just to see how well it went. He's been playing it for years now without any issues at all.
This could be a breakthrough. Can you give us an update on how it's holding up?
I love how you work .
You are picky and that right there tells me you are a perfectionist someone I could trust with my instruments
Good stuff! This pretty much answers my question about the alcohol lamp. For my hobby purposes, I'll go this route rather than the torch. Got the block and the pin vise already!
Tremendously helpful Matt, much thanks! Keep them coming. Another helpful video for me would be one on your method of adjusting the timing of keys working together, I get the concept but could benefit from seeing it in practice. You have really inspired me and I'm having some good success with overhauls!
Thank you for another 'keys to the kingdom' instruction. Best wishes!
Very interesting ... And you have a very fun way to teach. But would love to see the rest of the process of mounting them .. Johnny (Danmark)
Hello Matt thank you for your video it's really helpful! I have one questions about, how remove the acid from surface of the old Horns? Thank you!
Thank you!!
Matt do you have a video on how to replace the felts? I have a felt on my left hand keys that is sticking to the key beneath it so the glue has somehow leaked through the felt and is causing the felt from the top key to stick to the key underneath it. That might not be the only problem with it but it's a big part of the problem and I can't seem to find anyone with a decent video on replacing felts. Your videos are the best and most detailed I've seen. Thanks!
Hi Matt, you will inevitably create a bubble unless you put the shellac in a shape of dome too just like the space inside the padcup!!,, What is your take on this??
thank you for posting this and all of your very helpful videos!
Thanks!
Thank you for these wonderful videos.
I have a few questions:
What do you think about using regular hot glue when installing a saxophone pad?
Is there a reason why one should not use it?
I live in a cold region and I'm afraid that extreme temperatures and especially rapid changes in temperature could cause shellac to fail.
Have you ever tested this?
ua-cam.com/video/cqPTYp3gkws/v-deo.html
I've used hot glue for the past 20 years very forgiving for pad replacement l have no complaints or any issues in general woodwind.Shalac can be unforgiving and way more expensive. Cheers Mobile Woodwind Service Melb AU's.
Mobile l have carried out work on site and helped people who could not get around.You do good work Man.
I prefer glue pellets. kraus specifically. tackier and more substantial. I feel like hot glue is just a sticky mess
What brand pads do you use for your repairs? And How do you know what pads are the right ones for one horns over another?
Nice cookies!
how can I fix the altisimo G key on my sax ?? please
Does anyone know what burnt or discolored laquer looks like? im working on a old astro with a fair amount of spots and scratches and im looking to make sure i dont burn or discolor the laquer. but how can I if I dont know what it looks like! I see a wrinkled spot and a slightly discolored spot on the back of the pad cup. Is this laquer burning or discoloring? Should I worry about this?
Hi Matt, here is some help paying your overhead, and thanks for your phone time today, I will be contacting you soon for more advice.
James
That is incredibly generous of you, James. Thank you very much!
Requires a bit of finesse and patience Matt!! I usually pulverize the shellac (melting is much faster this way), drop in an "appropriate amount" in the the cup, heat the cup/shellac and float the pad in. Pretty simple and easy to do even for the DIYer.
Thanks Matt! Is a stick of that size typically enough to do a whole repad? Doing my first full repad on an alto with one stick of music medic shellac (repair starter kit) and wondering if I'll need to order more 😅
yes, almost definitely.
Peace be upon you. I am a follower of your channel. What is the name of this material used in a saxophone cushion? I want you to answer. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Leather, felt disc, cardstock/paper backing
Good
Hey Matt. I've seen methods where people apply the shellac to the pad cup, and then slide the pad into the pad cup. would this method still be viable? or is it a case of whatever your comfortable with doing?
+Mauricio Viana From the description of this video: "As always, there is more than one way to do this right- almost as many ways to do it right as there are to do it wrong, in fact, so this may or may not work for you and you might do it differently and get results that are just fine. This is just how I do it as of the time that I made this video."
+Matt Stohrer thank you for the response and thank for these awesome videos!
wow. just 100 % pure shellac used as glue? mindblow
Do you have a video where you put the shellaced pad into the shellaced key cup? I can't find it. Thanks
Don't think so, it's exactly as you'd imagine it. I do have a long article about pad installation and seating which these videos were created to support. ossp.stohrermusic.com/how-to-install-and-seat-saxophone-pads/
Do you use L Pisoni pads?! What is the model? Where do you buy (online)?
Thankkkkks
In another video he says he gets these Pisoni pads (model B58) from Feree's Tools in Battle Creek, Michigan
Which is the glue
How can I buy a shellac?
Do you apply shellac to both the pads and cups?
In certain situations: ua-cam.com/video/RA0KmB7Xf-w/v-deo.html
matt, do you think hot glue is easier and better to use for adhering pads on a saxophone
I use shellac, but high quality hot glue has a place. It is important to note that the hot glue that you would get at a hobby store is not high enough quality for this purpose, and will give substandard results. I have another video on exactly what kind of hot glue can be used for saxophone repair, if you choose to use hot glue.
Je comprend pourquoi ça me coûte si cher mon luthier!
Safrano ripeyr
Does the kind of bench anvil matter, or will any one do?
Don't order a large one :)
I'm not sure, but I think you could substitute a heavy stainless steel putty knife.
How much can I make being an instrument repair technician? I’ve been floating ideas in my head of what I want to pursue when I’m out of Highschool, and I’ve taken interest in fixing up old run down instruments and selling them for a reasonable price.
Depends on where you are, what exactly you do, if you hire help, if you also have a store, and your tolerance for bullshit. The range is from "barely scraping by" to "fairly wealthy". Average is lower middle class. I make more than you would working in a shop where you are pair hourly. I also make more than some independent shops that are not busy all the time. But you can make more doing band instrument repair as a business owner with a couple of hired hands than you can doing what I do, for instance. And you can make more still by adding a store that does good business alongside the repair shop. You can make the same or more than that if you have a good reputation and sell and repair a large quantity quality instruments, new and used/vintage. And you can make a *lot* of money if you build a reputation and then import garbage with your name on it to sell at a huge markup to people who don't know any better. I've never understood that though- if you want to make a lot of money while being not entirely honest there are a lot of much easier and more lucrative paths than instrument repair.
Again though, average is lower middle class level of income. The way I personally feel about it (and why I got into this business) was it was a way to make a living where I got to do something that I liked, that I felt mattered at least a little bit, and I could believe in it. If I wanted to make more money (something that would arguably improve my life a lot) I probably should have done something else, but my priority is my personal affinity for feeling like I am doing something that isn't bullshit. The fact that my car is old, that I have to fix things around the house myself, that my clothes are old... worth it, at least to me now at my age of forty-one. I have begun to think about getting old though, and I am not sure I will feel great about my decisions when my hands stop working so well. We will see.
@@StohrerMusic Thank you for your feedback and the informative content! I forgot to take in the idea of possibly not being able to retire in the end, but it's still up for grabs since I have no idea what I'm going to pursue. It only sparked to me since the major company that repairs in my district moved an hour away, so I thought I'd learn how to repair all sorts of instruments and start up my own business. You know, supply and demand.
@@geosekiro324 For you and other people who are considering something like this, I suggest doing it as a hobby, and buying old instruments to fix and then sell. Pay your bills with a regular job.
If your instrument repair hobby goes very well, you'll be able to build up enough of an inventory to turn it into a job. I don't repair instruments myself, but there are a lot of situations where this strategy works best (paying bills from a regular job).
You can also supplement your income very easily, by delivering pizza part time during the dinner rush, etc. If you want something, you have to CHOOSE to make it happen, and that means finding a way around any thing that is stopping you.
You do not wet the pads to prevent shrinking from heat?
Definitely not
Can you give me an idea of how much $ I have to put a side if I want a baritone saxophone overhaul. That is
A saxophone with no dents or nothing like that..?
Alot. I just paid $1600 NZ for a tenor o/h
It’s like baking cookies!!
Honestly, it's exactly the same thing, except you don't eat them.
shellac jaffa cakes... :-)
These lessons are TERRIFIC...thanx..😂
Nobody uses shellac these days, well not in Europe anyway !
Christo Reeds
Well ,that is what you think my friend!
Nobody except me....
What do you use then instead? Hot glue? I still use shellac, its the easiest and the best!
Oh yes they do, woodwind brasswind Leeds UK do, great job too..... 🎷👍
from my experience the best repairmen i had workin on my horns all used shellac