When I was in Art School in the late 90s I rescued my dad’s super 8 camera from the closet. For a complete novice this camera proved to be surprisingly user friendly. Shooting at the classic frame rate gets you 5 min of playback per roll if I remember correctly, and you want as much time as possible because the Cost of film and development was definitely what stopped me from using it more often. However back then there was no real alternative for getting that look. Checking now, looks like the cost of film and developing has increased significantly. My advice, if you want to shoot super 8, buy a vintage camera and shoot a couple rolls, the user interface was designed for the average consumer, don’t be intimidated by the lack of digital tech. You can always turn around and sell the camera for about how much you paid if you want to upgrade. Also even though you will probably have the film scanned, track down an old school projector, that’s the best way to enjoy this retro experience. However modern digital is SO GOOD, and you can probably find a filter to make it look like vintage movie film if you really want. Unless you have money to burn, extremely expensive film can only hinder the creative experience.
A cursory glance at eBay reviews tested working vintage cameras for less than $400. It’s difficult to imagine that many customers would be willing to pay the enormous price being asked for this new one. The difference in camera price alone could cover a whole lot of film and processing!
I'm sure a few factors of high asking price have to be the limited supply and this being targeted to production companies and maybe wedding videographers who are willing to pay the upcharge.
This is exactly why we don't get a lot of new film cameras. The used market is too big and people aren't going to want to pay for a new camera even with new parts and a warranty. People are complaining about the cost of the Pentax 17, new higher end cameras are just going to be even more expensive.
The cost of the camera will prevent 98% of any enthusiast from ever considering it. Not worth the money when the resolution looks so poor at times. A Nikon R10 or R8 would produce a much sharper super 8 image. With the loss of Super 8 stocks like Kodachrome 40 (which was awful for the environment) and Plus-X (the most amazing super 8 stock of all time), this is a never buy for me.
That was kind of the point. Kodak wasn’t marketing this to the average hipster doofus. Why have Christopher Nolan and J. J. Abrams talk it up if they weren’t aiming for the prosumer market? Unfortunately, at this price, only Nolan and Abrams could afford to use it, and the likelihood of that is extremely remote, especially Nolan… As glad as I am it’s finally here, I wonder if it wouldn’t have been better to just let it die. The moment when it could have made the most impact was long past, and there’s been too many expectations this camera has drummed up that it ultimately failed to satisfy.
At $750 (as announced nearly a decade ago) alongside their other cloud and development promises it would have been a maybe splurge and buy as a self gift. At more than $5k with outdated ports and made of plastic... I already forgot this camera exists
Kodak should have figured out a way to make the camera cheaper and make the profits off selling the film for it. Missed opportunity, especially with the resurgence in film and retro analogue look.
For this to work, Kodak needs to make the film, processing and scanning more affordable per roll. What gets me is that with modern technology and production line processes, one would think they would have figured out a way to improve it all to make it more affordable. But they haven't. They still rely on old 20th century factory equipment and film processes to carry them through. They are not a company that innovates. They are a modern example of the old Smith Corona typewriter company in a digital word processor age. They have no drive or direction. They have no leadership with purpose. They have no vision. Kodak is a shell of a company. George Eastman would be ashamed.
Having grown up shooting Super 8 movies, I really wanted to have this camera. The idea of shooting on film takes me back in time over 40 years. But is that worth the price? Who is the market audience? It's too expensive for the nostalgia market, and there are better options for wedding videographers and filmmakers. If this camera was $1000, maybe.
Good. Lord. $5,495 on B&H. That's absolutely insane for 3min recording time. If it was 16mm with a 400ft capacity maybe that price would be justified. You can almost buy 2 Leica M6's for that price. (Yes, I'm well aware that's 35mm still camera but still wtf)
I would definitely buy this if it weren't 5 grand. I already have a vintage super 8 and I would totally add this to my collection - if I didn't have to sell my car to afford this.
not a single mention of how, in the 7 years between announcement ant fanal release, the price went from $400-$750 to... uhm... $5.500 ... I mean... a price increase of more than 10x and take into account how inflation hit the consumers during that time... Yeah... Those extra perks like on board sound recording and built in video-tap can't really measure up to what is essentially a gimmicky novelty camera.
They might sell a few of these as a rich mans toy. But no professional would use this except for a 3rd cam with 2 or 3 rolls shot for a fun outtakes sequence.
Yeah all the extra features on this are excessive for a professional shoot. Why pay thousands of dollars more for an "easy mode" 8mm camera when you can just learn how to use an older 8mm camera? Trust fund prosumers and influencers seem to be the target audience of this.
There is absolutely no reason why this camera should cost this much. Even with all the modern features, which are standard in every digital camera, this thing should have cost $1-1.5k.
????? $5,495.00 ????? Kodak Super 8 Camera Battery Pack $129.00 ??? Kodak Super 8 Camera Battery Charger $249.00 ???? who should buy this? What drugs did they take, I want them too!!!
I owned Super 8s, the Bolex 155 and the Bealieu 4008 with Angénieux lens. Save yourself money (film is expensive, developing is even more, and not included with the film) and get a M43 video camera, smear the back element of the lens with a very light oil (the stuff from the side of your nose works well) and shoot away. Voila, instant nostalgia.
i know you guys have to sell this thing but as someone who grew up making home movies and stop motion cartoons with super 8 and whose camera, grey card and sekonic light meter are still in my closet - this this is ridiculous. it's not even that great of a super 8 camera with no facility for stop motion. booooo.... and the COST?! wtaf.... you can get a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more capable camera for a fraction of the cost on ebay. "who is this for?" - it's for a music video shoot where it needs to appear in camera as some hipster shooting super 8 film for some reason.
B&H clickbait..... tell me one thing B&H actually knew about Super 8 cameras before the Kodak camera release? They're just reciting regurgitated info provided by kodak. Get Pro8mm staff to review the camera instead for a true review -- not by some "camera walmart" kodak distributor. You can't just use "any" vintage C mount lens on this camera as you say. Many vignette at certain focal lengths and the lens must be collimated to the Kodak camera manually by technicians who know what they're doing. At this price, the camera should have a variety of prime lenses if not providing a zoom lens. You can't film everything on a 6mm lens and not all C mount lenses will work. Not allowing the LCD screen to reflect correct exposure brightness and only relying on an exposure meter is antiquated and poor form. All modern DSLR cameras these days display brightness based on lighting for the set ISO. Why can't the kodak camera do that for $5495??
I would love to try out this camera but WOW, the cost is pretty outrageous. I know, I know, film is expensive. I grew up on it. But WOW, you really have to have big $ to own and operate this. And what if the labs go out of business, which is a real possibility? There are so many if's here. Would still love to try the camera though! Looks compelling.
Unfortunately, my Bolex 155 super 8mm doesn't work. However, my Bolex Paillard 8mm and my father's old Bell and Howell still works. I just have no desire to run film through them at this time. It is way too easy for me to recreate the old 8mm film look with my digital camera and vintage lens and post effects.
Original boxy Super8 "people's cameras" were $40. There were more expensive versions for $70 and $175. Sure, inflation. Still, $4.5K is insane when one can have BM or Sigma FP for half the price.
This camera is dead on arrival due to the price. If this was under $1000 it would be a slam dunk among people looking to experiment with super8, but at $5k who exactly is this for? You could buy a vintage super8 cam for a few hundred bucks and you have a new toy to play with. For $5k you could get yourself a super16 camera with sync sound capability and film+processing. The product doesn't even look well made.
I'm seriously stoked by this!!!! Now if they can do 16mm, super 35mm, 35mm format that matches what DSLR's and mirrorless and 70mm film. Especially the latter. It would he insanely cool!
I feel like out of all the cool tech there is to invest in, simple film camera's such as this have to be the most unreasonably expensive, I'm not well-versed in film industry maybe there's a reason but this, if anything is more of a collectable than it ia a camera. over 5k for a few mins of footage? How is analog supposed to come back if its so inaccessible
I don’t care what comes with it. It’s still at least $4500 too much. Kodak could have re-invigorated the super 8 market and sold a ton of film if they had stuck with a sub $1000 price for the camera. But.. greed will kill this before it even begins.
There is no built-in microphone. To record audio you'll need to use either the 3.5mm line in or 3.5mm mic in. You can also monitor the audio using meters on the LCD and via the 3.5mm headphone out port. These audio files will be saved to an SD card in the .wav format. An L-bracket would mount an external microphone. >Mark< DigitalFoto Solution Limited MINI L Bracket Handle with Cold Shoe Mounts for Smartphone/Camera Gimbal B&H # DIMINIL: bhpho.to/2qietuV
@@BandH Okay, but how do you hold a microphone and film at the same time without bringing in another person? Seems this would take away the pleasure of using the camera. Can't you guys add some kind of mounting clip or hot shoe for an external mic? Looks like this detail has been missed.
Please add a video on how someone can use a mounting bracket to show the mock up how an external mic can be used so we can visualize this. This is something very important for us to see. It's a necessary feature we must have.
Hello, could you please answer my question on exactly how to hook up and support an external microphone to the camera? A diagram, or better yet, a video, would help us get a visual representation of the method used for capturing audio. Thank you for your time. Looking forward to the release of the camera.
What exactly would you be looking for? And what would be your definition of a “pro” feature? From what I can see, it’s got quite a few things that would be considered “pro” features.
@@cubdukat How much is the upgrade cost alone to take an older high end camera and have the gate width modded? And add crystal sync? Exactly. These "enthusiasts" (meaning thrift store hobbyists) are mostly comparing apples to chewing gum.
If it was like $2500-3k it would be cool to normalize this as a behind the scenes camera for film sets. I like the nostalgia and the real use of this is renting it for a section of a project. No way anyone is spending FX6 money on this.
Not shelling out 4.5K for a super 8 camera of any kind. Could never justify it. I guess rich hobbyists and avant-garde types, but here again, for the price, there are cheaper and better options. The digital conveniences are nice, but unnecessary to an experienced film shooter who actually used the format back in the day. You can use a cell phone for a video assist and the audio feature didn't have XLR plugs. I prefer using a separate recorder and a dedicated audio person when I can. I didn't see the ability for it to do single frame. With all of that digital hardware loaded into a camera, a simple programmable time lapse feature would've been nice, especially at that price. On the plus side, the xtal speeds are a great option and the registration on the footage looked rock steady. Still don't know how loud the camera is, which is a consideration for sync sound, especially if you're shooting indoors in a studio. I have a Canon 814AZ that has worked fine for me, just wish I had some projects for it to justify the cost of film and scanning. Still glad to see Kodak is keeping the old format alive for the demands of a boutique market. Just hope it's better built than the Kodak XL55 my dad fell for in 1973. Overpriced piece of junk designed to self destruct when the warranty expired. Let's hope Kodak has abandoned that business practice at least.
It's without competition because the price makes it such an outlier. You could get pretty good digital cameras for the price, or a refurbished professional movie camera if you want to shoot on film. It'd be slightly insane to buy this camera for home videos - which is what super 8 was intended for!
Hopefully they sell enough to make a cheaper model and lower the price of developing the film..I love this format but the cost keeps me from shooting more than a roll a year or so
The film cartridge is a mechanical device and the frame gate makes a bit of noise. It is part of the charm of the retro camera and movie film medium. One will be aware of the shutter clicking away while the the camera is recording. >Mark
I am surprised the footage doesn't look a bit better. Maybe film schools will buy one or two for students and I am sure you will be able to rent them soon too.
If it was 550 if would make sense and maybe even sell well. But at 5500, with the quality the image produced and only 3mins worth of film (which also costs to develop), unfortunately this might flop
Id buy it faster than a blink of an eye, or both eyes, if affordable. Everything else is good, especially allowing lens changeability and the modern capabilities.
I been watching since it was first announced, I though wow...then the price creep upwards....then no news then price increase. People thought it was dead. Then the 5k+ price, I went out and bought some vintage super 8 cameras, some in mint working condition, for 1/10 the cost. I wanted this to be good, but the cost is just not justified.
I've been following the progress of this camera for so long and while I'm disappointed at its price, the Logmar Gentoo was going to be about the same I believe so it's not too surprising. I think new super 8 cameras are great for rental houses and especially university film programs, since universities by law are not allowed to buy used equipment. And $5500 (x2 or x3 perhaps?) is not that big an expense for a university.
I honestly dont see the point of buying this, for anyone, you shot modern settings, people on modern clothing, etc with a 60s look.........maybe for additional footage for a film...or maybe but maybe for documentary film...but even if thats the case unless you are a rich person and have 4,500 dollars and you dont give a sht about spending money on things you like but dont need maybe thats the target buyer for this thing because I dont see anyone else buying this.
I would have liked to have seen an optical viewfinder, especially at the price. Granted there's no other new options on the market for s8 cameras that i know of.
@@mr2981 well, I'd say being able to look through the viewfinder is in fact a big part of the charm of shooting on Super8 film cameras... given both options, I think I would never ever use a swivel tiny screen to frame my shots
The camera has been out for a while and I still can’t find any reviews or footage from real life owners. There is one unboxing from a channel that has nothing to do with cameras… this is a fascinating camera, but totally inaccessible. Come on Kodak!!!!!
I'd rather buy a used Sony HDV camera that shoots in 24P (which I have) This Kodak is way too expensive. Ironically, I have an old Super 8 camera that someone gave me, so now that I know they still make the film cartridges, I may actually use it one day.
I went with a CLA’d Nikon R10 from the 1970’s. 7-70mm focal length (~10x zoom!) and only needs AA batteries. Even handles the 500T Kodak stocks without issue. It was far cheaper (about 900 USD) compared to 4500 USD for the camera seen here.
I just realised there is no actual viewfinder apart from the LCD screen and that's truly the thing that disappointed me the most about this camera... of course it's amazing to be able to preview before shooting, but wasn't that already covered by having the micro HDMI? I'm sad to think one would be forced to frame their films watching a tiny screen instead of actually looking through the lens, it's really not the same...
Tri-X reversal stock.....? . Is that new? Since when was tri x a reversal film? AFAIK, the only bnw reversal film ever produced was a polaroid system high contrast film which needed its own special processing machine. I used it quite a lot for editorial work back in the 80's. 😂
Expensive for sure! Would have to buy and shoot a lot of film cartridges to offset the price. Seems like a rabbit hole to me. I had a Bolex and a Super 8 Canon that I sold, I realized early on that shooting movie film is expensive. I just stick to video for movies and use film for stills.
Fantastic ! as an owner of 23 Super 8 & Regular 8 cameras including one in Mint condition from that old country> CCCP i got it for $35.00 CND ! I have used none of then Now this gives me a real boost Exciting stuff Thanks Team B & H ! >Like 123
Those complaining about the price have not retro outfitted old super8s with a monitor. Let alone all the other additions they have added in on this camera. My comment to you is "more of me!" If anyone wants to rent mine, hollar.
I’m still shocked at how expensive this camera is.
yea, totally mental pricing.
They won't sell a lot of them. This is pure madness.
and the film!
I'm glad it exists. It will not appeal to the thrift store crowd. It's not supposed to.
Was 750$ when they announced it back then.
i would've thought maybe 500 bucks. Maybe 1000-1200 at the most. But 4500? that is absolutely insane. Like beyond insane.
Agreed!
4500 is insane but 500 is as well
yeah I'm not expert in camera prices, but that did feel pretty low. But to be fair the camera looks cheap from the outside.@@marianoguy
Its Super 8mm with medium format pricing. 4K option would have been ideal.
@@arricammarques1955 so, a digital camera instead?
When I was in Art School in the late 90s I rescued my dad’s super 8 camera from the closet. For a complete novice this camera proved to be surprisingly user friendly. Shooting at the classic frame rate gets you 5 min of playback per roll if I remember correctly, and you want as much time as possible because the Cost of film and development was definitely what stopped me from using it more often. However back then there was no real alternative for getting that look. Checking now, looks like the cost of film and developing has increased significantly. My advice, if you want to shoot super 8, buy a vintage camera and shoot a couple rolls, the user interface was designed for the average consumer, don’t be intimidated by the lack of digital tech. You can always turn around and sell the camera for about how much you paid if you want to upgrade. Also even though you will probably have the film scanned, track down an old school projector, that’s the best way to enjoy this retro experience. However modern digital is SO GOOD, and you can probably find a filter to make it look like vintage movie film if you really want. Unless you have money to burn, extremely expensive film can only hinder the creative experience.
A cursory glance at eBay reviews tested working vintage cameras for less than $400. It’s difficult to imagine that many customers would be willing to pay the enormous price being asked for this new one. The difference in camera price alone could cover a whole lot of film and processing!
I'm sure a few factors of high asking price have to be the limited supply and this being targeted to production companies and maybe wedding videographers who are willing to pay the upcharge.
You can buy refurbished super 8 cameras cheaper. Less than 700$
@@classicalhollywood3254 But not with the fancy electronic features. Not to say they justify $5k
This is exactly why we don't get a lot of new film cameras. The used market is too big and people aren't going to want to pay for a new camera even with new parts and a warranty. People are complaining about the cost of the Pentax 17, new higher end cameras are just going to be even more expensive.
The cost of the camera will prevent 98% of any enthusiast from ever considering it. Not worth the money when the resolution looks so poor at times. A Nikon R10 or R8 would produce a much sharper super 8 image. With the loss of Super 8 stocks like Kodachrome 40 (which was awful for the environment) and Plus-X (the most amazing super 8 stock of all time), this is a never buy for me.
I hope the ten people (other than UA-cam reviewers) who buy this camera will enjoy it for a few days before they return it.
That was kind of the point. Kodak wasn’t marketing this to the average hipster doofus. Why have Christopher Nolan and J. J. Abrams talk it up if they weren’t aiming for the prosumer market? Unfortunately, at this price, only Nolan and Abrams could afford to use it, and the likelihood of that is extremely remote, especially Nolan…
As glad as I am it’s finally here, I wonder if it wouldn’t have been better to just let it die. The moment when it could have made the most impact was long past, and there’s been too many expectations this camera has drummed up that it ultimately failed to satisfy.
The price is insane. Think I’ll stick with the 8mm App in the iPhone.
If this was 16mm it would be a killer product but this price for super 8 is ridiculous.
At $750 (as announced nearly a decade ago) alongside their other cloud and development promises it would have been a maybe splurge and buy as a self gift.
At more than $5k with outdated ports and made of plastic... I already forgot this camera exists
I appreciate the attempt by kodak.
Kodak should have figured out a way to make the camera cheaper and make the profits off selling the film for it. Missed opportunity, especially with the resurgence in film and retro analogue look.
For this to work, Kodak needs to make the film, processing and scanning more affordable per roll. What gets me is that with modern technology and production line processes, one would think they would have figured out a way to improve it all to make it more affordable. But they haven't. They still rely on old 20th century factory equipment and film processes to carry them through. They are not a company that innovates. They are a modern example of the old Smith Corona typewriter company in a digital word processor age. They have no drive or direction. They have no leadership with purpose. They have no vision. Kodak is a shell of a company. George Eastman would be ashamed.
Still got my old projector and films . 🎥 but 4500 wow that's crazy
Having grown up shooting Super 8 movies, I really wanted to have this camera. The idea of shooting on film takes me back in time over 40 years. But is that worth the price?
Who is the market audience? It's too expensive for the nostalgia market, and there are better options for wedding videographers and filmmakers. If this camera was $1000, maybe.
Well, you know what they say: nostalgia just isn't what it used to be...
Minor nitpick: Those first couple clips before the Ektachrome 100D clips are also E100D, not black and white Tri-X…
Good. Lord.
$5,495 on B&H.
That's absolutely insane for 3min recording time.
If it was 16mm with a 400ft capacity maybe that price would be justified.
You can almost buy 2 Leica M6's for that price.
(Yes, I'm well aware that's 35mm still camera but still wtf)
FOR THAT PRICE The camera should convert the film itself to digital!!!!!
I agree.
I would definitely buy this if it weren't 5 grand. I already have a vintage super 8 and I would totally add this to my collection - if I didn't have to sell my car to afford this.
not a single mention of how, in the 7 years between announcement ant fanal release, the price went from $400-$750 to... uhm... $5.500 ... I mean... a price increase of more than 10x and take into account how inflation hit the consumers during that time... Yeah... Those extra perks like on board sound recording and built in video-tap can't really measure up to what is essentially a gimmicky novelty camera.
They might sell a few of these as a rich mans toy. But no professional would use this except for a 3rd cam with 2 or 3 rolls shot for a fun outtakes sequence.
Yeah all the extra features on this are excessive for a professional shoot. Why pay thousands of dollars more for an "easy mode" 8mm camera when you can just learn how to use an older 8mm camera? Trust fund prosumers and influencers seem to be the target audience of this.
5.5k is insane
There is absolutely no reason why this camera should cost this much. Even with all the modern features, which are standard in every digital camera, this thing should have cost $1-1.5k.
Kodak had based its marketing on affordable cameras for the masses. I am glad they are still adhering to this philosophy.
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Where do I order the color Tri-X reversal used to open the video?
Was very interested until I saw the price.. ugh.. have to just stick with processing effects.
????? $5,495.00 ????? Kodak Super 8 Camera Battery Pack $129.00 ??? Kodak Super 8 Camera Battery Charger $249.00 ????
who should buy this? What drugs did they take, I want them too!!!
This camera is way too expensive and it looks like a cheap toy.
The camera is great but the price is absolutely ridiculous. I’ll keep using my Canon Autozoom 814.
You do that.
I owned Super 8s, the Bolex 155 and the Bealieu 4008 with Angénieux lens.
Save yourself money (film is expensive, developing is even more, and not included with the film) and get a M43 video camera, smear the back element of the lens with a very light oil (the stuff from the side of your nose works well) and shoot away.
Voila, instant nostalgia.
more like nosetalgia 😂
I wonder how you found that out 😂
You guys made my day 😂😅😂
Are you in the market for a YI 12 - 40 zoom lens 😉 @@BuffaloNguyen1703
Rolling shutter.
The cleaning cloth itself is worth $500
But... But... it's a genuine Kodak cleaning cloth!
(Ignore the "made in China" tag.)
i know you guys have to sell this thing but as someone who grew up making home movies and stop motion cartoons with super 8 and whose camera, grey card and sekonic light meter are still in my closet - this this is ridiculous. it's not even that great of a super 8 camera with no facility for stop motion. booooo.... and the COST?! wtaf.... you can get a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more capable camera for a fraction of the cost on ebay.
"who is this for?" - it's for a music video shoot where it needs to appear in camera as some hipster shooting super 8 film for some reason.
B&H clickbait..... tell me one thing B&H actually knew about Super 8 cameras before the Kodak camera release? They're just reciting regurgitated info provided by kodak. Get Pro8mm staff to review the camera instead for a true review -- not by some "camera walmart" kodak distributor.
You can't just use "any" vintage C mount lens on this camera as you say. Many vignette at certain focal lengths and the lens must be collimated to the Kodak camera manually by technicians who know what they're doing.
At this price, the camera should have a variety of prime lenses if not providing a zoom lens. You can't film everything on a 6mm lens and not all C mount lenses will work.
Not allowing the LCD screen to reflect correct exposure brightness and only relying on an exposure meter is antiquated and poor form. All modern DSLR cameras these days display brightness based on lighting for the set ISO. Why can't the kodak camera do that for $5495??
I would love to try out this camera but WOW, the cost is pretty outrageous. I know, I know, film is expensive. I grew up on it. But WOW, you really have to have big $ to own and operate this. And what if the labs go out of business, which is a real possibility? There are so many if's here. Would still love to try the camera though! Looks compelling.
Unfortunately, my Bolex 155 super 8mm doesn't work. However, my Bolex Paillard 8mm and my father's old Bell and Howell still works. I just have no desire to run film through them at this time. It is way too easy for me to recreate the old 8mm film look with my digital camera and vintage lens and post effects.
Poor Kodak, $4500 makes you not want to shoot Super 8. I'll wait when it's used for $999.
Absolutely mental price. How is this affordable
Original boxy Super8 "people's cameras" were $40. There were more expensive versions for $70 and $175. Sure, inflation. Still, $4.5K is insane when one can have BM or Sigma FP for half the price.
Tell me “I scam my customers”, without telling me “I scam my customers”.
Fun Fact: You could buy a Rolex for the price of that camera.
If you know where to look, you could get an Aaton LTR and maybe even a video tap for that price.
The Super 8 format deserves such a camera
For $5k this thing looks pretty cheap. I’d rather just use the money to buy an original camera that’s been refurbished.
For $5500 you can get a real authentic Super 8 camera with a zoom lens and make a decent feature film.
How much is it ?
5500
@davidamar99 wait! You mean $550.00?
@@WhoIsSerafin haha u wish
Wow on the price . It’s so expensive because they are not thinking the sales of the product will be very high . My guess anyway.
As I understand it, about an arm and a leg.
No LED light mount?
For that price it better shoot 16mm or something useable.
Looks great! How come no cold shoe for a video light?
Is it plastic or alloy??
What's next, VHS for 36897$ ?
I thought this thing was dead, it’s been years.
This camera is dead on arrival due to the price. If this was under $1000 it would be a slam dunk among people looking to experiment with super8, but at $5k who exactly is this for? You could buy a vintage super8 cam for a few hundred bucks and you have a new toy to play with. For $5k you could get yourself a super16 camera with sync sound capability and film+processing. The product doesn't even look well made.
While I find the cartridges reasonably priced, the camera price is a nonsense 😂
Do you know the Adorama link for this camera?
Lol
Good thing there's that big battery, so it will last the entirety of your 3 minute shot ...
did this actually come out?
I'm seriously stoked by this!!!!
Now if they can do 16mm, super 35mm, 35mm format that matches what DSLR's and mirrorless and 70mm film. Especially the latter. It would he insanely cool!
I feel like out of all the cool tech there is to invest in, simple film camera's such as this have to be the most unreasonably expensive, I'm not well-versed in film industry maybe there's a reason but this, if anything is more of a collectable than it ia a camera. over 5k for a few mins of footage? How is analog supposed to come back if its so inaccessible
I don’t care what comes with it. It’s still at least $4500 too much. Kodak could have re-invigorated the super 8 market and sold a ton of film if they had stuck with a sub $1000 price for the camera. But.. greed will kill this before it even begins.
Like paying $600 for a McDonald's meal..
Agreed , way to pricey for just creating that cine film feel
Is there a built-in microphone? Is there a way to mount an external microphone on the camera?
There is no built-in microphone. To record audio you'll need to use either the 3.5mm line in or 3.5mm mic in. You can also monitor the audio using meters on the LCD and via the 3.5mm headphone out port. These audio files will be saved to an SD card in the .wav format. An L-bracket would mount an external microphone. >Mark<
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@@BandH Okay, but how do you hold a microphone and film at the same time without bringing in another person? Seems this would take away the pleasure of using the camera. Can't you guys add some kind of mounting clip or hot shoe for an external mic? Looks like this detail has been missed.
Please add a video on how someone can use a mounting bracket to show the mock up how an external mic can be used so we can visualize this. This is something very important for us to see. It's a necessary feature we must have.
Hello, could you please answer my question on exactly how to hook up and support an external microphone to the camera? A diagram, or better yet, a video, would help us get a visual representation of the method used for capturing audio. Thank you for your time. Looking forward to the release of the camera.
The camera has a simple microphone input. To record audio you'll need to use 3.5mm mic in.
You're still not answering my question satisfactorily.
Is the only way to view your image via the screen or is there a viewfinder?
Only through the screen.
I applaud anybody trying to make a new film camera but professional pricing with no pro features... lmao
What exactly would you be looking for? And what would be your definition of a “pro” feature? From what I can see, it’s got quite a few things that would be considered “pro” features.
@@cubdukat How much is the upgrade cost alone to take an older high end camera and have the gate width modded? And add crystal sync? Exactly. These "enthusiasts" (meaning thrift store hobbyists) are mostly comparing apples to chewing gum.
If it was like $2500-3k it would be cool to normalize this as a behind the scenes camera for film sets. I like the nostalgia and the real use of this is renting it for a section of a project. No way anyone is spending FX6 money on this.
Not shelling out 4.5K for a super 8 camera of any kind. Could never justify it. I guess rich hobbyists and avant-garde types, but here again, for the price, there are cheaper and better options. The digital conveniences are nice, but unnecessary to an experienced film shooter who actually used the format back in the day. You can use a cell phone for a video assist and the audio feature didn't have XLR plugs. I prefer using a separate recorder and a dedicated audio person when I can. I didn't see the ability for it to do single frame. With all of that digital hardware loaded into a camera, a simple programmable time lapse feature would've been nice, especially at that price. On the plus side, the xtal speeds are a great option and the registration on the footage looked rock steady. Still don't know how loud the camera is, which is a consideration for sync sound, especially if you're shooting indoors in a studio. I have a Canon 814AZ that has worked fine for me, just wish I had some projects for it to justify the cost of film and scanning. Still glad to see Kodak is keeping the old format alive for the demands of a boutique market. Just hope it's better built than the Kodak XL55 my dad fell for in 1973. Overpriced piece of junk designed to self destruct when the warranty expired. Let's hope Kodak has abandoned that business practice at least.
It's without competition because the price makes it such an outlier. You could get pretty good digital cameras for the price, or a refurbished professional movie camera if you want to shoot on film. It'd be slightly insane to buy this camera for home videos - which is what super 8 was intended for!
Hopefully they sell enough to make a cheaper model and lower the price of developing the film..I love this format but the cost keeps me from shooting more than a roll a year or so
It's exciting to see the camera is crystal sync, but I'm curious how quiet it runs.
The film cartridge is a mechanical device and the frame gate makes a bit of noise. It is part of the charm of the retro camera and movie film medium. One will be aware of the shutter clicking away while the the camera is recording. >Mark
@@BandH For sure. I'm a big fan of the Super 8 format. I was just curious what the potential of the camera would be for something narratively-focused.
@@42ndStreetMatthew The operator will be the limiting factor, like is always is.
$5400 for this is extortion lol
Why is it only limited edition?
I mean, technically, everything is a limited edition...
I just can't justify the price, I love the idea of this camera but 5k is too much for what it is
I am surprised the footage doesn't look a bit better. Maybe film schools will buy one or two for students and I am sure you will be able to rent them soon too.
4:20 "the most accesible" 💀
The most accessible to B&H.
If it was 550 if would make sense and maybe even sell well. But at 5500, with the quality the image produced and only 3mins worth of film (which also costs to develop), unfortunately this might flop
Go shoot some videos with your phone and leave this to who it's for.
Id buy it faster than a blink of an eye, or both eyes, if affordable. Everything else is good, especially allowing lens changeability and the modern capabilities.
I been watching since it was first announced, I though wow...then the price creep upwards....then no news then price increase. People thought it was dead. Then the 5k+ price, I went out and bought some vintage super 8 cameras, some in mint working condition, for 1/10 the cost. I wanted this to be good, but the cost is just not justified.
He just didn't mentioned the price that is insane! this Camera at this price is a SCAMMMMMMMMM
I've been following the progress of this camera for so long and while I'm disappointed at its price, the Logmar Gentoo was going to be about the same I believe so it's not too surprising. I think new super 8 cameras are great for rental houses and especially university film programs, since universities by law are not allowed to buy used equipment. And $5500 (x2 or x3 perhaps?) is not that big an expense for a university.
I honestly dont see the point of buying this, for anyone, you shot modern settings, people on modern clothing, etc with a 60s look.........maybe for additional footage for a film...or maybe but maybe for documentary film...but even if thats the case unless you are a rich person and have 4,500 dollars and you dont give a sht about spending money on things you like but dont need maybe thats the target buyer for this thing because I dont see anyone else buying this.
I would have liked to have seen an optical viewfinder, especially at the price. Granted there's no other new options on the market for s8 cameras that i know of.
$6,000 dollars!!
How? And Why?
The most unimaginative, ugliest design ever. For that money - i want my camera to NOT look like a stupid toy. Kodak has lost their minds.
I was so stoked on this until I saw the cost..lol Regardless, great video and it looks awesome! Maybe one day! lol
Defeats the purpose if the novetly of super 8 without being to see through the view finder
Do you use super 8 for novelty value? Is looking through the viewfinder a big part of that?
@@mr2981 well, I'd say being able to look through the viewfinder is in fact a big part of the charm of shooting on Super8 film cameras... given both options, I think I would never ever use a swivel tiny screen to frame my shots
@@mr2981 yes, the reason i have a sony a7siii over a fx3 is because of being able to look through the view finder and better determine my scene
@@felipemvera Oh, we're talking about DSLRs now?
@@soyunobsesivo So, you do use Super 8 for novelty value. Gotcha. This is not a camera for people who get feelies by the mere act of shooting film.
This camera is a non-starter at more than $5,000.
at this price range just get a used Alexa
5 grand ! Bloody hell.
The camera has been out for a while and I still can’t find any reviews or footage from real life owners. There is one unboxing from a channel that has nothing to do with cameras… this is a fascinating camera, but totally inaccessible. Come on Kodak!!!!!
Give me super 16 then I’ll pay 4500
Looks awesome, but there's no way I can afford that.
I'd rather buy a used Sony HDV camera that shoots in 24P (which I have) This Kodak is way too expensive. Ironically, I have an old Super 8 camera that someone gave me, so now that I know they still make the film cartridges, I may actually use it one day.
I went with a CLA’d Nikon R10 from the 1970’s. 7-70mm focal length (~10x zoom!) and only needs AA batteries. Even handles the 500T Kodak stocks without issue.
It was far cheaper (about 900 USD) compared to 4500 USD for the camera seen here.
I just realised there is no actual viewfinder apart from the LCD screen and that's truly the thing that disappointed me the most about this camera... of course it's amazing to be able to preview before shooting, but wasn't that already covered by having the micro HDMI? I'm sad to think one would be forced to frame their films watching a tiny screen instead of actually looking through the lens, it's really not the same...
You could buy 2 or 3 decent 16mm setups for this price lol
Tri-X reversal stock.....? . Is that new? Since when was tri x a reversal film? AFAIK, the only bnw reversal film ever produced was a polaroid system high contrast film which needed its own special processing machine. I used it quite a lot for editorial work back in the 80's. 😂
Expensive for sure! Would have to buy and shoot a lot of film cartridges to offset the price. Seems like a rabbit hole to me. I had a Bolex and a Super 8 Canon that I sold, I realized early on that shooting movie film is expensive. I just stick to video for movies and use film for stills.
This camera only makes sense to a company as out of touch as Kodak.
I bough a Bauer super 8 here in Prague for about 60 euros equivalent. Works great. This is over $5k...
They are selling it at $5k+ price tag now on their website. 😊
Cool😊
Fantastic ! as an owner of 23 Super 8 & Regular 8 cameras including one in Mint condition from that old country> CCCP i got it for $35.00 CND ! I have used none of then Now this gives me a real boost Exciting stuff Thanks Team B & H ! >Like 123
Those complaining about the price have not retro outfitted old super8s with a monitor. Let alone all the other additions they have added in on this camera. My comment to you is "more of me!" If anyone wants to rent mine, hollar.
If it was in the low $2k’s I’d think about it, but $5.5k is kind of out of this world..