How Maps LIE To You

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  • @joeygerkin3597
    @joeygerkin3597 2 роки тому +2862

    Fun fact: The famous Blue Marble photo taken by the crew of Apollo 17 in 1972 was actually taken “upside down” with the southern hemisphere on top. NASA flipped the image to make it align with our normal expectations of a map.

    • @Perririri
      @Perririri 2 роки тому +147

      It's also not the only photo showing the entire Earth, as many actually believe!

    • @MarsJenkar
      @MarsJenkar 2 роки тому +122

      @@Perririri It was the _first_ photo that showed basically the entire Earth from the daytime side, I wanna say. You look at earlier photos, like "Earthrise", and they show Earth lit on one side with the other in shadow.

    • @Perririri
      @Perririri 2 роки тому +3

      @@MarsJenkar that is to say, the spacecraft occulted the sun to take the picture.

    • @Ivoliq
      @Ivoliq 2 роки тому +62

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 he’s smarter then you’ll ever be

    • @acasualcactus5878
      @acasualcactus5878 2 роки тому +75

      @@chemicalfrankie1030 There is no up or down in space.

  • @jefffiore7869
    @jefffiore7869 2 роки тому +1992

    What I found cool was that atlas makers would put towns that never existed on their maps so they can sue other map makers for copying.

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 2 роки тому +183

      A hilarious modern instance of this was apple or google had a fake town, but someone actually named a store after then town on the map so it nolonger qualified as fake for the purposes of the attepted copyright strike between the two companies.

    • @simplyyellow6240
      @simplyyellow6240 2 роки тому +26

      Why they sue another for copying while the map it produce based on copying too!?

    • @laurendoe168
      @laurendoe168 2 роки тому +33

      @@simplyyellow6240 There is legal copying (obtaining a license), and illegal copying.

    • @axmajpayne
      @axmajpayne 2 роки тому +5

      @@jasonreed7522 I think you are thinking of Agloe, New York. That wasn't recent though.

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 2 роки тому +1

      @@axmajpayne that is probably the case since i know it was in the north east (NY or PA), but i said modern not recent.

  • @admiral_waffles533
    @admiral_waffles533 2 роки тому +1400

    Fun fact: before rail, maps often strongly highlighted and named rivers because they were the main method of mass transport.
    You could clearly see the difference for example, between a map of England from the 16th century and one from the 19th or 20th century.

    • @Tatusiek_1
      @Tatusiek_1 2 роки тому +87

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 Your name matches what everyone thinks of your comment

    • @NikiKovn
      @NikiKovn 2 роки тому +44

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 Your wife left you

    • @decanusseverus8773
      @decanusseverus8773 2 роки тому +23

      @@NikiKovn Bold of you to assume he had one to begin with

    • @walterbrunswick
      @walterbrunswick 2 роки тому +2

      @@decanusseverus8773 and let the roasting begin 😅

    • @el_reydeltamps
      @el_reydeltamps 2 роки тому +6

      Bro this is a troll don’t give him a reaction that is what he wants

  • @dagomyre4417
    @dagomyre4417 2 роки тому +241

    8:20 Atlas Pro actually has a video on these mountains called "Finding the Source of the Nile river." and he mentions these mountains a lot so I recommend it if you're interested in learning about them.

    • @rozafisheikh7968
      @rozafisheikh7968 2 роки тому +9

      Hell yeah I love Atlas Pro too

    • @dnsvls
      @dnsvls 2 роки тому +4

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 snap back to reality.

    • @risannd
      @risannd 2 роки тому +4

      What's more interesting is the Lower Nile is on the north, and Upper Nile is south.

  • @Stoneworks
    @Stoneworks 2 роки тому +3073

    Not ONE mention of the Earth being FLAT. Smh RealLifeLore
    Seriously tho, love your content, you're a great inspiration to Geo nerds everywhere!

    • @NbaDan1
      @NbaDan1 2 роки тому +43

      Geography rules

    • @jayoija
      @jayoija 2 роки тому +14

      shake my geo map

    • @babyzap8564
      @babyzap8564 2 роки тому +17

      stoneworks map is flat too lol

    • @IG7799-c4u
      @IG7799-c4u 2 роки тому +12

      Look up Flat Earth map and have a good laugh! :D

    • @bluekimseokjin2440
      @bluekimseokjin2440 2 роки тому +5

      torus earth >>> flat earth

  • @rhetoric5173
    @rhetoric5173 2 роки тому +36

    Fun face: for most of history south was up. Ancient Egyptians had south up (hence northern Egypt is lower Egypt), the first ever map of the world was done by an Arab geographer in service of the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and it had the south up, the Chinese too had the south up.

  • @lenz7370
    @lenz7370 2 роки тому +200

    So basically most of the maps dont lie, it's just that people cant interpret them correctly

    • @extremesbrauz
      @extremesbrauz 2 роки тому +4

      Hips, also

    • @xBINARYGODx
      @xBINARYGODx 2 роки тому +5

      if most people misinterpret, than the map is bad as doing its job, but in most cases, that is the point.

    • @rncmv
      @rncmv 2 роки тому +2

      of course, too many citizens are too ignorant to maky any reasonable conclusion

    • @EarCandyPisces
      @EarCandyPisces 2 роки тому +2

      @@xBINARYGODx Not going to apply here. The point is it is impossible to show everything simultaneously with accuracy. This is because the Earth is huge, not flat, nor perfectly shaped. Literally, to show one thing on a map, you have to either neglect showing other feature, or distort some of the less important features to make space for the parts most important according the priority of the person needing a map. This is why there are so many different maps and ways to use them.

  • @daviddavis4885
    @daviddavis4885 2 роки тому +402

    I don’t understand why the Mercador projection is often portrayed as some elaborate propaganda conspiracy, but it’s just like… no?
    It turns out having a map whose primary purpose is to keep directions consistent with the real world is useful lol

    • @natpire3851
      @natpire3851 2 роки тому +56

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 you dont even have 1 video and stop spamming

    • @AsukaLangleyS02
      @AsukaLangleyS02 2 роки тому +65

      RLL "They made northern countries look bigger because colonialism." Then explain the fact that Africa looks massive... He's also trying to blow our mind that cities have a lot of people, thanks, Captain Obvious.

    • @fredriks5090
      @fredriks5090 2 роки тому +32

      @@AsukaLangleyS02 This kind of blatant wow-factor corner cutting is why I'm not subscribed.

    • @BigCroca
      @BigCroca 2 роки тому +18

      Because cnn and other msm hates western everything

    • @bisaster5471
      @bisaster5471 2 роки тому +2

      @@fredriks5090 it's a fucken video magazine what did you expect lmfao

  • @devinallen7706
    @devinallen7706 2 роки тому +210

    I love this channel, geopolitics and demographics. You should do a video of the Darvaza gas crater in Turkmenistan. Edit: holy cow, never thought I’d get 167 likes and a heart by Reallifelore.

    • @sapphire5475
      @sapphire5475 2 роки тому +2

      🤍💙💚ANY SMALL UA-camR WANT TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER? Trying to reach 2k subs💚💙🤍................

    • @tylerakerfeldt7220
      @tylerakerfeldt7220 2 роки тому +10

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 I don’t know man

    • @TerribleGamer-101
      @TerribleGamer-101 2 роки тому +4

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 bruh you don’t even have any content

    • @Dyn0Official
      @Dyn0Official 2 роки тому +2

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 but u don’t have anything

    • @Mr1121628
      @Mr1121628 2 роки тому

      I think enough videos on that exist

  • @doggedout
    @doggedout 2 роки тому +118

    On the other hand..
    The solar system rotates on a plane. If you plot it in three dimensions there is a z axis that would correlate to up. Not only that, the solar system itself rotates on the galactic plane of the Milky Way in roughly the same orientation depending on the axial tilt of the earth at any given time.
    Even though all of these are objects in space we have to use some relative orientation to designate their orientation.
    Think galactic size is as good as any to say: This is up, this is down.
    That doesn't change until you hit Andromeda.

    • @javierlatorre480
      @javierlatorre480 2 роки тому +17

      But these directions are purely arbitrary. How do you decide WHICH part of the z axis is up and which is down?

    • @filipe2338
      @filipe2338 2 роки тому +21

      @@javierlatorre480 Right hand rule, common in physics and mathematics

    • @javierlatorre480
      @javierlatorre480 2 роки тому +1

      @@filipe2338 I guess that's fair

    • @musubk
      @musubk 2 роки тому +16

      @@filipe2338 Defining positize Z based on the right hand rule depends on which way you define as positive on the X and Y axis. It's still completely arbitrary

    • @leonmuller8475
      @leonmuller8475 2 роки тому +7

      @@musubk No, to align with the rotation of the planets/solar systems, you will have a decisive positive direction for the Z axis.

  • @davidbates3057
    @davidbates3057 2 роки тому +15

    I'd love to hear more about this mystical Kong mountain range and how it came to be.
    As for the London Underground map, credit where credit is due, that map is so super easy to read and understand, even though it looks super intimidating at first glance. So whoever designed it, hats off to them. They did a bang up job.

  • @timetraveller7294
    @timetraveller7294 2 роки тому +80

    13:28 its not "just hard to show an accurate portrayal..." its impossible... you can either keep the angles/directions correct/true to reality OR the lengths coming from a sphere going into a 2D plane.
    if anyone thinks its possible, go talk to the guys from the nobel prize

  • @moremoarkh9175
    @moremoarkh9175 2 роки тому +34

    Reallifelore has to be one of the best channels in UA-cam. I've watched him for years

    • @tanjoy0205
      @tanjoy0205 2 роки тому +1

      I second this !

    • @florisluiking6113
      @florisluiking6113 2 роки тому

      Just wait till you find out abou his other channels

    • @goutamraoshab3777
      @goutamraoshab3777 2 роки тому

      Iove from India 🇮🇳👍🙏

    • @henrymugello3387
      @henrymugello3387 2 роки тому

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 He has been making videos for YEARS now, you really think that people are going to care about you?

  • @Theggman83
    @Theggman83 2 роки тому +47

    In the US Military I was taught, in day one of map reading class as an FO, that "map makers are liars." And thats a direct quote. 👍

    • @Anonymous-qb4vc
      @Anonymous-qb4vc 2 роки тому +1

      Its more about knowledge, understanding and interpretation.

  • @Omer1996E.C
    @Omer1996E.C 2 роки тому +5

    I was watching one of your videos and you uploaded this

  • @coltonphillips5698
    @coltonphillips5698 2 роки тому +8

    I work in the cartography field and thank you so much for sharing this. Clients often don't know that what you show on a map is what you want to see.

  • @Sirenhound
    @Sirenhound 2 роки тому +1

    Fires were so bad that every neighbouring country physically moved away from Australia?

  • @VY_Canis_Majoris
    @VY_Canis_Majoris 2 роки тому +26

    Hasn't this topic been explored a million times already?

    • @lennycrew3
      @lennycrew3 2 роки тому +5

      and yet, people are still misinterpreting maps and misleading maps keep getting pumped out.

    • @VY_Canis_Majoris
      @VY_Canis_Majoris 2 роки тому +12

      @@lennycrew3 Every map is misleading because it's impossible to make a "perfect" map of the world

    • @keento8911
      @keento8911 2 роки тому +3

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 damn you got the whole squad laughing 😑😑😑

    • @timetraveller7294
      @timetraveller7294 2 роки тому +2

      @@VY_Canis_Majoris not really misleading... every map has its purpose, but no map, as you say, can do all at once. Wrong use of something is not the thing being
      misleading...

    • @henrymugello3387
      @henrymugello3387 2 роки тому

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 You got a problem?

  • @estb.mcmxciii3012
    @estb.mcmxciii3012 2 роки тому +1

    It still blows my mind that if I were to head south in a straight line from Jersey I'd end up in Chile.

  • @ryansilke
    @ryansilke 2 роки тому +3

    Geographers in 1700s: California is an island!
    Geographers in 1800s: Nope.
    Geographers in 2200 after inevitable earthquake: Woah, California's an island!

    • @ultraviolet7838
      @ultraviolet7838 2 роки тому +1

      It’s geologically impossible for California to turn into an island after an earthquake (at least in 2200). California is moving north, not west.

  • @IBeforeAExceptAfterK
    @IBeforeAExceptAfterK 2 роки тому +1

    Somewhere out there in the vast multiverse, there's a version of Earth where Australians make fun of the rest of the world for being upside down.

  • @xikes
    @xikes 2 роки тому +27

    "North up / south down" is something people agreed upon for the sake of convenience.
    Same as how we have agreed upon what letter "A" should look like and what sound should be associated with it.
    Yes, it's all a matter of perspective, but it's a useful subjectivity.
    So let's not dismantle the academic habits, just because of some stupid need to sound more inclusive.

    • @xBINARYGODx
      @xBINARYGODx 2 роки тому +2

      What good are those habits? Anyway.... no one of any real significance is actually asking to change the map to upside down to now, but some are pointing it it, which apparently triggers people bothered by "inclusive", so they whine in the comments to a video that never said to change anything or even complain about north-up or whatever you want to call it.

  • @LordShadowZ
    @LordShadowZ 2 роки тому +43

    Yes, direction is relative. However, the Earth has a magnetic field that magnets will point toward, or be pulled toward, a specific point on the Earth which is near the north pole. This is how a compass works. Not to mention that the Earth also rotates on a fixed axis with top and bottom points that hardly move, the north and south poles. The magnetic field doesn't fully align with the axis of rotation but for navigation purposes are still usable. So yes, north and south have arbitrary meaning and are a matter of perspective, but there is some science behind the choosing of which arbitrary side of the globe is the top and which is the bottom.

    • @fdmct
      @fdmct 2 роки тому

      funnily enough, even scientifically, the poles are actually portrayed the wrong way around

    • @User31129
      @User31129 2 роки тому +2

      The location of the magnetic north pole has drifted around 300 miles over the last century or so. It used to be mich further south.

    • @massimocole9689
      @massimocole9689 2 роки тому +4

      Earth has two magnetic poles though, like any magnet. The northern part of a compass needle is drawn north and the southern part of a compass needle is drawn towards the south, there isn't much reason to say one of the magnetic poles are more important than the other.

    • @priyanshsiingh
      @priyanshsiingh 2 роки тому +1

      @@massimocole9689 agreed

  • @marcgauthier6894
    @marcgauthier6894 2 роки тому +6

    Every atlas I had in school (80’s and 90’s) showed a number of different map projections and their uses right in the beginning of the book and almost every classroom had a globe. This whole thing about the Mercator projection being taught as the standard world image in Western classrooms is completely foreign to me.

  • @maximeclaes3174
    @maximeclaes3174 2 роки тому +3

    10:42 RealLifeLore teasing the beginning of his rap career

  • @nightly5286
    @nightly5286 2 роки тому +4

    If you shake your screen at around
    5:13 you'll see the blue areas move
    Idk it's probably just me being sleep deprived

  • @nestor6991
    @nestor6991 2 роки тому +1

    14:10 we have a famous quote in french about north and south that says : North or South, that doesn't mean anything ! Depending on how we are turned it changes everything

  • @XOPOIIIO
    @XOPOIIIO 2 роки тому +3

    14:40 You forgot to mention, that Australia is using this "upside-down" map.

  • @anasorabi123
    @anasorabi123 2 роки тому +2

    There is also a misconception that if you are on a latitudinal line other than the equator and you head east or west in a straight line you will stay on that line. This is in fact incorrect.

  • @percivalflores3165
    @percivalflores3165 2 роки тому +3

    I'm still impressed with ancient people making maps without aerial or satellite view.

    • @Numba003
      @Numba003 2 роки тому +1

      Loving the Sora profile pic!

  • @ramuk1933
    @ramuk1933 Рік тому +1

    Subway maps aren't inaccurate because they don't represent distances. That would be like saying that a globe is inaccurate because it doesn't show the curvature of spacetime - it's not supposed to.

  • @kirism
    @kirism 2 роки тому +9

    I can’t believe maps would lie to me, I am literally crying and shaking.

  • @q12aw50
    @q12aw50 2 роки тому +1

    I can’t believe people thought the Australian one was real. It doesn’t even look realistic.

  • @ausbjmcd
    @ausbjmcd 2 роки тому +1

    I'm Australian, and even i was uncomfortable that map flip...

  • @andrewkuebler4335
    @andrewkuebler4335 2 роки тому +17

    Just as a note, it's always been my understanding that the red blue map was more to show how the volume of the US was red, rather than the population. I've seen a similar chart with 3D height maps of the population of each county that demonstrated this pretty well.

    • @frosty6845
      @frosty6845 2 роки тому +12

      Except people have been using that to make false claims that more people voted for Trump when that's objectively not true

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 роки тому +4

      @@frosty6845 When did people make that claim?

    • @andrewkuebler4335
      @andrewkuebler4335 2 роки тому +4

      @@frosty6845 On that I can't argue. It shows an important divide between rural America and major population centers, but people are gonna people.

    • @lewatoaofair2522
      @lewatoaofair2522 2 роки тому +1

      So, like the Mercator Cold War thing, it’s political propaganda.

    • @andrewkuebler4335
      @andrewkuebler4335 2 роки тому

      @@lewatoaofair2522Sorta? Propaganda typically comes from the government to its citizens. This is usually between citizens. I think it's less propaganda and more just, misleading.

  • @lamskc
    @lamskc 2 роки тому +2

    7:24 it’s not that hard for New Jersey to be more populated than Wyoming because Wyoming doesn’t exist

  • @laurendoe168
    @laurendoe168 2 роки тому +1

    One fact about maps that was not mentioned is that map makers intentionally add FALSE data to their maps in order to catch those who copy their maps and try to sell them as their own. All the original map maker has to do is file a lawsuit, point out where this false data is, state that the purpose was specifically to allow suing those who copied it and... they win.

  • @gamingbud926
    @gamingbud926 2 роки тому +27

    These are more due to misunderstandings from the reader's part rather than deceit from the writer's side. Let's take the first example of the map of the Australian wildfires. "A rendered visualization 3D image of Australia, shot from a NASA satellite". The poster wrote this poorly, but this is what I think they meant: 'From a satellite' is about the 3D image. 'A rendered visualization' is something completely separate--that's what the artist did. Basically a visualization of the bushfires on top of a 3D map of Australia. Nobody lied here. The issue is that people misunderstood. Granted, it could have been described better, but the original post was not 'misinformation'.
    And second, the red vs blue map. Again, not misinformation and not a lie. It shows the absolute values from the counties, which counties gave votes (correction: which counties the vote of the average voter gave) to who. If you want an accurate portrayal of the ratio of red vs blue votes per county, that's a different map entirely.

    • @LeScratch89
      @LeScratch89 2 роки тому +1

      The counties' voting preferences don't matter in anything except a local election. State elections and the federal Congress are done by district, and the presidential election is largely done by the state as a whole. Portraying the county borders as if they actually mattered in the presidential election is either grossly negligent or deliberately untrue.

    • @startedtech
      @startedtech 2 роки тому +1

      report IDK Man, just spams shit everywhere.

  • @rubbers3
    @rubbers3 2 роки тому +2

    The north being up thing is what always screws with me even to this day. My windows face almost directly south, and thus when I think if my town, I think south side up

  • @zacharykay188
    @zacharykay188 2 роки тому +44

    So does our perspective of seeing Earth’s north and south also extend to how we see the entire universe? Could the entire plane be viewed just the same from upside down, but we’ll always interpret the way we currently do, due only to how our early map makers decided what was north and south?

    • @nakapanda
      @nakapanda 2 роки тому +10

      I believe north and south is dictated by magnetic fields when you use a compass. this concept should stop existing if you're outside the magnetic field; when you're in outer space.

    • @zacharykay188
      @zacharykay188 2 роки тому +3

      @@nakapanda right but what must makes north the up direction and south the down direction in our frame of reference? It could totally be the opposite had we decided otherwise

    • @JacobThomas-hv7gj
      @JacobThomas-hv7gj 2 роки тому

      @@zacharykay188 it couldn't be the opposite because their isn't an up or down

    • @dinzz8657
      @dinzz8657 2 роки тому

      @@zacharykay188 Yes if we had decided to name North-South and South-North it would be the complete opposite, but why would we set our map upside down? If the compass directs straight ahead and the planet is staying upwards then that should be north, and if its pointing downwards that should be south.

    • @Leyrann
      @Leyrann 2 роки тому +3

      I think the plane of the Milky Way is actually what's used for that, which is angled completely differently from the solar system (which does align with our north and south pole - more or less).
      Also note that the axial tilt of the Earth means that stars can be in different hemispheres depending on the time of the year anyway.

  • @edwardblair4096
    @edwardblair4096 2 роки тому +2

    I like how the map at 10:03 names the place we call San Francisco today "Port de François Drake" i.e. Francis Drake Port. Lots of recognizable US cities on the east coast too.

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami 2 роки тому +4

    Once again great video real life lore

  • @kosjeyr
    @kosjeyr 2 роки тому +8

    I've been interested in maps ever since I was born. I draw them at times, even if they're fake to at least get my brain going... I think the closest to a "true" map is the Eckert IV Projection made by Max Eckert in 1906.

    • @Beupeu
      @Beupeu 2 роки тому

      ONE FINGER MEANS MORE THAN TRUST!

  • @timseguine2
    @timseguine2 2 роки тому

    TBH this is more "How Infographics LIE to You", it's just that most of these infographics were drawn on a map.

  • @TheBreezeShoot
    @TheBreezeShoot 2 роки тому +8

    0:40 I love how opposed to saying "do your own research" we all are nowadays lmao

    • @oicmapper
      @oicmapper 2 роки тому +1

      Bruh what i click that it do put at 0:36

    • @lmpeters
      @lmpeters 2 роки тому +1

      Most people who say "do your own research" don't know how to do research.

    • @henrymugello3387
      @henrymugello3387 2 роки тому

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 Legit stop spamming.

    • @matheussanthiago9685
      @matheussanthiago9685 2 роки тому

      who'd thought that giving an powerful bias oriented research tool to vastly uneducated masses would cause harm huh?

  • @FrozenBusChannel
    @FrozenBusChannel 2 роки тому +1

    With that math slide about 2D representation of 3D globe, I thought it's a transition to a Brilliant sponsorship...

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami 2 роки тому +12

    Off topic but I really like mapping channel on yt thay make great video and my personal favorite is emperor tigerstar the guy is great at what he does

  • @geografisica
    @geografisica 2 роки тому +1

    And people still continue calling Central American, South American and African countries, “small countries”.

  • @Cheezpig_Playz
    @Cheezpig_Playz 2 роки тому +5

    thanks for posting all of these videos! ive probably watched like at least a third of them congrats on 5 mil subs

    • @sapphire5475
      @sapphire5475 2 роки тому

      🤍💙💚ANY SMALL UA-camR WANT TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER? Trying to reach 2k subs💚💙🤍................

  • @potorokusmc13
    @potorokusmc13 2 роки тому +1

    I moved to England from US 1.5 years ago. The first time I went to London and saw that tube map I went cross eyed. I tried to envision it being laid out on an actual map. It hurt my brain

  • @SoniasWay
    @SoniasWay 2 роки тому +5

    It shows how much work and research RealLifelore puts in his videos. And the quality of content is just amazing

    • @Uberkatze-
      @Uberkatze- 2 роки тому

      actually this video is fucking terrible and poorly researched lmao

    • @rooost9856
      @rooost9856 2 роки тому

      Look at this geniuses in the replies

  • @ryanasc
    @ryanasc 2 роки тому +1

    You know it’s a good day when RealLifeLore uploads

    • @robertgough161
      @robertgough161 2 роки тому +1

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 the heck you have 91 comments on this channel so far you really hate this man😂

  • @craniusdominus8234
    @craniusdominus8234 2 роки тому +12

    Maps never lie. They're quite truthful at all times, it's just that they use a very specific language to express themselves.
    It's not their fault if one doesn't know the grammar of that particular language. Guess one wasn't paying attention in school when it was being covered.

  • @Rezkeshdadesh
    @Rezkeshdadesh 2 роки тому +1

    Speaking of places on maps that don't actually exist, all these maps are still showing Australia

  • @eelvis1674
    @eelvis1674 2 роки тому +20

    Is there actually any evidence that during the days of empire Europeans liked the fact that they looked larger on the map compared to Africa etc? To me that sounds like internet age misinformation. Surely you want you empire to appear as large as possible compared to the home nation. The North at the top on the other hand may have contributed to this.

    • @Uberkatze-
      @Uberkatze- 2 роки тому +7

      no, there literally isn't any. map men made a video about this. the mercator projection enlarges areas closer to the poles because, again, it's impossible to accurately represent a 3d sphere on a 2d plane

    • @eelvis1674
      @eelvis1674 2 роки тому +5

      @@Uberkatze- no thats not what I meant. It obviously wasn't produced to feed a colonialist narrative, what I'm questioning is the assertion that the European powers would have liked the fact it made their countries look larger

    • @Chameleonred5
      @Chameleonred5 2 роки тому +2

      @@Uberkatze- He's not asking "was the map made for colonialism." He's asking "was the map popular because of colonialism."

    • @Uberkatze-
      @Uberkatze- 2 роки тому +6

      @@eelvis1674 if i was a ruler of a small euro country I'd actually like to have mine smaller to show how much we were able to conquer

    • @Uberkatze-
      @Uberkatze- 2 роки тому +2

      @@Chameleonred5 no evidence for that so probably not

  • @pureogkush4207
    @pureogkush4207 2 роки тому +1

    What i learned from this is don't move to NY or jersey...move to Nebraska it's quieter

  • @funghi2606
    @funghi2606 2 роки тому +3

    14:35 the world of Attack on Titans 😂

  • @Colaws
    @Colaws 2 роки тому

    I thought Bill Cosby was the oldest MAP on record

    • @VividRogue
      @VividRogue 2 роки тому

      So he was a child grapist? Mf was speedrunning damnation

  • @BlueCheezy.
    @BlueCheezy. 2 роки тому +1

    Idea: what if every US state was a individual country?

  • @markfrancis905
    @markfrancis905 2 роки тому +10

    Isn't the whole point of the American voting system that the less populated placed get an equal vote, and not always get overruled by highly popular places? Marking a state as Red of Blue in that context would be a correct interpretation.

    • @sleep_sounds
      @sleep_sounds 2 роки тому +11

      @crunchywolf it’s a republic not a true democracy. Here’s an example of why...Imagine there was a vote on something that the people of the city would love, say a new environmental control, but people in the country, say farmers, would be very negatively effected by, possibly losing their ability to farm correctly. Imagine it’s a true democracy and the law passes without much resistance due to the city living people. Then the farms start failing, then the food supply is effected and those in the city are negatively impacted by something they voted for not having any context of why it might not be good in the long run. This is just a random example, but you get the idea.

    • @spddiesel
      @spddiesel 2 роки тому +2

      @@sleep_sounds democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.

    • @Perririri
      @Perririri 2 роки тому

      @@sleep_sounds it's an oligarchy, US is surely no better than Russian Federation! Let Russia take all Ukraine for healthy competition!!

    • @Pontif11
      @Pontif11 2 роки тому +2

      @@EggEnjoyer the video is questioning the use of a the country map during elections and saying it should be population. Regardless of what one thinks about the American voting system the population map isn't the appropriate one to use when you take into account what gets presidents there elected.

    • @LeScratch89
      @LeScratch89 2 роки тому

      If you're going to talk about voting then you need to talk about population. People vote. Land doesn't (except in the stupid-ass electoral college)

  • @resevoirdog
    @resevoirdog 2 роки тому +1

    That map of the population by votes is fascinating showing the actual votes per area

  • @alonsoratatin
    @alonsoratatin Рік тому +1

    There is no problem with the red/blue map. It is a map of what colour won in which county, and USA election system is based on space, not people.

    • @gqborges
      @gqborges Рік тому +1

      Exactly the problem is the city voters are choosing for the rural voters and we are not getting representation

  • @TEO14444
    @TEO14444 2 роки тому +1

    How many lies have I been told by the council

  • @JormundFenris
    @JormundFenris 2 роки тому +13

    It makes perfect sense to have the northern hemisphere being the upper one on globes. About 85 % of all land is in the northern half, so you would want the overwhelming majority of the land to be on the most visible part of the globe. As for maps, they follow globes as it would be confusing to orient the landmasses differently depending on the medium.
    There are many historical exceptions to this, though, even in Europe. In the medieval ages there were several maps, particularly in religious communities, where east was up. The Holy Land was to the east, and so east was given the most eye-catching position: humans are trained to read things from the top to the bottom.

    • @defaultusername1145
      @defaultusername1145 2 роки тому +1

      It makes sense for the northern hemisphere to be at the top of globes and maps considering we are forced to pick however the fact is that it is not the top

    • @nathanpangilinan4397
      @nathanpangilinan4397 2 роки тому

      And the Islamic World during the Islamic Golden Age put the Northern Hemisphere on the south.

  • @okrodinei9691
    @okrodinei9691 2 роки тому +1

    " Who can I trust? "
    -Some guy

  • @CommieHunter7
    @CommieHunter7 2 роки тому +5

    It's false that: "It makes countries in the northern hemisphere look larger than those in the southern".
    In fact, it makes countries further from the equator look larger, no matter what their hemisphere. So while the outcome is still a europe and north American dominated view, the reason is different.

  • @rambysophistry1220
    @rambysophistry1220 2 роки тому +1

    As a political scientist I would like to point out at that 6:42 you commented "and the reason it fails to capture that is because it is the wrong map to use". That is incorrect. It is incorrect to use either people or land area, and, in fact, equally incorrect. And there is a good argument for why both don't work, it is really simple. In the case of population; the population is entirely irrelevant to what should be political policy. People who do not own physical property, that is to say, territory, that is to say, land, ought not have a stake in the political system in which they live as they have no skin in the game, so to speak. People who own land have more stake in how their country fairs, and thus, have more of a right to political representation then those who merely rent and, at least theoretically, could just up and leave if the situation gets bad.
    Likewise, there is an argument that landowners shouldn't have a stake in the country, because they _do_ have skin in the game, thus are not impartial, and thus will not act on things fairly given due information. Thus, it is renters who should vote, and not land owners. If you want to stab at which one is "right/correct" I wish you luck, that is a fools errand. They both use facts and it comes down to a value judgement. This is why the population map idea and the county vote map are both, somewhat, nonsense. It really comes down to who wins, the population center favoring political party and the land owner favoring party. Really, to make an accurate "map" of politics, it is far better to start with a spreadsheet then a globe.

  • @Numba003
    @Numba003 2 роки тому +3

    This was a pretty fun one! Thank you guys for the interesting and informative video!
    Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends! :)

  • @lewatoaofair2522
    @lewatoaofair2522 2 роки тому +1

    13:46 TLDR: “Up North” and “Down South”, two common everyday phrases, make no sense.
    Next time someone uses those phrases, take it literally to mess with them. For example:
    “I’m going down to this place.”
    “Oh, you’re going underneath it, like underground?”

  • @igitha..._
    @igitha..._ 2 роки тому +1

    This video isn't entirely what I thought it would be. The maps we are given to depict the outline of countries and continents and states are inherently incorrect. If you overlay maps of the same area over top of each other in a digital program (or for us old school folk using clear projector slides on top of each other). Doing this will show you the clear problematic aspects of cartography in the fact that none of the maps generated for public use seem to have regularity in their uniformity whatsoever. Most are skewed out of proportion. Australia for instance shows in many maps that New South Wales is around 2 -3 times bigger than Victoria it's southern state. Instead New South Wales is actually around 6 times bigger than Victoria and Queensland even more so. Cartographers really need to get with the times.

  • @jasonreed7522
    @jasonreed7522 2 роки тому +19

    I would make the argument that a top can be assigned to a spinning body by extending the laws of math.
    The concept is the cross product & right hand rule, or more specifically torque. In short vector A cross vector B will point perpendicular to the plane formed by A and B and the defined positive direction is the same as x-axis cross y-axis = x-axis.
    Coincidentally for the earth take an/the equitorial radius (pick any, doesn't matter) and cross into the direction of motion and the resultant points towards the north pole as the whole thing spins west to east.

    • @ClementinesmWTF
      @ClementinesmWTF 2 роки тому +4

      Honestly there’s a lot of good reasons to have north on top, and this is one of my favorite reasons why. Right hand rule ftw

    • @aceclover758
      @aceclover758 2 роки тому +1

      An X and Y axis can distinguish directions such as up or down but it would be a matter of perspective, espeically on a sphere
      Someone oriented differently in “space” can have a different perspective or opnion of whats up and down

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 2 роки тому

      @@aceclover758 i was about to type something up about various coordinate systems but just remembered something even better to prove my point.
      All 2D shapes have a defined top. (Well normal vector/orientation)
      First we can agree that a spinning sphere (earth is close enough to a sphere) has 2 natural features being the axis of rotation and the equator. The axis defines the poles but doesn't allow us to distinguish between north and south. That honor falls to the equator.
      The equator is a circle, and the direction of any shape is defined as normal to the side where the shape is drawn counter clockwise. Normally in math you just let the top be the side closest to the z-axis at time t=0, however, the earth is naturally spinning so the equator can be seen as inherently spinning so if you look at it so that it spins counterclockwise that is the top of the equator. (Positive rotation in math is ccw)
      This means that the north pole is the top pole because if you look at earth along it the planet is spinning ccw, and likewise the south pole is the bottom because looking at earth from along it the planet moves clockwise.
      Also feel free to look at the Wikipedia page for spherical coordinates, of which out lattitude, longitude, elevation system of measurement is a form of (granted lat-long is not right hand rule orthogonal and it should be longitude, lattitude, elevation)
      The point it positive rotation in math is counter clockwise so an isolated body should be defined the same to have positive angular velocity and angular momentum. Coincidentally Venus spins opposite the rest of the planets so it is either upsidedown or spins backwards.

  • @Matfridt
    @Matfridt 2 роки тому

    OK, that's cool and all, but the underwater Mountains Of Kong has incredible fantasy movie potential. Idk what it would be about exactly, but it sounds awesome

  • @firebreathingrubberducky5621
    @firebreathingrubberducky5621 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you RLL for introducing the importance of Critical Thinking and how misinformation starts.👍

  • @ajhhsshhsa5823
    @ajhhsshhsa5823 2 роки тому +1

    So basically best place to tattoo world map is balls.

  • @gladlad6040
    @gladlad6040 2 роки тому +1

    RLL makes that most enjoyable content bro

  • @zachrodan7543
    @zachrodan7543 2 роки тому

    and this is why my favorite map projection is probably the euler spiral

  • @charliemills989
    @charliemills989 2 роки тому +49

    I generally enjoy your content, but this video feels a lot like clickbait. "How maps LIE to you" is really just a product of how people don't think for themselves and use common sense. As you mentioned, many people know that the mercator projection is deceiving and "up" is relative on a globe, or that election maps don't show total population. The maps, as you say, don't lie, but I disagree that they "don't tell the whole truth" - no map or human made representation of the world can. There are too many variables, complex interactions, and perspectives to show all at once. Viewing any map requires critical consideration of such factors. One must be open-minded to not be deceived by such representations, that's all it is. Please don't exaggerate the concept of maps as being inherently deceptive or wrong, all for views.

    • @MeloOnConsole
      @MeloOnConsole 2 роки тому +1

      It’s definitely not clickbait...

    • @MeloOnConsole
      @MeloOnConsole 2 роки тому +1

      Just watch the video?

    • @rncmv
      @rncmv 2 роки тому +1

      "requires critical consideration" unfortunately, this commodity is permanently in short supply

    • @Liquids1deways
      @Liquids1deways Рік тому

      Bro wrote a Bible, just watch the video💀

  • @Eddieheli
    @Eddieheli 2 роки тому

    Mercator projection is one of the common thing that misleads people for sure.

  • @synxelectrika
    @synxelectrika 2 роки тому +1

    Just imagine being a kid and looking at a map in school that happens to be the Mercator projection... And then you grow up not realising how distorted the map is and still think Greenland is bigger than Africa

  • @Larkinchance
    @Larkinchance 2 роки тому

    I had a friend who picked a classroom globe of the world.
    He held it in his hands and looking puzzled at me, he said,
    "I don't get it?"

  • @laughsatchungus1461
    @laughsatchungus1461 2 роки тому +8

    Oh good i thought this was going to be another of the 1 billion videos there are about map projections and how they’re distorted i like how original this is
    Edit: nvm

  • @denelson83
    @denelson83 Рік тому

    You can tell if a cell coverage map of the US is inaccurate just by looking in the area around the border between Virginia and West Virginia. That is the National Radio Quiet Zone around the Green Bank radio astronomy observatory, and if a cell coverage map shows that area to be comprehensively covered, that ought to be a *big* red flag to you.

  • @rakhapradana7350
    @rakhapradana7350 2 роки тому +4

    12:18 RLL: in modern times, even if the Mercator projection is the map used in classrooms.
    The stock video: literally shows a classroom that is showing a map that isn't in Mercator projection

  • @JakeKoenig
    @JakeKoenig 2 роки тому +2

    - Death
    - Taxes
    - RLL sneaking in his personal political narratives regardless of the supposed video topic.

  • @joeg5414
    @joeg5414 2 роки тому +5

    I went to school for geography /GIS! One of my favorite books I had to read was "how to lie with maps." You can manipulate how the data is applied to tell whatever story you want. I question every map I see😂

    • @joeg5414
      @joeg5414 2 роки тому

      @@UnkownUA-camr286 I see that. You've clearly been hard at work producing videos🤣

    • @randomgamerdude98
      @randomgamerdude98 2 роки тому

      Geography major here and that’s exactly what my GIS prof said. MANIPULATE THE DATA😂😂

  • @RooshiVin
    @RooshiVin 2 роки тому +1

    Worth noting, at the time of the 1500s expedition in California, what is now the Salton Sea was an actual lake, near its high-water mark. Those Spanish sailors likely went up the gulf and into the lake, called Lake Cahuilla.

  • @BrianStDenis-pj1tq
    @BrianStDenis-pj1tq 2 роки тому +14

    Like others, love your content. However, the vote coverage map illustrates exactly what its intent is. Everyone already knows that vote count in sum. That is what decides the election. However, one might assume that the winning side won most states and counties. That is what is incorrect. So, a map showing states and or counties won does add value to the already known information. The shaded one is more revealing than the bi-color one. I don't know, I love maps and I totally get the vote-by-county map and think it adds value. Looking forward to the next video.

    • @chemicalfrankie1030
      @chemicalfrankie1030 2 роки тому

      you are right, but this is a channel with low iq subscriber who do not know concepts as population density... hell, i am pretty sure they do not even know how the election system works in the US (show them a map with congressional districts!)

    • @SEAZNDragon
      @SEAZNDragon 2 роки тому +1

      The part about the voter map is context. I have my share of "red" friends who show the bi-color map and say "See our side is better" but negate the fact Los Angeles County, California a "blue" county has a population bigger than 40 states (10 million). Hell in 2020 more people voted "red" in blue California than "red" Texas.

    • @runderdfrech3560
      @runderdfrech3560 2 роки тому +1

      +Brian St. Denis. The problem is that this map suggests that it is unfair that the people from few small countries deside over the people of a lot of large ones, that the cities dictate the politics. It totally misses the point, and I think that's its purpose, that every vote counts the same and that its the people and not the states who deside (despite in the USA they have a strange voting system thet I don't appreciate where the candidate with fewer points can win the election). We had the same issue in Austria: a map nearly totally blue (Norbert Hofer, FPÖ) with small green spots (Alexander Van der Bellen, Grüne) on it. But this small spots were the big cities and due to Alexander Van der Bellen had more votes he became president. Its based on the mere fact that the world population is enormously unequal distributed.

    • @InciniumVGC
      @InciniumVGC 2 роки тому

      The electoral college is an example of equity. It gives minority populations a more even footing with majority populations.

  • @owke.o.IYIkj.go___
    @owke.o.IYIkj.go___ Рік тому

    Maps were used for transportation in the 1723s to 1890s but now it has greatly accelerated to the point that they are used for comparisons lol

  • @waffle6376
    @waffle6376 2 роки тому +1

    when i look at green land i thought it was bigger as africa but after finding out it wasn’t, mine hold life was a lie

  • @sodinc
    @sodinc 2 роки тому +1

    I think it explains why Mercator projection isn't used in my country that often - we aren't into sea navigation

  • @iceshadow207
    @iceshadow207 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome video!
    One tiny thing, 12:02 - it shows countries both in the Northern and Sothern hemispheres larger than countries closer to the equator.
    O7

    • @davidozab2753
      @davidozab2753 2 роки тому +1

      The effect is more pronounced in the Northern Hemisphere because there's more land/countries further north.
      Except for the Great Penguin Empire which will one day conquer us all.

  • @aronc24
    @aronc24 Рік тому

    Thinking of the world flipped and how it doesn't actually matter... WOW. Perspective changing, Sir.

  • @aparks1437
    @aparks1437 2 роки тому

    welp, geography class just got a lot more complicated ..

  • @nickg5250
    @nickg5250 2 роки тому

    As a guy moving into a rural area, I appreciate this info. The granularity of cell coverage still feels like 1992 if you live near mountains...

  • @wunderjungen3553
    @wunderjungen3553 2 роки тому +3

    As someone designing map for a living, this is great content, thank you!

  • @ripvanallosaur113
    @ripvanallosaur113 2 роки тому +1

    I swear my state's dinky population is the main reason many know about Wyoming...

  • @anshulpowersmart4729
    @anshulpowersmart4729 2 роки тому +4

    Just want to make it clear at 0:17 that you mentioned 6200 to 2022 is almost a millennium. Millennium is 1000 years but the map almost is 10,000 years old. It's called 'decem millenniuum' or myria-annum (though these are not commonly used).

    • @zaph8015
      @zaph8015 2 роки тому

      Didn't he say "a millennium before the advent of written language"?. In that case it would make sense.

    • @anshulpowersmart4729
      @anshulpowersmart4729 2 роки тому

      @@zaph8015
      Oh.... Yes. I got it now
      Thanks

    • @zaph8015
      @zaph8015 2 роки тому

      @@anshulpowersmart4729 Aha no problem

    • @anshulpowersmart4729
      @anshulpowersmart4729 2 роки тому

      @@zaph8015
      Btw, where are you from ? I'm from India

    • @zaph8015
      @zaph8015 2 роки тому

      @@anshulpowersmart4729 I'm from Australia 🙂

  • @bucketfullabiscuits7865
    @bucketfullabiscuits7865 2 роки тому +2

    Also, to compound the arbitrary direction of "North = Up", the vertical centerline of the map (The Prime Meridian iirc) is also arbitrarily chosen. I believe Johnny Harris has a video on this, which is more likely to be correct than me, but it was decided to run through Britain out of respect for the incredible naval control they possessed at the time, for the convenience of their many navigators. I believe it runs directly through the museum that houses a bunch of other unit defining objects, like the kilogram (until recently).

  • @PhantomBulletGames
    @PhantomBulletGames 2 роки тому +1

    Only thing i disagree with is the whole North and South thing. I mean astronauts and satellites see the planet the same way as the Map.

    • @defaultusername1145
      @defaultusername1145 2 роки тому

      Because they make them that way so the globe makes sense if they put them upside down (which isn’t actually upside down) it would show the opposite

    • @dr.zoidberg8666
      @dr.zoidberg8666 2 роки тому

      No... No they do not. There is no up or down in space. There is no objective orientation.

  • @pmhernane3903
    @pmhernane3903 2 роки тому +3

    When I was a kid, i used to fold the world map because I feel like it would look a little more balanced and symmetrical if the India and Southeast Asia is in the middle 😅