I'm definitely gonna continue to grind my butt off until I get a close to maximal roll of a Model 700, to truly test its viability in the end game :) My suspicion though is that they just aren't worth it in solo play any longer, though they probably still have a place in group play when you have more space to use them
Since the nerf I have had to choose another specialist weapon , I have had to say good bye to the sharpshooter, the model 700 is no good at all now and as for the 50 cal it's a joke. That 50 cal should be able to one shot anything in game, apart from tanks, the mechanical kind I mean. Even enemies with all that armour would still fall due to the sheer impact and shock wave going through there body from a 50 cal sniper, it would snap there necks or cause massive internal injury. So my opinion is this the specialisation sharpshooter is no longer viable to end game, it was a waste of time maxing that specialist weapon tree. Until the Devs improve the rifles and sniper rifles I will not be using this specialisation anymore.
@@elainereyabc2600 then ur tier 4 build was simply not min maxed or even close to it. sharpshooter is one of the best for raw damage increase, 25 % headshot dmg are you kiddin, running that on any dps build makes it, in same cases, way more stronger than 15 % weapon damage. but thats just how i feel it :) game needs a fkcing remake ^^ otherwise theyll see players dropping off faster then milk in my coffee
I will have to disagree on blaming PvP for that. The 1 shot sniper build still exists, it just now REQUIRES you to use the scope. I trully do believe that they wante to diversify PvE usage of sniper rifles, but they missed the mark really really hard. I've since abandoned completely the marksman rifle category, but I still keep a M700 and a SVD around for when they unf* this up. Also... why no Marksman Rifle damage bonus on Marksman tree? Why does it have only 1 weapon damage bonus, and no sidearm bonus?
They're trying to add diversity but doing it wrong. Devs think they only way to fix a meta is to nerf something. They've never heard of make other things just as good, and you please people and create a more diverse meta.
It looks like we are going through a repeat of the same crap we went through In Division 1 with the developers. The honeymoon is over and once again, the developers are acting incompetent on how to balance the game. Instead of nerfing one gun, how about just buffing the others. We have been down this road way to many times of nerfing items in PVP while automatically throwing PVE in it. If they continue to do this sh*t, Division 2 will be a wrap for me. I don't plan on going through this another three years. Last time, the gaming community went along with the fact that Division 1 was broken and the developers were in a learning process. This time, there are no excuses.
Lol I said that before the first patch. This is the exact same thing they did in the first one but a lot worse. It isn’t about how you want to play the game, or what gun you like. This is about how they want you to play the game. We bought the game so we should be able to pick. They are pissed the dark zone has failed due to the toxic one in the first one and the fact no one wants to even go in there any more. So now all the sudden you want 515 gear go to the dark zone. Oh wait there is more now no matter what there will always be at least 12 people in the dark zone. Now it is like you have to go rouge do all the bs cause they want it. Why don’t they get the hint no one cares about the dark zone. Unless they make it a option for each group. Nothing wrong with pvp but it does get very old being camped or jumped by 4 guys over and over and over. So doesn’t matter if you get the 515 gear you will just lose it any way. So you get to help the pvp players out by being their farm.
JAMSTHEWANDERER lol does it matter for pve what kind of build they run? No. Did you not listen? He doesn’t care for pvp just like a lot of the games they have pvp are starting to die off.
This reminds me of SWTOR, where they nerfed the heals and several classes because they were "overpowered" in PvP. Then PvE endgame became a lot harder. This shouldn't happens, especially for the poor people that don't want to do any PvP.
I was leveling to WT2 with the M60, not finding my play style, and its then when I found the Mk17 together with the M 700, which was together with the M60 my setup to go since day one. So to clear this up, M60 for fast shooting and M700 for sniping, my playstyle kind of. Now I am not even running my Hunter 44, as it is for Solo just not good enough. The META now for rifle is Mk17 and Chatterbox, strangely enough. Basically why the M700 was nerfed was because of the Salty PVP-Community
Yup exactly! It wasn't op at all imo. Half the time you were reloading, or half the time you were pulling out your other weapon cos the enemies were too close
Gongrongzong I made a model 700 specific build where I actually used a smg-9 with the talent that decreases reload speed with crits. The model 700 is still the highest damaging sniper per shot but I think the srs maybe my go to for the raid since it can reach almost 100k damage a shot and has a super fast reload to boot
Snipers snipe it's a long range weapon that I do like to use more than most but when I get back on after work I guess I have to go testing a few others... Damn, wish they'd stop messing with things after release because the game testers failed to test the game in the first place and highlight the problems, at this point in time we are ALL the testers for their tweaks. (Edit: you gained a new sub, nice vid and totally agree with you on the points raised)
Great video! Totally agree. All of the nerfs only make sense from a PVP perspective but not at all from a PVE perspective. The most popular builds were the SMG crit builds and the one shot sniper builds for PVP. Those were the 2 builds hit the hardest by the nerf. No way this was anything other than a PVP based nerf.
Nerfing something almost never brings balance. Instead why not buff the other weapons to make them more viable. If they want to nerf something nerf the damage those red bar NPCs put out lol.
JAMSTHEWANDERER That’s not all what I’m saying. If one thing outclasses everything else then nerfing it isn’t going to make me want to use the other trash. A buff doesn’t always mean weapon damage, you can change talents as well to make the items more viable.
thanks for the video, you have some very good points covered. My problem with the sniper rifles is the fact that the Dev's have screwed the stats wrong on these guns, where are they getting their info from? a Rem 700 hunting rifle or M44 hunting rifle is a normal off the shelf / over the counter rifle, made by the manufacture as a stock made rifle the only difference would be the caliber of the rifle. Why is the custom or tactical 700 rifle in the game have lower stats? custom or tactical guns in the real world are generally modified to improve handling, speed, lighter triggers, optimal performance & accuracy, with a box magazine for speed with a slightly higher round count. more time is spent making a custom or tactical rifle then a factory made hunting rifle. As for the M44 rifle WW2 rifle it was the caliber that was a hard hitting, keep in mind back in WW2 there wasn't body armor & medical help & skill was poor.
Where are you from? Apart from well-articulated points and a real passion for the game (yeah, we can hear that in your voice) you also possess a nice accent I was not able to decipher. Keep up with the good content!
pve and pvp should be balanced independent of one another , saying that im yet to find another sniper that hits harder than my model700 but m700 are lot weaker than model variant
I don't understand why games that want to have PvP and PvE don't have independent gear for each. PvP players will always whine and cry that every gun should be identical to every other gun. PvP players ruined Destiny, and they're trying to ruin the Division 2.
Should have PvP specific gear. However balance will always be a problem in a looter/shooter/rpg game. The gear and weapons are primarily developed to take on NPCs plus in this game they have pushed it more to a cover based game with a faster TTK.
PVP has nothing to do with the nurf in PVE. The problem here is (as always) that not very many game developers have figured out how to separate the balance between the two game types. Which almost always spells doom for either one or the other on patch days. It's really that simple.
Like one commenter said, if you’re gonna nerf something cause it’s to strong in pvp but perfect in pve, developers need to find a way to give all weapons a -20% nerf or whatever it may be while Used on players, and keep the full value while shooting NPC’s.
The conclusion is always the same : The bloody devs are lazy as usual : instead of increase the damage and promote the other snipers in various ways, they just nerfed the M700 to be on par with all the garbage below. This kind of reasonning is indeed worrying because it never ends well...
Point blank, it was a lazy change for the devs. Change one number vs buffing other sniper rifles. Plus the very small amount of PvP players left were crying about being one shot. You know because a sniper rifle kill should not happen against a douche nozzle with a vector, shield, and defender drone.
Remember the M1a sniper ...they nerfed that to dead 💀 You are soooo right man !!! Pvp needs to be his own game and they need too leave pve alone!!! It’s the same bs from the first division people cry 😢 because that gun is OP and the developers nerf it and solo players get stabbed in the back..dead
I totally agree with you. But there is more to it. In the pc edition the headshots are easier than the console. So when you use the M700 the risks are higher and few people were using this gun on console. They changed the way you heal yourself with the chem launcher to a double tap because of the outcry of pc owners. So now in the heat of the game you remain with the launcher in hand and instead of shooting the opponents you heal them!!! Balance is difficult but when you do those changes you better try them a lot before you break a lot of things like the non existence of specialized ammo anymore in the game....
there should be a tier system in pvp like in pve and gear that is ONLY farmable in pvp zones and its only usable in pvp zones ( including weapons). so they could balance what needs to be balanced....
I wish the same was based more on real ammo ballistics. Then the SVD would be similar in damage to the m44 with that 7.65×54r and the 700 would be basically a 6.5 creedmoor. All snipers should be strong af. Shotguns too.
I guess I've just had bad luck with semi-auto damage rolls. The model 700 I have is more than double the damage of my svd. That's making it where the semiautomatic one isn't viable either yet. Sad
I would agree with you but...picking off enemies from so far away is not risky..its more like the easier way to play...I think the better way to nerf this gun is to limit the scopes that can be placed on it to make further shots harder to do you can also for instance eliminate the use of a 12x scope and limit it to a 8x or make it so the scope you use decrease the damage depending on the scope you use, say a 12x scope will give you a little less damage vs if you use a 8x and so on...or they can just increase reload times that way the 1st hit has to really count ...these are just ideas.
my thoughts exactly...!!!!!!! after the nerf which was right before tidal basin too.. i lost the appetite to grind.. it annoys me soooooo mmuuuccchh... that the devs didnt get this right.. amazing fuck up..
Not just the model 700 got nerfed our survivalist and demolitionist both got an ammo count Nerf the grenade launcher used to have 6 with and extra 2 now only an extra 1 with the bow it was 1 with 6 in the quiver now it's 5. I know it's 1 bolt/ grenade but with ammo being already limited on the special guns that extra 1 could be life and death ingame
I think the Dev's listen to the PVP players too much, I also think the PVP players do more bitching on you-tube & to the Division forums, which gets more attention by the Dev's. I'm 90% a PVE player & spend about 10% of my game time as a dark zone player farming. I don't really care for Rogue players or PVP game play. This game is starting to piss me off & if the dev's continue to only cater to the PVP gamers and continue to nerf everything because of the PVP side of the game. I'm just going to walk away from this game. I'm now having a hard time doing solo on hard where 7 days ago. I had no problem doing a mission. Also what gives with the special ammo I'm lucky if I see one round of special ammo in 30 minutes. |This morning I played 3 strongholds in a row & one got 1 special bullet.
you are so full of shit if they listen to the pvp players, the ones that keep division 1 then why hasn't their been any update with pvp yet. The game is like it is because of you crying ass pve players crying in D1 about getting loot stolen in dz.
I’m tired of the nerfs already like I get the attachments getting nerfed but tbh it’s becoming so hard to build damage since armor is useless most of the time and if pvp is effecting pve what’s the point of having it separated
What are you talking about bro ? I have not come across any sniper rifle that have a base damage over 100k and I'm in world tier 5 now. My favourite style of play is sniper. Are you telling me there are sniper rifles that have a base damage of more than 100k ? BLOODY HELLLLL !!!! I have a special carbine that has base damage of 96.7k. My Hunting M44 only has a base damage of 92.3k and these are the best I have found since I have been playing which has been almost 2 months now. Oh in case you are wondering, no I dont have the Nemesis ..... yet. Wowwww !!! I must have the worst bloody luck ever then, and I thought I was lucky.
I agree. The devs don't know what the fuck they are doing. They just nerf nerf nerf everything. I have damage to elites on everything and chaining headshot after headshot amd npcs still wont die
Your problem is you were using the model700 like a scrub lol the real mvp is the SR A1 , dont be fooled by the base dmg the marksman rifle stats are broken. Try the sr a1 and your welcome.
PVP in these mixed games always fucks PVE equipment. I think that is why the armour sets are not as cool in Division 2. The flame turret too just sucks balls.
Nerf is the name of the game for the dev team, so instead of balancing the rest of the game they taking a page from bungie playbook. Sad but it is becoming the norm.
@@Gongrongzong yeah. When I don't have anything to do in WoW and I'm bored I just basically treat WoW like a photography simulator and take screenshots lol.
Not being rude or disrespectful, but PvP is part of the game. PvP players paid the same 60$ that everyone else did. Making their opinions on the game just a valid as yours. That being said. The model 700 is still the strongest and also still very capable of 1.4m dmg per shot in PvE.
I agree the nerf to model 700 hurt but you can still one shot enemies and players in pvp I can hit over a million with mine in pve and easily one shot in pvp
I am laughing my ass off because I hate snipers no more one shot. The nerf has nothing to do with pvp because lot of sniper plays don't have enough nuts to come to occupied dz. The nerf was because it hit too hard.
Like WoW, destiny, and TD1, dev nerfed stuff based on pvp... as player that doesn't pvp at all. I left those games (or at least took a long break) when it happened.. This time around, I am gonna stick around for another patch and see if they fix stuff other than nerfing stuff.. (not exactly happy with the mods change) and this sniper nerf(I rarely touch a sniper rifle cuz sniping on consoles is a bit too difficult for me). Seriously, Massive. Don't nerf stuff... buff stuff instead!
no u all have it wrong didnt the devs say this new game engine is amazing it lets us keep nerfs and balance between pvp and pve seperate so we dont need to nerf for all and thanks to the tubers for showing us builds that are too strong lol seems like the first game all over again so why be lazy and nerf for both game modes but atleast we can fast travel now and the meta vector now they increase the mag size ffs they havent a clue i think they are trolling us look at the new gear sets the 10% armour for 2 sets doesnt work in pve only pvp atm
All these games make the same mistake no game will ever be able to mix pve PvP it can not work. Needs 2 separate gears skills loot. I'm so ready to make my game for everyone just need to get on it
Yep they most certainly did. Which is why I'm really scratching my head as to why the knee jerk reaction nerf to the Model 700. It was already hard to use and highly impractical.
The prob wasn't that they were strong people were farming the level 18 gear mods that were able to be put into any gear slot to increase ether the damage of the smg/sniper/rifle by 5% having a gear mod slot on each gear item. depend on how many mod slot you had you could reach raw weapon damage to about 50% give or take weapon damage ... my rifle build atm using the mk17 is base line 65k damage .. even with the nerf . an not using any cheese 5% weapon mod's . but yea the game does still feel it is in the balance stage with all weapon's . on a equal playing feild when coming to pvp/pve . streamer's post vid's on dealing 1mil dps hitting a target dummy who in which doesn't move , an landing a body shot count's as a head shot . so your 1 mil dps is bull shit . i can do over 2 mil dps standing there with my thumb up my butt shooting at a target that doesn't move an counts ever body shot as a head shot lmfao
the Nerf happen because of gum was overpowered the fact that they Nerf it too hard without don't necessarily agree with you had tons of model 700 rifles and they don't seem to be much different than any other sniper rifle however I'm not arguing with your opinion about it I'm just saying I don't agree with it but the gun was nerve because it was far superior to any other sniper rifle just like them 17 on paper was far superior to any other what I like to call combat rifles because they're not sniper rifles there semi-automatic and they don't hit that hard but damn 17 hit harder than most however it wasn't the only choice even before the Nerf the sig was a good choice and hit a little less hard but you get spam it more than you cut down 17 and this is a video game people don't use rifles the rifle class to snipe they aim for the head in a Spam bullets likewise with sniper rifles you're shooting quick and fast fast as you can reload and recycle bin so reload speed are the speed the rack another round in the speed to re sculpt which is probably identical in every scope in the game because you know why I write different code for skull they're still choice you can still choose whatever you want I mean is it really matter you're not going to one shot most bosses in the game going to take multiple multiple bullets anyway so does it make a huge difference if it takes you know six seven bullets over 5 bullets or six bullets I mean not a big deal
It's definitely not the highest roll ever, though even with the highest roll it can do now it'll be probably be around 5% more damage than the Hunting M44, which isn't worth it any longer imo
Yeah right... It wasn't broken.. It just dealt around 30% more damage than the next bolt-action sniper in line. It still is superior to every other sniper rifle. It had to be nerfed because it was outperforming everything else by a large margin. My Model 700 prior to the patch dealt 145K while my second best sniper, a hunting M44 dealt 110K.... If you can't see the need for a change here that's on you. It was a problem in PvP because of the OHK but even in PvE it was so much better than everything else that taking anything else was just stupid. Now you have some diversity. You can still take the Model 700 for the highest possible damage or the M44 for high damage, less rounds but a quicker reload etc.
Couldnt agree more I still hit a heashot last night around 400k with model 700 ...now I know it's long range but if you cant kill something in one hit people are mad if you kill them in one hit they are mad ...its a losing battle adapt and move on is what I figure
and making pve content even more frustrating. bullshit on you and your reasoning ! buff the other sniper rifles and rifles to be on par with the viable ones and not nerf it to the ground where all weapons become shit ! fuck you old guy. i am an old guy aswell and feel ashamed of you !
My Model 700 on my Sharpshooter still hits Elites for around 730K at long range and 620K at close range due to the Ranger Talent. It's still by far the best sniper in the game when it comes to single shot damage.
Still the Model 700 by far. The video makes it sound like it's been nerfed to the ground but that's not the case. They reduced it's damage by 14% while it was around >30% better than any other bolt-action rifle before. Now there is a bit more diversity and you still go for the Model 700 if you are looking for the highest possible damage per shot.
You just see the surface of what data they have. Your opinion is exactly that.... YOUR opinion. Majority of people used the m700 and they had the data for this. Just adapt and overcome
"the model no longer puts out enough dmg per shot to be pratical" -- sorry dude but there you miss something, its still the BEST sniper in the game when it comes to one shooting both in pve and pvp youll prob just unlucky finding a good one :)
it's definitely possible, I am still farming hard for a max roll model 700. But, for a build to work just by needing a maximal rolled gun, doesn't mean the build is viable at all. 90% of model 700s now roll identical damage to a Hunting M44.
M700 was too good vs other bolt actions. Yeah it had its downsides, but most of the players just look at the dmg. Name one game that had 1/8 weapons "Op" and then the devs Buffed the remaining 7 ... Yep, that just doesnt happen. If one is outlier, it allways gets the nerf.
Yep, what you say is definitely true suoman. My main issue was that the nerf was too hard. It made the weapon obsolete. There was also not much reason for it, as it wasn't overpowered. LIke the nerfs to the MK17, those were proper nerfs that didn't obsolete the weapon. This one however... Leading me to the only conclusion that it must have been influenced by pvp somehow, though I hope that isn't true
Is the crying noobs is the main cause that's affect the intire game! It's because these people, all good items become nerfed making a good game become into shit game.
The model 700 nerf was needed. you make it seem as if there was really a need for choice between snipers but there really wasn't. All you needed was a model 700 with ranger. and then a military mk 17 for everything else. The model 700 drop of range was also far enough that there is no real reason to use the hunting rifle. All you would need to do is just move up abit and then boom problem solved. Also lets be real this game is baby tier easy no thinking is really involved. Lastly the nerf was only 8% damage.... its not that much at all. you can easy farm 6% generic mods and counter act that nerf.
@6:28 "...you want to take the one with the hardest hitting bullets..." Why? Different strokes for different folks...I've never been interested in using/playing with the "best/strongest" team/etc in video games... Is it that the 700 is now too weak to complete content or just that it has lower damage stats than the M44? I don't use sniper rifles so...but I'm pretty sure one could still complete content even with the nerf. I've heard a couple of these perspectives and it sounds like the real problem is these nerfs mess with people's _efficiency._ The impression I get is that people aren't really playing the game for _fun_ or the narrative but to reach _efficiency goals_ like being able to finish Heroic missions in less than 2 mins so you can get 1,000,000 items per/hour...the nerf means it takes you 2:15 and you can only get 999,900 items per/hour... If your priority is to have _fun_ then don't choose weapons/gear based on their stats but on how they look and how much you enjoy using them...if your idea of "fun" is completing content as _efficiently_ as possible...disregard this post.
I think you're forgetting to ask if snipers in general were supposed to be THAT strong. It was the most powerful weapon in the game bar none when it comes to eliminating enemies. They nerfed it a lot because it was just that strong and trivialized the harder content.
i dont feel the nerf was that bad, before i could hit for 1.4million, on a completed 450 build, now im at 1.1 wit an incomplete build, with atleast 25% dmg still to add (10% crit dmg for finishing the set plus a good 15% dmg to elites on a mask plus a further 15% ifi can find some good gear mods, with yet another 15% if i swap from madbomber - for cc - to dmg to elites) my model 700 is around 137k dmg right now with my sr1 sitting at 115k and also capable of hitting 1million dmg hits, right now i find myself swapping between the 2 as they are both viable now, sr1 for constant fire (the faster reloads reall add up) and the model 700 for the smaller slower engagements where i have time to reload.
Ehh??? What the hell are y'all talking about? You can still one shot with the m700. You just can't cheese it like before the nerf. You "actually" have to build into it now.
It's a PvEvP game. Of course PvP is going to affect PvE and vice versa. Can't believe you guys haven't got to grips with that yet. And as said elsewhere, at least Massive are being proactive in trying to balance the game.
@@ProSkythe On challenging using any sniper feels very lacklluster, enemies are way too bullet spongies there to make the use of a weapon with a high damage/slow firing rate/very long reload time. Its just not fun anymore. I can get the sniper back to its vanilla damage, but i can't get it to the damage level i had with the many atributes/talents that i had before.
Since the devs explicitly said they aren't even looking at PVP yet you my friend have no idea what your talking about. Not to include. Model 700 still one shots in pvp. And it's still the be sniper in pve so your points are null and void by those facts alone.
no offence the nerf on the damage is nothing you can still get the damage back with increase damage so i dont see the problem at all they nerf 13% damage you can get more than that with all increase damage weapon and marksman weapon and some talent and your back to the same 1 shot head shot. I'm not saying the nerf wasn't too much but you can always make a way to get it back and the only reason for this nerf is the community they complain about it so we got it so don't complain I'm not saying its you guy's but better just play the game and enjoy it the community are the reason for this anyway.
No the nerve to the mk17 was not good people will now start using the sig 716 cuz it was the next runner-up and it was already a borderline choice people who actually shot both of them a little bit understood that you could spend the trigger on an MK I mean on a sig 716 and hit your target a lot more frequently than you put on an MK 17 but you did a little less damage with each bullet but since you were hitting more bullets it made now there's no reason to use an MK 17 over a 6 7 16 however in terms of the marksman rifles there are lots of choices of marksman rifles that you can use to do massive amounts of damage and again you're not going to one shot bosses Auto parts in rifle doing 80 to 90 k damage with a hundred and thirty or forty percent headshot plus another you know how much I get off the Marksman specialization you're going to be able to one shot almost all well all purple miles almost all rather already almost all purple Bob's even some elites just not bosses if you can it's probably because you're not setup correctly or you're taking on Johnson way too hard for a solo Marksman
Games not fun anymore when you can't one shot everything and everyone without even needing a good build? Oh poor devs for trying to balance broken guns out. Instead of making this video or cry on the comment section you should spend the time and put effort into one shotting
XPG Dack you sound rather conceited. As a mostly pve player I went into conflict with a famas and super 90 running a crit build on survivalist. It was somewhat effective so you can make more than just sniper and smg crit builds. I also actually like the vector nerf because it actually made the slower firing smgs like the ump45 more viable for both pve and pvp
XPG Dack hmmmm no u. I’ll stay because toxic people like yourself are one of the reasons why people leave the division. And no I’m not a casual, I just jumped into division 2 because my friends played the first game so I jumped from r6s after 3 yrs into d2. Thankfully you’re one of the few cancerous pvp’ers ive come across
I'm definitely gonna continue to grind my butt off until I get a close to maximal roll of a Model 700, to truly test its viability in the end game :) My suspicion though is that they just aren't worth it in solo play any longer, though they probably still have a place in group play when you have more space to use them
sad to say. its till the strongest out there. the difference between the model and others before patch was about 50-70 k dmg
now its about 30-50k
Since the nerf I have had to choose another specialist weapon , I have had to say good bye to the sharpshooter, the model 700 is no good at all now and as for the 50 cal it's a joke. That 50 cal should be able to one shot anything in game, apart from tanks, the mechanical kind I mean. Even enemies with all that armour would still fall due to the sheer impact and shock wave going through there body from a 50 cal sniper, it would snap there necks or cause massive internal injury. So my opinion is this the specialisation sharpshooter is no longer viable to end game, it was a waste of time maxing that specialist weapon tree. Until the Devs improve the rifles and sniper rifles I will not be using this specialisation anymore.
@@elainereyabc2600 then ur tier 4 build was simply not min maxed or even close to it. sharpshooter is one of the best for raw damage increase, 25 % headshot dmg are you kiddin, running that on any dps build makes it, in same cases, way more stronger than 15 % weapon damage.
but thats just how i feel it :)
game needs a fkcing remake ^^ otherwise theyll see players dropping off faster then milk in my coffee
The M700 was nerfed with 15% less DMG.
It's no mystery it says so in the patch notes...
I will have to disagree on blaming PvP for that. The 1 shot sniper build still exists, it just now REQUIRES you to use the scope.
I trully do believe that they wante to diversify PvE usage of sniper rifles, but they missed the mark really really hard. I've since abandoned completely the marksman rifle category, but I still keep a M700 and a SVD around for when they unf* this up.
Also... why no Marksman Rifle damage bonus on Marksman tree? Why does it have only 1 weapon damage bonus, and no sidearm bonus?
yeah nothing in pve should EVER be nerfed unless its npc damage or ACTUALLY "broken" ITS PVE! let us have fun
They're trying to add diversity but doing it wrong. Devs think they only way to fix a meta is to nerf something.
They've never heard of make other things just as good, and you please people and create a more diverse meta.
It looks like we are going through a repeat of the same crap we went through In Division 1 with the developers. The honeymoon is over and once again, the developers are acting incompetent on how to balance the game. Instead of nerfing one gun, how about just buffing the others. We have been down this road way to many times of nerfing items in PVP while automatically throwing PVE in it. If they continue to do this sh*t, Division 2 will be a wrap for me. I don't plan on going through this another three years. Last time, the gaming community went along with the fact that Division 1 was broken and the developers were in a learning process. This time, there are no excuses.
Buff everything to the roof so every gun can one shot? Thats what you want?
Lol I said that before the first patch. This is the exact same thing they did in the first one but a lot worse. It isn’t about how you want to play the game, or what gun you like. This is about how they want you to play the game. We bought the game so we should be able to pick. They are pissed the dark zone has failed due to the toxic one in the first one and the fact no one wants to even go in there any more. So now all the sudden you want 515 gear go to the dark zone. Oh wait there is more now no matter what there will always be at least 12 people in the dark zone. Now it is like you have to go rouge do all the bs cause they want it. Why don’t they get the hint no one cares about the dark zone. Unless they make it a option for each group. Nothing wrong with pvp but it does get very old being camped or jumped by 4 guys over and over and over. So doesn’t matter if you get the 515 gear you will just lose it any way. So you get to help the pvp players out by being their farm.
JAMSTHEWANDERER lol does it matter for pve what kind of build they run? No. Did you not listen? He doesn’t care for pvp just like a lot of the games they have pvp are starting to die off.
Great video with very good points, please dev's watch this.
Thanks King Biscuit! Glad you agree :)
Why didn't they learn their mistakes in TD1? Such a shame, if they keep doing this, TD2 playerbase will be nonexistent.
This reminds me of SWTOR, where they nerfed the heals and several classes because they were "overpowered" in PvP. Then PvE endgame became a lot harder. This shouldn't happens, especially for the poor people that don't want to do any PvP.
Dont break everyones favorite. Make the less impressive closer or better to the favorite.
My point exactly Connor! They've proved they can do it if they want to, like for the MK17
@@Gongrongzong MK17 was also bullshit . Buff the other rifles and don't nerf the only viable one ... !!!
Points are valid. Thanks for the video
Thanks Kale!
I was leveling to WT2 with the M60, not finding my play style, and its then when I found the Mk17 together with the M 700, which was together with the M60 my setup to go since day one. So to clear this up, M60 for fast shooting and M700 for sniping, my playstyle kind of.
Now I am not even running my Hunter 44, as it is for Solo just not good enough. The META now for rifle is Mk17 and Chatterbox, strangely enough.
Basically why the M700 was nerfed was because of the Salty PVP-Community
Yup exactly! It wasn't op at all imo. Half the time you were reloading, or half the time you were pulling out your other weapon cos the enemies were too close
Give the classic m1a a shot. If you build with sharpshooter in mind you can rip heads in pve no problem
Gongrongzong I made a model 700 specific build where I actually used a smg-9 with the talent that decreases reload speed with crits. The model 700 is still the highest damaging sniper per shot but I think the srs maybe my go to for the raid since it can reach almost 100k damage a shot and has a super fast reload to boot
I must admit since the m700 nerf I have not been having fun with the game at all.using lmgs, smgs, ars like EVERYONE ELSE.
Amen....
Before the Nerf everyone used the 700.
@@84bdrussell I mostly remember smg people. Maybe people on PC used the 700
Not fun without being able to one shot everything without even needing a good build?
Take time and make a one shot build instead of crying
I agree with you. Thanks for putting this out there. Do you think Division would be a better game if they just removed PVP?
Yup or actually make pvp specific gear that can be bought through a pvp vendor, that way we can actually seperate the two and have fun in each realm.
Snipers snipe it's a long range weapon that I do like to use more than most but when I get back on after work I guess I have to go testing a few others... Damn, wish they'd stop messing with things after release because the game testers failed to test the game in the first place and highlight the problems, at this point in time we are ALL the testers for their tweaks. (Edit: you gained a new sub, nice vid and totally agree with you on the points raised)
Great video! Totally agree. All of the nerfs only make sense from a PVP perspective but not at all from a PVE perspective. The most popular builds were the SMG crit builds and the one shot sniper builds for PVP. Those were the 2 builds hit the hardest by the nerf. No way this was anything other than a PVP based nerf.
Nerfing something almost never brings balance. Instead why not buff the other weapons to make them more viable. If they want to nerf something nerf the damage those red bar NPCs put out lol.
Buff everything to the roof so every gun is broken and one shots everything, fun? Not really
JAMSTHEWANDERER That’s not all what I’m saying. If one thing outclasses everything else then nerfing it isn’t going to make me want to use the other trash. A buff doesn’t always mean weapon damage, you can change talents as well to make the items more viable.
thanks for the video, you have some very good points covered. My problem with the sniper rifles is the fact that the Dev's have screwed the stats wrong on these guns, where are they getting their info from? a Rem 700 hunting rifle or M44 hunting rifle is a normal off the shelf / over the counter rifle, made by the manufacture as a stock made rifle the only difference would be the caliber of the rifle.
Why is the custom or tactical 700 rifle in the game have lower stats? custom or tactical guns in the real world are generally modified to improve handling, speed, lighter triggers, optimal performance & accuracy, with a box magazine for speed with a slightly higher round count. more time is spent making a custom or tactical rifle then a factory made hunting rifle.
As for the M44 rifle WW2 rifle it was the caliber that was a hard hitting, keep in mind back in WW2 there wasn't body armor & medical help & skill was poor.
Where are you from? Apart from well-articulated points and a real passion for the game (yeah, we can hear that in your voice) you also possess a nice accent I was not able to decipher. Keep up with the good content!
Thank you very much Dumertone! I'm from Singapore :) And yes I love the game very much haha, hope you're having a blast with it too!
pve and pvp should be balanced independent of one another , saying that im yet to find another sniper that hits harder than my model700 but m700 are lot weaker than model variant
Gg on ur analysis
I don't understand why games that want to have PvP and PvE don't have independent gear for each. PvP players will always whine and cry that every gun should be identical to every other gun. PvP players ruined Destiny, and they're trying to ruin the Division 2.
A "fucking" men
the model 700 can still roll higher damage than the hunting m44. but I agree, the nerf hit the model 700 a little too hard.
Should have PvP specific gear. However balance will always be a problem in a looter/shooter/rpg game. The gear and weapons are primarily developed to take on NPCs plus in this game they have pushed it more to a cover based game with a faster TTK.
PVP has nothing to do with the nurf in PVE. The problem here is (as always) that not very many game developers have figured out how to separate the balance between the two game types. Which almost always spells doom for either one or the other on patch days. It's really that simple.
I hope devs see your video. Ceep up the good job
Thanks Luzi :) Appreciate the comment!
Awesome points!!!! Love it! Keep up the good work!
Thanks very much Jim! Will definitely do so :)
Incredibly well delivered message. Total agreement.
I really enjoy your opinions. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks man! Will definitely do so
I want my bolt action back damn it. Got a subscribe for this video... spittin nothing but truth in this
Me too :( But thanks! I appreciate the sub Spy
Like one commenter said, if you’re gonna nerf something cause it’s to strong in pvp but perfect in pve, developers need to find a way to give all weapons a -20% nerf or whatever it may be while Used on players, and keep the full value while shooting NPC’s.
Than edit nerfs/buffs using that system so it’s not completely making an item useless
This is also why I say pvp ruins games. If I want a pvp experience I'll just play siege. I'm not fond of division pvp because of how cheesy it can be.
The conclusion is always the same : The bloody devs are lazy as usual : instead of increase the damage and promote the other snipers in various ways, they just nerfed the M700 to be on par with all the garbage below. This kind of reasonning is indeed worrying because it never ends well...
Point blank, it was a lazy change for the devs. Change one number vs buffing other sniper rifles. Plus the very small amount of PvP players left were crying about being one shot. You know because a sniper rifle kill should not happen against a douche nozzle with a vector, shield, and defender drone.
At least developers are trying to do something with the game. Not like other companies
David Howell agree completely with you! Right now you only run into smg builds in PvP. Sure it am be countered but lol. I’m glad they are active.
The slap to head scene was awesome.
Remember the M1a sniper ...they nerfed that to dead 💀 You are soooo right man !!! Pvp needs to be his own game and they need too leave pve alone!!! It’s the same bs from the first division people cry 😢 because that gun is OP and the developers nerf it and solo players get stabbed in the back..dead
Do yoy think the srs is worth using? And if yes witch variant
Very exact what it is. Amen and sub!
Pvp is the cancer of gaming
pve is cancer more like it. PVE player cried like little bitches in d1 about getting their loot stolen.
bobby viana PvP players cry for changes. When do you see PVE players complain about weapons unless nerfed for PvP play.
@@Dean-ui5js you pve bitches crying that why all work went into pve because all pve players crying about loot getting stolen like little girls.
It was 100% about PvP and anyone who says otherwise needs their friggin head pulled out of their ass.
I totally agree with you. But there is more to it. In the pc edition the headshots are easier than the console. So when you use the M700 the risks are higher and few people were using this gun on console. They changed the way you heal yourself with the chem launcher to a double tap because of the outcry of pc owners. So now in the heat of the game you remain with the launcher in hand and instead of shooting the opponents you heal them!!! Balance is difficult but when you do those changes you better try them a lot before you break a lot of things like the non existence of specialized ammo anymore in the game....
there should be a tier system in pvp like in pve and gear that is ONLY farmable in pvp zones and its only usable in pvp zones ( including weapons). so they could balance what needs to be balanced....
Bravo!
I wish the same was based more on real ammo ballistics. Then the SVD would be similar in damage to the m44 with that 7.65×54r and the 700 would be basically a 6.5 creedmoor. All snipers should be strong af. Shotguns too.
yea..shotguns are really in a sad state. They need some serious serious buffs, or perhaps even a overhaul
I guess I've just had bad luck with semi-auto damage rolls. The model 700 I have is more than double the damage of my svd. That's making it where the semiautomatic one isn't viable either yet. Sad
Yep! All those videos with titles like “Insane 1 Trillion DPS glitch!”
I would agree with you but...picking off enemies from so far away is not risky..its more like the easier way to play...I think the better way to nerf this gun is to limit the scopes that can be placed on it to make further shots harder to do you can also for instance eliminate the use of a 12x scope and limit it to a 8x or make it so the scope you use decrease the damage depending on the scope you use, say a 12x scope will give you a little less damage vs if you use a 8x and so on...or they can just increase reload times that way the 1st hit has to really count ...these are just ideas.
my thoughts exactly...!!!!!!! after the nerf which was right before tidal basin too.. i lost the appetite to grind.. it annoys me soooooo mmuuuccchh... that the devs didnt get this right.. amazing fuck up..
They should buff tanks and skill builds instead of nerfing everything.
Not just the model 700 got nerfed our survivalist and demolitionist both got an ammo count Nerf the grenade launcher used to have 6 with and extra 2 now only an extra 1 with the bow it was 1 with 6 in the quiver now it's 5. I know it's 1 bolt/ grenade but with ammo being already limited on the special guns that extra 1 could be life and death ingame
And by the way I'm pretty sure the damn guys never intended as solo marksman to take on challenging or heroic content
I think the Dev's listen to the PVP players too much, I also think the PVP players do more bitching on you-tube & to the Division forums, which gets more attention by the Dev's. I'm 90% a PVE player & spend about 10% of my game time as a dark zone player farming. I don't really care for Rogue players or PVP game play. This game is starting to piss me off & if the dev's continue to only cater to the PVP gamers and continue to nerf everything because of the PVP side of the game. I'm just going to walk away from this game. I'm now having a hard time doing solo on hard where 7 days ago. I had no problem doing a mission. Also what gives with the special ammo I'm lucky if I see one round of special ammo in 30 minutes. |This morning I played 3 strongholds in a row & one got 1 special bullet.
Sorry to hear that Brad :( I too really hope they don't go down this path again. It is still early in the game though, so let's hope and see!
you are so full of shit if they listen to the pvp players, the ones that keep division 1 then why hasn't their been any update with pvp yet. The game is like it is because of you crying ass pve players crying in D1 about getting loot stolen in dz.
PVE players are soft and slow. They should listen to the pvp players more because the PVE is super easy and takes no skill.
cry a river u pve bitch. walk away then we can get more update for pvp
IMO PvP is affecting PvE. It always has, and despite "normalizations" they are still doing it.
Very reason I personally don't care for PvP in a game that I play for PvE.
Same here Drayus, while I respect the PvPers for what they do, they should keep both parts separate as much as possible
I’m tired of the nerfs already like I get the attachments getting nerfed but tbh it’s becoming so hard to build damage since armor is useless most of the time and if pvp is effecting pve what’s the point of having it separated
What are you talking about bro ? I have not come across any sniper rifle that have a base damage over 100k and I'm in world tier 5 now. My favourite style of play is sniper. Are you telling me there are sniper rifles that have a base damage of more than 100k ? BLOODY HELLLLL !!!! I have a special carbine that has base damage of 96.7k. My Hunting M44 only has a base damage of 92.3k and these are the best I have found since I have been playing which has been almost 2 months now. Oh in case you are wondering, no I dont have the Nemesis ..... yet. Wowwww !!! I must have the worst bloody luck ever then, and I thought I was lucky.
I hate when games fuck up their gear based on pvp bullshit
I agree. The devs don't know what the fuck they are doing. They just nerf nerf nerf everything. I have damage to elites on everything and chaining headshot after headshot amd npcs still wont die
Your problem is you were using the model700 like a scrub lol the real mvp is the SR A1 , dont be fooled by the base dmg the marksman rifle stats are broken. Try the sr a1 and your welcome.
What utter crap, i hit 1.2 million headshots with my model 700 in tier 5, nerf is not bad at all, 147000 base damage
Even bungie can balance pvp and pve differently. ridiculous that a team like ubisoft hasnt. or cant. whichever it is.
PVP in these mixed games always fucks PVE equipment. I think that is why the armour sets are not as cool in Division 2. The flame turret too just sucks balls.
Nerf is the name of the game for the dev team, so instead of balancing the rest of the game they taking a page from bungie playbook. Sad but it is becoming the norm.
Cool video Gong! :)
U da bestttttt
I've been seeing your twitter posts too! hahah
@@Gongrongzong yeah. When I don't have anything to do in WoW and I'm bored I just basically treat WoW like a photography simulator and take screenshots lol.
Not being rude or disrespectful, but PvP is part of the game. PvP players paid the same 60$ that everyone else did. Making their opinions on the game just a valid as yours.
That being said. The model 700 is still the strongest and also still very capable of 1.4m dmg per shot in PvE.
I agree the nerf to model 700 hurt but you can still one shot enemies and players in pvp I can hit over a million with mine in pve and easily one shot in pvp
The latest patch has ruined the game. Almost all of my clan stopped playing. Ubisoft has learned nothing from their mistakes with Division 1 😞
:( sorry to hear that D J. Hope you find others to raid with when its out in a couple of weeks!
I am laughing my ass off because I hate snipers no more one shot. The nerf has nothing to do with pvp because lot of sniper plays don't have enough nuts to come to occupied dz. The nerf was because it hit too hard.
Like WoW, destiny, and TD1, dev nerfed stuff based on pvp... as player that doesn't pvp at all. I left those games (or at least took a long break) when it happened..
This time around, I am gonna stick around for another patch and see if they fix stuff other than nerfing stuff.. (not exactly happy with the mods change) and this sniper nerf(I rarely touch a sniper rifle cuz sniping on consoles is a bit too difficult for me).
Seriously, Massive. Don't nerf stuff... buff stuff instead!
I have a model 700 and do a one shot on elites /on challengechin took a lots of time but it takes lots of time
no u all have it wrong didnt the devs say this new game engine is amazing it lets us keep nerfs and balance between pvp and pve seperate so we dont need to nerf for all and thanks to the tubers for showing us builds that are too strong lol seems like the first game all over again so why be lazy and nerf for both game modes but atleast we can fast travel now and the meta vector now they increase the mag size ffs they havent a clue i think they are trolling us look at the new gear sets the 10% armour for 2 sets doesnt work in pve only pvp atm
All these games make the same mistake no game will ever be able to mix pve PvP it can not work. Needs 2 separate gears skills loot. I'm so ready to make my game for everyone just need to get on it
Didnt they say PVP was going to be balanced Seperatly to PVE
Yep they most certainly did. Which is why I'm really scratching my head as to why the knee jerk reaction nerf to the Model 700. It was already hard to use and highly impractical.
The prob wasn't that they were strong people were farming the level 18 gear mods that were able to be put into any gear slot to increase ether the damage of the smg/sniper/rifle by 5% having a gear mod slot on each gear item. depend on how many mod slot you had you could reach raw weapon damage to about 50% give or take weapon damage ... my rifle build atm using the mk17 is base line 65k damage .. even with the nerf . an not using any cheese 5% weapon mod's .
but yea the game does still feel it is in the balance stage with all weapon's . on a equal playing feild when coming to pvp/pve .
streamer's post vid's on dealing 1mil dps hitting a target dummy who in which doesn't move , an landing a body shot count's as a head shot . so your 1 mil dps is bull shit . i can do over 2 mil dps standing there with my thumb up my butt shooting at a target that doesn't move an counts ever body shot as a head shot lmfao
the Nerf happen because of gum was overpowered the fact that they Nerf it too hard without don't necessarily agree with you had tons of model 700 rifles and they don't seem to be much different than any other sniper rifle however I'm not arguing with your opinion about it I'm just saying I don't agree with it but the gun was nerve because it was far superior to any other sniper rifle just like them 17 on paper was far superior to any other what I like to call combat rifles because they're not sniper rifles there semi-automatic and they don't hit that hard but damn 17 hit harder than most however it wasn't the only choice even before the Nerf the sig was a good choice and hit a little less hard but you get spam it more than you cut down 17 and this is a video game people don't use rifles the rifle class to snipe they aim for the head in a Spam bullets likewise with sniper rifles you're shooting quick and fast fast as you can reload and recycle bin so reload speed are the speed the rack another round in the speed to re sculpt which is probably identical in every scope in the game because you know why I write different code for skull they're still choice you can still choose whatever you want I mean is it really matter you're not going to one shot most bosses in the game going to take multiple multiple bullets anyway so does it make a huge difference if it takes you know six seven bullets over 5 bullets or six bullets I mean not a big deal
I haven't got a world tier 5 m700 since wt5 dropped.
Again have ur own damn select guns for PVP....that shit ruins all weapons in PVE
I thin k you had low rolls on your Model 700. I have a SPAS12 that has 10K more damage than any other SPAS12 I've found since Tidal Bassin.
It's definitely not the highest roll ever, though even with the highest roll it can do now it'll be probably be around 5% more damage than the Hunting M44, which isn't worth it any longer imo
I’ve put my £85 copy In the bin it’s over for pve , pvp always get shit nurffed rather play gta a game that’s 6yrs old !!!!
Yeah right... It wasn't broken.. It just dealt around 30% more damage than the next bolt-action sniper in line. It still is superior to every other sniper rifle. It had to be nerfed because it was outperforming everything else by a large margin. My Model 700 prior to the patch dealt 145K while my second best sniper, a hunting M44 dealt 110K.... If you can't see the need for a change here that's on you. It was a problem in PvP because of the OHK but even in PvE it was so much better than everything else that taking anything else was just stupid.
Now you have some diversity. You can still take the Model 700 for the highest possible damage or the M44 for high damage, less rounds but a quicker reload etc.
Couldnt agree more I still hit a heashot last night around 400k with model 700 ...now I know it's long range but if you cant kill something in one hit people are mad if you kill them in one hit they are mad ...its a losing battle adapt and move on is what I figure
and making pve content even more frustrating. bullshit on you and your reasoning ! buff the other sniper rifles and rifles to be on par with the viable ones and not nerf it to the ground where all weapons become shit ! fuck you old guy. i am an old guy aswell and feel ashamed of you !
My Model 700 on my Sharpshooter still hits Elites for around 730K at long range and 620K at close range due to the Ranger Talent. It's still by far the best sniper in the game when it comes to single shot damage.
So, whats the current highest hitting BA rifle?
Still the Model 700 by far. The video makes it sound like it's been nerfed to the ground but that's not the case. They reduced it's damage by 14% while it was around >30% better than any other bolt-action rifle before. Now there is a bit more diversity and you still go for the Model 700 if you are looking for the highest possible damage per shot.
You just see the surface of what data they have. Your opinion is exactly that.... YOUR opinion.
Majority of people used the m700 and they had the data for this. Just adapt and overcome
"the model no longer puts out enough dmg per shot to be pratical" -- sorry dude but there you miss something, its still the BEST sniper in the game when it comes to one shooting both in pve and pvp
youll prob just unlucky finding a good one :)
it's definitely possible, I am still farming hard for a max roll model 700. But, for a build to work just by needing a maximal rolled gun, doesn't mean the build is viable at all. 90% of model 700s now roll identical damage to a Hunting M44.
i feel you bro.. just getting the rolls on gear is gettin quiet od aswell, it feels like.. i guess waiting for the upcoming changes is good :)
You know, I thought it was just me, but yeah...they butchered the 700.
M700 was too good vs other bolt actions. Yeah it had its downsides, but most of the players just look at the dmg.
Name one game that had 1/8 weapons "Op" and then the devs Buffed the remaining 7 ... Yep, that just doesnt happen.
If one is outlier, it allways gets the nerf.
Yep, what you say is definitely true suoman. My main issue was that the nerf was too hard. It made the weapon obsolete. There was also not much reason for it, as it wasn't overpowered. LIke the nerfs to the MK17, those were proper nerfs that didn't obsolete the weapon. This one however...
Leading me to the only conclusion that it must have been influenced by pvp somehow, though I hope that isn't true
Ubisoft dev's needs to nerf them selves from nerfing are fun gun play
Same shit as division 1 the full game gets ruined because of pvp cause all they do is fucking moan
Is the crying noobs is the main cause that's affect the intire game! It's because these people, all good items become nerfed making a good game become into shit game.
The model 700 nerf was needed. you make it seem as if there was really a need for choice between snipers but there really wasn't. All you needed was a model 700 with ranger. and then a military mk 17 for everything else. The model 700 drop of range was also far enough that there is no real reason to use the hunting rifle. All you would need to do is just move up abit and then boom problem solved. Also lets be real this game is baby tier easy no thinking is really involved. Lastly the nerf was only 8% damage.... its not that much at all. you can easy farm 6% generic mods and counter act that nerf.
To be honest the game is honestly build for PvP. We do PVE to get to PVP. Don't comment here. 💩
@6:28 "...you want to take the one with the hardest hitting bullets..."
Why? Different strokes for different folks...I've never been interested in using/playing with the "best/strongest" team/etc in video games...
Is it that the 700 is now too weak to complete content or just that it has lower damage stats than the M44? I don't use sniper rifles so...but I'm pretty sure one could still complete content even with the nerf.
I've heard a couple of these perspectives and it sounds like the real problem is these nerfs mess with people's _efficiency._ The impression I get is that people aren't really playing the game for _fun_ or the narrative but to reach _efficiency goals_ like being able to finish Heroic missions in less than 2 mins so you can get 1,000,000 items per/hour...the nerf means it takes you 2:15 and you can only get 999,900 items per/hour...
If your priority is to have _fun_ then don't choose weapons/gear based on their stats but on how they look and how much you enjoy using them...if your idea of "fun" is completing content as _efficiently_ as possible...disregard this post.
Excuse my language but what's the fucking point in playing this game? Same stupid shit as division one everything get fucked because of pvp
I think you're forgetting to ask if snipers in general were supposed to be THAT strong. It was the most powerful weapon in the game bar none when it comes to eliminating enemies. They nerfed it a lot because it was just that strong and trivialized the harder content.
i dont feel the nerf was that bad, before i could hit for 1.4million, on a completed 450 build, now im at 1.1 wit an incomplete build, with atleast 25% dmg still to add (10% crit dmg for finishing the set plus a good 15% dmg to elites on a mask plus a further 15% ifi can find some good gear mods, with yet another 15% if i swap from madbomber - for cc - to dmg to elites) my model 700 is around 137k dmg right now with my sr1 sitting at 115k and also capable of hitting 1million dmg hits, right now i find myself swapping between the 2 as they are both viable now, sr1 for constant fire (the faster reloads reall add up) and the model 700 for the smaller slower engagements where i have time to reload.
Ehh??? What the hell are y'all talking about? You can still one shot with the m700. You just can't cheese it like before the nerf. You "actually" have to build into it now.
It's a PvEvP game. Of course PvP is going to affect PvE and vice versa. Can't believe you guys haven't got to grips with that yet.
And as said elsewhere, at least Massive are being proactive in trying to balance the game.
I don’t use the m700 with a scope...problem solved.
Ye, but then it doesn't do enough damage in high level content...it doesnt even do enough dmg with the digital scope.
@@ProSkythe On challenging using any sniper feels very lacklluster, enemies are way too bullet spongies there to make the use of a weapon with a high damage/slow firing rate/very long reload time. Its just not fun anymore.
I can get the sniper back to its vanilla damage, but i can't get it to the damage level i had with the many atributes/talents that i had before.
Since the devs explicitly said they aren't even looking at PVP yet you my friend have no idea what your talking about. Not to include. Model 700 still one shots in pvp. And it's still the be sniper in pve so your points are null and void by those facts alone.
no offence the nerf on the damage is nothing you can still get the damage back with increase damage so i dont see the problem at all
they nerf 13% damage you can get more than that with all increase damage weapon and marksman weapon and some talent and your back to the same 1 shot head shot. I'm not saying the nerf wasn't too much but you can always make a way to get it back and the only reason for this nerf is the community they complain about it so we got it so don't complain I'm not saying its you guy's but better just play the game and enjoy it the community are the reason for this anyway.
No the nerve to the mk17 was not good people will now start using the sig 716 cuz it was the next runner-up and it was already a borderline choice people who actually shot both of them a little bit understood that you could spend the trigger on an MK I mean on a sig 716 and hit your target a lot more frequently than you put on an MK 17 but you did a little less damage with each bullet but since you were hitting more bullets it made now there's no reason to use an MK 17 over a 6 7 16 however in terms of the marksman rifles there are lots of choices of marksman rifles that you can use to do massive amounts of damage and again you're not going to one shot bosses Auto parts in rifle doing 80 to 90 k damage with a hundred and thirty or forty percent headshot plus another you know how much I get off the Marksman specialization you're going to be able to one shot almost all well all purple miles almost all rather already almost all purple Bob's even some elites just not bosses if you can it's probably because you're not setup correctly or you're taking on Johnson way too hard for a solo Marksman
Games not fun anymore when you can't one shot everything and everyone without even needing a good build? Oh poor devs for trying to balance broken guns out.
Instead of making this video or cry on the comment section you should spend the time and put effort into one shotting
No.
Stuff gets nerfed because PVE players cry when they get killed by PVP players.
FACTS
That's as much of a fact as the world is flat
@@Gongrongzong
You must be a PVE casual.
Us PVPers know the truth.
XPG Dack you sound rather conceited.
As a mostly pve player I went into conflict with a famas and super 90 running a crit build on survivalist. It was somewhat effective so you can make more than just sniper and smg crit builds. I also actually like the vector nerf because it actually made the slower firing smgs like the ump45 more viable for both pve and pvp
@@TacoBurgalur
The vector didn't get nerfed.
Go away you filthy casual.
You know nothing.
XPG Dack hmmmm no u. I’ll stay because toxic people like yourself are one of the reasons why people leave the division. And no I’m not a casual, I just jumped into division 2 because my friends played the first game so I jumped from r6s after 3 yrs into d2. Thankfully you’re one of the few cancerous pvp’ers ive come across