@@hansemannluchter643 Don't forget your body has to decay after you die and someone has to pay for those emissions too. You best have children ready to pick up those taxes while simultaneously not having children in order to safeguard the planet for future children that you're not having.
@@daviddunn860 The word government is mind control. It is a spell made up of letters which makes simpletons think it is something good for them when those of us who see a little more clearly through that darkened glass realize, government is one of the most evil institutions on the planet.
according to Google, 4% of cars in Sweden are electric. if that can result in queues of 300 meters long, imagine how long they would be if 25% or 50% of cars were electric in Sweden.
1875m to 3750m, approximately. Although different lengths of vehicles and how closely they queue will obviously have an effect on the length of the queue.😉😉
What people doesn't understand is that this kind of problem will never be fixed. As MGuy said in the video, at least a 4.5 megawatt line (considering dispersion) is needed to provide a 200 Kwh charging rate simultaneously to 20 cars - no one will ever spend the money required for that kind of powerline for a couple of busy days in a given year. Of course, not out of his own pocket I mean: so, tax payers money again!!! or.... charge it to the user. End of story: I'm really sick that I have to pay with my money the cost of the infrastructure for Tesla fanboys or dumb idiots that think they will save the planet with an EV. Just make them pay for it! Stop subsidizing EV sells or charging point installations - and tax every kwh as you charge gasoline or diesel. If Evs are so much better as they constantly say, they will prevail by themself - Subsidizing them just dopes the market.
That info is probably accurate. What a "quagmire"! 🤣 After that l can see an increase in portable gas or diesel powered generators along with fuel containers and trailer hitches so those people can take them with them when they travel.
Imagine if you are in the line up......in cold weather. IF you stay in your car, you are flattening the battery to stay warm. If you leave your car, you cant move up in the line, and your EV still needs to keep the battery warm, or it cant recharge. If your battery goes completely flat, your EV is a brick, unless you get a support company to bring an petroleum fueled generator to warm the battery and then put charge in it. EV's must be the worse idea ever for cold climates.
Live in Canada. Drive an EV. Never had that come close to happening. Nobody I know has had that happen. Maybe EVs aren't for people dumb enough to wait until battery is nearly empty before deciding to charge when temps are frigid. I see people stranded by their gas or diesel refusing to start all the time in really cold temps. Yet to see anyone stranded in an EV because it is cold.
Yep, as someone living in Sweden I am confused by the amount of Teslas. People tend to drive quite long distances here fairly often. Sälen, where these cars were trying to get a charge is a popular ski location for people from Stockholm and Gothenburg. From Stockholm it is a 5h drive, so you can understand why many of these vehicles did not have an option other than waiting. Lots of Swedes have summer/winter houses in isolated locations and need to take their cars out far into locations without proper infrastructure. Absolute lunacy.
I was at a car dealer last week in Sweden. They said due to new tax rules you can not get a new ICE car anymore. The tax is so High that no one will buy them. Even hybrids have got increased taxes. I Said i better hold on to my old petrol car then. Because new tax rules do not apply for my old ICE car (yet). This EV pushing stupidity is beyond all sanity.
The EU wants to stop people repairing their ICE vehicles. Soon, there will be underground wrecking yards and a black market in car repairs. I suppose they will ban the sale of petroleum and diesel to retail users next...
@@RogerSutton-ik9fj For safety, if the connection is broken, the charger immediately cuts power, (some poorly made Chinese EVs excluded). So the copper thieves can still steal the cable while charging. 👌
The reason for the queues in Sweden is because Musk is in dispute with the unions and the union people in the electric company are not connecting the Superchargers. It's nothing to do with the lack of infrastructure. The infrastructure is there but they won't let it work.
@@stephenbirchall941 Right-tah. There's a total of 100 new supercharger stalls that the union hasn't installed across the entire country. How many of that 100 were at this ONE Supercharger location that had the massive queues? Nope, your excuse is pure nonsense. This site had massive queues because many vacationers were told to leave the area, EVs require more energy when cold, they charge slower when cold, and the charge rate drops when the location is full. The same thing happened in Chicago last winter. It's almost as if you didn't watch the video, Elon.
Simon you just have to Capture Chris Bowen and Brainwash him into Dumping his EV scramble. Australians By far Do NOT want EV's they want Petrol or Diesel Vehicles and to be Left the Hell alone.
Yes he is by simply making stuff up to try and convince those sitting on the fence to reject an EV purchase with misinformation and pure lies....One comment endorsed by MGUY said quite simply "EVs are toys and useless if you do more than 10 miles per day" I own an EV and it is by far a better car than the Honda Civic I owned for 10 years previous....I wouldn't call a 2.2 ton car with 305 BHP capable of carrying 5 people in luxury a toy....
My brother in law installs concrete pads for these mega chargers in the U.K. he also has to install another pad 200 metres away to house a big diesel generator which they hide behind planted bushes. The designer told him without the back up it would take 1 Tesla 20 minutes to charge. 2 teslas 1 hour. If all 20 bays then zero teslas to full charge in 24 hours. It seems the mains delivery is not high enough to recharge the storage batteries of the station. Also if they were honest the diesel backup would be much closer to avoid distance transfer losses but then people might notice the reality with a big throbbing diesel next to their green car.
Most EV shills won't notice aside from the occasional smell of diesel fumes, as the transformer station is often louder than the diesel engine powering the generator.
I keep saying the grids in the west don't have the capacity. We sure as hell don't have the generating capacity to do all of this. Especially in this extremely shortened time span. It would take a minimum of 20 years to get out collective grids(western countries) in shape to handle this. Also we would need to cut the red tape and start building nuclear power plants to supply the needed electricity. Wind and solar just won't get it done. What happens if a hail storm knocks out one of the huge solar arrays? What it high winds force the turbines to stop? What I those high winds cause a few towers to fall over? Too many what is and not enough certainty.
Yes! That is all so funny and tragic at the same time. I have seen set ups like that. The problem is not gasoline. The problem is it is not made from hemp seed which makes biodegradable fuel as well as being the most complete vegetable protein on the planet. Thanks jews for making hemp agriculture illegal for so long. Thanks jews for the disgusting polluting oil industry. We have so much to thank jews for.
Yes, Hybrids ie (Toyota's and Hyundai) sales have skyrocketed, diesel and straight petrol also doing particulalry well, EV plodding along, but not setting the sales chart of fire, still represent a small percentage. I guess it will ramp up, but even as a dumping ground for every cheap Chinese EV brand under the sun, there is still only moderate interest.
I could make a video of drivers queuing for petrol at a station in Srilanka claiming this is what happens when you buy an ICE....but I won't because it is nonsense....
What I'm truly sick of is all the government interference via mandates and subsidies. If these nutjobs want to drive an EV, then they can pay themselves to suffer with it. It's all about money at the end of the day, yet these politicians act like they're saving the world. It's ridiculous.
Once again my reply pointing out the certain policies which have been seen to be bad from very concrete examples in the Eastern Bloc etc. was censored... But this is the same. Top-down planning of how industries should be shaped against reality and consumer demand ends in catastrophe.
@@DavidWilliams-ry7nt I'm not a conspiracy driven person, but you are 100% right. With this madness of cars being constantly on-line (why? there's no reason at all for that), it's not more up to you to decide IF you charge, WHERE you go, WHEN you go, for HOW LONG you go. I'm not saying that someone is controlling you, but the scary thing is that they MIGHT do it! Next step: they will tax the recharge as much as they tax one liter of petrol or diesel, making virtually impossible to the average person to own AND use the car freely. And by the way: what if the snowstorm takes down the grid or the mobile signal? You are stuck at minus 20 degrees unable to recharge because your fucking app doesn't work or you dumb-o-phone is broken? Are you joking? The worst thing you could have in a severe weather situation is to have to rely on the electricity grid for your survival...
I live in Sweden. The small village in the clip have about 5.000 inhabitants and is situated along 8ne of the main roads to the swedish ski resorts, Sälen is one of the bigger ski areas. So this situation does not happen once a week, just a few weeks per year so not a chance they would build a more powerful charging station. So count on more ques like these or even longer some weekends each winter... I am so glad I have a car that runs on normal unleaded gas...
Stupidity is the new degree in 2025 and you don't need to go to university to get it. Some people inherit it and some develop it. I wasn't so lucky I developed common sense and risk assessment 😎
Soon you will have to buy one . ICE won’t be on the market new and good second hand ones will be hard to get . Lucky I won’t live to see that he’ll hole
2:09 Just for reference... I work at a manufacturing plant where we do stamping, plating, injection molding, insert molding, assembly and a host of other things like generating a huge amount of compressed air to keeps things humming along. (And I forgot to mention the cooling towers) We work 24/7 and employ around a total of 1000 people covering three shifts. Our MAXIMUM power usage (in summer, with the air-conditioning on and running at almost full capacity) is slightly above 5 MW... (That's also about 3000 households or 1.5 Learjet 60s at full power, if I did the math right) I understand that most politicians and evangelists have no clue what the above means, but for those among you with the slightest understanding of engineering / physics, give that a think.
We have 1 nuclear fission reactor in NL. (Borssele) It came into production in 1973 and has a max generation of 485 mw It was built mainly to supply the aluminum smelting and producing of all sorts for Pechiney which became operational about the same time. Also a lot of other industry there now, bc of deals made around the reactor and cheap electricity. So yes, 5 mw is a lot, but little compared to this. Most carbon power plants are in the range of 5 to 500 mw. I did some math on what such a charging station (just one) takes in energy and compare that to what a central produces or what households consume, but utube doesnt like math anymore, for some odd reason. But indeed, people have little sense of energy. That applies to understanding amounts, but also efficiency, which most seem to have no grasp on at all. They always deal with finances on energy, but that is something completely different than amounts of energy and even more so energetical efficiency.
The issue is that most people do not pay attention in grade school science class and they go down from there in their ability to comprehend any fundamental common sense science. Try having a conversation with a "green" person about electricity and their eyes glass over and they resort to receiting leftist-green rhetoric that makes no sense to anyone but their fellow greenies who are also totally ignorant of science and engineering. That's where we are at.
@shane99ca 5MW is a shit ton of power. No single charging station will invest in the infrastructure, so when a lot of people need to charge at the same time, you will keep on having long lines, at the most inopportune times, like winter.
@@StofStuiverJa, ik begrijp dat, maar een individueel station zal waarschijnlijk niet willen investeren in de infrastruktuur voor een 5MW aansluiting als hun winstmarges heel laag zijn.
For our Christmas holiday instate and to test out an electric vehicle, we decided to hire a Polestar two, as no one in our family has driven or lived with an electric vehicle. On a day trip from our accommodation to our destination that we decided, it was around 250 km one way. 70-80% being highway. Someone had to miss out on the planned activities as once we arrived, they had to take the car to find a charging station and top up the battery so we had enough range to return to our accommodation in the evening. As the charging station didn't have any fast chargers and there was a line-up, they weren't able to fully charge the battery by the time everyone had finished the planned activities and were ready to leave. On our return journey and showing plenty of range to cover the distance, the battery got down to 2%, as the car was overestimating the range, so it made the last 10 minutes of driving back to our accommodation very scary. Once plugged into the standard 10 amp wall outlet, it took around 30 hours to fully charge. After this electric vehicle experience, everyone in our family is planning to keep their ice vehicles for as long as possible.
And people are concerned to leave there appliances on standby, being power conscious, but charging a massive battery at high amps is ok ! Critical thinking is non existent.
I totally get it; I’m a petrol head coerced into driving a Polestar 2 currently(no pun intended!) As I haven’t forked out for a high current home charger I’m at the mercy of ‘motorways service’ style pricing on all public chargers The difference is shocking (pun intended) Home overnight can be as cheap as 4 to 9p kwhr I’m paying in the region. Of 74 to 85p kwhr😮😮 Using a budget 13a socket is really really slow as mentioned. It’s a great car per se - soulless but stupidly (and needlessly) quick
A friend and I had a discussion about his new EV vs my ICE as he said my car made noise. I said that when he took me for a drive it sounded like his wheel bearings were shot as we had to virtually yell at each other due to tyre noise. He showed me how good it was each time he put his foot down and I asked how much did he reduce his range. When I looked up his performance his car went 0-100 in 7.5 vs my 8 seconds. I said considering your car was twice my price it should be a lot quicker. He tried to say how much money he was saving but that was shot down as I said my car cost me less than 30 thousand while his cost over 75 and seeing as I only go through about $60 per month in fuel and with his insurance costing twice of mine and adding in maintenance cost it would be about 12 years for him to break even. He said but his was not producing CO2 and I worked out that how much electricity was produced in Australia dived into how much CO2 was produced by power generation and per kilometre mine made about 140gr per kilometre compared to his 271 grams. I told him don't come to a battle of brains unarmed.
And don't forget the open pit mines and when the battery life is over it must be recycled safely using a large amount of fossil fuels. And then add the charging station that all ev's must use, EV's do have 3 tail pipes,,,,,,And then his house insurance could be cancelled, having an EV around his home,,,,,,,,,,,,,
that sound like a miserable friend to have, sound like he is trying to morally knock you down on the virtue of having an EV. I doubt he will last long.
And this is before the end of subsidies, and before a road tax for EV's are finally implemented. At some point it has to happen. all that extra weight and more aggressive starts and stops definitely causes more wear on our roads. Yet it's only us with petrol and diesel cars who pays road tax.
The gas lines of 1979 weren't that long! Did you see the terrorist in New Orleans, who killed 14 people and wounded 30 others used a Ford F150 Lightning because it was heavier and had ridiculous acceleration.
are you trying to say that EVs are bad because they have higher performance than an ICE car?...thats like saying performance cars should be banned because they are too fast...
It's all about control to limit your ability to travel. The government wants you confined to a certain area. God forbid you have to move somewhere for a job or a promotion. What about getting away from a natural disaster?? At least with my ICE I can carry extra fuel and double or triple my range. What are EV drivers going to do when the grid goes down??? People will start dieing because of this. What will the government say then? "Well they made their choice."
Eventually you will need a separate circuit from your home elctricty to charge you car. The government will then be able to regulate when you can charge, how much it will cost, how much you can have . During lockdowns you might not get any.
Many homes do not have the additional capacity to charge at anything beyond a small trickle of what is needed. (Unless you have days available to charge). Where I live most people have no place to park let alone charge.
This happened last winter in Chicago. Cars died and became disabled waiting in line. People had to abandon them or freeze to death. It took nearly a week to clear out. Officials and the press tried to hide it but it got out. Lots of angry victims hit social media.
Let me guess-not one of these people had charging facilities at home. EVs do not currently make sense for anyone who doesn't have a garage or driveway. Give it another ten years-and rescind those gas car bans while you're at it.
@@yamamancha Silicon Valley is notorious for one-sided censorship. I'd say the game is almost up, however; those who double down on woke tend not to fare well in the long term.
not if you are a climate cult member, wasting your life in a queue cuz the world will end in .... checking current prediction .... 6 months, is truly scary.
Last summer we had a laugh. The queue to get to a charging station where there were just 3 chargers at the end of the motorway. Are we there yet? Sorry kids, it will be another 7 hours. Why can't we have a petrol car like normal people?
Aussie here, I live in the country and have had zero to do with EVs until recently.. Was in Perth and waiting for a mate who was shopping, parked next to about 5 charging bays for about 1.5 hours. What I saw was people swearing and stuffing around with apps, checking the time and charge amounts, couples arguing about where and when they had to be, how much charge readings, etc, looked highly inconvenient to me, and as for heating the car in freezing weather, how does that work ?????
@@again5162; aaaah shame man (about your parents) 👍🏻 you didn’t bring them up properly …… Oh Wait ……. 🤪 😂😂😂😂😂 ! And as the fights 🥊 for Charging ⚡️ Rights Break Out 🥊 ! And as you Extension Cable 50 metres down the Road , some MF Unplugs you, and uses your electricity While You Sleep 😴, or is that ……. TRY TO SLEEP ?
For those of you from outside the US, we have a gas station chain called Buc-ee's. Many have over 100-petrol (gasoline) pumps along with Diesel as well. Now they have added a few token EV charging stations. They are in the south of the US and they are massive.
Swedish state media just covered a story about a guy surprised about how easy it way to take the EV to the Swedish mountains. Swedish state media is more woke and leftwing than anything else (and tax funded with requirement by law to be neutral, which is insane since they never are, but claim to be of course). They always push the leftwing narrative. Guess they wont cover this story...
@@oscarw9889 as sealevelrisinggurus who all live in expensive beach properties acquired really cheaply due to their CC (33) scam. Obama - just recently had a top end resort for his super rich ILK built on the beach in Hawaii and the other 2 gurus AlGore and JKerry both live on the beach in Martha's Vineyard.
Ev diapers will be the new fashion trend for those waiting to charge in long ques with limited restroom acess. Imagine the smell in the car after a 6 hr wait and having to stand in the cold to plug your car in with a loaded diaper. It warms my heart to see such piety
Someone who doesn't do their research. EVs make a lot of sense for some people, and none at all for others. Availability of home charging, robustness and availability of local public charging, local climate-all are factors to consider.
@@oldblack15 I live 500m from YSSY airport, effectively the very middle of Big Sydney, and whut? How it makes evs better here? In 3km radius my diesel vans can be refueled in 5 petrol stations, and (I specially checked map) there are only 4 small (22kw) public chargers, including those in IKEA carpark.
They just can't admit that they spent so much money on a new car driving an EV. And then it's hard to get rid of it because they depreciate so much to simply turn around and sell it. They are truly stuck with that stupid battery car. But they want everyone else to buy and drive an EV, so that they don't look so stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,
EVangelists have a conflict of interest. The monetisation of their UA-cam channels, so they have to stay the course or lose credibility. Fortunately for them, there are many consumers who lack knowledge and/or can't think for themselves. I don't believe I've ever heard of an EVangelist admitting he's wrong about anything regarding EV's. EV's good, ICE bad; that's the mantra.
That was 40 vehicles in queue. In that weather, you're looking at 3x-10x advertised charging times. That's the kind of conditions that can lead to people finding themselves in a life-threatening situation.
@@fredfred2363 With that many vehicles charging simultaneously in that cold, they could be getting below 20kw charging. That would mean nearly 3 hours to get a Model 3 from 10% up to 80%. Then you think about the range decline in that weather. 30% or more. 45 mins is only for people who just need to travel just a short distance. Some of those people will be stuck there for hours and hours.
Yep, the cars at the end will have to wait 3 hours before even getting a charger and 3 hour idling with heaters on in traffic while queueing will mean they'll have to push the car to the charger 🤣
I remember in the fuel crisis in the late 70's when you could only buy gas every other day, depending on your license plates last digit being odd or even. They should try that for EV's.
@@martinwalker9234 In other words, your travel range is half a charge from home. If you actually want to go anywhere, you are going to need to use a charging lot, just like all the nice folks in the video who have no choice but to sit in queue because they are more than half a charge from home.
I drove past a line of EV’s recently not as long as that around 10-15 in my Commodore SSV 6.0 and I made sure to take my time to look each of them in the eye and smile. It’s the little things in life that keep you going 😊
I watched the EV evangelist saying how well the EVolution is going in the UK. He is misinformed. Large towns and cities in the UK have row upon row of terraced houses with free for all parking, large blocks of flats. Charging an EV if you live in one of these homes is more than challenging. There will not be enough power in our grid system by 2035 to sustain the EV and heat pump roll out. The National Grid have admitted that.
National Grid have publicly stated that they must perform the largest infrastructure project in history in order to satisfy the needs of EVs. But they love it, since they get permission from government to charge private consumers (homes, businesses, factories) more for transmission costs to cover those tens of billions in costs! All this just increases their revenues, increases their power in society, their ability to lobby, and increases their share price for their shareholders.
Most Brits don't even know that National Grid is a privately owned, multinational, for-profit corporation. They have successfully given the false impression that they would be some public entity or part of the government which does all this 'for the greater good'. National Grid used to sell natural gas all over the world until they realized this EV and 'green' thing is their path to huge profits and they sold off their other businesses to pretend to be 'green'.
In my village the nearest charger is around 2 miles away. The local council wont let you trail wires across pavements so no charges to be fitted at home if no driveway. Theres a few dozen EVs here but they are mainly leases or work vehicles or the poor Disabled people who can only get EVs as a disability car now. Oh and a few well off older people who have bought theirs but thats a v small amount. Also if you have a council house the charger wire is not to go over a path thats on the property if you have a driveway.
Hello Simon, I really must get out more. I went back and counted the cars in that queue and there were 37. Absolutely raving bonkers. I wonder how many got stranded when the batteries went flat because they had the heaters on? The sad irony is the ICE tow truck used to recover them. Ho, ho, serves the bloody well right for thinking they can save the planet.
Here in Chicago last year a cold snap caused the same issue, all the down Teslas were towed away by a diesel burning tow truck and taken to a natural gas heated facility for repairs.
usually they also add ''I lost time but I save money since electricity is much cheaper than petrol', never cross their mind that one everybody use EV power grid under crazy pressure and everybody will suffer electricity price crazy hike
"and I never have to service it" well, they have complex cooling systems for the battery and probably a/c cabin filters. I wouldn't buy one second hand, especially given this strange view that they don't need to be serviced. If that cooling system goes, like all cooling system eventually do from lack of maintenance - good luck
@@thesolver1970 Just think of the peace of mind. My local, trusted mechanic has my car up on the ramp for oil change, while the old is draining he completes an underside check. Then under bonnet check while refilling the engine.
The issue of having access to enough charging power is becoming a real problem in Australian apartment complexes. Our city & inner-suburban residents are rushing out to purchase EV's, because their short trips are more suited to EV's, but when those residents attempt to get a charge point put into their apartment carpark they discover they can't because the apartment complex doesn't have enough inbound power to service many of the units. It's actually funny hearing about body-corporates melting down with irate residents who run head-first, Wile E. Coyote style, into the realities of physics.
Yep. A EV home charger draws similar power to an electric shower (but unlike a shower will run non-stop for hours at a time). Realistically, installing one for an apartment/flat might be doubling the available capacity for it, hence if they all have one (which would seem to be what people are being sold as "the future") for the complex. A relatively small complex of say 10 flats would need an additional safe minimum of well over 100kW. Most of the denizens you're referring to don't have the faintest idea how much juice that is (ETA or just generally don't have the faintest idea).
There's also the danger of charging EVs (or even allowing them to park) in an enclosed apartment carpark. Many of them are beneath the apartments, and that's extremely dangerous for the apartment dwellers in the case one bursts into flames, as has happened many times (documented on this channel.)
Praise Be to the folks who are still driving vehicles from 10 or more years ago. keeping what was made in use. not demanding something new be made that isnt good and is in the end a massive waste of earths resources...
At the golf club near to me there are 5 charging stations and about 200 normal parking spots. The first few EV's tae the charging stations and park there for at least 6 hours (= warm up + 18 holes + 19th hole). If all cars were EVs the charging infrastructure would need to be so massive and so redundant that it will be unaffordable. Every overnight parking spot would need to be a charging station. EVs/Net zero is catching a fast train in the wrong direction.
During the holiday break, I stopped at a motorway service. The EV (non Tesla) chargers were full and there were a number of EV drivers pacing around or sitting in their cars just waiting for a charger to become available. Plus EV drivers driving past looking frustrated (well they were shaking their head). I would not want to waste my time on this activity, many better things to do with my time.
Home charging A wall connector can be used to charge at home. Charging times vary by the power rating of the charger: 3.6 kW: Takes 21-27 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full 7 kW: Takes 11-15 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full 22 kW: Takes 5-6 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full AC charging The Tesla Model S can charge at a maximum of 17 kW, taking about 7 hours to charge from 0-100%. DC fast charging The Tesla Model S can charge at a maximum of 250 kW, taking about 30 minutes to charge from 10-80%.
Funny, as an engineer, I once owned a hybrid. The mileage on the vehicle was no better on the highway than a similar ICE car. The savings in day to day driving were there, but not impactful. I also always dreaded if the battery would go bad but yet never worried about major repairs on ICE cars which were almost nonexistent in the 40+ years, I have had cars. . In the end, I found the experience just “meh” and stayed with ICE. In fact, I drive a mid size SUV and may opt to go even larger with my next purchase in 5 years. My ICE SUV is 12 years old. I’d rather be safe and comfortable and pay a little more for gas if that fallacy is true. Gas is just over 5% of my monthly spending budget anyway so there are better places to cut (like eating out too frequently).
I don't know where they think the power comes from for these ev chargers, but every watt is taken from the grid that supplies homes, industry and commerce. As the numbers of evs grows, the demand on the grid increases. Who is building the power infrastructure to support this impost? As a homeowner and taxpayer, I certainly don't want my taxes and utility prices going up to support someone else's use of evs.
They sure aren't here in California, they keep shutting down plants here. Most of our electricity now comes from out of state at a premium, it's so f'd.
From my post: The really hilarious thing in Sweden is that the grid is so bad that they have introduced a power charge based on the maximum kw you use at peak. This means that you pay heavy extra fees for charging your car at your 11kw box, especially while running the cooker/washer/dryer or your heating! The authorities recommend a maximum of 3.1kw during the small hours to avoid these peak charges. Quite insufficient to charge a car , especially while cold. This means you will no longer be able to charge cheaply at home for many people! Then there is the question that if the grid is already having difficulty meeting demand, what will even more ev chargers do to this?
Its non viable m8. Sooner or later they will realize that. A load of people needs to freez to death first, before their brain starts to work. I mean; my 8 brandnew big solar panels do about 2kw in summer in NL. He's talking 250 kw max, 26 chargers. But of course they dont have the 6.5 mw that would be that. A carbon powered electricity plant delivers anything from a couple of mw, to 100's of mw. As an average you can say 50, or 100. (big size differences) That means that for this one charging station, you need 1/10 or 1/20 of the electricity generated by a carbon fueled power plant. Or as for solar energy. This is winter, with low sun (if its clear at all, which we hardly have had in NL last 3 months and this produces next to nothing) and very short days. In NL, its not even 8 hours of daylight. Sweden, much further north, will have days of 4 hours light. But lets say its summer and optimal, so my solar panels do about 250 watts each. Lets say they have 250 kw, bc thats probably more realistic than thinking they have 1 mw. 250 kw, means about 1000 of the big solar panels that are on my roof. If its really 1 mw, then 4000. In summer. For 1 charging station, that cannot even keep up, considering the huge line there. And then consider that in Sweden its 5% of cars being EVs. Suppose its half. Thats 10 times as much. You can then multiply everything above by 10. There is NO way this is possible. Its not even possible as is. So the entire idea is negated already. Its just not possible. Consider that i calced it for summer. In winter, solar does nothing here. In fall and spring, a little. For a country like Sweden, or NL too, this is completely impossible. Maybe it would work a bit in Spain, or further south, but not in most of Europe. So, the only way it can work, is if its powered by big carbon based power stations. What was the reason again for EVs? Once we have nuclear fusion reactors, then it might be viable. We still dont.
@shane99ca or just possibly ... ensuring one has a good enough network and NOT closing perfectly good reactors without having a replacement ready or even planned...
If I was in that town, I would have several powerful portable diesel generators on a large trailer and turn up to the back of the queue to do a brisk business😀
Oh god, the money to be made!! You could pretty much ask anything you wanted. Put a couple of cold whiney kids and a nagging wife in that car, and a fella would give you the moon, lol. Brilliant......
If their gov't is stupid enough to be pushing EVs on their people, they're also stupid enough to make that excellent idea illegal. It really does seem like they're trying to kill people, or at least keep them from traveling!
It is a rather good idea. Honestly, if your property is a good location you could probably make a decent profit by installing a charger for the public, but I suspect that the government and utility company would regulate it into bankruptcy. It would actually, be the only way to save the whole notion of universal EV ownership if you had a dozen public charging stations per block. However, I suspect, the main goal is to have no cars for the Plebs.
Another huge issue is that a cold battery takes a really long time to warm up to a safe temperature for fast charging. Usually over an hour for actual good speeds if it was sitting in a parking lot at work in -15C all day. So when you get off work, decide you want to charge before the storm hits, go over ti the charger, there just isn't enough time to get the battery warm enough so you end up with a still frozen battery at the charger which takes 20 minutes or so connected to the charger before you even get actually charging. Kyle from Out of Spec did this as a test run by parking a car right beside a charher overnight and plugging it in cold... It took 45 minutes to warm the battery enough to even START charging and even then it started at 20kw, which would take about 3 hours to charge the car. As it got warmer it was able to actually charge the car, which means somethi g that should have taken 20-30 minutes took an hour 30 instead which just compounds the problem of everyone wanting to top up their car before the storm hits.
@gerbre1 Yes, that's what I explained in the post. The problem is that if a car was sitting outside in your work parking lot it's going to take a couple hours to do so from well below freezing. So it won't be ready if you leave work and turn on preconditioning and drive to a charger to be ready for the storm.
@@Snerdles You don't need to charge with a cold battery. In extrem cold you charge when the battery is warm after driving for some time and use preheating.
Teslas will 'condition' (heat up) the battery to prepare it for fast charging with its aptly named "Afterburner"...which uses 7kW of power! Bjørn Nyland showed in practical winter tests that Teslas can use that heater for over 30 minutes before and during the charging! 7kW is about half of what the car's consumption is while driving according to the on-paper numbers! So they're consuming half of what cars driving home are consuming, all while just sitting there for who knows how long...PLUS the energy used to heat up the cabin...PLUS then after that they have to actually drive home! 'Efficient'!
When I was a young man newly into the workforce, I recall we had a big snow storm late in the afternoon. Its the kind that public works usually has trouble getting ahead of. Well, it was 5pm and we could see the roads below us from our office were grid locked as well as one of the main bridges out of the city. It had been like this for over an hour. One of the older guys casually mentioned that some of those cars would start to run out of gas soon and really mess things up. I think of that every time I hear about modern EVs. They have far less range and consume more "fuel" just sitting there with the heat on. We are going to see a real tragedy somewhere related to a snow storm. Its only a matter of time.
And this is from a country that has gone all in on EVs. They again prove there is nothing as reliable and dependable as an ICE vehicle and a fuel station.
LOL all of a sudden the EV zealots are quiet, what happened to your superior EVs, they been preaching about how convenient and reliable they are and how fast they go, they don’t go that fast at the charging stations do they. Hahahah
Fast? Anytime i travel here in Germany on the Autobahn, i see them on the right lane. Making a top speed of 100/110 KMh per hour, some even stick to the back of a truck. Still they preach, how superior and as fast as a normal car those toys are.
@@MrDiesal666 Why should i care about a country at the literal other side of the world? Why not north korea, no cars at all for the regular joe. Or Somalia, no big roads at all and most drive in 30 year old beat up ruins. Really no point for me in this one. Also your country is so big, that the use of aircraft for long distances is common, even for private persons.
I was thinking of buying an EV in UK but have changed my mind. Range anxiety and recharging queue is something I want to avoid. Getting battery anxiety from my smartphone was bad enough, really do not want it in my car.
This Sunday, we had a little snow over here in Derbyshire and Yorkshire. As a 64 year old ex coal miner. I was enjoying driving my daughter to work over the tops from Derbyshire into Yorkshire. I'm astounded by how many people have zero clue on how to drive in snow. I waited patiently at the top of hills as cars drove slowly down the hill and within yards getting stuck trying to climb the hill in front of them. I even had cars pass me because they were too inpatient and did exactly the same as the others before them. Once i could see my route, i drove down and up the other side without much slipping ,doing this all the way to Yorkshire and back home all toasty in my basic Ford kuga. I saw several electric cars with their drivers wrapped up. I presume they had the heating switched off ? I lost count of how many cars both ice and electric cars were abandoned or stuck by the side of the road .Now i learnt to drive in snow in the late 70s / early 80s. This was when we had harsh winters. Oh, and i always knock off the traction control ! I love the smile i get from my daughter on how i just get to the destination and home , all because i use my grey matter . I don't feel much regret for two women who were stuck and tried to wave me down in hollows and on uphill sections either. Equality is a bugger isnt it, ladies ? If you have no clue on how to drive with confidence in snowy conditions, people. Stay at home !
Same as me I'm 49 and pretty good in the snow, but allot of people just Don t know how to drive in the snow 😂😂😂 I was one of 2 cars to get to my house is located (at the top of a large hill). They littery have no clue....
@huwtgriffiths4448 It really does blow one's mind with how people who have no clue are scared and have zero confidence in driving at best of times ! Take care, me duck. Have a great new year .
@greg5639 it is mad, I live near the brecon beacons and there's allot of hills 🤣 I was just shocked how people were driving and really had no clue on approaching a hill, I must have drove past 5 cars skidding about while I happily drove past 🤣😂🤣 one was a Volvo xc90. I agree if you Don t feel confidant driving in the snow Don t go out.... Plus a few years back I hired a 4x4 in Iceland and the weather was insane... Take care bud.
Why do they need to name all of these damn storms now? For 50 years we only name hurricanes or Nor'easters. WTF are the naming every little storm that comes along? Also, why are they hyping all of these storms to sound 10X worse than what they actually are?
This is Sweden with "only" 4% EV's, at 8% we're gonna see people freezing to death in those lines. The blizzard has started and the army is already rescuing EV shills who's been stranded. 🤡🌎
@@kennethboyer2338 I think some of these storms are genuinely more dangerous to EV shills who put themselves into dangerous situations for seemingly no reason. Even though we did have worse storms back in the days. But back then everyone also drove very reliable petrol cars, so even if traffic stopped, at least people could stay warm for days if they needed to.
@@kennethboyer2338 They're all named to frighten people, so they'll believe the global warming BS. This so-called 'climate crisis' is a non-event, so they've got to use propaganda or no one would fall for it.
2:00 What's worse, is you have no idea if you're charging with dirty electricity (you know, the kind that air conditioners use) or clean electricity (the kind that EVs use).
If ALL petrol/diesel vehicles (including trucks/lorries) were replaced with EVs, global oil consumption would only drop by 10%. A huge study was conducted for this. Oil is used for so many things apart from fuel. Wind turbines need ~120 litres of oil every 6-9 months and are manufactured, commissioned and maintained with diesel vehicles.
One thing which never seems to get mentioned is the tyre rubber issue. We are told a lot about 'micro plastics in the oceans' etc, but I suspect a lot of that includes particles from rubber due to tyre wear. Tyre rubber is also apparently carcinogenic, so it's not really something you want to be breathing in. Electric cars wear their tyres out more quickly due to their weight, so the benefits of them pose some real question marks, as does the (apparently) deliberate act of ignoring the tyre rubber particle pollution issue in general.
Most of them are from Stockholm, going back home from their vacation homes in the mountains. The reason they stop in this small town of 5000 people is because it's the only town within 200km that has any type of charger. I aslo strongly doubt those are really 200kW chargers, adding up to 5MW in total, because 5-10MW is all the power available in that whole town most likely. 🤡🌎
This is whole reason we have to put up with low wattage light bulbs, so that we can hardly see to read, and why the wattage of vacuum cleaners and washing machines is strictly limited. Farce doesn't really cover it.
You are making this up....here in Thailand I can buy high wattage bulbs easily, my vacuum cleaner is 2kw and the ability of a washing machine is not linked to how much power it consumes....it depends on the design and manufacture of the product.
@@martinwalker9234I would presume the commenter is in western Europe as that is what we have here "to save power and save the planet", so people elsewhere can have vacuum cleaners that work😊.
The one near me is always lined up, even in the middle of the night. That's when all the Uber drivers charge, as well as companies with fleets. The best time to go and charge is actually between 9-11 am.
When I briefly had my EV (which I bought just because I want to experience all sides of motoring) the biggest joy was sitting at a charging station far from alternates, and have a Tesla drive up to me to ask if I'm going to be long. I'd tell them yes, I just got here and I'll be here for ages and I'd see their lip start to quiver as they drove off to find some faraway or extremely slow alternative! 🤣 🤣🤣
@ghunt9146 If the authority had not gone out and advised against getting an electric car if you live in these areas, people would have had to learn the hard way.🥶🥶🥶
@pistonburner6448 I don't know anything about that, but they are starting to wake up now and start to understand that electric cars cannot replace real cars.
I have an electric car that is used as a city runabout and never does more than 50km a day. But I still have a petrol car for long drives . It all comes down to planning and being honest with yourself how you plan to use the car. If people think that it can be used for long trips over holidays, they are fooling themselves as can be seen in the video.
We'll find out soon, the blizzard has just started and the clip was from yesterday. Anyone who hasn't charged yet is basically gonna be stuck there waiting for the armed forces to show up in a bandwagon to rescue their fat asses and their clown car. 🤡🌎
Where I live in the UK we have a local Shell filling station. There used to be 10 gas pumps and 3 EV charging spaces. Local EV owners boycotted the garage by parking their EVs at the pumps, blocking ICE car owners from using them. Wind forward a couple of years and Shell has redeveloped the station so there are now 11 EV charging points and just 4 gas pumps. Whenever I go there now there are 1 or 2 ICE vehicles queueing for the pumps but I have never seen more than 2 EVs charging at any one time.
They all might as well go back to Horse & Buggy, at least it's reliable, recharge is a bit of grass under the shade of a tree, you reach your destination and the horses know their way home. Feel free to go modern & add a drink & phone holder to sit your soy lattes. 😂
@@GrandHeresiarch I was reading a local history text and they had a copy of a letter from some senior official during the colonial days who was pleased that cars and trucks were becoming prevalent, and horses were less and less. He was pleased because there would be less pollution. I honestly didn't know why he would say that until I was in the capital one day watching the police mounted branch parading the streets as part of the opening ceremony for Parliament. Large loads of smelly crap were left on the road - with only five or six horses. Imagine if everyone had one. lol.
@@markusgorelli5278 Ahhh...yes... the good ol'days that the greenies want to take us ALL back to. We would once again have streets full of horse crap which points to the huge problem of having to grow acres and acres of horse feed, then we would have to transport that hay and oats etc., to thousands of stables required because millions of people will still be requiring food and stuff to be transported. We are talking human survival here, but we have morons running the country along with liars incapable of admitting they are completely wrong about most things in life. Why are we putting up with these fools?
It's time for Elon Musk to publicly admit that EVs are a failed idea. If he still wants to bs about the pretend global warming then that is at his peril, but the least he can do is speed up the process of halting this EV farce for the good of the nation and for the people who do NOT want these failed vehicles. The owners of these cars should have to drive out to an area where there are windmills and charge their EVs batteries using the energy from their "new green sustainable energy sources". Perhaps they could build a bonfire out there with some tents available and a few hot-dog stands to tide them over. The idea of reducing all of us back to some primitive lifestyle is cruel madness. Sick and tired of this Kabuki Theatre. Thanks MYGUY.
Tesla model Y was the Best selling carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 🎉🎉 CYBERTRUCK = Best selling EV pick-up truck in USA 🎉🎉🎉 Yes, Elon is WRONG! 😂😂
My friend borrowed a Tesla to drive about 200km roundtrip. I drove this route last week in my old mazda diesel, and even with snowploughs on the road it was less than 3 hours. With the Tesla delivered to her with a low charge, she then has to charge it up 45 mins at least (assuming there is a free spot, which often there isn't), then charge it up again on the return trip to deilver the car with some charge for the owner. This adds at least 1.5 hours to (what is in fair weather a 2.5 hour trip). With some waiting for a spot, this can quickly become a 50/50% trip. Half the time driving, half the time waiting. Meanwhile, my old car can do about 1000km highway driving on a full tank which is filled up in a few minutes. The EV crowd are all excited when the weather is good and there is ample room for charging. However, winter here in Scandinavia quickly shows the folly of it all. On a blocked ,snowy mountain road, i can idle my car and have heating for days on end if necessary. EV owners quickly realize they need to choose between staying warm or going home.
So how'd you die?
-Froze to death waiting to charge my EV. Truly i was saving the planet.
Well, that IS an effective way to reduce your Co2-footprint to ZERO.....
And you'llz diez a hero, from Klaus with Luv!!!
I hope you refused to decompose.
@@hansemannluchter643 Don't forget your body has to decay after you die and someone has to pay for those emissions too. You best have children ready to pick up those taxes while simultaneously not having children in order to safeguard the planet for future children that you're not having.
Want to beLIEve and help save the planet? Learn to skip breath.
When you car determines how you manage your day, you are now its subject.
Well said!
Exactly.
It's not the car it's government you are subject to.
@@daviddunn860 The word government is mind control. It is a spell made up of letters which makes simpletons think it is something good for them when those of us who see a little more clearly through that darkened glass realize, government is one of the most evil institutions on the planet.
You are controlled by the government that pushed that EV on you.
It's great to see the EV owners getting together like this, what a nice community!
Since you cannot turn the car heater on you can huddle together with all your new friends to keep warm
Yes, a gullible community of suckers!!
I identify as non EV 🤣🤣🤣
A "Single Line Community". And they would all be Swearing like there's no tomorrow.
For every EV purchased, a “cold weather kit” is included.
Doesn't the sight of that queue just bring a smile to your face 😀.
The word is Schadenfreude 🤣
😂for me yes, I just started a portable charging tow truck business, powered by diesiel
Not really because we are all heading that way unless enough people speak out.
Definitely a Far Queue moment for me
@@again5162 Good idea, but 'they'
will find a way to shut it down. 😄
Is there a difference between gullible and stupid? There's no cure for either.
Starvation which is a common theme amongst socialist/communist societies.
P.T. Barnum would have made billions selling EV's.
It’s stupid to manoeuvre a petrol car in a car park when there are hybrids, plug-in hybrids and 100% electric cars
Ignorance is bliss... for the rest of us, it's a pain in the ass.
@@stephenbagwell8275 How is it 'stupid'? Perhaps he was confirming his good choice with an ICE.
It’s not about climate it’s about control and money, ours.
This is how they will control the citizen's movements. Limit electricity to our cars.
@@althunder4269Tesla workers are on strike for over a year now. That’s the only limit.
@@althunder4269 nah, that's just dumb. This is not electric car specific, but yes, they want control
Did somebody forced you to buy that?
GW/CC is a grift by unscrupulous scientists and corrupt politicians. The news media is also in on it.
according to Google, 4% of cars in Sweden are electric. if that can result in queues of 300 meters long, imagine how long they would be if 25% or 50% of cars were electric in Sweden.
1875m to 3750m, approximately. Although different lengths of vehicles and how closely they queue will obviously have an effect on the length of the queue.😉😉
What people doesn't understand is that this kind of problem will never be fixed. As MGuy said in the video, at least a 4.5 megawatt line (considering dispersion) is needed to provide a 200 Kwh charging rate simultaneously to 20 cars - no one will ever spend the money required for that kind of powerline for a couple of busy days in a given year. Of course, not out of his own pocket I mean: so, tax payers money again!!! or.... charge it to the user.
End of story: I'm really sick that I have to pay with my money the cost of the infrastructure for Tesla fanboys or dumb idiots that think they will save the planet with an EV. Just make them pay for it! Stop subsidizing EV sells or charging point installations - and tax every kwh as you charge gasoline or diesel. If Evs are so much better as they constantly say, they will prevail by themself - Subsidizing them just dopes the market.
That info is probably accurate. What a "quagmire"! 🤣 After that l can see an increase in portable gas or diesel powered generators along with fuel containers and trailer hitches so those people can take them with them when they travel.
@@kirk5030 maybe they'll start measuring the length of queues in megawatts?
@@kirk5030Did you just do the maths or blag it?
I’m impressed either way.
Imagine if you are in the line up......in cold weather. IF you stay in your car, you are flattening the battery to stay warm. If you leave your car, you cant move up in the line, and your EV still needs to keep the battery warm, or it cant recharge. If your battery goes completely flat, your EV is a brick, unless you get a support company to bring an petroleum fueled generator to warm the battery and then put charge in it. EV's must be the worse idea ever for cold climates.
Live in Canada. Drive an EV. Never had that come close to happening. Nobody I know has had that happen. Maybe EVs aren't for people dumb enough to wait until battery is nearly empty before deciding to charge when temps are frigid.
I see people stranded by their gas or diesel refusing to start all the time in really cold temps. Yet to see anyone stranded in an EV because it is cold.
@@TroySavary plz move to another country
@@TroySavaryIt’s not the driver’s fault, it’s the system.
If you can’t see that 5 minutes refuelling beats an hour then there’s no helping you.
@@TroySavarytypical dumb reasonning !!! ? Drive up north, away from big cities. I regularly go to Canada but NEVER RENT an EV?
@@TroySavary I love it when a poster feels the need to like their own comment so it seems like they've got some support for their statements 🤣🤣
Yep, as someone living in Sweden I am confused by the amount of Teslas. People tend to drive quite long distances here fairly often. Sälen, where these cars were trying to get a charge is a popular ski location for people from Stockholm and Gothenburg. From Stockholm it is a 5h drive, so you can understand why many of these vehicles did not have an option other than waiting. Lots of Swedes have summer/winter houses in isolated locations and need to take their cars out far into locations without proper infrastructure. Absolute lunacy.
Rich ski types, the Tesla Type down to T.
Thank you for sharing. That avatar sure is part of our reality.
I was at a car dealer last week in Sweden. They said due to new tax rules you can not get a new ICE car anymore. The tax is so High that no one will buy them. Even hybrids have got increased taxes. I Said i better hold on to my old petrol car then. Because new tax rules do not apply for my old ICE car (yet). This EV pushing stupidity is beyond all sanity.
That's the type of stupidity that eventually starts to effect the population, economy, and overall sustainability of a nation.
The EU wants to stop people repairing their ICE vehicles. Soon, there will be underground wrecking yards and a black market in car repairs. I suppose they will ban the sale of petroleum and diesel to retail users next...
@@yamamancha That's the plan. Just wait until they ban meat.
the scandinavians...ehhh.....bit like us "germans".....all for "saving the world".......on the high moral ground.
Pretty soon you won't have a car at all.
The City of Seattle has two public charging stations near me and there is never any waiting. The charging cords are always cut off.
Problem solved LOL
Copper thieves?
Many such chargers will have to go BYO cable in future further restricting charging rates as high rate cables require cooling
@@RogerSutton-ik9fj For safety, if the connection is broken, the charger immediately cuts power, (some poorly made Chinese EVs excluded). So the copper thieves can still steal the cable while charging. 👌
MGUY is doing a fantastic job keeping the masses from buying into the EV hype.
The reason for the queues in Sweden is because Musk is in dispute with the unions and the union people in the electric company are not connecting the Superchargers. It's nothing to do with the lack of infrastructure. The infrastructure is there but they won't let it work.
@@stephenbirchall941 cope
@@stephenbirchall941 Right-tah. There's a total of 100 new supercharger stalls that the union hasn't installed across the entire country. How many of that 100 were at this ONE Supercharger location that had the massive queues? Nope, your excuse is pure nonsense. This site had massive queues because many vacationers were told to leave the area, EVs require more energy when cold, they charge slower when cold, and the charge rate drops when the location is full. The same thing happened in Chicago last winter.
It's almost as if you didn't watch the video, Elon.
Simon you just have to Capture Chris Bowen and Brainwash him into Dumping his EV scramble. Australians By far Do NOT want EV's they want Petrol or Diesel Vehicles and to be Left the Hell alone.
Yes he is by simply making stuff up to try and convince those sitting on the fence to reject an EV purchase with misinformation and pure lies....One comment endorsed by MGUY said quite simply "EVs are toys and useless if you do more than 10 miles per day" I own an EV and it is by far a better car than the Honda Civic I owned for 10 years previous....I wouldn't call a 2.2 ton car with 305 BHP capable of carrying 5 people in luxury a toy....
My brother in law installs concrete pads for these mega chargers in the U.K. he also has to install another pad 200 metres away to house a big diesel generator which they hide behind planted bushes. The designer told him without the back up it would take 1 Tesla 20 minutes to charge. 2 teslas 1 hour. If all 20 bays then zero teslas to full charge in 24 hours. It seems the mains delivery is not high enough to recharge the storage batteries of the station. Also if they were honest the diesel backup would be much closer to avoid distance transfer losses but then people might notice the reality with a big throbbing diesel next to their green car.
Most EV shills won't notice aside from the occasional smell of diesel fumes, as the transformer station is often louder than the diesel engine powering the generator.
I keep saying the grids in the west don't have the capacity. We sure as hell don't have the generating capacity to do all of this. Especially in this extremely shortened time span. It would take a minimum of 20 years to get out collective grids(western countries) in shape to handle this. Also we would need to cut the red tape and start building nuclear power plants to supply the needed electricity. Wind and solar just won't get it done. What happens if a hail storm knocks out one of the huge solar arrays? What it high winds force the turbines to stop? What I those high winds cause a few towers to fall over? Too many what is and not enough certainty.
I have heard about diesel generators on site to charge up battery excavators.
The electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels anyhow at power stations.
Ist is a big con, the public easily led.
Yes! That is all so funny and tragic at the same time. I have seen set ups like that. The problem is not gasoline. The problem is it is not made from hemp seed which makes biodegradable fuel as well as being the most complete vegetable protein on the planet. Thanks jews for making hemp agriculture illegal for so long. Thanks jews for the disgusting polluting oil industry. We have so much to thank jews for.
The amount of people that fell for this Climate change EV scam is astronomical !!🤣
The same people that believe everything their govt tell them is true.
Useful EViots.
That's about 35% of the population that voted for labor/greens.
It was wealthy people virtue signalling. F them.
They believe anything they're told by the media, 95% jabbed safely and effectively proved that
Not surprisingly, EV sales have flatlined in Australia as well 😂
Yes, Hybrids ie (Toyota's and Hyundai) sales have skyrocketed, diesel and straight petrol also doing particulalry well, EV plodding along, but not setting the sales chart of fire, still represent a small percentage. I guess it will ramp up, but even as a dumping ground for every cheap Chinese EV brand under the sun, there is still only moderate interest.
Seeing this makes my monthly pilgrimage to the diesel pump immensely enjoyable.
I could make a video of drivers queuing for petrol at a station in Srilanka claiming this is what happens when you buy an ICE....but I won't because it is nonsense....
What I'm truly sick of is all the government interference via mandates and subsidies. If these nutjobs want to drive an EV, then they can pay themselves to suffer with it. It's all about money at the end of the day, yet these politicians act like they're saving the world. It's ridiculous.
They usually censor this comment, but let's try: This is the same 5-year-plan stuff which caused East Germany etc. to fail.
It's about control. They don't want people to have ANY cars.
Once again my reply pointing out the certain policies which have been seen to be bad from very concrete examples in the Eastern Bloc etc. was censored...
But this is the same. Top-down planning of how industries should be shaped against reality and consumer demand ends in catastrophe.
I don't see any politicians driving or being driven around in an ev it's always a luxury ice car
@@DavidWilliams-ry7nt I'm not a conspiracy driven person, but you are 100% right. With this madness of cars being constantly on-line (why? there's no reason at all for that), it's not more up to you to decide IF you charge, WHERE you go, WHEN you go, for HOW LONG you go. I'm not saying that someone is controlling you, but the scary thing is that they MIGHT do it!
Next step: they will tax the recharge as much as they tax one liter of petrol or diesel, making virtually impossible to the average person to own AND use the car freely.
And by the way: what if the snowstorm takes down the grid or the mobile signal? You are stuck at minus 20 degrees unable to recharge because your fucking app doesn't work or you dumb-o-phone is broken? Are you joking? The worst thing you could have in a severe weather situation is to have to rely on the electricity grid for your survival...
I live in Sweden. The small village in the clip have about 5.000 inhabitants and is situated along 8ne of the main roads to the swedish ski resorts, Sälen is one of the bigger ski areas. So this situation does not happen once a week, just a few weeks per year so not a chance they would build a more powerful charging station. So count on more ques like these or even longer some weekends each winter...
I am so glad I have a car that runs on normal unleaded gas...
I love simple physics! Maths is fun!
Stupidity is hereditary.
Math is fun not maths, is that multiple maths.
and Liberal in Canada.
@@ohwell2790No it isn't. It's a contraction of mathematics. It's maths. Who studies mathematic?
@@ohwell2790 Not in the UK, it isn't.
It's Maths
Stupidity is the new degree in 2025 and you don't need to go to university to get it. Some people inherit it and some develop it. I wasn't so lucky I developed common sense and risk assessment 😎
If governments said walking about completely naked would save the planet, some idiots would do it. Absolutely laughable. No one 'has' to buy an EV.
Yes but I am a MORON so I want one without knowing the hassles it will cause.
Soon you will have to buy one . ICE won’t be on the market new and good second hand ones will be hard to get . Lucky I won’t live to see that he’ll hole
@@unnamedchannel1237 Not me I will guarantee it. I will never give in to stupidity.
Well, I'm 73, so the same applies with me.
Few would follow a government’s instructions to walk about naked but millions would do it if Elon or The Donald said to do it.
2:09 Just for reference... I work at a manufacturing plant where we do stamping, plating, injection molding, insert molding, assembly and a host of other things like generating a huge amount of compressed air to keeps things humming along. (And I forgot to mention the cooling towers)
We work 24/7 and employ around a total of 1000 people covering three shifts.
Our MAXIMUM power usage (in summer, with the air-conditioning on and running at almost full capacity) is slightly above 5 MW...
(That's also about 3000 households or 1.5 Learjet 60s at full power, if I did the math right)
I understand that most politicians and evangelists have no clue what the above means, but for those among you with the slightest understanding of engineering / physics, give that a think.
We have 1 nuclear fission reactor in NL. (Borssele)
It came into production in 1973 and has a max generation of 485 mw
It was built mainly to supply the aluminum smelting and producing of all sorts for Pechiney which became operational about the same time.
Also a lot of other industry there now, bc of deals made around the reactor and cheap electricity.
So yes, 5 mw is a lot, but little compared to this. Most carbon power plants are in the range of 5 to 500 mw.
I did some math on what such a charging station (just one) takes in energy and compare that to what a central produces or what households consume, but utube doesnt like math anymore, for some odd reason.
But indeed, people have little sense of energy. That applies to understanding amounts, but also efficiency, which most seem to have no grasp on at all.
They always deal with finances on energy, but that is something completely different than amounts of energy and even more so energetical efficiency.
Thank you for the numbers-but just what is your point?
The issue is that most people do not pay attention in grade school science class and they go down from there in their ability to comprehend any fundamental common sense science. Try having a conversation with a "green" person about electricity and their eyes glass over and they resort to receiting leftist-green rhetoric that makes no sense to anyone but their fellow greenies who are also totally ignorant of science and engineering. That's where we are at.
@shane99ca 5MW is a shit ton of power. No single charging station will invest in the infrastructure, so when a lot of people need to charge at the same time, you will keep on having long lines, at the most inopportune times, like winter.
@@StofStuiverJa, ik begrijp dat, maar een individueel station zal waarschijnlijk niet willen investeren in de infrastruktuur voor een 5MW aansluiting als hun winstmarges heel laag zijn.
For our Christmas holiday instate and to test out an electric vehicle, we decided to hire a Polestar two, as no one in our family has driven or lived with an electric vehicle.
On a day trip from our accommodation to our destination that we decided, it was around 250 km one way. 70-80% being highway.
Someone had to miss out on the planned activities as once we arrived, they had to take the car to find a charging station and top up the battery so we had enough range to return to our accommodation in the evening.
As the charging station didn't have any fast chargers and there was a line-up, they weren't able to fully charge the battery by the time everyone had finished the planned activities and were ready to leave.
On our return journey and showing plenty of range to cover the distance, the battery got down to 2%, as the car was overestimating the range, so it made the last 10 minutes of driving back to our accommodation very scary.
Once plugged into the standard 10 amp wall outlet, it took around 30 hours to fully charge.
After this electric vehicle experience, everyone in our family is planning to keep their ice vehicles for as long as possible.
i could have told you that before...but nobody asked me....cheers.....well done.
And people are concerned to leave there appliances on standby, being power conscious, but charging a massive battery at high amps is ok ! Critical thinking is non existent.
@@Which-Way-Out Critical thinking. What's that? 😆😆
I totally get it; I’m a petrol head coerced into driving a Polestar 2 currently(no pun intended!)
As I haven’t forked out for a high current home charger I’m at the mercy of ‘motorways service’ style pricing on all public chargers
The difference is shocking (pun intended)
Home overnight can be as cheap as 4 to 9p kwhr
I’m paying in the region. Of 74 to 85p kwhr😮😮
Using a budget 13a socket is really really slow as mentioned.
It’s a great car per se - soulless but stupidly (and needlessly) quick
@@E4RLIESAnd you pay nothing in fuel taxes to build and maintain the roads you use.
A friend and I had a discussion about his new EV vs my ICE as he said my car made noise. I said that when he took me for a drive it sounded like his wheel bearings were shot as we had to virtually yell at each other due to tyre noise. He showed me how good it was each time he put his foot down and I asked how much did he reduce his range. When I looked up his performance his car went 0-100 in 7.5 vs my 8 seconds. I said considering your car was twice my price it should be a lot quicker. He tried to say how much money he was saving but that was shot down as I said my car cost me less than 30 thousand while his cost over 75 and seeing as I only go through about $60 per month in fuel and with his insurance costing twice of mine and adding in maintenance cost it would be about 12 years for him to break even. He said but his was not producing CO2 and I worked out that how much electricity was produced in Australia dived into how much CO2 was produced by power generation and per kilometre mine made about 140gr per kilometre compared to his 271 grams. I told him don't come to a battle of brains unarmed.
And don't forget the open pit mines and when the battery life is over it must be recycled safely using a large amount of fossil fuels. And then add the charging station that all ev's must use, EV's do have 3 tail pipes,,,,,,And then his house insurance could be cancelled, having an EV around his home,,,,,,,,,,,,,
@@dikkybee you my Sir, are a wise man, much respect . Anyone who thinks EV’s are green, are delusional. Prove me wrong, you can’t.
My 2004 subaru forester xt will do a sub 6 second 0-100 right out of the box.
that sound like a miserable friend to have, sound like he is trying to morally knock you down on the virtue of having an EV. I doubt he will last long.
And this is before the end of subsidies, and before a road tax for EV's are finally implemented. At some point it has to happen. all that extra weight and more aggressive starts and stops definitely causes more wear on our roads. Yet it's only us with petrol and diesel cars who pays road tax.
The gas lines of 1979 weren't that long!
Did you see the terrorist in New Orleans, who killed 14 people and wounded 30 others used a Ford F150 Lightning because it was heavier and had ridiculous acceleration.
are you trying to say that EVs are bad because they have higher performance than an ICE car?...thats like saying performance cars should be banned because they are too fast...
@@martinwalker9234 Just pointing out a fact. Calm down fanboi.
@@martinwalker9234 BTW, I don't want anything banned (unlike the pro-EV crowd, who can't sell EVs without mandates).
Oh wait you can charge at home, well that is until you can’t 😂
It's all about control to limit your ability to travel. The government wants you confined to a certain area. God forbid you have to move somewhere for a job or a promotion. What about getting away from a natural disaster?? At least with my ICE I can carry extra fuel and double or triple my range. What are EV drivers going to do when the grid goes down??? People will start dieing because of this. What will the government say then? "Well they made their choice."
Eventually you will need a separate circuit from your home elctricty to charge you car. The government will then be able to regulate when you can charge, how much it will cost, how much you can have . During lockdowns you might not get any.
As long as you DO NOT park in in a garage or on the street or well, nevermind... it's a scam...
How much does a home charger cost? Because waiting in these lines must take hours. It reminds me of the Carter presidency in the U.S.A.
Many homes do not have the additional capacity to charge at anything beyond a small trickle of what is needed. (Unless you have days available to charge). Where I live most people have no place to park let alone charge.
This happened last winter in Chicago. Cars died and became disabled waiting in line. People had to abandon them or freeze to death.
It took nearly a week to clear out. Officials and the press tried to hide it but it got out. Lots of angry victims hit social media.
It really does seem like Google and UA-cam throttle content related to that incident and others like it.
Same thing happened in Greece in Arachova.
There is a sequel lining up there as I type this reply! 😮
Let me guess-not one of these people had charging facilities at home.
EVs do not currently make sense for anyone who doesn't have a garage or driveway. Give it another ten years-and rescind those gas car bans while you're at it.
@@yamamancha Silicon Valley is notorious for one-sided censorship. I'd say the game is almost up, however; those who double down on woke tend not to fare well in the long term.
You will need a full charge just to wait in line.
So, they wait to charge, the after charging just circle back around to the end of the line, correct?😂😂😂😂
That's a cue of buyer's remorse. 😂
reminds me of the long lines at the gas station during the energy crunch of the late 70s in the sweltering florida heat when we still had leaded gas.
You mean "queue".
Its queue not cue.
@@ohwell2790 Well theyre all snookered.
not if you are a climate cult member, wasting your life in a queue cuz the world will end in .... checking current prediction .... 6 months, is truly scary.
Last summer we had a laugh. The queue to get to a charging station where there were just 3 chargers at the end of the motorway. Are we there yet? Sorry kids, it will be another 7 hours. Why can't we have a petrol car like normal people?
smart kids.....but "who" bought the EV....???...hhhmmmm
Because they want you to take the bus, that also can't charge
I bet divorce lawyers love EVs.
You get fined for waiting more than a certain time.
@@DemiGod..Sorry sir/madam this is a no parking zone. Please move on.
Not often I get a laugh out of news stories. You have to love physics, and no wishhful thinking or fantasy will force it to change it's rules.
Aussie here, I live in the country and have had zero to do with EVs until recently..
Was in Perth and waiting for a mate who was shopping, parked next to about 5 charging bays for about 1.5 hours.
What I saw was people swearing and stuffing around with apps, checking the time and charge amounts, couples arguing about where and when they had to be, how much charge readings, etc,
looked highly inconvenient to me, and as for heating the car in freezing weather, how does that work ?????
😂 You have met my parents! They carry on like old crows
I saw an electric car running fans to cool down in 25C with nobody in it, owner said thats normal
@@again5162; aaaah shame man (about your parents) 👍🏻 you didn’t bring them up properly ……
Oh Wait ……. 🤪 😂😂😂😂😂 !
And as the fights 🥊 for Charging ⚡️ Rights Break Out 🥊 !
And as you Extension Cable 50 metres down the Road , some MF Unplugs you, and uses your electricity While You Sleep 😴, or is that ……. TRY TO SLEEP ?
@@again5162depending on temperature, the car will running systems to heat or cool the battery.
Ever heard of a heat pump?
A guy named Forest once said "Stupid is as Stupid does"
Talk about hit the nail on the head 😂😂😂😂, absolutely no sympathy for these morons.
Corruption is as corruption does.
For those of you from outside the US, we have a gas station chain called Buc-ee's. Many have over 100-petrol (gasoline) pumps along with Diesel as well. Now they have added a few token EV charging stations. They are in the south of the US and they are massive.
Clever people can never admit they were wrong,bit like politicians.
You're not really clever, if you buy an EV.
A big salary, millions of votes, do whatever you like. The big party politicians are laughing.
Not sure I would call politicians clever, though...
Who said they were clever
Lol I think the clever people stuck to gas cars.
What no TV crews asking the waiting drivers if they are happy about their situation !
That would be an inconvenient truth..... 🤣
Because the established media in Sweden is on the boat of pushing everyone into this "new green deals".
Yikes, don't do that...
Swedish state media just covered a story about a guy surprised about how easy it way to take the EV to the Swedish mountains. Swedish state media is more woke and leftwing than anything else (and tax funded with requirement by law to be neutral, which is insane since they never are, but claim to be of course). They always push the leftwing narrative. Guess they wont cover this story...
@@oscarw9889 as sealevelrisinggurus who all live in expensive beach properties acquired really cheaply due to their CC (33) scam.
Obama - just recently had a top end resort for his super rich ILK built on the beach in Hawaii and the other 2 gurus AlGore and JKerry both live on the beach in Martha's Vineyard.
Ev diapers will be the new fashion trend for those waiting to charge in long ques with limited restroom acess. Imagine the smell in the car after a 6 hr wait and having to stand in the cold to plug your car in with a loaded diaper. It warms my heart to see such piety
Imagine waiting that long to wait some more.
Then your car dies and you get skipped... good times, good times for a gas driver...
"Serving number 42 - your wait time is currently 3 hours".
Plus nearly an hour on the charger when you get there.
Progress.
And "please don't leave your place in the line up, your business is important to us. We have camp beds, pillows, pyjamas and toothbrushes for hire".
@@gazzafloss and hopefully you wont have a Medical Emergency as our Ambulance is an EV.
Watched the clip while my V8 Range Rover was warming up 😂
The joys of EV - sitting in car for hours with a bunch of kids in sub-zero temperatures.
Could be worse, could be with the mother in law !
@@user-rf9me7xm1w Could be worse, could be raining 😀
@@user-rf9me7xm1w Mate, I felt that pain in my chest. Shhhhhhhh
Daddy...are we there yet!! 😅
Who would pay big money to voluntarily sign up to piss away half their lives in queues?
And piss away their money due to heavy depreciation .
Moronically gullible virtue signaling lefties, indoctrinated through media.
Ever live in a city?
Someone who doesn't do their research. EVs make a lot of sense for some people, and none at all for others. Availability of home charging, robustness and availability of local public charging, local climate-all are factors to consider.
@@oldblack15 I live 500m from YSSY airport, effectively the very middle of Big Sydney, and whut? How it makes evs better here? In 3km radius my diesel vans can be refueled in 5 petrol stations, and (I specially checked map) there are only 4 small (22kw) public chargers, including those in IKEA carpark.
It's hallirous that I get an EV commercial when I tap on your video 😮😅😅
you still won’t convince the evangelists. Their answer will start with “Yes, but”
It has to be "Yes, but" because it's not a discussion for simpletons - you always have nuances.
They just can't admit that they spent so much money on a new car driving an EV. And then it's hard to get rid of it because they depreciate so much to simply turn around and sell it. They are truly stuck with that stupid battery car. But they want everyone else to buy and drive an EV, so that they don't look so stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,
EVangelists have a conflict of interest. The monetisation of their UA-cam channels, so they have to stay the course or lose credibility. Fortunately for them, there are many consumers who lack knowledge and/or can't think for themselves. I don't believe I've ever heard of an EVangelist admitting he's wrong about anything regarding EV's. EV's good, ICE bad; that's the mantra.
In this case it's be more like "B-b-b-u-t-t-..." due to the cold. 🤡🌎
Worst are the old people that have consumed and polluted their whole fracking lives and in their winter of life start to act all to save the planet.
That was 40 vehicles in queue. In that weather, you're looking at 3x-10x advertised charging times.
That's the kind of conditions that can lead to people finding themselves in a life-threatening situation.
Lets hope the Emergency vehicle is a Diesel.
Assuming a 45min charge time, that'd be a wait of two and a half hours (queue + charge). Nuts. I wouldn't have the patience!
@@fredfred2363 With that many vehicles charging simultaneously in that cold, they could be getting below 20kw charging.
That would mean nearly 3 hours to get a Model 3 from 10% up to 80%. Then you think about the range decline in that weather. 30% or more.
45 mins is only for people who just need to travel just a short distance. Some of those people will be stuck there for hours and hours.
Yep, the cars at the end will have to wait 3 hours before even getting a charger and 3 hour idling with heaters on in traffic while queueing will mean they'll have to push the car to the charger 🤣
Too bad you can't sue politicians and bureaucrats. Sadly, if you sue the government and win, it's the taxpayers that are punished.
I remember in the fuel crisis in the late 70's when you could only buy gas every other day, depending on your license plates last digit being odd or even. They should try that for EV's.
Not necessary if you charge from home and use solar panels
@@martinwalker9234 In other words, your travel range is half a charge from home. If you actually want to go anywhere, you are going to need to use a charging lot, just like all the nice folks in the video who have no choice but to sit in queue because they are more than half a charge from home.
I drove past a line of EV’s recently not as long as that around 10-15 in my Commodore SSV 6.0 and I made sure to take my time to look each of them in the eye and smile. It’s the little things in life that keep you going 😊
lol
@@StofStuiver Did that white tesla just pass you on the way home?
I watched the EV evangelist saying how well the EVolution is going in the UK. He is misinformed. Large towns and cities in the UK have row upon row of terraced houses with free for all parking, large blocks of flats. Charging an EV if you live in one of these homes is more than challenging. There will not be enough power in our grid system by 2035 to sustain the EV and heat pump roll out. The National Grid have admitted that.
Thats the entire point. Everything is on schedule sir
National Grid have publicly stated that they must perform the largest infrastructure project in history in order to satisfy the needs of EVs. But they love it, since they get permission from government to charge private consumers (homes, businesses, factories) more for transmission costs to cover those tens of billions in costs! All this just increases their revenues, increases their power in society, their ability to lobby, and increases their share price for their shareholders.
Most Brits don't even know that National Grid is a privately owned, multinational, for-profit corporation. They have successfully given the false impression that they would be some public entity or part of the government which does all this 'for the greater good'. National Grid used to sell natural gas all over the world until they realized this EV and 'green' thing is their path to huge profits and they sold off their other businesses to pretend to be 'green'.
Poor folk will not be driving anywhere.
They can queue for the electric bus, IF their journey is really necessary
In my village the nearest charger is around 2 miles away. The local council wont let you trail wires across pavements so no charges to be fitted at home if no driveway. Theres a few dozen EVs here but they are mainly leases or work vehicles or the poor Disabled people who can only get EVs as a disability car now. Oh and a few well off older people who have bought theirs but thats a v small amount. Also if you have a council house the charger wire is not to go over a path thats on the property if you have a driveway.
Long queue, but the EV zealots will be screaming, “no fumes, the queue isn’t that bad”. As Tony says, “future-my-arse”
Hello Simon, I really must get out more. I went back and counted the cars in that queue and there were 37. Absolutely raving bonkers. I wonder how many got stranded when the batteries went flat because they had the heaters on? The sad irony is the ICE tow truck used to recover them. Ho, ho, serves the bloody well right for thinking they can save the planet.
Here in Chicago last year a cold snap caused the same issue, all the down Teslas were towed away by a diesel burning tow truck and taken to a natural gas heated facility for repairs.
That's the price people are willing to pay to appear better than you. Let them have it.
The Virtue Signalling Flag Waving Idiot Sheep - don't you just lov'em - what flag will the Govt and MSM tell them to wave next week.
All that inconvenience, expense, anxiety n extra hassle to dirty the planet more than an ICE car wld anyway!
🧟.........."but, but, I don't have to fill up with petrol ever again!"
usually they also add ''I lost time but I save money since electricity is much cheaper than petrol', never cross their mind that one everybody use EV power grid under crazy pressure and everybody will suffer electricity price crazy hike
"and I never have to service it" well, they have complex cooling systems for the battery and probably a/c cabin filters. I wouldn't buy one second hand, especially given this strange view that they don't need to be serviced. If that cooling system goes, like all cooling system eventually do from lack of maintenance - good luck
@@thesolver1970 Just think of the peace of mind. My local, trusted mechanic has my car up on the ramp for oil change, while the old is draining he completes an underside check. Then under bonnet check while refilling the engine.
I am so proud of all EV owners. You guys are you so SMART.
The issue of having access to enough charging power is becoming a real problem in Australian apartment complexes. Our city & inner-suburban residents are rushing out to purchase EV's, because their short trips are more suited to EV's, but when those residents attempt to get a charge point put into their apartment carpark they discover they can't because the apartment complex doesn't have enough inbound power to service many of the units. It's actually funny hearing about body-corporates melting down with irate residents who run head-first, Wile E. Coyote style, into the realities of physics.
Yep. A EV home charger draws similar power to an electric shower (but unlike a shower will run non-stop for hours at a time). Realistically, installing one for an apartment/flat might be doubling the available capacity for it, hence if they all have one (which would seem to be what people are being sold as "the future") for the complex. A relatively small complex of say 10 flats would need an additional safe minimum of well over 100kW. Most of the denizens you're referring to don't have the faintest idea how much juice that is (ETA or just generally don't have the faintest idea).
There's also the danger of charging EVs (or even allowing them to park) in an enclosed apartment carpark. Many of them are beneath the apartments, and that's extremely dangerous for the apartment dwellers in the case one bursts into flames, as has happened many times (documented on this channel.)
The reality of buying clown cars bites hard, doesn't it?
Why so hateful? This is exactly what is wrong with today. Everyone is just hating and hating and hating.
@@Azraelxy Yes everything is pixie dust, sunshine, and rainbows...
@@althunder4269 so no reason or arguments for you? Just sadness, dread and hate?
@@Azraelxy Trump is in now so things will be looking up.
@@althunder4269 And Elon is his friend.
Praise Be to the folks who are still driving vehicles from 10 or more years ago. keeping what was made in use. not demanding something new be made that isnt good and is in the end a massive waste of earths resources...
At the golf club near to me there are 5 charging stations and about 200 normal parking spots. The first few EV's tae the charging stations and park there for at least 6 hours (= warm up + 18 holes + 19th hole).
If all cars were EVs the charging infrastructure would need to be so massive and so redundant that it will be unaffordable. Every overnight parking spot would need to be a charging station. EVs/Net zero is catching a fast train in the wrong direction.
You dont need a golf course to have chargers as many leave home with a full tank of Electricity from their home charger at a cheaper rate.
If they are charging for 6 hours: those are Level 2 chargers, and are relatively cheap to install, around $2000 each.
During the holiday break, I stopped at a motorway service. The EV (non Tesla) chargers were full and there were a number of EV drivers pacing around or sitting in their cars just waiting for a charger to become available. Plus EV drivers driving past looking frustrated (well they were shaking their head). I would not want to waste my time on this activity, many better things to do with my time.
So sounds like more charging infrastructure is needed,..
@ Nope, simply choose to drive a product that can recharge in 4-5 minutes.
It was at that moment that they realize they F***** up. 😅
What a place to have a coffee and doughnut business
Not to mention a car charging business. Just tow a diesel generator and offer charging at a fair rate. "Free coffee with every kW!".
Looks like more of meth crowd to me...
@@Biosynchroand portable pay as you use toilets for all the tea and coffee 😊.
EVs when "progress" is a step backwards.
Like using whale oil to light your house
Nah, the whale oil would be the windmill farm. Killing birds just as whalers used to kill whales.
Home charging
A wall connector can be used to charge at home. Charging times vary by the power rating of the charger:
3.6 kW: Takes 21-27 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full
7 kW: Takes 11-15 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full
22 kW: Takes 5-6 hours to charge a Tesla Model S from empty to full
AC charging
The Tesla Model S can charge at a maximum of 17 kW, taking about 7 hours to charge from 0-100%.
DC fast charging
The Tesla Model S can charge at a maximum of 250 kW, taking about 30 minutes to charge from 10-80%.
Whale oil is renewable!
Well it’s been good fun watching all of this. A lot of money down the drain, but a good laugh nonetheless. Ok back to ICE cars now.
@@peetsnortthese people were not at home!!!!
Funny, as an engineer, I once owned a hybrid. The mileage on the vehicle was no better on the highway than a similar ICE car. The savings in day to day driving were there, but not impactful. I also always dreaded if the battery would go bad but yet never worried about major repairs on ICE cars which were almost nonexistent in the 40+ years, I have had cars. . In the end, I found the experience just “meh” and stayed with ICE. In fact, I drive a mid size SUV and may opt to go even larger with my next purchase in 5 years. My ICE SUV is 12 years old. I’d rather be safe and comfortable and pay a little more for gas if that fallacy is true. Gas is just over 5% of my monthly spending budget anyway so there are better places to cut (like eating out too frequently).
I don't know where they think the power comes from for these ev chargers, but every watt is taken from the grid that supplies homes, industry and commerce. As the numbers of evs grows, the demand on the grid increases. Who is building the power infrastructure to support this impost? As a homeowner and taxpayer, I certainly don't want my taxes and utility prices going up to support someone else's use of evs.
They sure aren't here in California, they keep shutting down plants here. Most of our electricity now comes from out of state at a premium, it's so f'd.
From my post:
The really hilarious thing in Sweden is that the grid is so bad that they have introduced a power charge based on the maximum kw you use at peak. This means that you pay heavy extra fees for charging your car at your 11kw box, especially while running the cooker/washer/dryer or your heating! The authorities recommend a maximum of 3.1kw during the small hours to avoid these peak charges. Quite insufficient to charge a car , especially while cold. This means you will no longer be able to charge cheaply at home for many people!
Then there is the question that if the grid is already having difficulty meeting demand, what will even more ev chargers do to this?
Its non viable m8. Sooner or later they will realize that. A load of people needs to freez to death first, before their brain starts to work.
I mean; my 8 brandnew big solar panels do about 2kw in summer in NL.
He's talking 250 kw max, 26 chargers. But of course they dont have the 6.5 mw that would be that.
A carbon powered electricity plant delivers anything from a couple of mw, to 100's of mw. As an average you can say 50, or 100. (big size differences)
That means that for this one charging station, you need 1/10 or 1/20 of the electricity generated by a carbon fueled power plant.
Or as for solar energy. This is winter, with low sun (if its clear at all, which we hardly have had in NL last 3 months and this produces next to nothing) and very short days. In NL, its not even 8 hours of daylight. Sweden, much further north, will have days of 4 hours light.
But lets say its summer and optimal, so my solar panels do about 250 watts each.
Lets say they have 250 kw, bc thats probably more realistic than thinking they have 1 mw.
250 kw, means about 1000 of the big solar panels that are on my roof. If its really 1 mw, then 4000. In summer.
For 1 charging station, that cannot even keep up, considering the huge line there.
And then consider that in Sweden its 5% of cars being EVs. Suppose its half. Thats 10 times as much. You can then multiply everything above by 10.
There is NO way this is possible. Its not even possible as is. So the entire idea is negated already. Its just not possible.
Consider that i calced it for summer. In winter, solar does nothing here. In fall and spring, a little.
For a country like Sweden, or NL too, this is completely impossible. Maybe it would work a bit in Spain, or further south, but not in most of Europe.
So, the only way it can work, is if its powered by big carbon based power stations.
What was the reason again for EVs?
Once we have nuclear fusion reactors, then it might be viable. We still dont.
The alternative is rolling blackouts.
Electric is the future; it's just a question of when.
@shane99ca or just possibly ... ensuring one has a good enough network and NOT closing perfectly good reactors without having a replacement ready or even planned...
If I was in that town, I would have several powerful portable diesel generators on a large trailer and turn up to the back of the queue to do a brisk business😀
I was just thinking the same thing.
Oh god, the money to be made!! You could pretty much ask anything you wanted. Put a couple of cold whiney kids and a nagging wife in that car, and a fella would give you the moon, lol. Brilliant......
If their gov't is stupid enough to be pushing EVs on their people, they're also stupid enough to make that excellent idea illegal. It really does seem like they're trying to kill people, or at least keep them from traveling!
Me too
The rich always pay to cut time
Look at rapid passes at Disney
First class and private flying
It is a rather good idea. Honestly, if your property is a good location you could probably make a decent profit by installing a charger for the public, but I suspect that the government and utility company would regulate it into bankruptcy. It would actually, be the only way to save the whole notion of universal EV ownership if you had a dozen public charging stations per block. However, I suspect, the main goal is to have no cars for the Plebs.
Another huge issue is that a cold battery takes a really long time to warm up to a safe temperature for fast charging. Usually over an hour for actual good speeds if it was sitting in a parking lot at work in -15C all day. So when you get off work, decide you want to charge before the storm hits, go over ti the charger, there just isn't enough time to get the battery warm enough so you end up with a still frozen battery at the charger which takes 20 minutes or so connected to the charger before you even get actually charging.
Kyle from Out of Spec did this as a test run by parking a car right beside a charher overnight and plugging it in cold... It took 45 minutes to warm the battery enough to even START charging and even then it started at 20kw, which would take about 3 hours to charge the car. As it got warmer it was able to actually charge the car, which means somethi g that should have taken 20-30 minutes took an hour 30 instead which just compounds the problem of everyone wanting to top up their car before the storm hits.
You can preheat the battery in modern EVs.
@gerbre1 Yes, that's what I explained in the post. The problem is that if a car was sitting outside in your work parking lot it's going to take a couple hours to do so from well below freezing. So it won't be ready if you leave work and turn on preconditioning and drive to a charger to be ready for the storm.
@@Snerdles You don't need to charge with a cold battery. In extrem cold you charge when the battery is warm after driving for some time and use preheating.
@gerbre1 Ah yes of course, just leave work and drive for two hours and THEN charge... So convenient!
@@Snerdles Kyle charged only once with a cold battery.
Teslas will 'condition' (heat up) the battery to prepare it for fast charging with its aptly named "Afterburner"...which uses 7kW of power! Bjørn Nyland showed in practical winter tests that Teslas can use that heater for over 30 minutes before and during the charging! 7kW is about half of what the car's consumption is while driving according to the on-paper numbers!
So they're consuming half of what cars driving home are consuming, all while just sitting there for who knows how long...PLUS the energy used to heat up the cabin...PLUS then after that they have to actually drive home!
'Efficient'!
Exactly, and in ICE vehicles the heat is a byproduct of combustion
When I was a young man newly into the workforce, I recall we had a big snow storm late in the afternoon. Its the kind that public works usually has trouble getting ahead of. Well, it was 5pm and we could see the roads below us from our office were grid locked as well as one of the main bridges out of the city. It had been like this for over an hour. One of the older guys casually mentioned that some of those cars would start to run out of gas soon and really mess things up. I think of that every time I hear about modern EVs. They have far less range and consume more "fuel" just sitting there with the heat on. We are going to see a real tragedy somewhere related to a snow storm. Its only a matter of time.
That's why a savvy driver always keeps their tank or battery full in winter conditions.
@@shane99casomewhat easier to carry a gallon of fuel for "just in case" though, than a gallon of fuel AND a small generator 😊.
And this is from a country that has gone all in on EVs. They again prove there is nothing as reliable and dependable as an ICE vehicle and a fuel station.
LOL all of a sudden the EV zealots are quiet, what happened to your superior EVs, they been preaching about how convenient and reliable they are and how fast they go, they don’t go that fast at the charging stations do they. Hahahah
Fast? Anytime i travel here in Germany on the Autobahn, i see them on the right lane. Making a top speed of 100/110 KMh per hour, some even stick to the back of a truck. Still they preach, how superior and as fast as a normal car those toys are.
It will only get worse as there are more people getting caught buying them 😂😂😂
Lol sucked in guys , show me rhe queues here in Australia .
And max our speed limit here in Australia is 110 klms so no problemd here Max lol lol
@@MrDiesal666 Why should i care about a country at the literal other side of the world? Why not north korea, no cars at all for the regular joe. Or Somalia, no big roads at all and most drive in 30 year old beat up ruins. Really no point for me in this one. Also your country is so big, that the use of aircraft for long distances is common, even for private persons.
welcome to Sweden here too we have idiots for politicians.
I was thinking of buying an EV in UK but have changed my mind. Range anxiety and recharging queue is something I want to avoid. Getting battery anxiety from my smartphone was bad enough, really do not want it in my car.
This Sunday, we had a little snow over here in Derbyshire and Yorkshire. As a 64 year old ex coal miner. I was enjoying driving my daughter to work over the tops from Derbyshire into Yorkshire. I'm astounded by how many people have zero clue on how to drive in snow. I waited patiently at the top of hills as cars drove slowly down the hill and within yards getting stuck trying to climb the hill in front of them. I even had cars pass me because they were too inpatient and did exactly the same as the others before them. Once i could see my route, i drove down and up the other side without much slipping ,doing this all the way to Yorkshire and back home all toasty in my basic Ford kuga. I saw several electric cars with their drivers wrapped up. I presume they had the heating switched off ? I lost count of how many cars both ice and electric cars were abandoned or stuck by the side of the road .Now i learnt to drive in snow in the late 70s / early 80s. This was when we had harsh winters. Oh, and i always knock off the traction control ! I love the smile i get from my daughter on how i just get to the destination and home , all because i use my grey matter . I don't feel much regret for two women who were stuck and tried to wave me down in hollows and on uphill sections either. Equality is a bugger isnt it, ladies ? If you have no clue on how to drive with confidence in snowy conditions, people. Stay at home !
Same as me I'm 49 and pretty good in the snow, but allot of people just Don t know how to drive in the snow 😂😂😂 I was one of 2 cars to get to my house is located (at the top of a large hill). They littery have no clue....
@huwtgriffiths4448 It really does blow one's mind with how people who have no clue are scared and have zero confidence in driving at best of times ! Take care, me duck. Have a great new year .
@greg5639 it is mad, I live near the brecon beacons and there's allot of hills 🤣 I was just shocked how people were driving and really had no clue on approaching a hill, I must have drove past 5 cars skidding about while I happily drove past 🤣😂🤣 one was a Volvo xc90. I agree if you Don t feel confidant driving in the snow Don t go out.... Plus a few years back I hired a 4x4 in Iceland and the weather was insane... Take care bud.
Plus manual gearbox is a godsend in those snowy conditions.
@Tegelane5 for sure..... and diesel engines.
All the things I knew would be happening with EV owner has come true. You can't circumvent the laws of physics.
And it's only going to get worse as more and more idiots buy these things.
EVs, for people that have nothing else to do in life but stay in line (all night).
Wow! isn't the future amazing ?
I never saw charging lineups on the "Jetsons".
IIRC, battery capacity decreases in the cold.
So, this is Sweden, 2025.
Wonder how the US is coping, with Winter Storm Blair.
I still remember all those stranded Teslas last winter in Chicago.
Why do they need to name all of these damn storms now? For 50 years we only name hurricanes or Nor'easters. WTF are the naming every little storm that comes along? Also, why are they hyping all of these storms to sound 10X worse than what they actually are?
This is Sweden with "only" 4% EV's, at 8% we're gonna see people freezing to death in those lines. The blizzard has started and the army is already rescuing EV shills who's been stranded. 🤡🌎
@@kennethboyer2338 I think some of these storms are genuinely more dangerous to EV shills who put themselves into dangerous situations for seemingly no reason. Even though we did have worse storms back in the days. But back then everyone also drove very reliable petrol cars, so even if traffic stopped, at least people could stay warm for days if they needed to.
@@kennethboyer2338 They're all named to frighten people, so they'll believe the global warming BS. This so-called 'climate crisis' is a non-event, so they've got to use propaganda or no one would fall for it.
2:00 What's worse, is you have no idea if you're charging with dirty electricity (you know, the kind that air conditioners use) or clean electricity (the kind that EVs use).
If ALL petrol/diesel vehicles (including trucks/lorries) were replaced with EVs, global oil consumption would only drop by 10%. A huge study was conducted for this. Oil is used for so many things apart from fuel. Wind turbines need ~120 litres of oil every 6-9 months and are manufactured, commissioned and maintained with diesel vehicles.
One thing which never seems to get mentioned is the tyre rubber issue. We are told a lot about 'micro plastics in the oceans' etc, but I suspect a lot of that includes particles from rubber due to tyre wear. Tyre rubber is also apparently carcinogenic, so it's not really something you want to be breathing in. Electric cars wear their tyres out more quickly due to their weight, so the benefits of them pose some real question marks, as does the (apparently) deliberate act of ignoring the tyre rubber particle pollution issue in general.
I can’t believe there is that many delusional people in one spot.
You clearly didn't see the queues in Denmark to get your 3 weekly PCR-tests...
Kamala rally?
People in petrol cars driving past them smiling and waving. 👋😆
Most of them are from Stockholm, going back home from their vacation homes in the mountains. The reason they stop in this small town of 5000 people is because it's the only town within 200km that has any type of charger. I aslo strongly doubt those are really 200kW chargers, adding up to 5MW in total, because 5-10MW is all the power available in that whole town most likely. 🤡🌎
That's what artificial incentives do
This is whole reason we have to put up with low wattage light bulbs, so that we can hardly see to read, and why the wattage of vacuum cleaners and washing machines is strictly limited. Farce doesn't really cover it.
You are making this up....here in Thailand I can buy high wattage bulbs easily, my vacuum cleaner is 2kw and the ability of a washing machine is not linked to how much power it consumes....it depends on the design and manufacture of the product.
@@martinwalker9234I would presume the commenter is in western Europe as that is what we have here "to save power and save the planet", so people elsewhere can have vacuum cleaners that work😊.
Morons will continue to be morons, their foolish pride limits their ability to accept the COLD hard truth that EVs aren’t fit for purpose.
The one near me is always lined up, even in the middle of the night. That's when all the Uber drivers charge, as well as companies with fleets. The best time to go and charge is actually between 9-11 am.
Yeah, but they keep saying, "But you can just charge at home!"
When I briefly had my EV (which I bought just because I want to experience all sides of motoring) the biggest joy was sitting at a charging station far from alternates, and have a Tesla drive up to me to ask if I'm going to be long. I'd tell them yes, I just got here and I'll be here for ages and I'd see their lip start to quiver as they drove off to find some faraway or extremely slow alternative! 🤣 🤣🤣
Tow a trailer with a generator, guys. Easy fix. Or just buy a sensible car, and abandon Satan's works.
I bet the hotels in that little town were booked solid in short order as well. No charging, no accommodations, no joy.
The gullibility of these people is astounding.
In Norway, the authorities advise against getting an electric car if you live in rural or sparsely populated areas.
A rare glimpse of, not so common, sense.
@ghunt9146 If the authority had not gone out and advised against getting an electric car if you live in these areas, people would have had to learn the hard way.🥶🥶🥶
Isn't selling a new non-EV banned now in Norway?
@pistonburner6448 I don't know anything about that, but they are starting to wake up now and start to understand that electric cars cannot replace real cars.
@@pistonburner6448 Yes, as of January 1st. Many drivers in Norway are keeping their old ICE vehicles for use in winter.
I have an electric car that is used as a city runabout and never does more than 50km a day. But I still have a petrol car for long drives . It all comes down to planning and being honest with yourself how you plan to use the car. If people think that it can be used for long trips over holidays, they are fooling themselves as can be seen in the video.
One major sever blizzard with such long lines could be catastrophic.
We'll find out soon, the blizzard has just started and the clip was from yesterday. Anyone who hasn't charged yet is basically gonna be stuck there waiting for the armed forces to show up in a bandwagon to rescue their fat asses and their clown car. 🤡🌎
Haha no cure for stupid.
Well..
That experimental injection so many people took kind of helps.
@@DeeDee-pw9pm
Yes, true !
And doesn't this just reminds us of that same queuing............😅duped again !
Oh, but there is. Remove warning labels.
@@DeeDee-pw9pmLeftist?
This happened but not to that extreme level in Keith, South Australia last year.
Reminds me of the Darwin Awards
Reminds Me of Watching 👀Doctor Who😮There Are Evil,Power Mad Folks About🐙👽🔥🐍🐙
@StoneyRerootkit I only remember the Darliks. "seek and destroy"
The movie Idiocracy in real life 😮
“It’s got electrolytes”=“I’m saving the planet”😂
“ Leave the world behind “, cheers from The Gong!
Goodbye Daevid And Gilly, Ye Are Missed😢 I am Gonna Have A Cuppa Tea😊❤😏🎈🎆🚀
Where I live in the UK we have a local Shell filling station. There used to be 10 gas pumps and 3 EV charging spaces. Local EV owners boycotted the garage by parking their EVs at the pumps, blocking ICE car owners from using them. Wind forward a couple of years and Shell has redeveloped the station so there are now 11 EV charging points and just 4 gas pumps. Whenever I go there now there are 1 or 2 ICE vehicles queueing for the pumps but I have never seen more than 2 EVs charging at any one time.
I suggest ice owners now park in the ev bays
They all might as well go back to Horse & Buggy, at least it's reliable, recharge is a bit of grass under the shade of a tree, you reach your destination and the horses know their way home. Feel free to go modern & add a drink & phone holder to sit your soy lattes. 😂
A horse and buggy would be more environmentally friendly too.
@@GrandHeresiarch until the horse farts..
@@GrandHeresiarch I was reading a local history text and they had a copy of a letter from some senior official during the colonial days who was pleased that cars and trucks were becoming prevalent, and horses were less and less. He was pleased because there would be less pollution.
I honestly didn't know why he would say that until I was in the capital one day watching the police mounted branch parading the streets as part of the opening ceremony for Parliament. Large loads of smelly crap were left on the road - with only five or six horses.
Imagine if everyone had one. lol.
@@markusgorelli5278 Ahhh...yes... the good ol'days that the greenies want to take us ALL back to. We would once again have streets full of horse crap which points to the huge problem of having to grow acres and acres of horse feed, then we would have to transport that hay and oats etc., to thousands of stables required because millions of people will still be requiring food and stuff to be transported. We are talking human survival here, but we have morons running the country along with liars incapable of admitting they are completely wrong about most things in life. Why are we putting up with these fools?
It's time for Elon Musk to publicly admit that EVs are a failed idea. If he still wants to bs about the pretend global warming then that is at his peril, but the least he can do is speed up the process of halting this EV farce for the good of the nation and for the people who do NOT want these failed vehicles. The owners of these cars should have to drive out to an area where there are windmills and charge their EVs batteries using the energy from their "new green sustainable energy sources". Perhaps they could build a bonfire out there with some tents available and a few hot-dog stands to tide them over. The idea of reducing all of us back to some primitive lifestyle is cruel madness. Sick and tired of this Kabuki Theatre. Thanks MYGUY.
It's woke progressives, who all hate Elon Musk, who are pushing the global warming shtick.
Tesla model Y was the Best selling carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 🎉🎉
CYBERTRUCK = Best selling EV pick-up truck in USA 🎉🎉🎉
Yes, Elon is WRONG! 😂😂
@@mikafiltenborg7572 Pet rocks also once sold millions of units.
They are trying to fool everybody but what you can't fool is REALITY.
My friend borrowed a Tesla to drive about 200km roundtrip. I drove this route last week in my old mazda diesel, and even with snowploughs on the road it was less than 3 hours. With the Tesla delivered to her with a low charge, she then has to charge it up 45 mins at least (assuming there is a free spot, which often there isn't), then charge it up again on the return trip to deilver the car with some charge for the owner. This adds at least 1.5 hours to (what is in fair weather a 2.5 hour trip). With some waiting for a spot, this can quickly become a 50/50% trip. Half the time driving, half the time waiting. Meanwhile, my old car can do about 1000km highway driving on a full tank which is filled up in a few minutes. The EV crowd are all excited when the weather is good and there is ample room for charging. However, winter here in Scandinavia quickly shows the folly of it all. On a blocked ,snowy mountain road, i can idle my car and have heating for days on end if necessary. EV owners quickly realize they need to choose between staying warm or going home.