Hardtail Vise Build Ep.16: Dynamic Jaw Machine Setup
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2024
- No machining in this episode. We'll get the Hardtail vise dynamic jaw all setup in the @MilltronicsUSAInc TRM 3016 and our workpiece location established for the machining. We'll go over the program we wrote in Fusion then make some air cuts to test the movements. This part of the project was pretty lengthy so I broke into two video segments. The machining will continue on episode 17. #abom79 #milltronics #hardtailvise #cncmachining
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I really love watching this journey of furthering your knowledge and modernizing your capabilities. I always respected your old school manual machining skills, but its awesome that you strive to keep learning and growing....you are a inspiration Adam!!!
This is one of my favourite ways of relaxing, putting on the latest Abom79 video and sitting back and watching it in 4K!
You could always tape yourself a little cheat sheet to the console or outside of the machine to remind you which direction to go for positioning. As long as you keep showing us behind the scenes leading up to the actual machining, i'll be happy following your journey.
This is what i did, i had a sticker made and put it above the spindle
❤ Good setup..was waiting to see some chips fly so I guess we'll have to wait until the next episode.
Enjoying the series very much.
Good video. For squaring up your vises, I also use a big ground bar. But it goes a little quicker than that. Slightly tighten one bolt on one vise, clamp the bar in both vises, then tram the backside of the bar across both vises all at once. My ground bar is a little bigger than yours I think though, probably 3x4x18 or so. Got it on eBay.
Adam, your shop looks great these days! You've really progressed since I last watched your channel. Look at you with the CAD/CAM goin on!
Very good video,Adam.Thank you.
WOW a 40 minute video on cutting air. Can't wait for the series finale "bolting it to the bench" parts 1,2, and 3
There you are! Side story here. I was watching you about 4 yrs ago. Then I don't know what happened but I stopped. Sad story I know. About a year ago I started looking. Tried racking my brain as to your UA-cam name. LSS here I am. I do woodworking but metal work has been interesting me lately. From car builds with MIG welders to machining. Anywho, glad I found you and I look forward to enjoying your videos.
This is a good video if you are a beginner with CNC machines and want to see how it works. But who has CNC machines and doesn't know how to use them? In addition, he increasingly shows a prodent smile instead of an honest smile. I've been watching this channel for years, but lately there's hardly any content and now there's a cliff hanger at the end??? These will be videos that I will browse through from now on, but will certainly not watch in their entirety.
OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do the spindle shop projects! this video series is my favorite so fare. would love to get lost in watching that project! thank you so much for all the work and time you put into these videos.
Engine turning the sides of the jaw would be a neat idea
Teasing us with the part two! love this series!
I'm excited to see how it comes out!
Holy smokes! Went away for a while and you filled up the shop
Especially impressed with vise alignment. Laughed aloud when you choose to tap that left vise, despite your self-talk...leave well enough alone. HA! Who can do that! In the end you made it better. Speaks to your skill.
I'm really enjoying this series. I hope you can find another tool that is normally just "good enough" and putting your machinist touch and making it High precision once your done. I love the upgrading part of it all.
Cant leave well enough alone ,right ? As you said that I thought Oh Oh! Brilliant.!
WOW!! there are a lot of unusual methods on display here, I'll have to come back once I have compiled a list of traditional alternatives.
bummer, beautiful setup but somewhat anti climatic with no chips thrown. oh well I will just have to wait for the next episode. keep em coming.
Wow what a “cliffhanger”. That was awesome! I’m loving this whole series.
love it
That crane 🏗️ setup is a game changer 💥 🤛
I can see that you DO read the comments, opening up the stud flanges on the mill vices works great.👍
That would have been some good video content.
Great job. Thank you 😊
Cliffhanger!!! Can´t wait!! :-)
Hey Adam, I am loving the series, for sure this is the most accurate bench vise of any shop in the US. I am learning a ton watching you work, can't say thank you enough!
@Abom79 Easy way to remember your axis on that machine. As you are looking into the machine, you are looking along the Y axis. Moving the tool head to the left will always be negative X. Moving the head away from you will always be negative Y. The Z axis is pretty self explanatory.
I am thinking when you flip it to do the other side I hope the program also reverses the logo😮
Now that we are set, we can run the program. AND....CUT. Stay tuned folks...
Cliffhanger!
Big bite, nice! The finish don’t matter as much as the practical ability, but the attention to detail indicates quality as none as the jaw and components are worthy
If it’s fancy and breaks easy you instant destroy the brand image. Sure looks nice.
Could shim the mill vice. I may be speaking too soon. As I watch
I get dial indicators, I can run a lathe to save my life but no guarantees on precision.
I added Vinal labels to our pick and place robots to make it easier to remember X Y and Z = - directions. Defiantly helps as visual cues .
Adam, put a sheet of paper up that shows -X and +X direction, even put it in sharpie or paint pen on a visible shield that you can reference. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that. I do this all the time for many things in the shop as well as my 'lab' (computer, 3d printer, electronics, etc.). There is nothing wrong with putting up a reminder.
I was intrigued at the beginning to see how you overcame the task of tramming in two vices to match. Naturally it was a task for a long parallel clamped in both vices and the parallel trammed in. So when the first vise was trammed in I assumed that you never had a long parallel. I was wrong, you had one but never used it until one vise was trammed? If you did not have a long parallel the ideal solution would have been to clamp the part in both vises & indicate the part then tighten the vises to the bed.
I did not expect the protruding jaw to be at the back. The datum face is the one with the register & should always be against the datum fixed jaw. The jaw would then have been closest to the front eliminating any risk of it hitting the machine column. For cutting the opposite side the part would be flipped so the jaw is then on the right. The datum register would remain against the datum vise jaws & not using a different datum face for each side. The end X position would have to be set again only adding a couple of minutes to the time but saves time not having to mount and position an endstop, also the Y position would not need to be set.
Using a rod was mentioned to ensure the datum face sits flat against the jaw. Unfortunately the rod should not be against the datum jaw as you suggested. This would mean that the moving jaw would be the datum which does not work well & negates any benefits.
The register was indicated & showed a 0.0015" taper. It may have been prudent to indicate the underside of the register with a surface gauge to see if it was sitting down level. Or measure each end of the register to see if it is tapered. Assuming it was level underneath, the top of the register should have a skim cut to make it parallel. If left alone the taper will transfer to the sides of the part when turned over. If the fit is close in the vise body when finished, then it could get tight at one end of the range & loose at the other. Especially the register fitting in the guide slot, which will have a close fit.
That's about it for basic general workshop practice, aside from the magnet & the tilde symbol.
I would strongly suggest placing the magnet on the part THEN turning it on. Having it already turned on then allowing it to slam onto the part can easily marr the surface.
The tilde symbol ~ is not a minus symbol. Getting a minus symbol wrong on the Z axis will send the head downwards if a minus symbol is wrongly used. As I recall when deciding whether the minus on the Z axis was up or down it was decided that minus was down. The reason was that if it was missed in the program the head would move up away from the bed.
Thank you for the useful information.I enjoyed the good video. I support you❤❤❤
The term long, drawn out process was originally coined by the Blacksmith...
To know plus or minus on your NC Mill put your left hand out in front thumb up, pointer finger to the mill and middle finger pointing to the right....the direction each finger points is the plus direction....you have to imagine your tool moving not the bed!
Great camera 🎥 work, she keeps up with you like a professional, nice !
darn 3 min up I'm not first. Nice seeing other work to be done in the shop.
Hey Adam, love your videos! No offense, but the symbol at 26:28 isn't a negative symbol, it's a tilde, the thing above the one on a keyboard, and it means "approximately". Hope this helps, and I really enjoy watching your videos!
In a recent video you mentioned wanting the work to come back center so you didnt have to jog to bring it back to center to load and unload parts. Look at your post processor right after you click on Create NC program. Under Safe Retracts and home position look for "home position center" I did this with my Haas and makes it so nice not having to go back into jog every time. I cant speak for the Milltronics post processor but I would look for that option.
I know that you make really good videos on instructional methods of machine set ups, it seems to me that you could put in the work piece, tram a machined edge in both vices
26:30 That's not negative three above the web, that's "approximately" point three above the web. ~ is an approximate sign
That is an "approximately" symbol. 4K really helps!
Yep, that was my point but Abom is looking at it in real life, so maybe he needs glasses :)@@Bob_Adkins
Another bit of advice from a rank amateur. Regarding what surface to pick for the Z origin (21:45), while I am sure you are correct that your results will be within the tolerances needed for this vise. However, if you have a choice, I think best practice would be to set the Z off of a surface that has already been finish machined to final dimension, rather than off of one from which you still plan to remove material. I would have set the Z offset either off of the top of the guide rail that you have already finished, or off of the 0.625 parallel that you are using to support the part. Obviously you would then have to alter the origin in Fusion to match.
G'day Adam. This is an excellent set-up with Parellel Vices. Looks like the program is well setup. I was looking forward to the CNC machine to do It's thing but,
I was very disappointed that you cut the video.
Still a great video, will definitely see the CNC do it Thing 😅😅😊 on the next Installment.
Is there no need to run that face cutter on some example scrap to make sure you wind up with the surface finish that you want? No do overs on the piece that you have alot invested in now! Great series, thanks for the videos, sir.
You've come a long way in a short time, Adam! This is really interesting to watch. In the spirit of "measure twice, cut once", after you had established the x,y,z coordinate system of the part and aligned it to the x,y,z system of the mill you could have tested the flatness of the workpiece. Just write a simple program to probe z for four points near the corners of the flat area. For one thing, it's a simple sanity check. At the next level, it tells you how deep the milling head is going to go on the first cut. As part of a big production run, too high a value here could be used to flag a workpiece that is out of spec.
In my former software development work, I would add lots of "redundant" sanity checks, which would test for any possible visits by Bozo the Clown. Suspicious discrepancies would be logged and potentially harmful ones would abort a test run. During testing, I would gradually remove some of those extra tests as we gained confidence in the stability of the product.
One of these would be great and is on my list. I will own one at some point..but having one Adam machined perfectly would be even nicer..just saying..great work as always Adam..also the shop looks great..dream set up
I really appreciate you showing the goof ups as you learn this stuff. Everyone learns, and trying to hide the mistakes means you're being fake. This teaches me tons just seeing you learn and do it until you get it right etc. Thanks!
think of plus and minus like this, x axis= - is to the left + is to the right, y axis - is towards you + is away from you, z axis is - is down + is up.
Am I the only one that hollered at their screen when he was contemplating adjusting the left vise for a measly .0001 to .0002 being out of plumb? Ive watched long enough to know he would have to give it the ole tapee tap tap with the hammer anyway... Love u man but .0001 is waaaaaay good enough for the girls I go out with and should be for you too!
Been watching Blondie Hacks eh?
@@Bob_AdkinsWell Blondie Hacks didn’t “coin” that phrase. It was AvE.
Vise adjustment... 0.0005" off... "can't leave well enough alone." 😂😂😂 I fully understand. This is why 20 minute jobs in my shop actually take 2 hours or more. 😂😂😂
I really enjoy your videos and like to see you getting more work done on your CNC machines. I was wondering when you’re gonna start using that I’m assuming quarter million dollar Flex CNC. You should be able to do some really big interesting jobs on it. Love your stuff, keep making chips 😊
Take a sharpie and draw the coordinate system on the back guard. By the time it gets washed off, you'll have memorized it...
always make the bore first, thats more difficult to get it spot on. outside dimensions are better to match.
I mentioned that in the comments in the last video. That's the way everyone else does it, male dimensions are easier to measure. The CNC is much more accurate than a shaper and squareness can also be controlled to fit. You would not want to pop the body back on the shaper to remove the odd thou, or lift this heavy dynamic jaw to see if it fits !
I honestly thought the Xtra was you were going to use the cnc to do a scotch Brite engine turning down the side 🙂
Adam, try to think on what quadrant you're in, in relation to your G54, for pos or neg on the probe movement. Or any spindle movement for that matter. I even drew a little cross hair with pos and neg marked (if it's erasable you can mark your work origin each job if ya like).
Adam its your vise, but I would have left the little rough casting area on the side. Gives it some character! Beautiful job.
I think you made the tie down thing to mount to your driveway or something. I remember you making it.
Am I the only one thinking that when you flip that jaw over 180 degrees to machine your other side - that your logo etching will be upside down when viewed as you wind it out on that side?
Wouldn’t you have to flip the etching logo part of the program 180 degrees so that both sides the logo is right way up? 🤷♂️😳😳😉👍🇦🇺
Man talk about a teaser
My boss does not like testing programs in the air or dry running because of time efficiency. I have maybe tested a program in the air once at the current shop I'm at. The stress forces me to read programs like my life depends on it because it does lol. a lot of tight butt hole situations lol every shop is different.
Hope you send this for powder coat when you’re done.
I know it’s a little late now, but I think it would look really good if the surface was jeweled before adding the logo
Love the content, Adam...just one thing: when you see the tilde character "~" that means "approximately" in math-speak. Couple times I heard you read it as "negative" and it might cause a little confusion.
Personally i would have put the logo out as close to the end as possible for it get more visual because you will most likely clamp more 0"-6"+ parts in it than 6"-12"+ parts. Just my oppinion that means nothing. lol
@ attn Abom79: where is the session 3 Inspection & Troubleshooting Hydraulic Systems video, been through your vids twice but can't seem to find it??????
Do you ever miss the day to day heavy machining you used to do at Motion?
Put a sticker on your Zaxis way cover that show Direction.
26:27 I know nothing, but are you sure the little squiggly line means "negative" and not "approximately" three-tenths?
Adam, question: Does the shop or Miltronics environmental temperatures have a significant impact on measurements that are in the 10 thousandths range? Thank you for the great videos.
It looks like the temperature coefficient of expansion for steel and cast iron are both a little over 10ppm per degree Celsius. So something two feet long would expand about a tenth for every four degrees celsius, approximately, about more or less. At 10 degrees C (that's 18 F), it's 2.4 thousandths, so that should be pretty noticeable for.a part that's kinda warm. I would guess the machine doesn't warm up as much as the part itself, or at least if you stay away from the motor and drive electronics and such. And then there's all that coolant spraying all over everything... 🙂
Imagine you would need to pay for all the work thst went into this vice! But sure it's a great project and video series.
Way to do a Rob Dahm outro.
HOW MANY POUNDS DOES EACH PRESS WEIGH?
Really fascinating. I sat here anticipating the run programme when this drew to a close. Leave 'em wanting for more Eh? Thanks Adam. This is so interesting.
I love all of your stuff, however 39 minutes talking and repeating everything and not a single cut made is frustrating for me.
Are You kidding Me!
Wait, no chips?!? 😕
No chips. Bummer
Not criticizing people can do what they like early on all i used was dial indicators with .001 graduation marks now all i use mainly are .0001 test indicators and thats probably what i wouldve done with those vices but to each their own its none of my business but thats just my opinion
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Being a Bethlehem native, I love seeing the Bethlehem Steel plaque on the wall above the monitor every time! 🙂
Really? a crane for a 60# piece? Tech just cheated us out of some flying chips too!
this is all good to watch but seems like a lot of work for a vise
Is there a point to this comment?
Adam has stated many times that this is a learning project. Plus there is joy in machining and the learning never stops. Cheers.
@@zorbakaput8537 The point is that he didn't watch the video as he claimed or he would have heard Adam's comments.
Unless you have built the jigs and fixtures and have specialty tooling then working with castings takes time. In this case it is more about Adam enjoying the old toys and learning more about the new ones.
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As a non-US English speaker, it sounds so strange to hear the letter Z pronounced as "zee". I've always suspected that Americans changed the pronunciation from "zed" just so the alphabet song would rhyme. 🙂
Doing a safe cycle of cutting procedures is a good fail safe.
~ is not "minus", but "some"
~ is not "some", but "about" or "approximately", Mr. Smarty Smart Smart. ;-)
@@ydonl
I definitely deserve it.
@@MPenzlin We all do, buddy.
Damn first comment
There wasn't any machining in this video. I come for the machining.
The title said "Dynamic Jaw Machine Setup." I know ... sometimes comprehension is hard.
Not as hard as getting a part parallel.
Abby should learn to run a machine. Just something simple.
40 minutes of no machining… should have read the title more carefully. I’m happy you have people who like to watch this, but it’s not me.
Does this guy actually make anything to pay the bills?
Pointless vice anyone can over engineer. Like your show✌️
Then why do you see so many broken vises? Most vises are made for a price point not strength.
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Sorry. For almost 40 minutes and you haven't done anything to the material. Your older videos are much better. You're just describing too many details.
Almost 40 minutes without a singly chip, dozed off twice - CNC has become decidedly boring for me, im spoiled on Aboms previous years of manual / lathe / mill work. lol
Yeah, the new format isn't for everyone. I'm one of those who miss the old manual machining. I'm not into CNC. I've worked with NC machines though.
Don't you find that 'good content for the channel '?😅😅
@@thanos_vgenis theres lots of good content on this channel :)
@yambo59 I can recommend Topper machining LLC and Steve summers! if you arent allready following them
I enjoy watching someone who is skilled at one set of skills learning another set of related skills. If this video isn’t for you, just move on. Not everything has to be.
I'm out, enjoyed the older content, not this sponsored BS
How in your tiny mind is this 'sponsored'. Look through other creators content where they don't mention a brand or type of something used to see the question getting asked what was that thing used in the comments. The reality is while you are watching this more than likely for 'free' with your addblocker switched on Adam still needs to make a living!
@@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994Milltronics. What about that is NOT sponsored?
@@andrewterry8092 So using your lack of understanding the Milltronics machines on loan can not ever be used even to set a job up on because 'sponsored bs' as the OP put it. Get a clue or build a bridge UA-cam for Adam is the business!
@@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994 You asked how was it sponsored. I answered the question. I don't know what you're trying to say now. Care to rephrase?
@@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994 I prefer real work, on real jobs, for real people. Like Adam used to do, and CEE does so well.
Are you serious? This is literally like the fifth video of this exact part, not being machined at all. And on 3 separate machines now. This content has become a joke, it used to be so good too. Then you went and built this shop that you have zero work for and only Starrett and CRC paying the bills. Sadge really...
"You have zero work for" Are YOU serious? I guess you missed the pinion shaft project ... the flange project ... the 3" angle iron project ... the long shaft keyseat project.
It is a joke most don't seem to get. It's a shame, really. Milking everything. GO CEE!