If u do a shit degree at a shit uni, expect no less. If u do a STEM subject at a world renowned uni which is at the top of the UK rankings, then you'll be living
Agree. If you're going to study Media Studies at University of East London, or Social Sciences at Sheffield Hallam University - then you're just wasting your time, because employers won't recognise your degree qualification. And you will have been conned out of around £30,000. It's absolutely obscene how University tuition fees are this high. It's disgusting.
This is sort of true if you want to stay in the UK. However, an undergraduate degree can be your passport out of the UK. I know it was for me. Don’t worry about the debt. You never really have to pay it off. You don’t even get bad credit. If you live abroad they loans people are easy to mug off. I ran up a *massive* debt back in the mid 2000s, never paid a single penny back and never lost a wink of sleep over it.
this is why im getting a degree. i wanted to teach in asia but without a degree they shut the doors on me. now at home working with maintenace loan and stacking for 3 years so i can get out when i finsihed
perhaps if you hadn't dropped out the first time, you'd be somewhere. Most students these days don't bother picking a book up and see University as one big party. You get out what you put in. I'm both a tradesman and an academic.
Tradesmen are able to do their jobs because university educated designers and engineers have carried out the research needed to develop the tools and materials they use....
I hate when people who've never worked a manual job in their life say "just get a trade, bro" because it's not suitable for a lot of people. Working outside or lifting stuff all day gets to you and a lot of people, especially zoomers cannot hack it. Also if you're dumb as a sea sponge then you're just going to be stuck earning minimum wage and destroying your body humping and dumping into your 50's. Trades jobs also do not pay that well unless you are working for yourself and work very hard and smart. The day rates sound good until you deduct the price of tools, van costs and other business costs and there's no paid holidays. Also when your tools eventually get nicked (At least a few times a year unless you lock them inside your house). I say this as a laborer as well. A lot of people cannot hack working a trade and realistically you don't want to be stuck laboring for £80-£100 a day in your 30's. If you have a reasonable head and want to put up with schooling then just become a surveyor or something on those lines. There's still plenty of potential there if you have a good work ethic and don't mind the stress.
Thanks to David Cameron and the Torys, the University study and living fees have exploded. In addition, paying the debts back, one actually stay on just paying the added debt rate back. Finding a job after uni, which is fairly paid according to the cost one pays for university, is a totally unrealistic circumstance. I feel very sorry for the young generation, being in a kind of way financially abused with so little or no hope in this.
Jayden, if you want to go to Thailand go on a student visa first and get your feet wet. What I mean is just register with a Thai language school that teaches people the language and use that to get the visa and then make your plans from there. Good luck with whatever you want to do.
Be honest, how well did you do at college & university? Did you get 3 A* & get into a top London Uni & get a 1st or 2 Cs & a B & get into a lower tier uni & get a 2:2? There is a massive difference. If you get into a top London uni like LSE or Imperial & get a 1st you will basically have a corporate job in London or the city the week after you graduate earning £40K+. If you graduate with a 2:2 from a lower-tier university you are going to struggle even to get an entry-level graduate job. That's the reality. It's not really the system, it's down to you, how hard you work & how intelligent you are.
I agree with what you say but even graduates from top unis don't even get £40k a year straight out unless it's finance-related as that's what the City of London runs on basically (banking). Most start on £30k plus.
@@AA-Crow For finance yes; but for IT roles not so; for IT only mid-level developers that have commercial experience with a tech stack get those salaries. Go look at the requirements for any generic mid-level software developer (and even at junior) job and see the list of technologies they want you to be proficient in (with projects and not all of them are covered in university) and some are now demanding experience with cloud as well (Azure/AWS) and DevOps too. The graduates in IT usually have to go do a Masters or go to a bootcamp at least. I work with databases so I am familiar with this sector. The market is great for experienced developers but not new graduates.
@@rendezyt Many do, £40K+ after tax is around £2700 pm. That's not that much. What I am saying is if you excel at a top London university you are pretty much guaranteed to get a high-paying job in London. I know plenty of people who got very high-paying jobs in Marketing, finance, IT/tech, legal services, even design & arts after graduating in the last few years. It was pretty much down to how well they did at university & how good they were at interviewing. If you are just average, the reality is you will be lucky to get an average graduate job if at all.
@@AA-Crow I'm talking about IT specifically not other sectors. And when I mean IT I mean people that type code and use frameworks to make software, use SQL and deploy applications not people that work in tech companies as analysts, accountants, advertising/marketing and legal service experts etc. When you hear people on the internet say they work in the tech/corporate world you'll end up finding out they are not software developers or cloud engineers or database developers or solutions architects.
i wanna go to the open university and im wondering if its worth it since ill be able to work online. ill start in october of 2026 so thatll give me an extra month to prepare. i havent heard many accounts from people but the ones i have heard are all positive. i also want to study either criminology or psychology, but the more i think about it the more i think that ill study criminology. yes, it can be counted as a useless degree as there arent many job opportunities out there but i personally enjoy criminology and im thinking about doing extra reading. the psychology job market is oversaturated anyways so i think itll be better if i did that subject instead. i want to become either something to do with psychology, a counsellor or a probation officer so that gives me more routes for the future. i have no clue whether being a probation officer is in high demand but i guess ill have to see in the future. itll be cheaper to go to the open university anyways so there'll be less student loans. i swear you have to earn a certain amount to start paying it back anyways. enough about my ramble, i agree to a certain extent since there are better options nowadays like doing a degree apprenticeship or going straight into work. i dont even have to get a degree to become a probation officer but there'll be more training to do. props to any apprentices who are earning money whilst working, that takes a lot of hard work and dedication. who knows, i might even change my mind within the next year or two and do a degree apprenticeship or go straight into work. i dont even have to a degree apprenticeship, i can just do a level 3 one. i swear degree apprentices have a high salary than those who have graduated from university. i saw the statistics from another youtuber.
Don't worry about tuition loans. If you're going into debt without paying back. you may as well go big and take a huge loan. I know plenty of people who have done open university. Good again. However, I managed to get a masters degree without an undergrad. So it's worth considering making a jump. Don't forget if you're unsure about your route. Speak to people. Videos don't help enough. Message companies. Networking :)
@@radders6569 alright i will. how did you manage to get a masters degree without an undergrad? thats quite impressive. i wont be doing my masters degree straight away because i want at least a 2:1 in my undergrad degree. who knows, i might not even do one because it isnt necessary unless if i come to love learning at the open university. i think since im in year 12 ill network using the work experience programmes that ill attend.
If you're a go-getter, it doesn't matter if you go to uni or not. You'll do well either way. If you aren't, you'd better hope you're at a reasonably reputable one doing something desirable (Law, Economics, etc.).
short sight idea. If people are going to Uni for getting drunk with people in the same age that just mean they shouldn't be there.People who own a UK degree are a lot easier than people from anywhere to find a job in other countries.If you don't have a degree then no.
A lot of my family members have been to university university graduates earn hundreds of thousands of pounds more over a lifetime also university graduates have far more opportunities in life so I absolutely disagree with you
you have a very flawed and biased perspective, do some simple research you'll find out that not everyone is in the same situation as your family bubble
I mostly agree but depends what you do there - for me unless there is a specific job at the end of the course then maybe think of a trade route. Let’s be honest most of these university types are not interested in the work it takes to qualify in a trade or have the skills required. Tbh you sound very negative for such a young person, maybe that’s part of the problem why you are not succeeding? Nobody enjoys such negativity and cynicism in life. Good luck anyway, you have your youth, your looks, your health don’t forget that when you are competing against 40-60 year olds.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, I deserve that 20K in debt.
If u do a shit degree at a shit uni, expect no less. If u do a STEM subject at a world renowned uni which is at the top of the UK rankings, then you'll be living
University is only worth it if you go to a Russell group and you study a STEM subject, otherwise it's a complete and utter waste of time.
Agree. If you're going to study Media Studies at University of East London, or Social Sciences at Sheffield Hallam University - then you're just wasting your time, because employers won't recognise your degree qualification.
And you will have been conned out of around £30,000. It's absolutely obscene how University tuition fees are this high. It's disgusting.
@@robtyman4281 facts
This is sort of true if you want to stay in the UK. However, an undergraduate degree can be your passport out of the UK. I know it was for me. Don’t worry about the debt. You never really have to pay it off. You don’t even get bad credit. If you live abroad they loans people are easy to mug off. I ran up a *massive* debt back in the mid 2000s, never paid a single penny back and never lost a wink of sleep over it.
this is why im getting a degree. i wanted to teach in asia but without a degree they shut the doors on me. now at home working with maintenace loan and stacking for 3 years so i can get out when i finsihed
never lost a wink of sleep over it, eh? I was wondering why the taxes were going through the roof. Having to pay back the coffers for your thievery
@@sotepniques Good man, you’ll love it. You deserve the right to an undergraduate education. If they won’t give it to you, take it.
@@johnmc2514 Cry more, boomer 😂
@@unusedsub3003 boomer? I'm 30 yo
perhaps if you hadn't dropped out the first time, you'd be somewhere. Most students these days don't bother picking a book up and see University as one big party. You get out what you put in. I'm both a tradesman and an academic.
Tradesmen are able to do their jobs because university educated designers and engineers have carried out the research needed to develop the tools and materials they use....
I hate when people who've never worked a manual job in their life say "just get a trade, bro" because it's not suitable for a lot of people. Working outside or lifting stuff all day gets to you and a lot of people, especially zoomers cannot hack it. Also if you're dumb as a sea sponge then you're just going to be stuck earning minimum wage and destroying your body humping and dumping into your 50's.
Trades jobs also do not pay that well unless you are working for yourself and work very hard and smart. The day rates sound good until you deduct the price of tools, van costs and other business costs and there's no paid holidays. Also when your tools eventually get nicked (At least a few times a year unless you lock them inside your house). I say this as a laborer as well. A lot of people cannot hack working a trade and realistically you don't want to be stuck laboring for £80-£100 a day in your 30's.
If you have a reasonable head and want to put up with schooling then just become a surveyor or something on those lines. There's still plenty of potential there if you have a good work ethic and don't mind the stress.
Thanks to David Cameron and the Torys, the University study and living fees have exploded. In addition, paying the debts back, one actually stay on just paying the added debt rate back. Finding a job after uni, which is fairly paid according to the cost one pays for university, is a totally unrealistic circumstance. I feel very sorry for the young generation, being in a kind of way financially abused with so little or no hope in this.
Jayden, if you want to go to Thailand go on a student visa first and get your feet wet. What I mean is just register with a Thai language school that teaches people the language and use that to get the visa and then make your plans from there. Good luck with whatever you want to do.
Be honest, how well did you do at college & university? Did you get 3 A* & get into a top London Uni & get a 1st or 2 Cs & a B & get into a lower tier uni & get a 2:2?
There is a massive difference. If you get into a top London uni like LSE or Imperial & get a 1st you will basically have a corporate job in London or the city the week after you graduate earning £40K+. If you graduate with a 2:2 from a lower-tier university you are going to struggle even to get an entry-level graduate job.
That's the reality. It's not really the system, it's down to you, how hard you work & how intelligent you are.
I agree with what you say but even graduates from top unis don't even get £40k a year straight out unless it's finance-related as that's what the City of London runs on basically (banking). Most start on £30k plus.
@@rendezyt Graduate Finance & IT/tech jobs in London pay easily £40+ if you get the grades & pass the interviews.
@@AA-Crow For finance yes; but for IT roles not so; for IT only mid-level developers that have commercial experience with a tech stack get those salaries. Go look at the requirements for any generic mid-level software developer (and even at junior) job and see the list of technologies they want you to be proficient in (with projects and not all of them are covered in university) and some are now demanding experience with cloud as well (Azure/AWS) and DevOps too. The graduates in IT usually have to go do a Masters or go to a bootcamp at least. I work with databases so I am familiar with this sector. The market is great for experienced developers but not new graduates.
@@rendezyt Many do, £40K+ after tax is around £2700 pm. That's not that much. What I am saying is if you excel at a top London university you are pretty much guaranteed to get a high-paying job in London. I know plenty of people who got very high-paying jobs in Marketing, finance, IT/tech, legal services, even design & arts after graduating in the last few years. It was pretty much down to how well they did at university & how good they were at interviewing.
If you are just average, the reality is you will be lucky to get an average graduate job if at all.
@@AA-Crow I'm talking about IT specifically not other sectors. And when I mean IT I mean people that type code and use frameworks to make software, use SQL and deploy applications not people that work in tech companies as analysts, accountants, advertising/marketing and legal service experts etc. When you hear people on the internet say they work in the tech/corporate world you'll end up finding out they are not software developers or cloud engineers or database developers or solutions architects.
i wanna go to the open university and im wondering if its worth it since ill be able to work online. ill start in october of 2026 so thatll give me an extra month to prepare. i havent heard many accounts from people but the ones i have heard are all positive. i also want to study either criminology or psychology, but the more i think about it the more i think that ill study criminology. yes, it can be counted as a useless degree as there arent many job opportunities out there but i personally enjoy criminology and im thinking about doing extra reading. the psychology job market is oversaturated anyways so i think itll be better if i did that subject instead. i want to become either something to do with psychology, a counsellor or a probation officer so that gives me more routes for the future. i have no clue whether being a probation officer is in high demand but i guess ill have to see in the future. itll be cheaper to go to the open university anyways so there'll be less student loans. i swear you have to earn a certain amount to start paying it back anyways. enough about my ramble, i agree to a certain extent since there are better options nowadays like doing a degree apprenticeship or going straight into work. i dont even have to get a degree to become a probation officer but there'll be more training to do. props to any apprentices who are earning money whilst working, that takes a lot of hard work and dedication. who knows, i might even change my mind within the next year or two and do a degree apprenticeship or go straight into work. i dont even have to a degree apprenticeship, i can just do a level 3 one. i swear degree apprentices have a high salary than those who have graduated from university. i saw the statistics from another youtuber.
Don't worry about tuition loans. If you're going into debt without paying back. you may as well go big and take a huge loan.
I know plenty of people who have done open university. Good again.
However, I managed to get a masters degree without an undergrad. So it's worth considering making a jump.
Don't forget if you're unsure about your route. Speak to people. Videos don't help enough. Message companies.
Networking :)
@@radders6569 alright i will. how did you manage to get a masters degree without an undergrad? thats quite impressive. i wont be doing my masters degree straight away because i want at least a 2:1 in my undergrad degree. who knows, i might not even do one because it isnt necessary unless if i come to love learning at the open university. i think since im in year 12 ill network using the work experience programmes that ill attend.
If you're a go-getter, it doesn't matter if you go to uni or not. You'll do well either way.
If you aren't, you'd better hope you're at a reasonably reputable one doing something desirable (Law, Economics, etc.).
short sight idea. If people are going to Uni for getting drunk with people in the same age that just mean they shouldn't be there.People who own a UK degree are a lot easier than people from anywhere to find a job in other countries.If you don't have a degree then no.
true
A lot of my family members have been to university university graduates earn hundreds of thousands of pounds more over a lifetime also university graduates have far more opportunities in life so I absolutely disagree with you
you have a very flawed and biased perspective, do some simple research you'll find out that not everyone is in the same situation as your family bubble
I mostly agree but depends what you do there - for me unless there is a specific job at the end of the course then maybe think of a trade route.
Let’s be honest most of these university types are not interested in the work it takes to qualify in a trade or have the skills required.
Tbh you sound very negative for such a young person, maybe that’s part of the problem why you are not succeeding? Nobody enjoys such negativity and cynicism in life.
Good luck anyway, you have your youth, your looks, your health don’t forget that when you are competing against 40-60 year olds.
£60k grad salary IB easy