Dev, you're totally awesome! You don't put anything behind a paywall, you don't make us sign up for some newsletter on your website, you're not monetizing your videos, you're not promoting some crappy product from a sponsor, you're not doing a shameless plug to buy some t-shirts off you, you're just letting it loose on youtube. I love how you educate us on how various attack vectors are used but show us some clever solutions while making us aware that there is no magic bullet (even with truckloads of cash). Heck, you even teach us how to make life better and to be better people to others. Keep on, keeping on brother!
thanks so much for appreciating things! i don't ever want to outright disparage the folk who monetize their content... it's their work and they can do as they please (and this new economy is wild with lots of folk getting to earn a living in ways that previous generations would have never imagined) but it's simply not a thing I am keen on. on that "newsletter" front, i should say... i am likely moving away from my old way of doing the prize give-aways and moving to an email-based system (so many folk were hard to contact and get prizes sent!) but it won't be used for a newsletter... i only plan to send out an announcement if my UA-cam channel ever gets targeted by a mass report campaign by fascists or something and you all can then rescue me from UA-cam jail if I ask you to ping their support team. =)
@@DeviantOllam good idea! more youtubers should have a backup for "channel strike targeting" and while yt support absolutely sucks, with enough peeps it just may work!
Security is challenging when you rent and don't have a receptive landlord. But you've shown lots of things that can improve security even when you can't change the lock type. Changing out a spring, threading the pin holes, dropping in spool pins, having good variance in the bitting, fixing latch plates so the deadlatch works, using hinge security pins. There are a lot of things I've learned from you for tricks when changing locks is not an option. I'd love to buy you a bottle of something nice or somehow pay you back for sharing all of this information!
that's so cool of you to say! you can skip the bottle for now (buy a meal or a care package for an unhoused person instead?) and if we're ever in a con together, we can each get a round of drinks for one another. =)
@@DeviantOllam Anything coming up in Seattle that you'll be at? Or Missoula? I'd like to take a shot at finishing the Gringo Warrior some day! The other day my employer was giving out gift certificates to the caterers we use to support them and support the employees. I asked that mine be given to the shelter near our Portland office. The uncertainty of these times is bringing out the best and the worst in people. Thank you for leading people toward their "better selves". In fact, I work in IT, but was inspired to take the victim advocate course and become a credentialed advocate based on a comment you made about having taken the course.
@@ZiggityPow Wow! That's really amazing to hear. As far as things that are upcoming, Seattle was going to have besides Seattle, but that has been pushed. And in Montana there is Big Sky Cyber Con, but it's not certain at the moment whether this will take place in person or move entirely online as a virtual event. Ostensibly, I'm speaking at both of these as well as many other cons, so I'm tracking the issues and the news as best I can while things develop. :-)
I used to have to copy a lot of DND keys at the local hardware store for my work (customer linen store rooms with one set per delivery truck, and the originals safely in my desk lol), and the old guy who did keys payed attention to the DND, so I just started labeling the keys with a little square of paper and scotch tape, right on top of the DND lol Never had a problem again.
You forgot to mention the other reasons why Abus padlocks are so great. With an inexpensive adapter you can put in what ever kind of KIK cylinder you want in them. You can make one keyed in Kwikset, Corbin Russwin Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, or whatever you want. Also replacement shackles and parts are easy to get and they last forever. The other kind of padlocks that are cool are the Strattec ones that you can key up to match your car key. It's great to have one on a truck hitch or trailer because as long as you have your car key you can always open your padlock and it eliminates one extra key you have to carry around.
I’ve been consolidating locks to 1 key for the past year. Changed 8 sets of door locks, still have a few more to go as I’m also remodeling and adding an addition. Got rid of all the junky Defiant and Kwikset and replaced them with Schlage B60N. Then I replaced all the aluminum or pot metal cores with brass. I have a full LAB .003” pinning kit and LAB security pin kit so threw in a few serrated and spool pins into each one. And the 6th pin is protected by the 5th with a MACS of 7. Still trying to find a source for ASSA .114” steel pins at a reasonable price. I think it’ll help from drilling. I have one B560 with a B600 deadbolt but will be ordering a couple more B600’s with the solid non-adjustable deadbolt. I’ve watched two videos where they kicked open a door with B60N and the adjustable deadbolt eventually broke on both of them. One was the famous Shark Tank video of the 2 guys promoting their door security device and couldn’t kick the “easy” door down. And the other was a promotional video of a Provia steel door when they drop a ram on it. And have a few Primus cylinders which are bitted the same as the B60N which will be used on the entry doors. The Primus keys work on all the doors. I also have a myriad of ABUS 83 and Stanley padlocks that are all keyed the same as well for various applications. The Stanley, if you want to use an SC4 key, you need to file one end of the spine near the bow down to fit into the recessed cylinder. If you just rekey the house doors to fit a Stanley key, you don’t need to worry about that. They’re bitted all 6 pins. The only thing that bugs me is that I want to use a couple of Schlage FE595 keypad locks that’ve had but 6 pin cores don’t fit. It’s not a deal breaker because the key would hardly ever need to be used on those and I can pin it so that I only insert my 6 pin key up to pin 2. But it still irks me. Loved your series and I’ll be referencing it to others that may be interested in redoing their locks.
Very good. I should note my favorite bypass for a DND stamp is...get this... a sticker. But when there are completely automatic duplicators everywhere, that is not a great way to go. Of note, the primus can be duplicated on to a C keyway, or any other in the series, and those will still work in your C keyways, but you can still add that extra protection to the key. Also of note, LSDA makes a generic of that Abus padlock, with many of the same keyways available, and compatible with the other ad-in keyways, like multilock. I have found them to be a nice upsell when rekeying a newly occupied house or commercial property. Do remember, though, that a padlock of the same bitting, placed far enough away to be cut off without notice, could result in someone simply removing and making a key from afar. So a shed near the back door is fine, whereas a shack .5K away, perhaps less so, especially if you are showing off that everything is the same key.
Thanks for this series of videos! What better way to spend some time. Viewing pleasure and some serious security upgrades to my home. Keep at it, much appreciated.
Okay, I'm excited. I am just starting to look at my lock stragity at my house. I ordered a schlage Pin kit to key all my locks the same, but have been thinking of what is next how do I improve from there. My one request is at some point in the series could you talk about garage doors. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. They are inspiring.
@@DeviantOllam I think my security concern with my garage door is a little more basic than you might be thinking, no fancy opener. The lock is a filing cabinet style lock in the middle of the handle, it pre dates anything electronic, assuming that's why you were talking about Sammy.
@@jasonperry6046 ah, hah... yeah now I understand. :-) Your garage t-handle style lock is a crossbar on the inside? Likely a wafer lock. I bet it's possible to get that style mechanism in other key solutions, but I've never looked. Now I'm curious.
@@jasonperry6046 ah, gotcha Maybe a solution like this is in the works one day for you?... www.lukuexpert.ee/en/rim-locks/893/GARAGE+DOOR+RIM+LOCK+ABLOY+RI207+%2B+HANDLE+6180-ABRI207.html
I used Schlage locks in my house. I have a very aggressive high and low bitted 6 pin key, all my deadbolts are double cylinder, 6 pin on the outside, 5 pin on the inside. Like you mentioned about the Primus key working in a normal Schlage C keyway, the 6 pon key will work in a 5 pin lock, as long as it is pinned to the last 5 teeth of the key. I also use Abus 83 series padlocks on my gates and security doors, all 6 pin. I use a mix of spools, serrated, and hardened steel top pins, as well as varying spring tensions. I also made sure all my doorknobs have the dead latch set up correctly. I had a break in a few years ago, before all this was in place. I got big into physical security after that. New to your channel, and I'm loving your content. Thank you for what you do, and sharing your knowledge and insight with us.
I really like the idea of the convenience of universally key bitting every personal lock I use. Btw, I really like the ABUS 83 series pinning window too. The downside. If I lose 1 key, someone can access my entire life, except my vehicle. So far, I've kept front door, back door, and Abus padlocks keyed separately. The "human" factor. Being careless and losing the key. A thief finds out about the universal key. Someone ends up with a copy of a copy of a copy. Hmm.
I remember seeing one of your presentations/videos where you mentioned hinge pins and then watching this video about lock recommendations I want to ask: Could you consider making a video about a combination of locking mechanisms, frames, doors, deadbolts, hinge pins, etc which can make for an ultra high security entryway for a home owner?
Many lock companies made locks that can all work on one key, Yale, Corbin, Sargent, Russwin, as well as Schlage just to name a few Schlage made there own mortise cylinders, padlocks, rim cylinders, and cabinet locks and can all be made work with one kay
As a locksmith I have only one thing to say about this video and concept.... Remember that scene where the Hulk runs out into the arena and Thor's like "YEEEEESSSSS!!!! He's a friend of mine!!!" That's about it... Not even what happened after (though I'll gladly accept a few lumps if it means folks have better security)..... PLEASE show folks how they can take their standard Schalge and convert it to Primus or at VERY least Everest... SLIGHTLY less than half of Americans ALREADY have a Schlage C keyway system... (unless you got kwikset, in which case, I have interesting news for you.... they suck on every possible level... which if you're reading this, you prolly already know) So the BEST case if you don't want to completely redo your hardware is to redo the cylinders... and MOST, not all, of the products Schlage makes are convertible... Those that aren't will still be cross compatible with the C keyway) It might take a SMALL amount of planning, to bump up from the standard to the Primus, but it's worth it. (BTW....There are other higher security cylinders that will fit the Schlage hardware but they're going to be more expensive, and honestly unless you're "short time cheaping it" if you want that stuff, you should really just start from scratch and get that stuff) but THIS is a damn good compromise...
Doing a quick search for the Primus and I see Dev's video on using a bump key for this lock. Luckily it doesn't seem to be a "easy" thing to do for the average Joe.
@@DeviantOllam If you have the right blank you can grind the key down so just the finger pin section remains. Stick it in the keyway and now all you have to do is pick the top pins. It makes it very trivial to pick Primus, but only if you know what key they're using.
@@SateenDuraLuxe yes, This attack is much more common with the Everest than it is with the Primus. because, in the legacy systems, there was only a single Everest sidebar configuration. With Primus, there are loads. There is, of course, the level one basic sidebar which is consistent throughout the nation. But if someone has a regional sidebar, it's much harder to figure out the correct position of those fingerpins if they have ordered their locks from a locksmith not in their area. Which is what I've always done. ;-)
Hello Mr Ollam. Longtime subscriber first time commenter. Can you recommend a "smart"/keyless front door lock? I was thinking about the Schlage BE365 V CAM 619. Also, what do you suggest for securing a sliding glass door?
How do those mortise locks stand up compared to a knob and deadbolt against physical attacks, assuming they are installed correctly and you have to brute force it? I would love to see a video on what you would suggest to increase home security against physical attacks
I'm not a big fan of keying padlocks the same as the building. It's too easy to steal one and getting the bitting. Perhaps even figure out the master key if you have a change key for the padlock. What do you think of the schlage quads? No patent, so nothing published. There's also quad compatible primus systems. But you pay a premium for either.
Hi there, can you please make a video on how to pick Euro Cylinder locks using a Lishi Tool? I dont know which tool to purchase for Euro Cylinder locks. Thank you very much :).
I really like the idea of moving to a Primus core for my house (3x DeadBolt, 3 x KIL), but getting my own blanks is a problem. It's nice no one can walk into Walmart or Home Depot with my key to get a copy, but now I can't get a copy either.
yeah... you have to have a locksmith who will work with you and cut you plenty of fresh key copies (i made 10 copies of my main key, all stamped, and keep them in my safe, as seen in a previous video)
Your best bet is to find a locksmith who supports locksport and works with Primus. As a locksmith, I can tell you that they are few and far between, sadly.
@@RealJonDoe thx Joe. When I needed a Best key with a specific single cut to calibrate one of my machines, the local locksmith would not do it. There are a few on eBay so I'll need to keep watching for a great deal.
Oh lucky day!! Just realized I already have a pair of Abus 81/45 locks on my fence. Now to verify what keyway and if I need a new core or just to re-pin to match the house. Thanks again Dev for all of the great info! Happy Easter and Salúd.
Thanks for sharing Nice video I personally would not key a padlock to the same key as my home. I'm too paranoid about the possibility that overnight or when gone for a period of time... The padlock can be stolen, reversed engineered, & replaced. Leaving someone with a key to my home.
@DeviantOllam I had immediately the same thoughts when you mentioned keying the padlock the same way as the house key. Yes, mastering could make it harder to deduct the right bidding for the house door, but once a lock is pwned (a) there are not that many combinations, making it relatively simple to make all the keys for someone who really wants to get into your house, and (b) mastered keyways are by their nature easier to pick as there are multiple sheer lines for you to get (I am sure you will recommend security pins, and that helps, but that's another topic). All in all, I don't think I would "do this at home".
@@mpuzar on that front porch box that I built where I used these locks, we only populated four of the six chambers in the padlocks. A front porch thief would have been stymied, frankly, by a lock that only had two pinchambers in it most likely. But with four chambers populated up, including many spools and serrated pins plus one or two of those heavy heavy anti-bump pins, that was sufficient for our security purposes. And if somehow someone were to have ripped one of those locks clean off and taken at home and cut it apart... It's still not getting them the full keying information for the deadbolt on the door. But, at that point, we're really getting into pretty crazy threat model territory.
So, where can you purchase Primus or Primus XP locks? I could do with a single Primus XP and yet I can't find one... I COULD travel 100 miles to the state coronavirus hotspot just to get one, but you would think someone would sell them online.
when i used to live in Montana, a local dealer sold that line. i'm curious if calling around to various ALOA locksmiths in your area would enable you to connect with someone who sells them.
Is there similar advice or an equally knowledgable source for european locking systems? For exmaple here in Germany, something like this deadbolt doesn't exist at all.
Better than someone I am related to that has two doors with handle and deadbolt locks but only one handle lock gets locked. The only problem I’d see is if that padlock was easily stolen off something you might not notice promptly and the thief did it knowing all were keyed alike and he had skills to decode the key.
@@nixel5695 ah, indeed... But as you will see in an upcoming video, if a stolen lock is mastered, that severely hampers a potential adversary's ability to immediately discern the correct functional bitting which would open all the locks in the system.
@@DeviantOllam and I've worked in 3/4 of a million square foot office buildings that had to be entirely re-keyed because someone lost a key. I guess everything is a trade off.
It's uncanny. I've spent more than 4 decades living in Abus country and I've yet to come across an Abus Abus padlock with a replaceable core. It almost feels like that's a feature reserved for foreign markets. I feel a little bit betrayed
@@DeviantOllam Thank you, that's a very generous offer! But: I don't really need one, I just find the fact curious that I keep seeing cool Abus stuff on international channels that I've never seen in Abus' home country. Makes me wonder why. That's all
You can buy for example Abus 72/40 in the normal hardware stores in Germany, thus I‘m quite sure that you must have seen some Abus padlocks with replaceable cores.
as someone with impaired movement and tremors in my hands I find keys really hard to use in general. for that reason I have been looking in to keyless electronic locks. are any of those even slightly safe?
Conner In general they’re a good idea, but many of them are cheaply made and have easily exploitable security flaws. If you can find one that’s not easily bypassable, it should be good for you. If you don’t want to sift through cheap electronic locks to find a good one, you can try getting a commercial setup for your door with an RFID reader and an electronic strike plate.
@@Deviraux Just make sure the outside electronics are dumb, and don't just control the strikeplate/verify the passcode themselves. In general, if you can get something that has opto-isolators for the data from outside to inside, along with overvoltage protection to safely contain any attempts at spiking with a HV pulse, and you use a physically-separate transformer for providing power to that RFID reader/keypad, you should be reasonably safe. Though, in general, the RFID technology makes it easy to clone them, and even the good ones would require bidirectional communication with the outside unit (difficult to secure against electronic/voltage attacks), or would "only" require skimming the RFID card and then replacing the RFID reader with an electronic chip that just injects the skimmed result. I think, maybe, a car-fob unlock device might be of use. They tend to get security somewhat right, and you might be able to get one that you could connect to an electronic latch/deadbolt.
20/20 hindsight but yeah, having a matching keyway with side pins or other optional features means you could have one key for everything without every Lock actually being identical. that way you could have as you say a Padlock that's the same as your Home door but simply copying the main Pins from such a Key wouldn't let someone break into your Home. worst case they steal what you've got Padlocked but you mitigated the disaster. fuckin' cool!
You don’t want to buy them online because there’s no guarantee that you could find extra keys for them in the future. The keys are controlled by region so your local locksmith can’t get blanks for your lock that purchased on EBay.
1. Frankie and Whisper appear from time to time... i bet they might jump around in the upcoming Q&A video 2. a "neuter bow" is a key like this... www.clksupplies.com/products/sc1-schlage-neuter-bow-key ...many locksmith shops will almost instantly recognize that head shape and say "this was from a locksmith supply channel... we do not copy these" 3. ah, that debate never ends. in the US, they say /AY-bus/ (like Fonzie would say "Ayyyyy" on Happy Days) but in Germany they say /AHH-bus/ and I first heard of the brand at LockCon ages ago in Europe, so I say it that way. =)
@@DeviantOllam RE: neuter bow Is neuter possibly just an incorrect translation of a non-English word for a word like sterile? Sterile meaning "unmarked". I've seen key suppliers use the term applied to bows that are pre-stamped with "Do not copy" as well as those that have a flat place to stamp rather than Ilco, SC1, or the other typical manufacturer info.
Locks are only a token and offer no real deterrent unless you address all security issues. I attended on average 35 break ins a week and have done for several years,I have never been to one where a lock was picked.
Well, technically speaking, the key is the token. But, yes, most thieves do not pick locks. Why would they? They have windows that break with rocks, or even, assuming enough force and mass, large tokens. At the same time, most people do not have anything worth learning to pick locks over, so why would someone want to?
If you dig into Deviant's videos he addresses these topics in depth. Brute force, smashing a window, unhinging a door in seconds, turning the handle from the other side with wire, even spitting whiskey at a motion sensor at a bank through the gap in the doors. I think this video is more for the people who have already addressed all of the other main issues and just want to nerd out a bit more on the locks themselves. His final line of defense is going to be a firearm for when he's home, although I doubt anyone is getting in that dude's house discreetly. If you're gone and someone really wants in, they are getting in. Guess the only trick then would be to have your house be a worse target than your dumbest neighbor, which shouldn't be too hard...
Also interested to hear about Euro cylinder. I've been recommended Avocet ABS and Ultion in the past if that helps, UK here. The ABS can be keyed alike with padlocks and rim locks as per the video.
I had a heck of a time trying to get a Primus FSIC core for one of my Paclocks. Allegion would not return my calls or emails, and there are no shops local to me that would help me out. I had to drive well out of my way to find a shop near a larger city and ask in person if someone could provide me one. It was very frustrating, but it's probably my favorite lock after my Abloy PL350 with a Protec2 keyway. As an aside, I'm very disappointed with the design of the Schlage FSIC when used in a padlock, there's not a lot of material that you need to drill out in order to just push in the retaining pin and drop the core out.
Man, I need to seriously look into courses on locksmithing, or atleast find some extra things to stare at online. Any good online classes on the topic people can suggest? Dont really have the ability to go off fer classes and going to one of the two colleges that I found fer it is way outta budget... But hey, using a key duplicating machine is fun, as is resorting the key blanks at a hardware store when *someone* decides to just shove them wherever...
I'm just sitting here in Finland and wondering are Abloys/similar tech knockoffs expensive over the pond or why the hell are people still using such simple lock designs in their houses?
yes, this. and also we don't tend to be as accepting of "thick" keys that are super wide.... you folk have been using rotating disk mechanisms since 1900. they're still quite new here. =)
@@DeviantOllam Abloy needs to be operated, not just shoving the key to general direction of keyway. We are used to them. Disc detainer locks have vulnerability of failing/seizing if not designed properly, Abloy knows its business and they last forever. Bad pintumbler may be vulnerable but it generally works. Bad disc detainer may leave you outside in rain. Thats why knockoff dd:s never to door. That other company starting with A makes passable disc detainers also. Just my 2c. Best overkill I have ever seen: Abloy 341 with Protec cylinder locking an steel beam across small road in middle of fields, and you could drive with car on both sides of the beam itself. 😊
[NOTE: I'm not trying to slam you, or the video in general. I'm just pointing out a common mistake that us experts (in any field) make when handing out 'general advice'.) Who exactly is this advice for? I cannot imagine telling a 'layman' that it would be a good idea to get a lock with a key that they can't have duplicated locally. That just isn't a reasonable burden to expect 'normal' people to carry. Especially when we DO expect them to learn at LEAST a little bit about [subject] to begin with.
It's for people who know what they want and are willing to pay for it. Most people aren't willing to pay $130+ for a single lock (pricing for a single Primus core) unless they're spending their boss' money, think it's a cool system, or want something that their contractor can't just go to the local Ace Hardware and get a copy made.
The people that are looking into this know they have to order the lock online and this video tells them they need to order the key also. That said if you have a locksmith in town I bet they can duplicate it but they might have to order it. That said buy it once, have it all keyed alike and you should be good to go unless you have a breach in security (lose a key). If you go to move, replace the locks with cheap kwikset as you go and take the good ones with you. You're supposed to replace, or at least rekey, all the locks when you move anyways but I can guarantee that a lot of people don't.
@@HickLif3 It's actually quite difficult to order a Primus core online, you need a locksmith to order them from an Allegion distributor (I've been trying to find them online for the last few days). Additionally, anything past Level 1 (1+, 2, 3, 4) all require more and more work to prove you own the lock in order to get replacement keys, to the point at level 4N you have an exclusive relationship with Allegion for the side bitting and no other locksmith in the country can order keys for you (large scale corporate campus). Level 1 any locksmith can order if they have an agreement with Allegion (authorized dealer only), but 1+ is dealer exclusive within a zipcode. Level 2 is dealer exclusive within a timezone/country, levels 3U/3G and 4Z/4N cannot be ordered by any locksmith as they are exclusive to, and controlled by, the end-user. us.allegion.com/keysystems#
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Dev, you're totally awesome! You don't put anything behind a paywall, you don't make us sign up for some newsletter on your website, you're not monetizing your videos, you're not promoting some crappy product from a sponsor, you're not doing a shameless plug to buy some t-shirts off you, you're just letting it loose on youtube. I love how you educate us on how various attack vectors are used but show us some clever solutions while making us aware that there is no magic bullet (even with truckloads of cash). Heck, you even teach us how to make life better and to be better people to others. Keep on, keeping on brother!
thanks so much for appreciating things! i don't ever want to outright disparage the folk who monetize their content... it's their work and they can do as they please (and this new economy is wild with lots of folk getting to earn a living in ways that previous generations would have never imagined) but it's simply not a thing I am keen on.
on that "newsletter" front, i should say... i am likely moving away from my old way of doing the prize give-aways and moving to an email-based system (so many folk were hard to contact and get prizes sent!) but it won't be used for a newsletter... i only plan to send out an announcement if my UA-cam channel ever gets targeted by a mass report campaign by fascists or something and you all can then rescue me from UA-cam jail if I ask you to ping their support team. =)
@@DeviantOllam good idea! more youtubers should have a backup for "channel strike targeting" and while yt support absolutely sucks, with enough peeps it just may work!
Somewhere in the distance...
*This is the LockPickingLawyer and what I have for you today...*
He watches from time to time. He's a good friend. =)
Security is challenging when you rent and don't have a receptive landlord. But you've shown lots of things that can improve security even when you can't change the lock type. Changing out a spring, threading the pin holes, dropping in spool pins, having good variance in the bitting, fixing latch plates so the deadlatch works, using hinge security pins. There are a lot of things I've learned from you for tricks when changing locks is not an option. I'd love to buy you a bottle of something nice or somehow pay you back for sharing all of this information!
that's so cool of you to say! you can skip the bottle for now (buy a meal or a care package for an unhoused person instead?) and if we're ever in a con together, we can each get a round of drinks for one another. =)
@@DeviantOllam Anything coming up in Seattle that you'll be at? Or Missoula? I'd like to take a shot at finishing the Gringo Warrior some day!
The other day my employer was giving out gift certificates to the caterers we use to support them and support the employees. I asked that mine be given to the shelter near our Portland office.
The uncertainty of these times is bringing out the best and the worst in people. Thank you for leading people toward their "better selves".
In fact, I work in IT, but was inspired to take the victim advocate course and become a credentialed advocate based on a comment you made about having taken the course.
@@ZiggityPow Wow! That's really amazing to hear.
As far as things that are upcoming, Seattle was going to have besides Seattle, but that has been pushed. And in Montana there is Big Sky Cyber Con, but it's not certain at the moment whether this will take place in person or move entirely online as a virtual event.
Ostensibly, I'm speaking at both of these as well as many other cons, so I'm tracking the issues and the news as best I can while things develop. :-)
@@DeviantOllam anything in Alberta, Canada ?
Ah yes.. The old "do not copy" stamp. My local Walmart has a key machine just inside the door. Zero human interaction.
plenty of locksmiths will just straight up ignore "do not duplicate" as well
@@robert-rv8lo Go to a hardware store and they care even less.
I used to have to copy a lot of DND keys at the local hardware store for my work (customer linen store rooms with one set per delivery truck, and the originals safely in my desk lol), and the old guy who did keys payed attention to the DND, so I just started labeling the keys with a little square of paper and scotch tape, right on top of the DND lol
Never had a problem again.
You could get a restricted key way then They won’t have the blank.
that's part of why i like the Primus system
I was going to go Primus but decided to give Bowley a try when re-keying my new house. Been really happy with them so far.
You forgot to mention the other reasons why Abus padlocks are so great. With an inexpensive adapter you can put in what ever kind of KIK cylinder you want in them. You can make one keyed in Kwikset, Corbin Russwin Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, or whatever you want. Also replacement shackles and parts are easy to get and they last forever.
The other kind of padlocks that are cool are the Strattec ones that you can key up to match your car key. It's great to have one on a truck hitch or trailer because as long as you have your car key you can always open your padlock and it eliminates one extra key you have to carry around.
oh nice point about car key compatible locks!
Thanks for that, Sateen! I'm actually in the market for a new trailer hitch lock. That'll be nice to not have a separate key for the hitch lock!
Excellent video.
Useful information, and as a bonus it's engaging without relying on too much fluff.
I’ve been consolidating locks to 1 key for the past year. Changed 8 sets of door locks, still have a few more to go as I’m also remodeling and adding an addition. Got rid of all the junky Defiant and Kwikset and replaced them with Schlage B60N. Then I replaced all the aluminum or pot metal cores with brass. I have a full LAB .003” pinning kit and LAB security pin kit so threw in a few serrated and spool pins into each one. And the 6th pin is protected by the 5th with a MACS of 7. Still trying to find a source for ASSA .114” steel pins at a reasonable price. I think it’ll help from drilling.
I have one B560 with a B600 deadbolt but will be ordering a couple more B600’s with the solid non-adjustable deadbolt. I’ve watched two videos where they kicked open a door with B60N and the adjustable deadbolt eventually broke on both of them. One was the famous Shark Tank video of the 2 guys promoting their door security device and couldn’t kick the “easy” door down. And the other was a promotional video of a Provia steel door when they drop a ram on it.
And have a few Primus cylinders which are bitted the same as the B60N which will be used on the entry doors. The Primus keys work on all the doors.
I also have a myriad of ABUS 83 and Stanley padlocks that are all keyed the same as well for various applications. The Stanley, if you want to use an SC4 key, you need to file one end of the spine near the bow down to fit into the recessed cylinder. If you just rekey the house doors to fit a Stanley key, you don’t need to worry about that. They’re bitted all 6 pins.
The only thing that bugs me is that I want to use a couple of Schlage FE595 keypad locks that’ve had but 6 pin cores don’t fit. It’s not a deal breaker because the key would hardly ever need to be used on those and I can pin it so that I only insert my 6 pin key up to pin 2. But it still irks me.
Loved your series and I’ll be referencing it to others that may be interested in redoing their locks.
That time he bypassed a magnetic lock by spitting out scotch while wearing a suit 😄 classic
Very good. I should note my favorite bypass for a DND stamp is...get this... a sticker. But when there are completely automatic duplicators everywhere, that is not a great way to go. Of note, the primus can be duplicated on to a C keyway, or any other in the series, and those will still work in your C keyways, but you can still add that extra protection to the key.
Also of note, LSDA makes a generic of that Abus padlock, with many of the same keyways available, and compatible with the other ad-in keyways, like multilock. I have found them to be a nice upsell when rekeying a newly occupied house or commercial property. Do remember, though, that a padlock of the same bitting, placed far enough away to be cut off without notice, could result in someone simply removing and making a key from afar. So a shed near the back door is fine, whereas a shack .5K away, perhaps less so, especially if you are showing off that everything is the same key.
Thanks for this series of videos! What better way to spend some time. Viewing pleasure and some serious security upgrades to my home. Keep at it, much appreciated.
As the old adage goes, "you learn something new everyday". Stay healthy and stay happy, Peace 👊!
Thanks don't forget to mask up and turn off the news it's all bad 😝.
Keep 'em coming, going to be building a new house soon. Very timly stuff. Many thanks in advance.
Great advice, I'm going to be utilizing a lot of this for helping my mother have an easier time with fewer keys
Nice teaser, you've got me excited.
Great video! As soon as you said the Primus used the C keyway I could see where you were going, it's a very interesting set of products. Thank you.
Thanks again for sharing the knowledge, and for the “Rules for a Better World.”
Okay, I'm excited.
I am just starting to look at my lock stragity at my house. I ordered a schlage Pin kit to key all my locks the same, but have been thinking of what is next how do I improve from there.
My one request is at some point in the series could you talk about garage doors.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. They are inspiring.
right on! i'll do a garage thing if i can... maybe with Samy Kamkar who has done a lot of work in that area
@@DeviantOllam I think my security concern with my garage door is a little more basic than you might be thinking, no fancy opener. The lock is a filing cabinet style lock in the middle of the handle, it pre dates anything electronic, assuming that's why you were talking about Sammy.
@@jasonperry6046 ah, hah... yeah now I understand. :-)
Your garage t-handle style lock is a crossbar on the inside? Likely a wafer lock. I bet it's possible to get that style mechanism in other key solutions, but I've never looked. Now I'm curious.
DeviantOllam It is a t-handle. On the inside it has a steel wire that disengages a spring loaded latch.
@@jasonperry6046 ah, gotcha
Maybe a solution like this is in the works one day for you?...
www.lukuexpert.ee/en/rim-locks/893/GARAGE+DOOR+RIM+LOCK+ABLOY+RI207+%2B+HANDLE+6180-ABRI207.html
Excellent! I have wanted to upgrade my house locks for a while...
I used Schlage locks in my house. I have a very aggressive high and low bitted 6 pin key, all my deadbolts are double cylinder, 6 pin on the outside, 5 pin on the inside. Like you mentioned about the Primus key working in a normal Schlage C keyway, the 6 pon key will work in a 5 pin lock, as long as it is pinned to the last 5 teeth of the key. I also use Abus 83 series padlocks on my gates and security doors, all 6 pin. I use a mix of spools, serrated, and hardened steel top pins, as well as varying spring tensions. I also made sure all my doorknobs have the dead latch set up correctly. I had a break in a few years ago, before all this was in place. I got big into physical security after that. New to your channel, and I'm loving your content. Thank you for what you do, and sharing your knowledge and insight with us.
If you want any Primus cores to out in those locks, let know and I'll give you my email.
I really like the idea of the convenience of universally key bitting every personal lock I use. Btw, I really like the ABUS 83 series pinning window too. The downside. If I lose 1 key, someone can access my entire life, except my vehicle. So far, I've kept front door, back door, and Abus padlocks keyed separately. The "human" factor. Being careless and losing the key. A thief finds out about the universal key. Someone ends up with a copy of a copy of a copy. Hmm.
Thank you! Learned a lot with great specific advice.
Thanks for luring me away from the Seattle Times online! Very helpful advice.
happy to help! things are wild here in Jet City right now (with no planes in the sky!)
Love the rhino glass nice subtle shout out to Missoula
Love the hand streaming a la Bosnian and Uncle and LPL!!!!
Edit*almost forgot LPL
Thanks for this Dev - hope to see Tarah and you this summer yet at Toor Camp
Excellent video! This is really applicable to real world as pro or layman!
I remember seeing one of your presentations/videos where you mentioned hinge pins and then watching this video about lock recommendations I want to ask: Could you consider making a video about a combination of locking mechanisms, frames, doors, deadbolts, hinge pins, etc which can make for an ultra high security entryway for a home owner?
I do like Primus.... the locks and the band.
"Primus sucks" 😉
@@mannys9130 You hurt me man. You really hurt me. lol
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Awesome video, thanks for making and sharing it 😊
Love videos like this
Ur a lush my friend..yet a very clever lush...I can dig it
That Z bar is "dot visable = retaining, not visible not retaining", so you can leave it in and not loose it. I'm sure you knew it!!
yep! i love that they made such an elegant design!
Many lock companies made locks that can all work on one key, Yale, Corbin, Sargent, Russwin, as well as Schlage just to name a few Schlage made there own mortise cylinders, padlocks, rim cylinders, and cabinet locks and can all be made work with one kay
Deviant Ollam Loving the content man. Thoroughly fascinating. Noob question for you dho....what's that bit driver you use in the vid ?
As a locksmith I have only one thing to say about this video and concept....
Remember that scene where the Hulk runs out into the arena and Thor's like "YEEEEESSSSS!!!! He's a friend of mine!!!"
That's about it... Not even what happened after (though I'll gladly accept a few lumps if it means folks have better security)..... PLEASE show folks how they can take their standard Schalge and convert it to Primus or at VERY least Everest...
SLIGHTLY less than half of Americans ALREADY have a Schlage C keyway system... (unless you got kwikset, in which case, I have interesting news for you.... they suck on every possible level... which if you're reading this, you prolly already know) So the BEST case if you don't want to completely redo your hardware is to redo the cylinders... and MOST, not all, of the products Schlage makes are convertible... Those that aren't will still be cross compatible with the C keyway)
It might take a SMALL amount of planning, to bump up from the standard to the Primus, but it's worth it. (BTW....There are other higher security cylinders that will fit the Schlage hardware but they're going to be more expensive, and honestly unless you're "short time cheaping it" if you want that stuff, you should really just start from scratch and get that stuff) but THIS is a damn good compromise...
15 seconds in, we're pouring my favorite Irish. Is this a hint that I'm in for a treat, or was that, in fact, the high point? Guess I'll find out.
Oh lord...that case. Did you ever drop its contents?
Thanks for the Video, great advice as always!
thankfully i never have, but i'm aware of shops where it has happened. maximum yikes.
I've done it. A mason jar full of colorful pins is kind of pretty on a shelf.
@@taser1984 pretty, yes, but still.., Yikes
Doing a quick search for the Primus and I see Dev's video on using a bump key for this lock. Luckily it doesn't seem to be a "easy" thing to do for the average Joe.
Now I want to see LPL pick a Schlage Primus lock!
i bet he could do it, with some time.
@@DeviantOllam If you have the right blank you can grind the key down so just the finger pin section remains. Stick it in the keyway and now all you have to do is pick the top pins. It makes it very trivial to pick Primus, but only if you know what key they're using.
@@SateenDuraLuxe yes, This attack is much more common with the Everest than it is with the Primus.
because, in the legacy systems, there was only a single Everest sidebar configuration. With Primus, there are loads. There is, of course, the level one basic sidebar which is consistent throughout the nation. But if someone has a regional sidebar, it's much harder to figure out the correct position of those fingerpins if they have ordered their locks from a locksmith not in their area. Which is what I've always done. ;-)
Hello Mr Ollam. Longtime subscriber first time commenter. Can you recommend a "smart"/keyless front door lock? I was thinking about the Schlage BE365 V CAM 619. Also, what do you suggest for securing a sliding glass door?
How do those mortise locks stand up compared to a knob and deadbolt against physical attacks, assuming they are installed correctly and you have to brute force it? I would love to see a video on what you would suggest to increase home security against physical attacks
I'm not a big fan of keying padlocks the same as the building. It's too easy to steal one and getting the bitting. Perhaps even figure out the master key if you have a change key for the padlock.
What do you think of the schlage quads? No patent, so nothing published. There's also quad compatible primus systems. But you pay a premium for either.
That one rocks!
Hi there, can you please make a video on how to pick Euro Cylinder locks using a Lishi Tool? I dont know which tool to purchase for Euro Cylinder locks.
Thank you very much :).
Primus is also the most bang for your buck in terms of bass
I like the Best locks.
can you use your Mold and Cast Attack on the primus key?
yes, i am also confident it could work if someone knows what they're doing. =)
I really like the idea of moving to a Primus core for my house (3x DeadBolt, 3 x KIL), but getting my own blanks is a problem. It's nice no one can walk into Walmart or Home Depot with my key to get a copy, but now I can't get a copy either.
yeah... you have to have a locksmith who will work with you and cut you plenty of fresh key copies (i made 10 copies of my main key, all stamped, and keep them in my safe, as seen in a previous video)
Your best bet is to find a locksmith who supports locksport and works with Primus. As a locksmith, I can tell you that they are few and far between, sadly.
@@RealJonDoe thx Joe. When I needed a Best key with a specific single cut to calibrate one of my machines, the local locksmith would not do it. There are a few on eBay so I'll need to keep watching for a great deal.
Great, now my wife's gonna get annoyed as I "convince" her to rekey the whole house and buy new locks for the fence and pistol cases.
Oh lucky day!! Just realized I already have a pair of Abus 81/45 locks on my fence. Now to verify what keyway and if I need a new core or just to re-pin to match the house.
Thanks again Dev for all of the great info! Happy Easter and Salúd.
Nice bonus cat.
Thanks for sharing
Nice video
I personally would not key a padlock to the same key as my home. I'm too paranoid about the possibility that overnight or when gone for a period of time...
The padlock can be stolen, reversed engineered, & replaced.
Leaving someone with a key to my home.
ah, totally makes sense! (that's why i get into master-keyed systems later in this series this week!)
@@DeviantOllam ,
Very true.
Thanks for the response &
the welcomed spoiler.
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@DeviantOllam I had immediately the same thoughts when you mentioned keying the padlock the same way as the house key. Yes, mastering could make it harder to deduct the right bidding for the house door, but once a lock is pwned (a) there are not that many combinations, making it relatively simple to make all the keys for someone who really wants to get into your house, and (b) mastered keyways are by their nature easier to pick as there are multiple sheer lines for you to get (I am sure you will recommend security pins, and that helps, but that's another topic). All in all, I don't think I would "do this at home".
@@mpuzar on that front porch box that I built where I used these locks, we only populated four of the six chambers in the padlocks. A front porch thief would have been stymied, frankly, by a lock that only had two pinchambers in it most likely.
But with four chambers populated up, including many spools and serrated pins plus one or two of those heavy heavy anti-bump pins, that was sufficient for our security purposes. And if somehow someone were to have ripped one of those locks clean off and taken at home and cut it apart... It's still not getting them the full keying information for the deadbolt on the door.
But, at that point, we're really getting into pretty crazy threat model territory.
So, where can you purchase Primus or Primus XP locks? I could do with a single Primus XP and yet I can't find one... I COULD travel 100 miles to the state coronavirus hotspot just to get one, but you would think someone would sell them online.
when i used to live in Montana, a local dealer sold that line. i'm curious if calling around to various ALOA locksmiths in your area would enable you to connect with someone who sells them.
How does the Primus system rate in pick resistance and exploitability to something like the Abloy Sentry series?
Is there similar advice or an equally knowledgable source for european locking systems? For exmaple here in Germany, something like this deadbolt doesn't exist at all.
Genuinely curious; how is having a bunch of locks set to one key not the same as only using one password?
if all the locks are for the same system (a single property) that's pretty common in the USA)
Better than someone I am related to that has two doors with handle and deadbolt locks but only one handle lock gets locked.
The only problem I’d see is if that padlock was easily stolen off something you might not notice promptly and the thief did it knowing all were keyed alike and he had skills to decode the key.
@@nixel5695 ah, indeed... But as you will see in an upcoming video, if a stolen lock is mastered, that severely hampers a potential adversary's ability to immediately discern the correct functional bitting which would open all the locks in the system.
Very true, I’m just a binge watcher of your things, I am not anyone doing any related work
@@DeviantOllam and I've worked in 3/4 of a million square foot office buildings that had to be entirely re-keyed because someone lost a key. I guess everything is a trade off.
It's uncanny. I've spent more than 4 decades living in Abus country and I've yet to come across an Abus Abus padlock with a replaceable core. It almost feels like that's a feature reserved for foreign markets. I feel a little bit betrayed
we're most fortunate here. email me know if you need someone to send you one!
@@DeviantOllam Thank you, that's a very generous offer! But: I don't really need one, I just find the fact curious that I keep seeing cool Abus stuff on international channels that I've never seen in Abus' home country. Makes me wonder why. That's all
You can buy for example Abus 72/40 in the normal hardware stores in Germany, thus I‘m quite sure that you must have seen some Abus padlocks with replaceable cores.
@@HingerlAlois as I said, I haven't. Really blew my mind when I found out that those exist watching lockpicking videos.
Sascha Schneider
Yes, you didn’t notice them, but they’re sold in normal German hardware stores.
I got my 72/40 at Hagebaumarkt.
@patrick brabbon, what no OCR at the walmart key making station....
as someone with impaired movement and tremors in my hands I find keys really hard to use in general. for that reason I have been looking in to keyless electronic locks. are any of those even slightly safe?
Conner In general they’re a good idea, but many of them are cheaply made and have easily exploitable security flaws. If you can find one that’s not easily bypassable, it should be good for you. If you don’t want to sift through cheap electronic locks to find a good one, you can try getting a commercial setup for your door with an RFID reader and an electronic strike plate.
@@CWGminer I had never thought about going the commercial route. It might be a bit expensive but I will certainly look into it
thank you!
@@Deviraux Just make sure the outside electronics are dumb, and don't just control the strikeplate/verify the passcode themselves. In general, if you can get something that has opto-isolators for the data from outside to inside, along with overvoltage protection to safely contain any attempts at spiking with a HV pulse, and you use a physically-separate transformer for providing power to that RFID reader/keypad, you should be reasonably safe. Though, in general, the RFID technology makes it easy to clone them, and even the good ones would require bidirectional communication with the outside unit (difficult to secure against electronic/voltage attacks), or would "only" require skimming the RFID card and then replacing the RFID reader with an electronic chip that just injects the skimmed result.
I think, maybe, a car-fob unlock device might be of use. They tend to get security somewhat right, and you might be able to get one that you could connect to an electronic latch/deadbolt.
some are, some aren't
@@DeviantOllam well hey that means it is at least worth looking in to then. thanks for the reply
What locks that are good?? Crazy!!
20/20 hindsight but yeah, having a matching keyway with side pins or other optional features means you could have one key for everything without every Lock actually being identical.
that way you could have as you say a Padlock that's the same as your Home door but simply copying the main Pins from such a Key wouldn't let someone break into your Home. worst case they steal what you've got Padlocked but you mitigated the disaster.
fuckin' cool!
You can't fool me, you aren't a lawyer!
Thanks.
Where do you get a Schlage Primus? I can't easily find them online.
speaking to ALOA certified locksmiths in your area would be the best plan, most likely.
You don’t want to buy them online because there’s no guarantee that you could find extra keys for them in the future. The keys are controlled by region so your local locksmith can’t get blanks for your lock that purchased on EBay.
@@PersonaN007Grata this is correct
*07:29* would SCHLAGE everest be plausible?
25.Feb.2021
1. Show us the cat.
2. What's a neuter bow?
3. I know how to pronounce "ABUS" now.
Bow is the part of the key you hold onto and turn. I believe a neuter bow is a bow stamped with "Do not duplicate" because it can't reproduce!
@@ZiggityPow Thanks, I was curious too. That makes sense.
1. Frankie and Whisper appear from time to time... i bet they might jump around in the upcoming Q&A video
2. a "neuter bow" is a key like this... www.clksupplies.com/products/sc1-schlage-neuter-bow-key ...many locksmith shops will almost instantly recognize that head shape and say "this was from a locksmith supply channel... we do not copy these"
3. ah, that debate never ends. in the US, they say /AY-bus/ (like Fonzie would say "Ayyyyy" on Happy Days) but in Germany they say /AHH-bus/ and I first heard of the brand at LockCon ages ago in Europe, so I say it that way. =)
@@DeviantOllam RE: neuter bow
Is neuter possibly just an incorrect translation of a non-English word for a word like sterile? Sterile meaning "unmarked". I've seen key suppliers use the term applied to bows that are pre-stamped with "Do not copy" as well as those that have a flat place to stamp rather than Ilco, SC1, or the other typical manufacturer info.
@@ZiggityPow Well, neuter is an English word. And it means either featureless or unable to reproduce or both. That's why this term is used.
Locks are only a token and offer no real deterrent unless you address all security issues.
I attended on average 35 break ins a week and have done for several years,I have never been to one where a lock was picked.
Well, technically speaking, the key is the token. But, yes, most thieves do not pick locks. Why would they? They have windows that break with rocks, or even, assuming enough force and mass, large tokens.
At the same time, most people do not have anything worth learning to pick locks over, so why would someone want to?
If you dig into Deviant's videos he addresses these topics in depth. Brute force, smashing a window, unhinging a door in seconds, turning the handle from the other side with wire, even spitting whiskey at a motion sensor at a bank through the gap in the doors. I think this video is more for the people who have already addressed all of the other main issues and just want to nerd out a bit more on the locks themselves. His final line of defense is going to be a firearm for when he's home, although I doubt anyone is getting in that dude's house discreetly. If you're gone and someone really wants in, they are getting in. Guess the only trick then would be to have your house be a worse target than your dumbest neighbor, which shouldn't be too hard...
How do I purchase the Primus system?
What would recommend for the European/UK market/eurocylinder wise?
Also interested to hear about Euro cylinder. I've been recommended Avocet ABS and Ultion in the past if that helps, UK here. The ABS can be keyed alike with padlocks and rim locks as per the video.
I had a heck of a time trying to get a Primus FSIC core for one of my Paclocks. Allegion would not return my calls or emails, and there are no shops local to me that would help me out. I had to drive well out of my way to find a shop near a larger city and ask in person if someone could provide me one. It was very frustrating, but it's probably my favorite lock after my Abloy PL350 with a Protec2 keyway.
As an aside, I'm very disappointed with the design of the Schlage FSIC when used in a padlock, there's not a lot of material that you need to drill out in order to just push in the retaining pin and drop the core out.
yeah, that's not my favorite form factor, either.
Man, I need to seriously look into courses on locksmithing, or atleast find some extra things to stare at online.
Any good online classes on the topic people can suggest? Dont really have the ability to go off fer classes and going to one of the two colleges that I found fer it is way outta budget...
But hey, using a key duplicating machine is fun, as is resorting the key blanks at a hardware store when *someone* decides to just shove them wherever...
what do you have in your gym locker?? lol
Those are fun but How do you feel about Bowley?
Their on my doors. Need a few upgrades to the door and frame to make the lock worth it but it’s in the works.
0 bit! cut a 6 at the shoulder ... snap.
oops.
I'm just sitting here in Finland and wondering are Abloys/similar tech knockoffs expensive over the pond or why the hell are people still using such simple lock designs in their houses?
Mostly because in the states, people don't break into houses by picking locks.
yes, this. and also we don't tend to be as accepting of "thick" keys that are super wide.... you folk have been using rotating disk mechanisms since 1900. they're still quite new here. =)
@@DeviantOllam Abloy needs to be operated, not just shoving the key to general direction of keyway. We are used to them. Disc detainer locks have vulnerability of failing/seizing if not designed properly, Abloy knows its business and they last forever.
Bad pintumbler may be vulnerable but it generally works. Bad disc detainer may leave you outside in rain. Thats why knockoff dd:s never to door. That other company starting with A makes passable disc detainers also.
Just my 2c.
Best overkill I have ever seen: Abloy 341 with Protec cylinder locking an steel beam across small road in middle of fields, and you could drive with car on both sides of the beam itself. 😊
What does LPL say about this?
A single key for all your locks isn't it as bad as a single password for all your accounts?
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These days, I've padlocked my freezer in the garage.
“When you get them they are zero bitted”Oooooo *starts deleting comment*
[NOTE: I'm not trying to slam you, or the video in general. I'm just pointing out a common mistake that us experts (in any field) make when handing out 'general advice'.)
Who exactly is this advice for?
I cannot imagine telling a 'layman' that it would be a good idea to get a lock with a key that they can't have duplicated locally.
That just isn't a reasonable burden to expect 'normal' people to carry. Especially when we DO expect them to learn at LEAST a little bit about [subject] to begin with.
It's for people who know what they want and are willing to pay for it. Most people aren't willing to pay $130+ for a single lock (pricing for a single Primus core) unless they're spending their boss' money, think it's a cool system, or want something that their contractor can't just go to the local Ace Hardware and get a copy made.
The people that are looking into this know they have to order the lock online and this video tells them they need to order the key also. That said if you have a locksmith in town I bet they can duplicate it but they might have to order it. That said buy it once, have it all keyed alike and you should be good to go unless you have a breach in security (lose a key). If you go to move, replace the locks with cheap kwikset as you go and take the good ones with you. You're supposed to replace, or at least rekey, all the locks when you move anyways but I can guarantee that a lot of people don't.
@@HickLif3 It's actually quite difficult to order a Primus core online, you need a locksmith to order them from an Allegion distributor (I've been trying to find them online for the last few days). Additionally, anything past Level 1 (1+, 2, 3, 4) all require more and more work to prove you own the lock in order to get replacement keys, to the point at level 4N you have an exclusive relationship with Allegion for the side bitting and no other locksmith in the country can order keys for you (large scale corporate campus). Level 1 any locksmith can order if they have an agreement with Allegion (authorized dealer only), but 1+ is dealer exclusive within a zipcode. Level 2 is dealer exclusive within a timezone/country, levels 3U/3G and 4Z/4N cannot be ordered by any locksmith as they are exclusive to, and controlled by, the end-user.
us.allegion.com/keysystems#
Primus Sucks! (Is It Luck?)
or, just get an abbloy
hey Deviant, are you an alcoholic? just curious lol
my bartender and my liquor store owner both say i'm not, so i think that i'm fine. =)
You have weird thumbs. Also, I use the Abloy Protec2 on my front door.
yeah... my right thumb is on my left hand and vice-versa. never figured out why.