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Roller delay 100% reduces recoil, the G3 kicks like a mule because they took the roller delay system straight from the Cetme with zero modification and chambered it in 7.62 NATO which makes over 2500ftlbs of energy. It was designed for a cartridge producing 1600ftlbs of energy called 7.92x41. The Spanish later rechambered it for a modified cartridge called 7.62x51 CETME which was a reduced bullet weight and reduced powder charge version of 7.62 NATO. HK then came in upped the weight of the recoil spring without changing the geometry of the rollers or the weight of the bolt and called it good to go for 7.62x51 NATO. Which technically it could handle the cartridge at that point, but you lost a nice plush gentle recoil. in exchange for a jarring punch in the shoulder.
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog No. The rifle the G3 was based (more like produced under license) of was the cerme model C, which was chambered in 7.62x51 nato, the only one to reach an noteable level of production. The cetme model A and B are nothing more than prototypes or small trial runs of that. Roller delayed doesnt reduce recoil anymore than anyother locked breach action and i would argue the G3/Cetme design doesnt kick hard but the sheer mass of the bolt makes for more of a pronounced push effect on the shooter
@@larpcel8558 what do you think the model C was based around genius.... You literally just repeated what said without acknowledging that the final iteration was not modified beyond changing the recoil spring
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog yeah sure bud, they didnt have to change anything else but the spring. Not the angle of the locking block, the bolt mass, the receiver dimensions, no just a single spring. Midwits these days are so laughably uneducated
In order to do that, it would have to take some other kind of magazine besides an mp5 mag. Last round hold open is triggered be the magazine follower and the mp5 mags don’t have that capability.
Been done, and would be pointless as there is no market for the magazines which would need to have followers that allow a bolt hold open to function. Like said above, H&K already made it work on the MP5/10.
They promised us last Shot show we’d get G33 pattern Steve_mp5 did a video on them and yet we get this overpriced monstrosity… Let’s hope Century finally brings in some MKE 5.56’s this year..
I sent them an email and this is what I got: Thank You for contacting Century Arms...we do not have any information regarding the item(s) in question at this time.
They sound to much like Robinson Arms. They stop making stuff that is unique and in the area of what people want because they dumped so much r&d in to a modern project that it blinded them.
I believe he was talking about since it has a bolt hold open, it can’t slap it home on a reload. You have to either hit the button or actually pull the bolt to the rear and release.
This could have been an interesting evolution to Roller Delayed Blowback if they made it a battle rifle in 6.5 or maybe .308, 5.56 is such a waste for a rifle like this and the weight alone makes it a weak competitor.
Their thought is, and I don’t agree, they’d sell a few hundred 33 clones right away but after that and people have them, they don’t be a long term seller. They believe this is 🤷🏻♂️
They might sell a few of these, a 300 blackout with 5-8 inch barrel seems like it might be useful suppressed. Everyone crying about a HK93 clone in the comments is very funny. I hope when they make a batch to import, they price them the same as HK93's on GB to keep the laughs going. I have had my HK93's forever and trust me it's not that spectacular special platform yinz imagine it to be, they are mediocre at best. Good for selling not so much for shooting.
Is it just me or did Logan have that brush off tone when the G33 was brought up? It’s companies that fail to listen to what people want that loose out. If they did a locking back version of the MP5 clone that would sell so much. Or a G33 clone they would make something that people are going to fall over backwards to get. These shot shows people come and say what they want and the good manufacturers listen and the not so good ones say this is what we came up with take it or leave it. I am disappointed in Zenith Firearms for this. I guess they are going to change the gun to have an AR trigger because that’s what they heard people wanted!!!! I can’t believe they need people to tell them that.
I love how the interviewed said there's more demand for this gun than there is for an HK-33 clone when literally no one has ever asked for a civilian HK-33 mated to an AR-esque lower receiver.
I would pay 2400 for a G33 clone but not this. Logan admitted that we want the G33 but they won’t commit. WTF???
And stanag one also
Yea kinda tone def on the g33 stance
Wouldn't that be a copyright issue?
@@seanalexander8573 only the HK-33 brand itself, the rest of the rifle's design has entered public domain a few decades ago
@Barbaroossa oh damn OK that's actually kinda good thing tho
Zenith has been saying they will bring G3 and G33 clones for like 10+ years now. I’ll be impressed if this gun even comes out. 😆
Still Waiting on the 33/93
yes please... wish they released that over this...
I just want an hk 93 clone is that so hard
Roller delayed rifles dont have reduced recoil, thats why G3's have way more recoil that AR10's
Exactly. Roller delayed works well with pistol rounds but not so much with rifles like the G3.
Roller delay 100% reduces recoil, the G3 kicks like a mule because they took the roller delay system straight from the Cetme with zero modification and chambered it in 7.62 NATO which makes over 2500ftlbs of energy. It was designed for a cartridge producing 1600ftlbs of energy called 7.92x41. The Spanish later rechambered it for a modified cartridge called 7.62x51 CETME which was a reduced bullet weight and reduced powder charge version of 7.62 NATO. HK then came in upped the weight of the recoil spring without changing the geometry of the rollers or the weight of the bolt and called it good to go for 7.62x51 NATO. Which technically it could handle the cartridge at that point, but you lost a nice plush gentle recoil. in exchange for a jarring punch in the shoulder.
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog No. The rifle the G3 was based (more like produced under license) of was the cerme model C, which was chambered in 7.62x51 nato, the only one to reach an noteable level of production. The cetme model A and B are nothing more than prototypes or small trial runs of that. Roller delayed doesnt reduce recoil anymore than anyother locked breach action and i would argue the G3/Cetme design doesnt kick hard but the sheer mass of the bolt makes for more of a pronounced push effect on the shooter
@@larpcel8558 what do you think the model C was based around genius.... You literally just repeated what said without acknowledging that the final iteration was not modified beyond changing the recoil spring
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog yeah sure bud, they didnt have to change anything else but the spring. Not the angle of the locking block, the bolt mass, the receiver dimensions, no just a single spring. Midwits these days are so laughably uneducated
Here’s a thought. Make an Mp5 with a last round bolt open.
hk already did that with the mp5/10's
In order to do that, it would have to take some other kind of magazine besides an mp5 mag. Last round hold open is triggered be the magazine follower and the mp5 mags don’t have that capability.
Been done, and would be pointless as there is no market for the magazines which would need to have followers that allow a bolt hold open to function. Like said above, H&K already made it work on the MP5/10.
Pretty sure you could buy magazine with a last round catch for MP5s
@@freedomfirst7143is there a scorpion evo mag or 9mm ar mag that can give you a last round hold open?
Should of just made an hk93/33
Mags are unavailable
The ultimate free float barrel
This thing looks siiiiick
I’m interested in the 300 blackout version. Sbr 9” barrel 1:5 twist I think this would be a win
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Cool AF
Oh.. an evolved HK41? NICE!
Is that a Buffertube? or could it have a pic rail on the rear for something like an acr style folding stock?
It is a buffer tube
I think its sick
I was really hoping for like an 7-8 inch 300 black out
That would be ideal
No side folding stock:(?
Neat design, but poor choice of stock IMO. Hopefully better options come out.
They promised us last Shot show we’d get G33 pattern Steve_mp5 did a video on them and yet we get this overpriced monstrosity… Let’s hope Century finally brings in some MKE 5.56’s this year..
I sent them an email and this is what I got: Thank You for contacting Century Arms...we do not have any information regarding the item(s) in question at this time.
@@uzidoesit616 Doesn't surprise me with century.
They sound to much like Robinson Arms. They stop making stuff that is unique and in the area of what people want because they dumped so much r&d in to a modern project that it blinded them.
Throw that bolt open and “keep hitting” that bolt release? What does that mean??
I believe he was talking about since it has a bolt hold open, it can’t slap it home on a reload. You have to either hit the button or actually pull the bolt to the rear and release.
Make the charging handle ambidextrous. Then it's a winner.
Hk41 but built on a G3 frame.
Since when are RDB-rifles easy to suppress?
It was very gassy at the range on a traditional blowback can
Its kind of cool...if its sub $1,500. Handguard is chonky as hell and defenitely should have gone with a ar style safety while they were at it.
looks absolutely terrible and heavy
great decision
She thicc that’s for sure
This could have been an interesting evolution to Roller Delayed Blowback if they made it a battle rifle in 6.5 or maybe .308, 5.56 is such a waste for a rifle like this and the weight alone makes it a weak competitor.
Haha this dude said the market is wanting more of this instead of a 33 clone 😅😅😂 sounds like they need to fire their market research team. Just saying
Their thought is, and I don’t agree, they’d sell a few hundred 33 clones right away but after that and people have them, they don’t be a long term seller. They believe this is 🤷🏻♂️
They might sell a few of these, a 300 blackout with 5-8 inch barrel seems like it might be useful suppressed. Everyone crying about a HK93 clone in the comments is very funny. I hope when they make a batch to import, they price them the same as HK93's on GB to keep the laughs going. I have had my HK93's forever and trust me it's not that spectacular special platform yinz imagine it to be, they are mediocre at best. Good for selling not so much for shooting.
Is it just me or did Logan have that brush off tone when the G33 was brought up? It’s companies that fail to listen to what people want that loose out. If they did a locking back version of the MP5 clone that would sell so much. Or a G33 clone they would make something that people are going to fall over backwards to get. These shot shows people come and say what they want and the good manufacturers listen and the not so good ones say this is what we came up with take it or leave it. I am disappointed in Zenith Firearms for this. I guess they are going to change the gun to have an AR trigger because that’s what they heard people wanted!!!! I can’t believe they need people to tell them that.
I love how the interviewed said there's more demand for this gun than there is for an HK-33 clone when literally no one has ever asked for a civilian HK-33 mated to an AR-esque lower receiver.
Cool gun, just not $2,400 cool..
So a CTME rifle.
Why didn’t they just clone the hk33 and the hk53 as a pistol
They think they’d only sell a couple hundred and once those people have it, they won’t sell anymore. They believe this is a long term seller 🤷🏻♂️
Yuck!
what's up with that pathetic #2 pencil barrel of that 56? Uh....stupid. And will sell next to zero.
No. Just no. This thing is hideous.
Bruhhhhh wtf is this 🗑🗑🗑😮💨🤣