I loved the ending; reminded me of the devastating last shot of Lesley Manville in Mike Leigh's 'Another Year'. Slow and steady, and I agree with Christy - a masterclass of acting.
daveinprogress3 loved Another Year and the last shot of Lesley was so sad. Her mask is gone (always was or for us the viewer I'm not sure) and her life will go on this way.
Loved Ben's imagery - "let's go, get up the stairs faster" "gitty-up, slap on the back, move along, you're making a movie," "I want this to be the Affair's parents." Good contrast to the other panelists.
+Terry Silvester I liked it but it's not one of his best it's on that Jackie Brown level if you're a person who enjoys scenery and environment in films you'll like it
Can always count on Ben for the regular guy response to a movie. Which is high praise in my book ... movie reviewers as a general rule have a hard time keeping that regular guy hat on ... because they spend too much time watching and thinking about movies.
+Pat Powers Very very good point. When I was in the theater everyone seemed weirded out by this movie because of its overwhelming and burdensome subtlety.
i dont want to Sound like an asshole, but the regular movie-goer has no idea what makes a movie good, great or better.he has no idea about artistic value. the " regular" loves watching superhero movies and Star wars,because there is always Action going on and there is no Personal involvement ( not saying those kinda movies are bad, they arent). i agree that Reviews should have this voice as well, but that doesnt represent what a movie can do and what cinema can be.
The tension in this discussion makes me want to see it even more. Hurry up and open in San Francisco! And I too am an Andrew Haigh fan. I gave him an award at Frameline the year WEEKEND played.
one of the best films i've seen in a while.andrew haigh is a force to be reckoned with,everything he does resonates with me.also i have a newfound respect for alonso after he said weekend was his fave film of that year. it crushed me
I would love to know what each of your top 20 film lists of all time are. I think that would be great. So, if you could just arrange that for all of us that would be fantastic! Go on, off you go.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I Totally agree with Ben on this. I can see how people connect with this film, but the ending left me unsatisfied and it was contrary to what we are led to believe. I get it though, sometimes it just clicks that it's over!
Yes, I was left wondering what really happened. Wasn't the woman pregnant in the slides? I thought I saw that she was pregnant? Too many questions, not enough answers. I did leave the room for a few minutes, maybe I missed something? Too subtle. They should have had one "out with it" fight. English people lol!
Oddly that Ben works for Turner Classic Movies and belongs to the family that brought to the world Citizen Kane but I get the feeling he would truly hate films by Antonioni, Bergman and masters of cinema like them.
What did Ben think the ending meant? That their marriage was repaired? Because that is completely wrongheaded. Also, what did he want? "Not fun"??????? Seriously? I honestly have lost a lot of respect for him after this review. Really.... kind of ridiculous criticisms.
Zaraerae Smith if you turn on the closed captioning and really pay attention to the lyrics of the final song that is playing while Kate and Geoff are dancing, the lyrics mirror the way that Geoff TRULY feels...that Geoff lost his true love long ago, the woman that he really REALLY loved. Or at least from Kate's behavior as she listens to the song, thats certainly what she is thinking and its pretty devastating to her. At least that's the interpretation that made sense to me.
Just saw it for the first time the other day. I had the subtitles on too, & I thought the same. It would be something if he specifically picked that song for their first dance 45 years ago, but I think it was randomly played. Do you think he killed the girlfriend?
Aurelia Ansah personally, i dont think he killed her. We're so used to that being the "twist" in movies, i was kinda expecting that to be the case too 😊. But no, i think she died just how he described....girl basically fell down a hole.
Alright I'll say it... did he kill the woman instead of it being an accident? I was expecting more of a clear answer. When it was over, I was more like the last guy who spoke. WTF happened!?
We’ve got no reason to think he killed her. She fell and died, and he obviously loved her dearly. The heartbreaking part about the movie isn’t that the wife realizes she’s married to a murderer but that she’s married to a man who never loved her like she thought he did... married to a man she doesn’t even know. The significance of the girlfriend from the past having fallen into an ice cave means that she’s perfectly preserved by the ice... and that makes it impossible for the husband to ignore... which makes it impossible for the wife to bare.
Oh god. sure, you can interpret it that way, but that’s an easy out, so I don’t think that’s what the filmmaker intended. He wants the audience to be plunged into a deep moral crisis that Kate and Geoff are encountering
+peachpetals *SPOILER* The two leads are celebrating their 45th Anniversary with a lavish party at a swanky ballroom with their friends. They have a dance in front of everyone through all of "Smoke In Your Eyes" and you see Charlotte Rampling's character progressively lose her facade and realize that everything has changed in their relationship between her and her husband, that she knows too much to not let it affect her anymore even after the heartwarming speech he had given her earlier. When the music crescendoes, she finally cracks as she lets go of him and starts tearing up for the first time in the entire film, but everyone else is too busy raising their arms up having a good time to notice her distraught, indicating she feels lonelier than ever even with her closest friends packed around her as she has bottled everything up. Both of them are cloaked in a tellingly shade of blue as the spotlight on the dance floor. Such a masterful scene and one of the best endings of any recent film imo.
Is she going to leave him? That's what I thought it meant-the last scene. Her life with him was a lie and she was just a replacement for Katia. I took the last scene to mean when she let go that eventually she will leave him, after 45 years. (
+dunkenus Hi dunkenus. In the end she realized the sad truth...........that she had always been second best to the Woman that her husband truly loved: Katya. She knows that every song, every book and every memory that her husband held dear was related to Katya......not her. She knows that her marriage of 45 years is over......
Hi. May I ask you if YOU are married? What would YOUR feelings be if you discovered that YOUR marriage partner had ALWAYS secretly longed for his or her dead fiance? Would YOU be happy to know that you have only ever been second choice? And that the reason your marriage partner always keeps his or her eyes closed when making love with you is because he or she is thinking of someone else? Would YOU be happy to know that the reason that your marriage partner never wanted children with YOU is because he or she only wanted the child that their dead lover could give them? If you can HONESTLY say that you would STILL be happy to be married to someone after knowing all of this, then you are a better person than me.
+Chris Johnson 'Room' is that for me. This truly is a great year for small movies 'ex machina' 'testament of youth' 'spotlight' 'brooklyn' 'carol' 'room'
+MrKJ444 Did not think Room was that great. I gave it a 6/10. It did not give me the cathartic release i wanted,and the first half in the room went on way too long. I wanted more of the outside. Brie Larson is amazing though
God Ben just give up man. Just stay with Hollywood fair. Boring is such a lame excuse and it should never be used by a movie critic to describe a contemplative film. Try to pay attention to the films if you want to be called a film critic. Otherwise just leave
+Alexander Forbes not all films are a piece of entertainment. Some strive to be a work of art that requires some effort and attention from its audience. Not that there is anything wrong with either. But if he call yourself a film critic he needs to acknowledge that there are different kinds of films and not all of them are big Hollywood pieces of entertainment.
I think the problem Ben must have had with the movie is that the camera constantly stays still and rarely moves along or behind the characters. It annoyed me at first, but then the backstory really made the movie interesting
Ironic at how condescending the other reviewers seem towards Ben's opinion when they themselves have blatantly snobbish reviews all the time that are based solely on principal.
+Tristan Abraham bc many of his points betray his lack of film knowledge. The fact that he states that he distrusts films that are beautiful, for one, in another review reveals that he does not belong as a film critic or on this table frankly. He also states how he wanted this to be a TV show instead. Well, this is a frickin' film. He should just stick to reviewing TV instead and let film critics do film.
Ben gave boyhood a nine, and then back pedalled and said he thought it was boring and that he only praised it because he thought he had to. That's kind of the definition of reviewing out of principle, and shows him to be a flimsy reviewer sometimes. Not hating, he always brings insightful opinions, but he's frustrating in how he comes to his conclusions. All subjective, obviously.
+Davin Yu He presents films on TCM. He has a large knowledge of older more realistic films. And films of the "golden era" and "new hollywood" era of film, so I think he can call a movie boring. There are some he likes that many would consider boring.
+Davin Yu I don't think that not liking a movie ending betrays anyone's lack of film knowledge specifically. Endings ruin movies often, for a lot of people regardless of their film knowledge. Most recent example= Birdman.
+CarSVernon uhhh that is not why I think Ben is ignorant of film knowledge and history, nor did I list that as one of the reasons.There are so many reasons why that are littered in his critique of this film as well as other indie/arthouse films. I could care less that he didn't care for the ending. But for what my money is worth, it is one of the great ambiguous and heartbreaking endings of any film in recent history, so to say that he didn't like it because it lacks clarity is dumb imo. It is also besides the point as it doesn't matter if charlotte rambling's character is going to stay with him or not. Everything has changed for her and it's never going to be the same again as everything in her relationship to his is in question in terms of its authenticity.
WTF is a Ben career vehicle. Why does the song sound so odd on the trailer? I just can't stand Americans It doesn't matter how hard I try and especially if I do try.
cant stand the chick. she cant ever be wrong. everry time someone gives their take on a movie after shes already done hers, she has to negate their review and say how wrong they were. its annoying. just get rid of her, please. the stereotypical "im right and you dont know what youre talking about"-chick. yeeecchhh! gross.
All about beige, 1st world senior people whose greatest problems many would love to have. Charlotte Rampling was amazing, but I just couldn't care about her characters problems. So, her husband was in love with someone else before he met her. Someone he rarely spoke about... so what? I found myself despising her for creating a problem and even a little jealous that her life had been so wonderful that not being his 1st love, after 45 years of marriage, bothered her. This was about a very pathetic and truly ungrateful woman.
Sara Wilkinson Thank you so much for taking the time to write this well-thought-out reply. I will definitely watch the movie again! You know, I noticed Katya had her hand on her belly in the picture, but I thought it was my imagination that she might be pregnant.. at some point I decided that she was pregnant and, the twist was, that he had killed her because of it and was obsessed with her as her murderer . Perhaps I was too convinced of all that to truly empathize with Kate. That combined with the idea that Katya was only worshiped because she DID die and, had she lived, their marriage would have been like most others. The point is that Geoff did not understand that. Thanks again
@@Saffron-sugar would have loved to see the original response to that, which seems to have been deleted. but the problem is unfortunately not that he WAS in love with someone else, but that he IS in love with someone else.
@@Saffron-sugar it’s not about him loving someone else before him. The point of crisis is that he was secretly still in love with here this entire 45 years that he was wed to her and basically her questioning whether or not she was second best to the man she was married to. This brings on an impending tailspin in Kate as to whether or not she should’ve been with man for 45 goddamn years, but also not know everything about him. If you can’t sympathize with her after my explanation, your biases are showing up way too much.
I loved the ending; reminded me of the devastating last shot of Lesley Manville in Mike Leigh's 'Another Year'. Slow and steady, and I agree with Christy - a masterclass of acting.
daveinprogress3 loved Another Year and the last shot of Lesley was so sad. Her mask is gone (always was or for us the viewer I'm not sure) and her life will go on this way.
Loved Ben's imagery - "let's go, get up the stairs faster" "gitty-up, slap on the back, move along, you're making a movie," "I want this to be the Affair's parents." Good contrast to the other panelists.
Ironic that Ben called this boring yet gave The Hateful Eight an 9...
Is that movie boring?
James Rode it does drag a bit unfortunately
+James Rode If you like Tarrantino's dialogue its not boring at all
DreDaDon__ I do but that doesn't mean im going to bum everything he does.
+Terry Silvester I liked it but it's not one of his best it's on that Jackie Brown level if you're a person who enjoys scenery and environment in films you'll like it
Nice review without giving away any spoilers. Will see this film.
Can always count on Ben for the regular guy response to a movie. Which is high praise in my book ... movie reviewers as a general rule have a hard time keeping that regular guy hat on ... because they spend too much time watching and thinking about movies.
+Pat Powers Very very good point. When I was in the theater everyone seemed weirded out by this movie because of its overwhelming and burdensome subtlety.
I'm not saying those who watch movies a lot are wrong for liking the movies they do. I just like that there are reviewers for the rest of us.
i dont want to Sound like an asshole, but the regular movie-goer has no idea what makes a movie good, great or better.he has no idea about artistic value. the " regular" loves watching superhero movies and Star wars,because there is always Action going on and there is no Personal involvement ( not saying those kinda movies are bad, they arent). i agree that Reviews should have this voice as well, but that doesnt represent what a movie can do and what cinema can be.
Yes, but the regular movie-goer knows what he or she likes.
+Pat Powers and thats a good Thing
Felt pretty much the same as Ben on this - great acting, lackluster execution / progression
100% with Ben, especially about the ending 🤔😒
The tension in this discussion makes me want to see it even more. Hurry up and open in San Francisco!
And I too am an Andrew Haigh fan. I gave him an award at Frameline the year WEEKEND played.
Nobody show Ben a Rohmer film.
+Matthew Nasrallah Watching a Rohmer film is like watching paint dry.
blinkzone1 Now, who said that?
Matthew Nasrallah Me :P
blinkzone1 kk
nor a Bela Tarr
one of the best films i've seen in a while.andrew haigh is a force to be reckoned with,everything he does resonates with me.also i have a newfound respect for alonso after he said weekend was his fave film of that year. it crushed me
I would love to know what each of your top 20 film lists of all time are. I think that would be great. So, if you could just arrange that for all of us that would be fantastic! Go on, off you go.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I Totally agree with Ben on this. I can see how people connect with this film, but the ending left me unsatisfied and it was contrary to what we are led to believe. I get it though, sometimes it just clicks that it's over!
Yes, I was left wondering what really happened. Wasn't the woman pregnant in the slides? I thought I saw that she was pregnant? Too many questions, not enough answers. I did leave the room for a few minutes, maybe I missed something? Too subtle. They should have had one "out with it" fight. English people lol!
Oddly that Ben works for Turner Classic Movies and belongs to the family that brought to the world Citizen Kane but I get the feeling he would truly hate films by Antonioni, Bergman and masters of cinema like them.
Furthermore, if this movie is not boring, then there are not many movies that are boring.
Go Ben!!!!!!!
If Charlotte Rampling wins the best actress award in the Oscar i'm ok with it.
What did Ben think the ending meant? That their marriage was repaired? Because that is completely wrongheaded. Also, what did he want? "Not fun"??????? Seriously? I honestly have lost a lot of respect for him after this review. Really.... kind of ridiculous criticisms.
Can someone help me out for the ending. I understand what happened but l really want more depth
same!
Zaraerae Smith if you turn on the closed captioning and really pay attention to the lyrics of the final song that is playing while Kate and Geoff are dancing, the lyrics mirror the way that Geoff TRULY feels...that Geoff lost his true love long ago, the woman that he really REALLY loved. Or at least from Kate's behavior as she listens to the song, thats certainly what she is thinking and its pretty devastating to her. At least that's the interpretation that made sense to me.
Just saw it for the first time the other day. I had the subtitles on too, & I thought the same. It would be something if he specifically picked that song for their first dance 45 years ago, but I think it was randomly played. Do you think he killed the girlfriend?
Aurelia Ansah personally, i dont think he killed her. We're so used to that being the "twist" in movies, i was kinda expecting that to be the case too 😊. But no, i think she died just how he described....girl basically fell down a hole.
I absolutely agree with Ben.
Was genuinely worried for Revenant spoilers for a second there >< needs to be released in England soon so I can read the damn book
the grades are displayed as 9.5, 8.0, 6.0 with the 8.0 average. The math is not wrong because Alonso gave a 8.5 not 8.0.
Alright I'll say it... did he kill the woman instead of it being an accident? I was expecting more of a clear answer. When it was over, I was more like the last guy who spoke. WTF happened!?
Wow, didn't even think about it. I thought the ending was just her wanting to leave her husband
We’ve got no reason to think he killed her. She fell and died, and he obviously loved her dearly. The heartbreaking part about the movie isn’t that the wife realizes she’s married to a murderer but that she’s married to a man who never loved her like she thought he did... married to a man she doesn’t even know. The significance of the girlfriend from the past having fallen into an ice cave means that she’s perfectly preserved by the ice... and that makes it impossible for the husband to ignore... which makes it impossible for the wife to bare.
Oh god. sure, you can interpret it that way, but that’s an easy out, so I don’t think that’s what the filmmaker intended. He wants the audience to be plunged into a deep moral crisis that Kate and Geoff are encountering
por favor posta esse filme completo em português obrigada
It's an amazing film, I think ben didn't like it because it's very British.
Ben hates something. Call the papers.
+Ben A Ben did something other than piss around with his phone in this video - call the papers.
Ben showed up to work. Call the papers.
Someone please tell me how it ends!
It doesn't
+JustComments123 Sure it does, it's pretty obvious what's happening in the last shot and what the character is thinking.
+peachpetals *SPOILER* The two leads are celebrating their 45th Anniversary with a lavish party at a swanky ballroom with their friends. They have a dance in front of everyone through all of "Smoke In Your Eyes" and you see Charlotte Rampling's character progressively lose her facade and realize that everything has changed in their relationship between her and her husband, that she knows too much to not let it affect her anymore even after the heartwarming speech he had given her earlier. When the music crescendoes, she finally cracks as she lets go of him and starts tearing up for the first time in the entire film, but everyone else is too busy raising their arms up having a good time to notice her distraught, indicating she feels lonelier than ever even with her closest friends packed around her as she has bottled everything up. Both of them are cloaked in a tellingly shade of blue as the spotlight on the dance floor.
Such a masterful scene and one of the best endings of any recent film imo.
Is she going to leave him? That's what I thought it meant-the last scene. Her life with him was a lie and she was just a replacement for Katia. I took the last scene to mean when she let go that eventually she will leave him, after 45 years. (
I bet this movie is more exciting than the snorefest most overrated movie of the year they call Spotlight.
+DreDaDon__ exciting isn't the right word lol... and if you find Spotlight a snorefest, then this movie is definitely not for you.
what was her real feelings in the end i still dont get it...
+dunkenus Hi dunkenus. In the end she realized the sad truth...........that she had always been second best to the Woman that her husband truly loved: Katya. She knows that every song, every book and every memory that her husband held dear was related to Katya......not her. She knows that her marriage of 45 years is over......
***** you are so true...let bygone be bygone...:)
Hi. May I ask you if YOU are married? What would YOUR feelings be if you discovered that YOUR marriage partner had ALWAYS secretly longed for his or her dead fiance? Would YOU be happy to know that you have only ever been second choice? And that the reason your marriage partner always keeps his or her eyes closed when making love with you is because he or she is thinking of someone else? Would YOU be happy to know that the reason that your marriage partner never wanted children with YOU is because he or she only wanted the child that their dead lover could give them? If you can HONESTLY say that you would STILL be happy to be married to someone after knowing all of this, then you are a better person than me.
Could be the best film of 2015.
+Chris Johnson 'Room' is that for me. This truly is a great year for small movies 'ex machina' 'testament of youth' 'spotlight' 'brooklyn' 'carol' 'room'
+MrKJ444 Did not think Room was that great. I gave it a 6/10. It did not give me the cathartic release i wanted,and the first half in the room went on way too long. I wanted more of the outside. Brie Larson is amazing though
+Chris Johnson It's my number 6 favorite
+MrKJ444 brooklyn is a hallmark film
God Ben just give up man. Just stay with Hollywood fair. Boring is such a lame excuse and it should never be used by a movie critic to describe a contemplative film. Try to pay attention to the films if you want to be called a film critic. Otherwise just leave
+Andrés Becerra "Boring" is absolutely a fair criticism of a piece of entertainment.
+Alexander Forbes not all films are a piece of entertainment. Some strive to be a work of art that requires some effort and attention from its audience. Not that there is anything wrong with either. But if he call yourself a film critic he needs to acknowledge that there are different kinds of films and not all of them are big Hollywood pieces of entertainment.
I'm sorry but when a movie is boring as bat shit it isn't going to keep its audience hooked and that is one of the main purposes of film
@@zaraeraesmith7510 he’s not just any person. He’s a critic with familial ties to one of the greatest American directors.
I think the problem Ben must have had with the movie is that the camera constantly stays still and rarely moves along or behind the characters. It annoyed me at first, but then the backstory really made the movie interesting
this was an acting workshop, so so boring
Ironic at how condescending the other reviewers seem towards Ben's opinion when they themselves have blatantly snobbish reviews all the time that are based solely on principal.
+Tristan Abraham bc many of his points betray his lack of film knowledge. The fact that he states that he distrusts films that are beautiful, for one, in another review reveals that he does not belong as a film critic or on this table frankly. He also states how he wanted this to be a TV show instead. Well, this is a frickin' film. He should just stick to reviewing TV instead and let film critics do film.
Ben gave boyhood a nine, and then back pedalled and said he thought it was boring and that he only praised it because he thought he had to. That's kind of the definition of reviewing out of principle, and shows him to be a flimsy reviewer sometimes. Not hating, he always brings insightful opinions, but he's frustrating in how he comes to his conclusions. All subjective, obviously.
+Davin Yu He presents films on TCM. He has a large knowledge of older more realistic films. And films of the "golden era" and "new hollywood" era of film, so I think he can call a movie boring. There are some he likes that many would consider boring.
+Davin Yu I don't think that not liking a movie ending betrays anyone's lack of film knowledge specifically. Endings ruin movies often, for a lot of people regardless of their film knowledge. Most recent example= Birdman.
+CarSVernon uhhh that is not why I think Ben is ignorant of film knowledge and history, nor did I list that as one of the reasons.There are so many reasons why that are littered in his critique of this film as well as other indie/arthouse films.
I could care less that he didn't care for the ending. But for what my money is worth, it is one of the great ambiguous and heartbreaking endings of any film in recent history, so to say that he didn't like it because it lacks clarity is dumb imo. It is also besides the point as it doesn't matter if charlotte rambling's character is going to stay with him or not. Everything has changed for her and it's never going to be the same again as everything in her relationship to his is in question in terms of its authenticity.
WTF is a Ben career vehicle. Why does the song sound so odd on the trailer? I just can't stand Americans It doesn't matter how hard I try and especially if I do try.
Oh God I actually agree with Ben. The world is ending.
Agree with Ben - very boring, pointless movie. Especially the very last scene. Good work, but poor script.
The movie is definitely not pointless
cant stand the chick. she cant ever be wrong. everry time someone gives their take on a movie after shes already done hers, she has to negate their review and say how wrong they were. its annoying. just get rid of her, please. the stereotypical "im right and you dont know what youre talking about"-chick. yeeecchhh! gross.
+Eric Gustin Agree. This movie sucked.
All about beige, 1st world senior people whose greatest problems many would love to have. Charlotte Rampling was amazing, but I just couldn't care about her characters problems. So, her husband was in love with someone else before he met her. Someone he rarely spoke about... so what? I found myself despising her for creating a problem and even a little jealous that her life had been so wonderful that not being his 1st love, after 45 years of marriage, bothered her. This was about a very pathetic and truly ungrateful woman.
Sara Wilkinson Thank you so much for taking the time to write this well-thought-out reply. I will definitely watch the movie again! You know, I noticed Katya had her hand on her belly in the picture, but I thought it was my imagination that she might be pregnant.. at some point I decided that she was pregnant and, the twist was, that he had killed her because of it and was obsessed with her as her murderer . Perhaps I was too convinced of all that to truly empathize with Kate. That combined with the idea that Katya was only worshiped because she DID die and, had she lived, their marriage would have been like most others. The point is that Geoff did not understand that. Thanks again
@@Saffron-sugar would have loved to see the original response to that, which seems to have been deleted. but the problem is unfortunately not that he WAS in love with someone else, but that he IS in love with someone else.
@@Saffron-sugar it’s not about him loving someone else before him. The point of crisis is that he was secretly still in love with here this entire 45 years that he was wed to her and basically her questioning whether or not she was second best to the man she was married to. This brings on an impending tailspin in Kate as to whether or not she should’ve been with man for 45 goddamn years, but also not know everything about him. If you can’t sympathize with her after my explanation, your biases are showing up way too much.
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+Lyperr Arts cool cool
+Jonah Laurich Cool, Cool, Cool!
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