Interesting and useful information, thank you. 5700x3d is probably the most-relevant am4 cpu left, yet all the other videos focusing on the driver overhead issue seem preoccupied with "zomg look how bad this card does with a 2600 or a skylake i5".
@hircine92h I don't know, I just saw those ARC B580 tests once, where the better the CPU you have, the more fps you get because the intel ARC allegedly has driver overhead issue or something
Great video.This overhead issue seen to be more amd cpu issue. Hardly seeing any intel cpu with b580. perhaps a video comparing 5600 vs 12400f vs 9600x for the price point with b580 gpu.
Good stuff. The Arc cards leave no interest for me, but I was expecting something different from these CPU tests. Perhaps I'm confusing it with some SAM/resizeBAR requirement. Anyway, thanks!
The bottleneck is over hyped. A 12400 was recently shown to only have similar drop offs to amd or Nvidia equivalent cards although the 5600 on a pcie4 board recently showed a single digit increase in performance loss in 1 game on a 5600 compared to amd and Nvidia. I am sure other theories abound but being a pcie4 card I would suspect that the motherboard is more likely a cause for any bottleneck.
@@shaiii-chanI don’t think so because the b580 retailed for $250 and the last generation RX 7600 and RX 7600 XT retailed $270 for the 7600 and $330 for the 7600 XT And AMD would take a big loss if they tried to compete too aggressively but anything can happen
Well, wouldn't expect there to be any difference really on this entry-level card between 2 X3D chips. It's when paired with an entry-level (like 4 or 6 cores) CPU that the overhead comes into play? That would have been a more interesting video, perhaps a 3600 (a very popular budget CPU of it's time) vs that 5700X3D on the same exact setup. Though I'm not sure it can reach the same XMP/DOCP timings.
It's true, the 5700X3D is still a very capable CPU for gaming, ideally to test this issue it would be better to use weaker CPUs, perhaps a Ryzen 3 3100/3300X, or older Intel quadcore chips, maybe throw a i5 2500K test with OC and without for good measure
Considering that the ryzen 7 5700x3d is pretty affordable and so decently performing, it is a good sign that it doesn't suffer from the overhead, you'll start seeing some sort of difference once you go down to a ryzen 5 5600, but it still isn't as apocalyptic as people are making it out to be
@BENCHMARKSFORGAMERS thanks man appreciate all the videos ignore the tards that don't understand how testing is done and how time consuming it is to do like 20 benchmarks on different hardware !
@@hircine92h it is not really the avg FPS where the low latency 6000mhz DDR5 gives you boost, it is the 1% and .1% lows... at that place there is 10-15% extra many times for AM5 vs AM4 depending on the game so it is not linked to B580 , it is the difference the memory speed gives you..... less stutter
Really? are those benchmarks true? R7 5700X3D gives same performance as as R7 9800X3D? If so, then I switch from my Intel i5 10600 to R7 5700X3D, since my GPU is being bottlenecked by the CPU.
Bad idea. 5700X3D is worthwhile only if you already have an am4 build. Drop in 5700x3d and sell old am4 CPU. For a platform change, go up to 7500f (if available) or 7600. Identical performance to 5700x3d and open path for future upgrade
@@trixualz219 He was trying to demonstrate whether or not it suffered from the CPU issue identified by others. The 5700x3D was never going to, but older CPUs do regardless of supposed GPU load.
Useless test where GPU is maxed out and on 1080p that the card is not even made for. These were all titles where the CPU has very little impact. Try some different engines.
He was trying to demonstrate whether or not it suffered from the CPU issue with the new ARC cards identified by others. The 5700x3D was never going to, but older CPUs do regardless of supposed GPU load.
Great video keep it up ❤
Interesting and useful information, thank you. 5700x3d is probably the most-relevant am4 cpu left, yet all the other videos focusing on the driver overhead issue seem preoccupied with "zomg look how bad this card does with a 2600 or a skylake i5".
Its all bullshit. Any decent cpu even old will have no problem. 12400F(3years old cpu that cost like nothing new) or never will do fine.
Nice! The GPU doesn't seem to be limited by r7 5700x3d
Why it would lol its only a B580 this thing is comparable to RTX 3060.
@hircine92h I don't know, I just saw those ARC B580 tests once, where the better the CPU you have, the more fps you get because the intel ARC allegedly has driver overhead issue or something
@@hircine92hNo, it's not. It's more comparable to an RTX 4060.
@@hircine92hdon't you mean outperforms a 4060?
@@XueyunLuo-u4y At 1440p and with a decent CPU , yes it does
Great video.This overhead issue seen to be more amd cpu issue. Hardly seeing any intel cpu with b580. perhaps a video comparing 5600 vs 12400f vs 9600x for the price point with b580 gpu.
Good stuff. The Arc cards leave no interest for me, but I was expecting something different from these CPU tests. Perhaps I'm confusing it with some SAM/resizeBAR requirement. Anyway, thanks!
The bottleneck is over hyped. A 12400 was recently shown to only have similar drop offs to amd or Nvidia equivalent cards although the 5600 on a pcie4 board recently showed a single digit increase in performance loss in 1 game on a 5600 compared to amd and Nvidia. I am sure other theories abound but being a pcie4 card I would suspect that the motherboard is more likely a cause for any bottleneck.
Excellent content
B580 is a decent card, but Radeon RX 9600/XT could murder it in a couple of months.
Don’t you mean the RX 9060/XT
Provided that it launches at the same price.
Rx 9070 and/or RX 9070 xt
@@shaiii-chanI don’t think so because the b580 retailed for $250 and the last generation RX 7600 and RX 7600 XT retailed $270 for the 7600 and $330 for the 7600 XT And AMD would take a big loss if they tried to compete too aggressively but anything can happen
I guess it would be 9060
Although I don't think ray tracing is going to be as good as this one
I was scared that my b580 wasnt going above 150-160 watts, glad its normal
Well, wouldn't expect there to be any difference really on this entry-level card between 2 X3D chips. It's when paired with an entry-level (like 4 or 6 cores) CPU that the overhead comes into play? That would have been a more interesting video, perhaps a 3600 (a very popular budget CPU of it's time) vs that 5700X3D on the same exact setup. Though I'm not sure it can reach the same XMP/DOCP timings.
It's true, the 5700X3D is still a very capable CPU for gaming, ideally to test this issue it would be better to use weaker CPUs, perhaps a Ryzen 3 3100/3300X, or older Intel quadcore chips, maybe throw a i5 2500K test with OC and without for good measure
Considering that the ryzen 7 5700x3d is pretty affordable and so decently performing, it is a good sign that it doesn't suffer from the overhead, you'll start seeing some sort of difference once you go down to a ryzen 5 5600, but it still isn't as apocalyptic as people are making it out to be
@@ivanvladimir0435 Yep ,, looks like sweet spot is somewhere between 5600 and 5700X3d ,,,, maybe 12600kf?
@@marcelo16 yep the x3D CPU's of AM4 socket is equivalent to a ryzen 7600-7600x performance.
@@tilapiadave3234 12400f is fine
How do you show the 9800x3d wattage temps ? What program you use to monitor ? Afterburner ?
Great video btw
Rivatuner + Hwinfo64
@BENCHMARKSFORGAMERS thanks man appreciate all the videos ignore the tards that don't understand how testing is done and how time consuming it is to do like 20 benchmarks on different hardware !
Overhead happen on low settings or in high fps esports games like Valorant,CS2 ....
Oh and great video
It's not really 5700X3D VS 9800X3D...
DDR4 3600 VS DDR5 6000 !!!
Tbh, I don't see any more than a 5-10 fps upgrade between ddr4-ddr5. It's just not that special
RAM makes like %1 difference.
@@hircine92h it is not really the avg FPS where the low latency 6000mhz DDR5 gives you boost, it is the 1% and .1% lows... at that place there is 10-15% extra many times for AM5 vs AM4 depending on the game so it is not linked to B580 , it is the difference the memory speed gives you..... less stutter
@ No way the difference is 10-15%.
What is the font name that you're using for the overlay ?
Thx
what about those cpu bound games ?
Plz ryzen 7 9700x and ryzen 7 9800x3d without GPU test in games
Really? are those benchmarks true? R7 5700X3D gives same performance as as R7 9800X3D?
If so, then I switch from my Intel i5 10600 to R7 5700X3D, since my GPU is being bottlenecked by the CPU.
every game he plays is gpu intensive such a stupid benchmark this is lol
Bad idea. 5700X3D is worthwhile only if you already have an am4 build. Drop in 5700x3d and sell old am4 CPU. For a platform change, go up to 7500f (if available) or 7600. Identical performance to 5700x3d and open path for future upgrade
@@trixualz219 He was trying to demonstrate whether or not it suffered from the CPU issue identified by others. The 5700x3D was never going to, but older CPUs do regardless of supposed GPU load.
@ So basically same as most games I play..
Useless test where GPU is maxed out and on 1080p that the card is not even made for. These were all titles where the CPU has very little impact. Try some different engines.
He was trying to demonstrate whether or not it suffered from the CPU issue with the new ARC cards identified by others. The 5700x3D was never going to, but older CPUs do regardless of supposed GPU load.
Things are hardly GPU bound
Is this gpu good to pair with R7 5700g?
Да вполне подойдёт,у меня Ryzen 5 Pro 4650ge даже с моим процессором все хорошо идёт
Pls test in 1440p
Bottle nick in the ARC B580
On other words: RAM problem.
Seems like GPU bottleneck.
Sadge no bannerlord
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