It's tragic, really. Not only did this movie go through production hell and still turned out decent, but it got unfairly ignored by the general audiences and got dogged on by the fans.
Not even a competition, tfo is one of the best refreshing movies we've got since bb 2018, sucks that it failed the box office and might not get a sequel
Jimmy kimmel ruined moments by Transformers One going to Success Box office but ..nope. Transformers One >Jimmy kimmel Show Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Kung Fu panda 4 Moana 2 Mufasa The lion king & Despicable me 4
The only things that Bayverse lacked was a coherent plot, good characterization and good dialogue. Paramount only had to fix these things. With Bumblebee, they almost got it right but the story was at a smaller scale, so that is why I didn't appeal much to general audiences. With ROTB, they decide the most stupidest thing possible, bringing back Bayformers style but without Michael Bay himself, so the movie ends being a cheaper attempt to imitate Bayformers success. Transformers One was perfect in every way, but thanks to Paramount's stupid marketing campaign, the film didn't get the attention it deserved. I don't see any hope of Transformers film revival unless they hand over the rights to some another studio.
NGL this whole thing with the Transformers Fandom/Community & it's Franchise reminds me of Toho's/Legendary's Monsterverse movies and it's Godzilla Fandom/Community rummagingly sniffing and smelling a way to microscopically nit/cherrypick and complain about the american godzilla movies for the past 10 years straight-forward. But GMO, Doctor Skipper's "Godzilla doesn't work In American!" dog-pilling rusty gutter of a rant video & all of those other so call "Godzilla essay videos" and GXK they still aren't aware of how they say something because they know ridiculously damn well that they are gonna get demolished in the comment/reply section without hesitating to give out those nitpicks complaints (or as others call it (proper) constructive criticism/feedback) in a non-rude/abrasive/scornful/annoying/obnoxious/antagonizing/aggressive way but they don't have the GUTS to do so either because they are seriously and legitimately that Insane to get Jumped by the fans because they think it's a good idea for whatever reason. 😂
Fr and before the movie came out ppl were glazing it and saying it was going to be better than all the bayverse movies and look at them smh but it wasn't a bad movie tbh in my opinion it was kinda boring to watch mainly cuz I'm used to the bay movies lol😂
@Nitrokiller459 They aren't consistent because each idea they had failed. Each movie is completely different. Bumblebee was supposed to be like G1, but that didn't work, then Rise of the Beasts tried to be like Michael Bay, that didn't work, and Transformers One didn't have anything going for it other than it being animated, and that also failed. The fans don't represent the majority of people.
@@EvilSamB No one said each movie has to be the same so what's even your point here?. What nitro here was implying was for rotb to not act like a bayverse film and just do what bumblebee did. Bumblebee was the first live action TF film to not rely on bayhem and was more focused on character development and being wholesome beyond all else. At best it did work. It wasn't purely trying to be g1 as a film like bumblebee can be done with any TF designs of any era. Rotb tried to act like a bayverse film and that definitely rubbed audiences the wrong way as they were over that (tlk being evident of that fact) and transformers one just like bumblebee didn't rely on acting like g1 (cause it wasn't acting like g1), didn't have any bay-hem in it and unfortunately was the victim of a bad first trailer and audiences judging a book by it's cover as a result.
@Kaiju-bm4ts and the more upsetting thing is that when you look at the original consept art for what rotb was supposed to be you can clearly see it was not only a different film entirely but it wuth have been a perfect followup to bumblebee with the original designs to
There is a stop motion sequel for The Last Knight, which may not be canon to the franchise, but is proof of what the cancelled 6th Bayformers movie could’ve been. By explaining everything about the lore of their race, all the plot holes that were ignored, while also confirming that Sam is dead. It makes both Age of Extinction and The Last Knight more sense.
@@SWDude2710 I think the final straw with TLK was when Harriet Tubman became part of the society of the witwiccan's. Also that all of a sudden sam was dead
I don’t really like the bumblebee movie due to the fact that they abused Peter Cullen,they first got a guy who sounded like Optimus to do Optimus primes lines and then at the last minute they got Peter Cullen to do the lines and because they already finished animating Optimus primes mouth,Peter Cullen had to perfectly copy his mouth movements with the animations,all because Travis knight didn’t want to pay Peter Cullen so much
Which I hate, I want Peter as the character HE made in as many projects we can be blessed to have him for. It’s wack they keep replacing when he’s still capable and willing
@@HandlesTheCyberman yeah but now a days he’s getting older so it’s better for him to rest and let someone else take over,I mean it’s not easy playing the same character for 40 years
It wasn't Knight's decision, I don't even think he could control something like that, That being said it's still incredibly fucked up to do Peter Cullen like that, he's literally the dad of this franchise, screwing him over is a sure fire way to make your audience mad
Aside from bringing Bumblebee back to life, the Maximals didn't really impact the movie, they were kind just there to look cool. Rhinox and Cheetor didn't have any standout moments, even Wheeljack (Autobot) who is supposed to be a scientist, seemed pretty useless in this movie
ROTB wasn’t bad. It was just bland. It felt like a wannabe Bayformers movie without Michael Bay on board, and the use of “Arrival to Earth” just felt like weak nostalgia bait to catch older fans who grew up with the Bayverse. It’s not as bad as The Last Knight or Revenge of the Fallen, but it definitely made me appreciate Transformers 2007 and Dark of the Moon even more.
u cant even compare rise of the beasts with revenge of the fallen, revenge of the fallen was waaayyyy better, like way better, the first three transformers movies were the best, then probably bumble bee, now my favorite is definitely transformers one
One thing that people don't talk about more often is that before The Last Knight came out, Micheal Bay posted a letter on social media addressing to the fans, essentially promising that he is not going to repeat the same mistakes he made with AOE and that this film would be special and his last project. This got the fans excited but when people went to watch the movie, they were very disappointed as Micheal took all the worst parts from the previous films and cranked it up to 11. I remember even the hardcore Bayverse fans were pissed at that time.
As a die hard transformers fan, I love this movie. We cruelly got robot on robot fights. People were complaining about how it was military v Decepticons now they still complain smh
Thank you! I agree. It’s not my favorite, but I thought it was very enjoyable. Mirage was great, a breath of fresh air. Primes character arc. I liked it. Was it perfect? Of course not. But it also wasn’t bad. And it’s become one of the Transformers films that I can watch often and not get tired of it. Of course everyone has their opinions. But it really isn’t that bad.
i can see this tbh, i agree very heavily on both sides i def think there was a lot of potential good but there wasnt enough for me, thanks for watching!!
While I still enjoy ROTB, it is severally flawed as hell. I feel like it’s biggest issue for me is that it didn’t learn anything from Bumblebee. Instead of going small scale again and try to build up this new universe, they just jump the gun and throw a whole bunch of stuff together. Which is saddening because the concept stuff behind this film makes me wish we did get a Beasts Wars spin off or a Bumblebee 2, vice versa and then we could’ve gotten ROTB. It also hurts more because I really like the idea of the Autobot’s trying to get used to earth since in the film it kinda works well with Noah and Mirages relationship and help Primes character arc just a little bit, this concept could’ve been explored really well during those 7 years they’ve been stranded on Earth but nope, they decided to make something decent/sub par when it could’ve been something better for the franchise. And that GI Joe crossover sure as hell ain’t going to help things either. :/ It could’ve been great but became wasted potential, and while I don’t think this is the worst film in the series (cough TLK cough) it is very far from being the best. (I love you TF One ❤)
Im ngl i glazed the hell out of this movie when it first came but ya know as im rewatching it for the 120th time...yeah I'll agree it's definitely missing that Bay touch. Like imagine if we gotta a Autobots vs Maximals during there first encounter.....man that would have been so fun.
ROTB has heart, sincerity and above all else is a fun, breezy ride. The plot is simple and straightforward. There’s no juvenile racist humor, there’s no sexualisation of women, it’s not a million hours long. The aspect ratio isn’t changing every 2nd shot, the action, whilst basic is filmed in a way that doesn’t give you a headache. It’s not perfect but it’s miles better than the 5 turds we were cursed with for over a decade. The only thing holding these movies back is the fact that they haven’t distanced themselves from the bayverse enough
The thing is ROTB did try to be more like bayverse the wheel jack design especially took inspiration from DOTM wheel jack. I think the movie had a good set up it was just lackluster
I personally felt like this film had a bit of an identity crisis. It was trying to continue off the success of Bumblebee (2018) while trying to stay more faithful to the original source material, only to then backpedal to the Bayformers way of doing things (which ultimately defeats the entire purpose of rebooting these films) which included unnecessary redesigns of established characters, rushed plotline, not doing much with the Maximals and barely even seeing their robot forms, and other issues. What hurts most is that while there’s a bit more action compared to Bumblebee, it sadly pails in comparison to Bay’s films in terms VFX and spectacle. So while I enjoyed this film, it definitely could’ve been better. It was trying to be a balance between Bumblebee (2018) and the original films yet ended up regurgitating their respective issues. And seeing as how underwhelming it did at the Box Office, it’s probably time for a change of pace. 😔
Step 1: build a Time Machine Step 2: go back to June 28, 2011 Step 3 break into Michael bays office when he’s In there Step 4: hold Micheal bay at gun point and tell him not to change the ending DO NOT change the ending and never make a part 4 and 5 Step 5: escape the studio without being shot by guards
“Bumblebee was a success with critics and audiences, and it’s because we ignored the Michael Bay continuity. How do we follow up?” “Let’s just make another Bayformers movie with a little more effort.”
they had like 12 characters and 4 of them actually does something and now they're adding gijoe? Not even counting the decepticons and autobots arriving to earth there will be at least 20 characters that does nothing. Imagine if they could somehow pull of a Lotr miracle and make a 3 hour long movie where almost every character has something to do.
I think they waited too long to make a sequel to nostalgiaformers, plus a lot of people were confused by the timeline. We can’t also ignore the damage the last knight had on the franchise box office.
It's alright, Transformers doesn't need to recover. It's one of if not the most resilient franchises I know of. If they made it through Robots in Disguise 2001, Energon, Robots in Disguise 2015, then they could probably make it through some bad movies.
In my opinion they tried to do too much too soon. Bumblebee acted as a perfect slow start to the rebooted franchise, which just focused on Bumblebee and gave us a taste of the overarching Decepticon threat as well as the rest of the Autobots. But then all of a sudden we’re getting Maximals, Terrorcons, and Unicron with no build up to any of those characters out of nowhere! And now they’re crossing over with GI Joe? Yeah I’m a huge Transformers fan, but even I know the live action movies aren’t doing good. And it’s at least partly because they’re moving in directions that make no sense for their worldbuilding
I was born in the year 2000, so I never saw the original cartoons so I was never invested in the animal Transformers, I literally couldn´t have cared less if I had tried. My introduction to Transformers was TF1 2007, followed by TF2 Revenge of the Fallen, followed by TF3 Dark of the Moon and finally TF Prime and very recently TF One and now I´ve been watching the War for Cybertron series which is on Netflix. I´m trying to immerse myself in the Transformers lore as much as possible. I did that with Bionicle, I have literally HUNDREDS of Bionicles and I know the lore and I´m trying to do the same with Transformers
I always like the Knightverse of Transformers, more than the Bayverse ones. As if the writers and producers were doing their best to make them more realistic than what Michael Bay brought us. Especially going old school. Not only Bumblebee was similar to the Iron Giant, but also E.T. Charlie was a great human protagonist, while having John Cena was awesome. Rise of the Beasts was a lot of fun when it came out. Longtime fans like me of Beast Wars were so excited to see Primal and the Maximals in live action. Wish we got to see Airazor’s robot mode. While they’re couldn’t been more Maximals like Rattrap, Tigatron, and Dinobot in the film. Especially having Gary Chark to reprise his role as Primal. Again these movies are more fun than the Bayverse ones.
i hate rotb so much for undoing all of the building up up and rebooting bumblebee did. bumblebee is the best live action movie so far and it’s not even close. it has the best story, and desigh, human characters and other, 1 and 3 for the bay films are cool though.
I feel like some people, including myself, said that Rise of the Beasts was the best Transformers movie we've gotten in a while, probably due to the fact that we haven't gotten a TF movie for over 5 years since Bumblebee, which came out in 2018. When I first watched it, I thought it was amazing, but with each rewatch that I did, I saw the flaws this movie had. Rise of the Beasts is decently fun with many great ideas, but at the same time, it's unfortunately written in such a poor state.
It’s tragic. Michael Bay got the short term success, but damaged the franchise for the long term for creatives that actually sought to make more quality transformers films. Although Rise of the beasts is pretty mediocre so it would have failed on its own but Bumblebee and TF1 deserved so much better
It's simple, Micheal Bay was only interested in making Transformers 1, 2 and 3 only. And after finish with Dark Of The Moon, which is nice ending to the Transformers movies, he wants to move on. But with many reasons, Bay stuck around including BLACKMAIL, the studio told Micheal Bay that if he came back to.direct Transformers 4, they will fund him Pain & Gain, a movie that he wanted to make. But by time The Last Knight, he became SICK AND TIRED of these movies already, HE REALLY WANT TO BE OUT OF THIS FRANCHISE. So that's why Transformers 1 to 3, it has the sense of fun and excitement whil 4 & 5, lack any of that, cause Micheal Bay didn't have any passion anymore to make these movies.
Nice Video! You had me cracking up 😂 but I will tell you Scourge in ROTB was more based on the Cartoon: RID version of the character not the Galvatron henchman from the 86 movie like you state here. But great video!
In my opinion, rise of the beast ruined it for itself, I personally thought it was a good film, but there’s a lot of things that could’ve made this movie better, like the transit scene, and the fact they spoiled bumblebees death in the first teaser 🙏, and the original ending where primal and Noah never saved Optimus and he was sucked by unicron (pause) and they showed Optimus floating inside unicron a few good things about this movie, 1: the maximals, like you said, they didn’t really do much, but I think their part in the final battle was cool, especially when primal said “rhinox, Cheetor, MAXIMIZE” I thought their robot modes looked cool as hell but I don’t know why they changed back to animals near the end, there’s really no point, just stay in robot mode, you’re stronger. 2: I think optimus primes VERY reasonable crash out was good, people were calling him psycho when he sliced the arms off beheaded scourge, saying “just like bayverse!!” I think his crash out was justified because scourge almost doomed the universe by giving unicron the key, and Optimus knew that, so he knew what had to be done. And The line “I’ve had enough” is cold as shit coming from somebody like Optimus. and yes I do agree with you when I say this movie was too much, I remember hearing rise of the beasts was just a merge between the stories of two movies 1: the bumblebee sequel, 2: I think it was the original rise of the beasts draft, I think this movie could’ve benefited from being split into two separate films. The bumblebee sequel coming first, filling the 7 year gap between bbm and rotb, and then the original draft for rise of the beasts. I’m not happy nor disappointed about the gi-Joe reveal at the end of Rotb, if the Rotb sequel ever makes it to theaters, I think they could make a really good film if they do it right, I don’t want a movie focused on gi-Joe, I don’t want an alliance between them at the transformers like they did with sector 7 in the bayverse, I want a movie more focused on the transformers themselves rather than the human characters. Rise of the beasts is not at all the worst tf film, not the best either, I put tf one, dark of the moon, 2007, bumblebee above rise of the beasts, I think it was better then the last knight and age of extinction, like my god the last knight was a shitshow, it ruined all continuity the previous films had, the final battle was pretty good though. shimmy shimmy yay shimmy yay shimmy yah
I have a few issues with ROTB. First Optimus sounds so off, I know in Bumblebee they had Peter imitate a person who was imitating him, but even even in that film he sounded more like Prime. Secondly the CGI doesn't hold up to the Bay movies plus Bumblebee. If I remember correctly, didn't they get another company to do it instead of ILM? Finally its the studio wanting it to connect with the Bay movies, which is why we have to have such dull final battles because they can't set it in a city. It's probably because the Bay movies (other than TLK) made a lot of money. If they really wanted to make a lot of money, they might as well make a sequel to TLK. Even if we didn't enjoy TLK, most Bayverse fans would still go see another one, people didnt enjoy ROTF, but DOTM released and made more money.
I just hope the next one is at least successful, it might be the last tf movie if it isn’t, I think if they use the joes like they used nest in rotf and dotm they might make it work
Your problem is that you’ve not watched the beast wars cartoon as I was easily able to indentify the maximals even watching the whole series on the official transformers UA-cam channel. My only problem with this film and bumblebee is the absence of Megatron and even the T. rex megatron
At this point im just hoping the animated TF ONE universe continues, thats my only hope for transformers atp. ROTB its just… fine, the characters and plot arent very good, better than Bayverse, but not by much, at the very least, even the action scenes arent as exciting as the Bayverse as much as those movies suck in stories and characters, at least when i watched those i had something to enjoy, but with this, its like Bayverse Lite, like you could see hints of Bayverse, but not quite. For example how Optimus acted, he was violent and throwing threats every few minutes and we even got an end of the world plot complete with having to find a mcguffin, but it feels more boring somehow. We didnt even really get a cool fight with any of em, at least not to the level of the forest fight in ROTF, or even the Mission City fights in the 2007 movie. Like i appreciate them trying to actually appeal to fans, but they also completely fucked up the Maximals, like they literally had no bearing on the plot, you couldve just replaced them with some random Autobots that scattered through the galaxy, they dont even explain why they even turned into animals
Bumblebee and rise of the beast are the only good transformers movies, because they actually feel like the cartoons. Even if rotb has a few issues, in comparison to literally every bay movie it's f*** perfection! Thank god bay quit.
rise of the beasts just derailed the entire attempt, bumblebee breathed new life into the franchise and was a great film. it was a simple yet effective film that did alot right, great humans, showing us the war of cybertron, and doing the g1 designs justice. rotb on the other hand just tried to be like bay, turned optimus into a jerk for most of the film, barley used the maximials, and had a very rushed plot with unicron which should have been saved for a 4th or 3rd film. not the first film, and the humans are boring.
ROTB decided to make wheel jack more nerdy and took inspiration from his DOTM design like who asked for that his design was beautiful in Bumblebee, why do they do this smh. Domt wanna hate on Stephen Caple jr the movie had some good moments but if they can’t think of a proper plot honestly take references from transformers prime
Tbh i really enjoyed the bayverse and Knightverse and I watched Rotb 3 times in theaters, Rotb was the best transformers movie I have ever seen in theaters since it was first transformers movie I saw in theaters
i know you said you havent seen beast wars but seriously watch it, the cgi looks dated at first but you get used to it as it goes on and it only improves + the writing is goated all the way through
All bayverse needed was more screen time for some bots and just better writers who could keep up with the lore lets be honest.....Other than that the bayverse was great..
As a fan of Bayformers, I agree that Michael Bay's TF movies are flawed and have story consistency issues. However, as bad as the Fourth and Fifth movies in the franchise are, they are still more memorable than TF: Rise of The Beasts. Honestly, I was also disappointed in this movie because of how forgettable and lackluster it was when I first watched it. The only thing I am interested in is the Optimus Prime vs Skurge fight but EVEN THAT was ... not very good to be honest.
You know, I can't deny all the complains with rotb, but Im very fond of it, I really enjoy watching it and obviously preffer it above all bayverse movies, I just enjoy the characters in rotb, specialy noah and mirage, their relationship is much more wholesome and cool than anything sam did with bumblebee, as a beast wars movie it's really bad, but for me that I don't care for beast wars, it's really neat, I want a secuel to it
I im gonna be really serious i love this films i know the downfall of this films but idfc this films is really good in term of action scenes memorables scenes and i love this one TIME TO SHOW THE REAL POWER OF PRIME *optimus best line* Now the bad stuff seriously scourge is great villian but in same time ia garbage likes he is too strong, no im not saying strong villains are bad no but serious in bumblebee film literally i i saw optimus throwing decepticons. But seeing optimus literally can't attack scourge literally using is energon axe he can't doing nothing.
Even as bad as it is, at least Last Knight makes you feel something. Not necessarily good, but at least it's something. I wasn't as uninterested in an action film as Rise of The Beasts
Hey man 4 was actually pretty good. 5 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Bumblebee was extremely overrated. And beastwras is the only one I haven't seen. The new on was fucking SICK THO
We'll also never get the magic of the 2007-2011 movie toys or the first 3 xbox games (The Transformers: the Game trilogy not dark spark), like even transformers one in it's greatness just has shit toys, even the studio series are pretty mid. I swear bro they will never recreate hunt for the decepticons or human alliance or ANYTHING like that. And neither TFone nor ROTB has a game either lol.
Agreed!!!!! This movie is the worst the whole time I watch the movie all I hear is Brooklyn who cares and the beast do nothing it was them autobots that put in the work
how could that be u never seen Beast Wars? That's freakin classic, way better than all these shitty movies both Bay and post-Bay. Cinematic universe sucks, dude
Yeah bumblebee movie is good wasn’t that bad of a movie for me plus I did enjoy the flim so far and as rise of the beast well it was alright for me plus I don’t say it’s bad I’m just saying it could’ve done a lot better in my opinion
Nah I'm sorry rise of the beast was boring but definitely not worse than the abomination that is the last knight 😂 Bro that movie had me question my love for the franchise I swear lol
to all the maximal fans i sincerely apologize for referencing Primal as Primus for the whole video🙏🏽
I’M AN INVENTOR!
No worries.
The character's horrible participation in the film hurt me more.
Someone described ROTB as "Diet Bayformers" and I couldn't agree more.
PointlessHub I think.
Indeed it was
It's tragic, really. Not only did this movie go through production hell and still turned out decent, but it got unfairly ignored by the general audiences and got dogged on by the fans.
What ultimately matters is the final product and it was sub-par at best
got dogged on BECAUSE THAT SHIT'S SMELLY
Did we watch the same film?
I guess you could say that Michael Bay had...
The Touch?
ur too smart bruh i shoulda done that skit😭😭😭
👏👏👏👏👏
He had the powerrrr!
@@ActionPackedStudios79 no,no, i`m an inventor was peak🤣
The Maximals were underutilized, and that vexed me to no end.
Transformers One >>>>>
real
Not even a competition, tfo is one of the best refreshing movies we've got since bb 2018, sucks that it failed the box office and might not get a sequel
Jimmy kimmel ruined moments by Transformers One going to Success Box office but
..nope.
Transformers One >Jimmy kimmel Show Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Kung Fu panda 4 Moana 2 Mufasa The lion king & Despicable me 4
The only things that Bayverse lacked was a coherent plot, good characterization and good dialogue. Paramount only had to fix these things. With Bumblebee, they almost got it right but the story was at a smaller scale, so that is why I didn't appeal much to general audiences. With ROTB, they decide the most stupidest thing possible, bringing back Bayformers style but without Michael Bay himself, so the movie ends being a cheaper attempt to imitate Bayformers success. Transformers One was perfect in every way, but thanks to Paramount's stupid marketing campaign, the film didn't get the attention it deserved. I don't see any hope of Transformers film revival unless they hand over the rights to some another studio.
NGL this whole thing with the Transformers Fandom/Community & it's Franchise reminds me of Toho's/Legendary's Monsterverse movies and it's Godzilla Fandom/Community rummagingly sniffing and smelling a way to microscopically nit/cherrypick and complain about the american godzilla movies for the past 10 years straight-forward.
But GMO, Doctor Skipper's "Godzilla doesn't work In American!" dog-pilling rusty gutter of a rant video & all of those other so call "Godzilla essay videos" and GXK they still aren't aware of how they say something because they know ridiculously damn well that they are gonna get demolished in the comment/reply section without hesitating to give out those nitpicks complaints (or as others call it (proper) constructive criticism/feedback) in a non-rude/abrasive/scornful/annoying/obnoxious/antagonizing/aggressive way but they don't have the GUTS to do so either because they are seriously and legitimately that Insane to get Jumped by the fans because they think it's a good idea for whatever reason. 😂
Not gonna lie, I was so bored with ROTB until the Maximus transformed for 30 seconds at the end
My biggest disappointment with the film. They got treated as supporting characters instead of the main characters.
Fr and before the movie came out ppl were glazing it and saying it was going to be better than all the bayverse movies and look at them smh but it wasn't a bad movie tbh in my opinion it was kinda boring to watch mainly cuz I'm used to the bay movies lol😂
They thought that if they "listened to the fans" it would benefit them.
No they simply had to be consistent with there reboot but even that was hard for them
@Nitrokiller459 They aren't consistent because each idea they had failed. Each movie is completely different.
Bumblebee was supposed to be like G1, but that didn't work, then Rise of the Beasts tried to be like Michael Bay, that didn't work, and Transformers One didn't have anything going for it other than it being animated, and that also failed.
The fans don't represent the majority of people.
@@EvilSamB No one said each movie has to be the same so what's even your point here?. What nitro here was implying was for rotb to not act like a bayverse film and just do what bumblebee did.
Bumblebee was the first live action TF film to not rely on bayhem and was more focused on character development and being wholesome beyond all else. At best it did work. It wasn't purely trying to be g1 as a film like bumblebee can be done with any TF designs of any era.
Rotb tried to act like a bayverse film and that definitely rubbed audiences the wrong way as they were over that (tlk being evident of that fact) and transformers one just like bumblebee didn't rely on acting like g1 (cause it wasn't acting like g1), didn't have any bay-hem in it and unfortunately was the victim of a bad first trailer and audiences judging a book by it's cover as a result.
@@Kaiju-bm4ts thank you🙏
@Kaiju-bm4ts and the more upsetting thing is that when you look at the original consept art for what rotb was supposed to be you can clearly see it was not only a different film entirely but it wuth have been a perfect followup to bumblebee with the original designs to
ROTB did not need Bay. It needed more heart, soul and creativity. And Predacons. Real Predacons.
This movie makes me wish we got a Bay unicron movie. His scale for these movies has and always be amazing
I mean
You technically did
There is a stop motion sequel for The Last Knight, which may not be canon to the franchise, but is proof of what the cancelled 6th Bayformers movie could’ve been. By explaining everything about the lore of their race, all the plot holes that were ignored, while also confirming that Sam is dead. It makes both Age of Extinction and The Last Knight more sense.
@@dark_night8268 The bay movies were entertaining (kinda) but bay really fucked up all continuity the previous films had with TLK
@Rug-427 I think the producer is more so to blame too and perhaps Paramount.
But you make a fair point.
@@SWDude2710 I think the final straw with TLK was when Harriet Tubman became part of the society of the witwiccan's. Also that all of a sudden sam was dead
The maximals from beast wars were so goated and so well written they got done so dirty in this movie fr
I don’t really like the bumblebee movie due to the fact that they abused Peter Cullen,they first got a guy who sounded like Optimus to do Optimus primes lines and then at the last minute they got Peter Cullen to do the lines and because they already finished animating Optimus primes mouth,Peter Cullen had to perfectly copy his mouth movements with the animations,all because Travis knight didn’t want to pay Peter Cullen so much
Which I hate, I want Peter as the character HE made in as many projects we can be blessed to have him for. It’s wack they keep replacing when he’s still capable and willing
I thought that was a studio decision, not Travis Knight's. I swear, if it was him, then the movie wouldn't be remembered as fondly.
@@HandlesTheCyberman yeah but now a days he’s getting older so it’s better for him to rest and let someone else take over,I mean it’s not easy playing the same character for 40 years
It wasn't Knight's decision, I don't even think he could control something like that, That being said it's still incredibly fucked up to do Peter Cullen like that, he's literally the dad of this franchise, screwing him over is a sure fire way to make your audience mad
Aside from bringing Bumblebee back to life, the Maximals didn't really impact the movie, they were kind just there to look cool. Rhinox and Cheetor didn't have any standout moments, even Wheeljack (Autobot) who is supposed to be a scientist, seemed pretty useless in this movie
ROTB wasn’t bad. It was just bland. It felt like a wannabe Bayformers movie without Michael Bay on board, and the use of “Arrival to Earth” just felt like weak nostalgia bait to catch older fans who grew up with the Bayverse. It’s not as bad as The Last Knight or Revenge of the Fallen, but it definitely made me appreciate Transformers 2007 and Dark of the Moon even more.
100% agree
RotF was alot better than RotB imo.
@@Tyrannosaurus_rex. not really, but at least it had its unique stuff in it
@@zacariascisneros6399 What do you mean not really, it was an opinion? RotB was boring as hell.
u cant even compare rise of the beasts with revenge of the fallen, revenge of the fallen was waaayyyy better, like way better, the first three transformers movies were the best, then probably bumble bee, now my favorite is definitely transformers one
i’ve always said. Rise of the beasts did the bare minimum but it especially didn’t do what bay films did WELL, action, spectacle, and transformations
4:58 I remember wanting the Maximals to fight Predacons and just be in their own movie
wouldve been peak bruh
@ indeed it would have been
BEAST WARS IS PEAK TRANSFORMERS 👌 😳 👏 🙌
i gotta see it then bro
Man, they really had a good thing going with Bumblebee and they follow it up with a disappointment
Transformers is not dead...
Transformers One saves Franchise's Transformers.
it bombed because of people deciding to oil pan the promotions and advertising
Wasn't transformers one trash tho?
One thing that people don't talk about more often is that before The Last Knight came out, Micheal Bay posted a letter on social media addressing to the fans, essentially promising that he is not going to repeat the same mistakes he made with AOE and that this film would be special and his last project. This got the fans excited but when people went to watch the movie, they were very disappointed as Micheal took all the worst parts from the previous films and cranked it up to 11. I remember even the hardcore Bayverse fans were pissed at that time.
As a die hard transformers fan, I love this movie. We cruelly got robot on robot fights. People were complaining about how it was military v Decepticons now they still complain smh
Like this movie should've been called rise of the bird lady
🤣
Pointless hub?
@@chrismaturino7938 yeah, i refrenced that funny quote
Rotb is my favorite movie, and imo not as bad as everyone says it's just over hated.
Thank you! I agree. It’s not my favorite, but I thought it was very enjoyable. Mirage was great, a breath of fresh air. Primes character arc. I liked it. Was it perfect? Of course not. But it also wasn’t bad. And it’s become one of the Transformers films that I can watch often and not get tired of it. Of course everyone has their opinions. But it really isn’t that bad.
@emocowboy96 hell yeah, same with me too I agree.
i can see this tbh, i agree very heavily on both sides i def think there was a lot of potential good but there wasnt enough for me, thanks for watching!!
@@emocowboy96 what character arc? he gets his ass beat then comes back and kicks the other guys ass instead and the heroes win like every other movie?
It's garbage😂
Between TF One and the newest Skybound comic run, TF is on the up
While I still enjoy ROTB, it is severally flawed as hell. I feel like it’s biggest issue for me is that it didn’t learn anything from Bumblebee. Instead of going small scale again and try to build up this new universe, they just jump the gun and throw a whole bunch of stuff together. Which is saddening because the concept stuff behind this film makes me wish we did get a Beasts Wars spin off or a Bumblebee 2, vice versa and then we could’ve gotten ROTB.
It also hurts more because I really like the idea of the Autobot’s trying to get used to earth since in the film it kinda works well with Noah and Mirages relationship and help Primes character arc just a little bit, this concept could’ve been explored really well during those 7 years they’ve been stranded on Earth but nope, they decided to make something decent/sub par when it could’ve been something better for the franchise. And that GI Joe crossover sure as hell ain’t going to help things either. :/
It could’ve been great but became wasted potential, and while I don’t think this is the worst film in the series (cough TLK cough) it is very far from being the best. (I love you TF One ❤)
Im ngl i glazed the hell out of this movie when it first came but ya know as im rewatching it for the 120th time...yeah I'll agree it's definitely missing that Bay touch. Like imagine if we gotta a Autobots vs Maximals during there first encounter.....man that would have been so fun.
i was glazing tf outta this when it first game out too bruh dw😭🙏🏽
Damn 😂
ROTB has heart, sincerity and above all else is a fun, breezy ride. The plot is simple and straightforward. There’s no juvenile racist humor, there’s no sexualisation of women, it’s not a million hours long. The aspect ratio isn’t changing every 2nd shot, the action, whilst basic is filmed in a way that doesn’t give you a headache. It’s not perfect but it’s miles better than the 5 turds we were cursed with for over a decade. The only thing holding these movies back is the fact that they haven’t distanced themselves from the bayverse enough
No it's not💀 It was boring as hell.
But it was just so boring. I'm not asking for the racist humor and sexism. I do demand something interesting, though.
The thing is ROTB did try to be more like bayverse the wheel jack design especially took inspiration from DOTM wheel jack. I think the movie had a good set up it was just lackluster
I personally felt like this film had a bit of an identity crisis.
It was trying to continue off the success of Bumblebee (2018) while trying to stay more faithful to the original source material, only to then backpedal to the Bayformers way of doing things (which ultimately defeats the entire purpose of rebooting these films) which included unnecessary redesigns of established characters, rushed plotline, not doing much with the Maximals and barely even seeing their robot forms, and other issues.
What hurts most is that while there’s a bit more action compared to Bumblebee, it sadly pails in comparison to Bay’s films in terms VFX and spectacle.
So while I enjoyed this film, it definitely could’ve been better. It was trying to be a balance between Bumblebee (2018) and the original films yet ended up regurgitating their respective issues. And seeing as how underwhelming it did at the Box Office, it’s probably time for a change of pace. 😔
Step 1: build a Time Machine
Step 2: go back to June 28, 2011
Step 3 break into Michael bays office when he’s In there
Step 4: hold Micheal bay at gun point and tell him not to change the ending DO NOT change the ending and never make a part 4 and 5
Step 5: escape the studio without being shot by guards
What ending?
Can we get one Transformers movie that doesn't have the humans in it? I don't care about your story, I came to see robots fight in a century old war
“Bumblebee was a success with critics and audiences, and it’s because we ignored the Michael Bay continuity. How do we follow up?”
“Let’s just make another Bayformers movie with a little more effort.”
they had like 12 characters and 4 of them actually does something and now they're adding gijoe? Not even counting the decepticons and autobots arriving to earth there will be at least 20 characters that does nothing. Imagine if they could somehow pull of a Lotr miracle and make a 3 hour long movie where almost every character has something to do.
I think they waited too long to make a sequel to nostalgiaformers, plus a lot of people were confused by the timeline. We can’t also ignore the damage the last knight had on the franchise box office.
i don't get why people call the GI:Joe thing a multiverse, they've collabbed numerous times
i never knew about that, interesting
It's alright, Transformers doesn't need to recover. It's one of if not the most resilient franchises I know of. If they made it through Robots in Disguise 2001, Energon, Robots in Disguise 2015, then they could probably make it through some bad movies.
In my opinion they tried to do too much too soon. Bumblebee acted as a perfect slow start to the rebooted franchise, which just focused on Bumblebee and gave us a taste of the overarching Decepticon threat as well as the rest of the Autobots. But then all of a sudden we’re getting Maximals, Terrorcons, and Unicron with no build up to any of those characters out of nowhere! And now they’re crossing over with GI Joe? Yeah I’m a huge Transformers fan, but even I know the live action movies aren’t doing good. And it’s at least partly because they’re moving in directions that make no sense for their worldbuilding
I was born in the year 2000, so I never saw the original cartoons so I was never invested in the animal Transformers, I literally couldn´t have cared less if I had tried. My introduction to Transformers was TF1 2007, followed by TF2 Revenge of the Fallen, followed by TF3 Dark of the Moon and finally TF Prime and very recently TF One and now I´ve been watching the War for Cybertron series which is on Netflix. I´m trying to immerse myself in the Transformers lore as much as possible. I did that with Bionicle, I have literally HUNDREDS of Bionicles and I know the lore and I´m trying to do the same with Transformers
It pissed me off how they ruin wheeljacks design on ROTB
I always like the Knightverse of Transformers, more than the Bayverse ones. As if the writers and producers were doing their best to make them more realistic than what Michael Bay brought us. Especially going old school.
Not only Bumblebee was similar to the Iron Giant, but also E.T. Charlie was a great human protagonist, while having John Cena was awesome.
Rise of the Beasts was a lot of fun when it came out. Longtime fans like me of Beast Wars were so excited to see Primal and the Maximals in live action. Wish we got to see Airazor’s robot mode. While they’re couldn’t been more Maximals like Rattrap, Tigatron, and Dinobot in the film. Especially having Gary Chark to reprise his role as Primal.
Again these movies are more fun than the Bayverse ones.
i hate rotb so much for undoing all of the building up up and rebooting bumblebee did. bumblebee is the best live action movie so far and it’s not even close. it has the best story, and desigh, human characters and other, 1 and 3 for the bay films are cool though.
This movie has nothing on transformers one (the animated one lmao)
real
Not what I expected for the start of a Jayden Georges video
I remember the hype of TF ONE…. Only for the movie to flop in the box office
I feel like some people, including myself, said that Rise of the Beasts was the best Transformers movie we've gotten in a while, probably due to the fact that we haven't gotten a TF movie for over 5 years since Bumblebee, which came out in 2018. When I first watched it, I thought it was amazing, but with each rewatch that I did, I saw the flaws this movie had. Rise of the Beasts is decently fun with many great ideas, but at the same time, it's unfortunately written in such a poor state.
It’s tragic. Michael Bay got the short term success, but damaged the franchise for the long term for creatives that actually sought to make more quality transformers films. Although Rise of the beasts is pretty mediocre so it would have failed on its own but Bumblebee and TF1 deserved so much better
We need a movie just on Cybertron with all the G1 designs that were in bumblebee
Rotb was kinda fire tho
It was, but you also have to acknowledge the movie felt like it was scatter brained.
It's simple, Micheal Bay was only interested in making Transformers 1, 2 and 3 only. And after finish with Dark Of The Moon, which is nice ending to the Transformers movies, he wants to move on. But with many reasons, Bay stuck around including BLACKMAIL, the studio told Micheal Bay that if he came back to.direct Transformers 4, they will fund him Pain & Gain, a movie that he wanted to make. But by time The Last Knight, he became SICK AND TIRED of these movies already, HE REALLY WANT TO BE OUT OF THIS FRANCHISE. So that's why Transformers 1 to 3, it has the sense of fun and excitement whil 4 & 5, lack any of that, cause Micheal Bay didn't have any passion anymore to make these movies.
It's like when Vin Diesel came back to the Fast franchise, but only if the studio paid to make his Riddick movies too
I'm going to say this right now... the script was AI generated for Rise of the Beasts.
Rise of the beasts is one of the best transformers movies
Better than TLK in story and actually made sense but I will be honest I was entertained nore by TLK, because of its stupidity.
The glaze is real💀
And i stand by it🗿🔥
Nice Video! You had me cracking up 😂 but I will tell you Scourge in ROTB was more based on the Cartoon: RID version of the character not the Galvatron henchman from the 86 movie like you state here. But great video!
ahh that’s interesting man i had no idea, thanks for watching!!
In my opinion, rise of the beast ruined it for itself, I personally thought it was a good film, but there’s a lot of things that could’ve made this movie better, like the transit scene, and the fact they spoiled bumblebees death in the first teaser 🙏, and the original ending where primal and Noah never saved Optimus and he was sucked by unicron (pause) and they showed Optimus floating inside unicron
a few good things about this movie, 1: the maximals, like you said, they didn’t really do much, but I think their part in the final battle was cool, especially when primal said “rhinox, Cheetor, MAXIMIZE” I thought their robot modes looked cool as hell
but I don’t know why they changed back to animals near the end, there’s really no point, just stay in robot mode, you’re stronger.
2: I think optimus primes VERY reasonable crash out was good, people were calling him psycho when he sliced the arms off beheaded scourge, saying “just like bayverse!!” I think his crash out was justified because scourge almost doomed the universe by giving unicron the key, and Optimus knew that, so he knew what had to be done. And The line “I’ve had enough” is cold as shit coming from somebody like Optimus.
and yes I do agree with you when I say this movie was too much, I remember hearing rise of the beasts was just a merge between the stories of two movies 1: the bumblebee sequel, 2: I think it was the original rise of the beasts draft, I think this movie could’ve benefited from being split into two separate films. The bumblebee sequel coming first, filling the 7 year gap between bbm and rotb, and then the original draft for rise of the beasts.
I’m not happy nor disappointed about the gi-Joe reveal at the end of Rotb, if the Rotb sequel ever makes it to theaters, I think they could make a really good film if they do it right, I don’t want a movie focused on gi-Joe, I don’t want an alliance between them at the transformers like they did with sector 7 in the bayverse, I want a movie more focused on the transformers themselves rather than the human characters.
Rise of the beasts is not at all the worst tf film, not the best either, I put tf one, dark of the moon, 2007, bumblebee above rise of the beasts, I think it was better then the last knight and age of extinction, like my god the last knight was a shitshow, it ruined all continuity the previous films had, the final battle was pretty good though.
shimmy shimmy yay shimmy yay shimmy yah
Roth is nowhere near as shitty as last night. That is crazy
ROTB feels like The Justice League
Why? Because it feels like there should have been like 2 or 3 movies before it.
they done my boy wheeljack💔
I have a few issues with ROTB. First Optimus sounds so off, I know in Bumblebee they had Peter imitate a person who was imitating him, but even even in that film he sounded more like Prime.
Secondly the CGI doesn't hold up to the Bay movies plus Bumblebee. If I remember correctly, didn't they get another company to do it instead of ILM?
Finally its the studio wanting it to connect with the Bay movies, which is why we have to have such dull final battles because they can't set it in a city.
It's probably because the Bay movies (other than TLK) made a lot of money. If they really wanted to make a lot of money, they might as well make a sequel to TLK. Even if we didn't enjoy TLK, most Bayverse fans would still go see another one, people didnt enjoy ROTF, but DOTM released and made more money.
All the criticisms of characters saying little and doing nothing happens in all the films, your beloved Bay did this from movie 1.
Finally someone who doesn't glaze this movie. This movie was overrated and over hyped
I just hope the next one is at least successful, it might be the last tf movie if it isn’t, I think if they use the joes like they used nest in rotf and dotm they might make it work
I personally loved trotb it’s my 3rd favorite movie tbh
I think Rise of the Beasts is alright. It’s not a great movie, but I take it over the Bayformers sequels.
Huh, so people finally stopped pretending that rise of the beast is good? Very nice
Your problem is that you’ve not watched the beast wars cartoon as I was easily able to indentify the maximals even watching the whole series on the official transformers UA-cam channel. My only problem with this film and bumblebee is the absence of Megatron and even the T. rex megatron
At this point im just hoping the animated TF ONE universe continues, thats my only hope for transformers atp. ROTB its just… fine, the characters and plot arent very good, better than Bayverse, but not by much, at the very least, even the action scenes arent as exciting as the Bayverse as much as those movies suck in stories and characters, at least when i watched those i had something to enjoy, but with this, its like Bayverse Lite, like you could see hints of Bayverse, but not quite. For example how Optimus acted, he was violent and throwing threats every few minutes and we even got an end of the world plot complete with having to find a mcguffin, but it feels more boring somehow. We didnt even really get a cool fight with any of em, at least not to the level of the forest fight in ROTF, or even the Mission City fights in the 2007 movie. Like i appreciate them trying to actually appeal to fans, but they also completely fucked up the Maximals, like they literally had no bearing on the plot, you couldve just replaced them with some random Autobots that scattered through the galaxy, they dont even explain why they even turned into animals
Bumblebee and rise of the beast are the only good transformers movies, because they actually feel like the cartoons. Even if rotb has a few issues, in comparison to literally every bay movie it's f*** perfection! Thank god bay quit.
rise of the beasts just derailed the entire attempt, bumblebee breathed new life into the franchise and was a great film. it was a simple yet effective film that did alot right, great humans, showing us the war of cybertron, and doing the g1 designs justice.
rotb on the other hand just tried to be like bay, turned optimus into a jerk for most of the film, barley used the maximials, and had a very rushed plot with unicron which should have been saved for a 4th or 3rd film. not the first film, and the humans are boring.
ROTB decided to make wheel jack more nerdy and took inspiration from his DOTM design like who asked for that his design was beautiful in Bumblebee, why do they do this smh. Domt wanna hate on Stephen Caple jr the movie had some good moments but if they can’t think of a proper plot honestly take references from transformers prime
Tbh i really enjoyed the bayverse and Knightverse and I watched Rotb 3 times in theaters, Rotb was the best transformers movie I have ever seen in theaters since it was first transformers movie I saw in theaters
i know you said you havent seen beast wars but seriously watch it, the cgi looks dated at first but you get used to it as it goes on and it only improves + the writing is goated all the way through
Me and my mom and sister loved the movie so much and we watched 3 times
The inclusion of the maximals made no sense at all
All bayverse needed was more screen time for some bots and just better writers who could keep up with the lore lets be honest.....Other than that the bayverse was great..
Bro think we didn’t notice him steal the video idea
bro think we didnt notice his fall off🤣🤣🤣🙏🏽🙏🏽
@ noooo🤣🤣🙏🏽
I want bayformers back
YES
11:37 but there were no decepticons in the movie
Tbh Ive actually loved rotb
As a fan of Bayformers, I agree that Michael Bay's TF movies are flawed and have story consistency issues. However, as bad as the Fourth and Fifth movies in the franchise are, they are still more memorable than TF: Rise of The Beasts. Honestly, I was also disappointed in this movie because of how forgettable and lackluster it was when I first watched it. The only thing I am interested in is the Optimus Prime vs Skurge fight but EVEN THAT was ... not very good to be honest.
You know, I can't deny all the complains with rotb, but Im very fond of it, I really enjoy watching it and obviously preffer it above all bayverse movies, I just enjoy the characters in rotb, specialy noah and mirage, their relationship is much more wholesome and cool than anything sam did with bumblebee, as a beast wars movie it's really bad, but for me that I don't care for beast wars, it's really neat, I want a secuel to it
tbh rise of the beasts is a great movie
11:56 they actually killed him for real for the movie
I im gonna be really serious i love this films i know the downfall of this films but idfc this films is really good in term of action scenes memorables scenes and i love this one
TIME TO SHOW THE REAL POWER OF PRIME
*optimus best line*
Now the bad stuff seriously scourge is great villian but in same time ia garbage likes he is too strong, no im not saying strong villains are bad no but serious in bumblebee film literally i i saw optimus throwing decepticons.
But seeing optimus literally can't attack scourge literally using is energon axe he can't doing nothing.
real power of a prime was so hard😭🙏🏽
Even transformers the last knight being the worst of the bay movies still did better at the box office than bumblebee or ROTB.
Even as bad as it is, at least Last Knight makes you feel something.
Not necessarily good, but at least it's something.
I wasn't as uninterested in an action film as Rise of The Beasts
Its primal not primus
Hey man 4 was actually pretty good. 5 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Bumblebee was extremely overrated. And beastwras is the only one I haven't seen. The new on was fucking SICK THO
We'll also never get the magic of the 2007-2011 movie toys or the first 3 xbox games (The Transformers: the Game trilogy not dark spark), like even transformers one in it's greatness just has shit toys, even the studio series are pretty mid. I swear bro they will never recreate hunt for the decepticons or human alliance or ANYTHING like that. And neither TFone nor ROTB has a game either lol.
Agreed!!!!! This movie is the worst the whole time I watch the movie all I hear is Brooklyn who cares and the beast do nothing it was them autobots that put in the work
BROOKLYN BABY
@ PHILLY BABY
So you think TF5 is better than this movie?????? Yall trippn
i NEVER said this😭😭😭🙏🏽🙏🏽
@ActionPackedStudios79 just making sure because thats a really bad movie 😂😂😂 granted i respect everyones opinion but imma talk about ya 😂
GI Joe ?? Lmao
Psh Rise of The Beasts was cool
how could that be u never seen Beast Wars? That's freakin classic, way better than all these shitty movies both Bay and post-Bay. Cinematic universe sucks, dude
Give him a break he was probably born around 2004-2006. Bay Formers is likely all he knows
Yeah bumblebee movie is good wasn’t that bad of a movie for me plus I did enjoy the flim so far and as rise of the beast well it was alright for me plus I don’t say it’s bad I’m just saying it could’ve done a lot better in my opinion
4:29 the true title
Rotb……..is uhhhh…..bad. That’s it.
u milking it gang
9:04 airazor
🤣 transformers raise of nothing 🤣🤣
This prime feels weak and soft imo
"be strong enough to be gentle" peter cullen
Nah I'm sorry rise of the beast was boring but definitely not worse than the abomination that is the last knight 😂
Bro that movie had me question my love for the franchise I swear lol