Does My Neighborhood Determine My Future?
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2021
- Housing policy in the United States has a long history of deepening segregation. Redlining, exclusionary lending, and targeted zoning laws have all played a role in isolating minority populations while simultaneously privileging white residents. Glad You Asked host Lee Adams wants to know how this happened, and what effect residential segregation has on your future.
0:00 Intro
1:48 Checking Zip Codes
3:08 Segregated By Design
8:32 Testing For Fair Housing
11:26 Downzoning
13:02 Property Values
16:10 Lead Poisoning
19:22 Wrap Up
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I'm 41 yrs old and grew up in a poor neighborhood in a crappy rental house. I'm the only kid of my age group from that neighborhood who went to college and graduated. I became an architect. By far the hardest part of my career was not totally breaking down when I got my first job in an architecture firm and visiting clients of upper middle income in their houses and saw how totally different other people's realities were from mine. Like life was just simple check off the boxes as you go kind of a game for them. It was impossible to relate to any of those people, even though they were all nice. At first it made my job beyond difficult, not being able to connect. I almost gave up at one point and joined the military (not that joining the army is giving up, but staying incredibly physically active would have kept my mind from thinking about my life situation). I stayed with it, but I'm still a renter and am still paying back student debt. However I recently begun to learn how to be happy for what I do have, which is a feat that I'm proud of.
Sooo basically ur saying u had a roof over your head growing up, somewhere to call home!!
There is an old Chinese idiom "Mengmu Sanqian" which mentioned that Mencius lived near tombs and slaughterhouses when he was a child, and imitated killing pigs and crying tombs every day. His mother was deeply worried and decided to move near the school. Mencius also began to imitate the teachers and students in the school. In the end he became another great philosopher after Confucius.
I used to think that this was just an old-fashioned sentence. Now I'm so appreciate my parents for working so hard to create a good living environment for me! Thank you for making such an inspiring video!
Wow, i even screenshoted your comment, it’s so true
All that came from two words?
I grew up in the projects in the South Bronx. I was lucky to get a scholarship to college and ended up going to college in Italy where I stayed. But almost EVERYONE I grew up with in my neighborhood are either dead, in jail or some version of a single mother struggling to make ends meet stressed out. American black poverty is very meticulous social engineering.
The American system is designed to keep blacks and minorities in private prisons for profit.
I think people seriously under-estimate the impact of housing/neighborhood on economic mobility. Owning a home, or even being in a neighborhood with homeowners can have a large impact on ability to move up. When people support policies that concentrate poverty and low income individuals into one area, the outcome is rarely good.
In Brooklyn, she lives on the other side of Prospect Park. I lived in Park Slope, the blue neighborhood she was talking about. It was a white, wealthy, family neighborhood. She was talking about the same library I would go to as a kid, the same parks and playgrounds I would go to. It deeply saddens me that not everyone is given equal oppertunaties.
I'm so lucky to grow up in a good region with financially stable parents
same
Agreed
Agreed. Don’t take it for granted
I also grew up in northern Virginia, went to college in Boston, and now live in Chicago. I didn’t realize how few black people were in northern Virginia until I left. Getting out of your familiar environment can teach you more than books and school. Experience widens your outlook a lot.
Sadly there is a STRONG correlation between the neighborhood(s) you grew up in and the opportunities you have access to in life 😢
You guys should do a video on growing up in small rural (especially Southern) areas vs. suburban and metropolitan areas.
For Sure! Great Idea
From my perspective, neighborhood can be more impactful than financial situation. My parents moved to an upper middle-class neighborhood (or it became more affluent over the years bc thats how the cali housing market works) in the San Gabriel after living most of their lives in the one most impoverished parts of Long Beach. Despite being the poorest person in most classrooms, I can definitely say that I would not be at the university of my caliber without the access to schools I have. The teachers paid for by neighborhood property taxes are passionate about their jobs and we had all the amenities/programs high school students desire. I'm in my last year of business school and in retrospect, I realize how lucky I truly am based off of zip code.
You guy already have lucky just because you already live in the United States, I'm from Mexico, now living in El salvador and the insecurity on those countries it's a big problems, when I was child I can't finish my studies not because I don't wanna do it, it was because the schools was in the territory of other Gangs, and if I walk (literally just walk) in that school, they will kill me.
I don't have plans of travel to United States or something like that, but just the country where you born it's a important factor.
This is true of immigrants too. My parents won the visa lottery and came from Guatemala with their family (which included me). We ended up in one of the best counties in the U.S. with regards to public education, Montgomery County in Maryland, right outside D.C. And all because this was where we had our only family in the U.S.--my mom's second cousin removed. Otherwise my parents would've settled in a far more impoverished community, possibly in L.A., Houston or NYC. McLean is in Fairfax County, which is another really great county with a fabulous public school system. In any case, I had incredible experiences with regards to my public education. I was set for life. I only learned that Guatemalan immigrants didn't have these opportunities when I went away to a very elite college in New England. That's where I met two other Guatemalan immigrant children, struggling mightily with the academics and social dynamics of the place. I was having an easy time integrating. Why? Because they came from poor communities and deprived public schools in East L.A. To them this college was very alien, and alienating. I was used to the students in this college, to what the academic expectations were, so it wasn't much of a cultural shock to me. It was only then that I realized how lucky I was, just like the reporter at the beginning of this video. That I had won the geographic lottery.
Redlining was so underhanded that it moved the people out of less desirable areas in order to make them desirable.
I still remember the first time I went to Manhattan after moving to NYC. I was in the 10th grade and went to a class trip to see a court case and I remembered wondering where i was. It was so different from the Bronx. Everything was clean and the people looked so different from me. Thankfully for me, the Bronx is in NYC so i had access to things like the summer bridge program and the jumpstart program and then ASAP in college but other states (or the rest of ny) aren't as generous with the opportunities for low income households.
I grew up in northern Virginia and now live in Chicago. There are neighborhoods in Chicago that Uber drivers don’t even dare to go during the daytime. I’m glad the Chicago Public Schools give opportunities for children anywhere to go to good schools where kids test in with somewhat of an affirmative action (lower cutoff scores for poorer neighborhoods). HOWEVER, children in some poor neighborhoods have to travel for like an hour to go to these schools, so many give up that opportunity. In addition, a lot of people in the poorer neighborhoods don’t even consider sending their children to better schools. In contrast, when I lived in northern Virginia I went to a magnet high school where some students willingly take two hour bus rides to attend school everyday (that’s four hours per day). There are so many hurdles that perpetuate the inequality. I hope we keep heading in the right direction.
The short answer is yes, you have to not only be determined, skilled, smart and Have the right people around you but you also have to be extremely lucky. So many people who are all of the above still don’t make it out of their circumstances.. kids on the honor roll with great attendance and all the extra curriculars that it would take to get into a prestigious university get gunned down everyday. Chance is the biggest factor that matters in regards to you making out of the community you were born into.
"It didn't have to be this way. " you're god damned right!
We have the same problems in France. Ironically this situation comes from good intentions, in order to reduce shanty towns the French government invested heavily in subsidised housing in the 60s. However, most subsidised housing was built in the same neighbourhoods creating neighbourhoods with a huge concentration of crime and poverty.
I lived in one, got mugged, some friends got held at gunpoint (this is super rare in France) and in my local market a person was killed (once again homicides are way less common in France than in the USA). Some change is coming slowly with the SRU law which obligates all towns to have at least 30% of housing to be social housing. But till then these neighbourhoods remain super unattractive and people living there feel as they have no future.
does the mother who moved to redding have a gofundme or something? i think ppl would be more than willing to support, including myself
BUMP! same here
So many defacto forms of inequality. People who reduce life outcomes to personality traits are clowning. So many other problematic aspects of urban planning.
i am so shocked, and sad. where i live we have one family where the dad is a multimillionaire and me and my family are middle class, and there are people who dont have jobs and are supported by the government and we all live less than 1 mile from each other. our kids go to the same school, we buy groceries in the same shops. switzerland is nowhere near perfect, but it‘s shocking to hear that america is so, so much worse when it comes to racism and segregation. great video, made me question a lot of things.
not many black people in Switzerland
I'm really glad you answered. You guys and gals presented this information so well that I feel like it could help bridge the communication gap to the people who deny the issues exist. Thank you for putting this together, and I'm really looking forward to the next chance I get to have this conversation with somebody.
It’s so important that everybody watch this
This wasn’t very april foolsy
UA-cam allowed me to leave a very rural town in Alabama called Vance. It had 500 people when I moved there in 98 for my dad's new job at the only Mercedes Benz factory in America. From small city life in Oxford Alabama to a still very rural place of now 1500. I fell in love with those people, they made me want better for myself and that's why I chose UA-cam as a career. Been at it for over 10 years now and am now living in Dallas Texas after living in multiple states for my career. I am now a father thanks to my beautiful lady and I have an amazing stepson too! Crazy where hope can take you.
That part 🔥
excellent topic. I would be interested in schools, police reinforcements, churches, how they operate in different neighborhoods.
"America, land of opportunity"
Some terms may apply
Based on how my life turned out I must have grown up in a Little Caesar’s hot n ready warmer.
Had a very similar situation growing up! Moved from a poor area to much wealthier “whiter area and you can see the different privileges.
From education, parks, design and so many other factors.
Also glad to see another Husky! Go dawgs
There's also a bunch of grocery stores and it's not a food desert.
it literally almost cost his dad $400k to be black. thats f***ing insane. literally. insane.
There’s a CNN video called “Im black and I’m a member of the 1%” who spoke of the same experience of selling their house and it being devalued because of their race.
Do these phenomena happen in other immigrant-driven, culturally diverse countries? Like Canada for example. Does the Canadian government also have similar history of segregation or is this unique to the US?
I also wonder how such housing/neighborhood disparities play out in countries that are culturally more homogenous.
In europe the city centre or ''old town''' is where the rich live and always have, they are fizically isolated from the poor who live in suburbs and city outskirts
Of course, learn about the history of indigenous people in Canada. Horrible history of segregation and discrimination that continues to this day.
and the outskirts in european cities espacially in eastern europe are hurendous and ugly and very polluted, but the centers are full of beautifull old buildings that are carred for and other stuff
Discrimination against the native people by the government is brushed under the carpet
Segregation in Canada with regards to blacks is definitely not as structured. Another difference is the majority of black Canadians are immigrants from Caribbean and Africa. A very tiny amount are descendants of runaway slaves
This is so true. I realized this with in first 2-3 years after moving to USA as an immigrant teen. I was blessed to be a in a good place and I could see how others had troubling past simply because where they grew up.
This is a great summary of a lot of research in this area. As a white man, I was surprised at how little we were taught in school about the continued structural racism in this country. At times, I still get angry about it because my views would have been drastically different years ago if I had taken the time to learn or be exposed to this. We are so quick to ignore the weight of history and ignore the sociological aspects of racism that influence not only minority communities but white communities as well. A common theme I've been learning about this topic is that we design systems that produce the outcomes we desire. Segregating communities is a self-fulfilling prophecy that white people often use to justify blaming the black community rather than years of political and institutional racism that we still enforce to this day.
I knew redlining was bad but I didn't know it was this bad.
This got me so emotional, I don't know why
Any human being with half a heart would get emotional seeing this.
This series is really eye opening. Great stuff, thanks.
This season of glad we asked is on different kind of topics than previous one which I like
Evanston now is one of the most expensive places to live in Chicago now, I would've like to see how the gentrification has changed over the years
I’m so glad your shedding light on this issue and I’m so glad you covered the systemic racism to in terms of policy makers etc. I believe racism’s latest facade is Racially biased algorithms, discriminating based on your name, postcode etc 👎🏽
This is one of the best videos on Vox. Such an underrated topic.
Holy shit 33% of a house's value disappears just because a black family used to live there... sickening
Just have to say I love this series!! Please continue~
when i saw the video thumbnail, i seriously thought i read, "does my neighbourhood determine my FURNITURE"... and i immediately thought yea, depending on the home styles in the neighbourhood ( english, modern, classic, post modern, etc), you surely want FURNITURE to match it... then i clicked and saw the proper wordings and boy was i wrong . lol
its interesting that in europe the complete opposete is true, the city centre is where the richest live and the city suburbs are where the poor and midle class lives
in africa is the opposite ,both the poor and rich live in "suburbs" ,but the further the suburbs the more lower income you are
very few people live in the city center
Yup, at least in large/moderatly large cities
Your environment and upbringing can determine your future, speaking from personal experience there are ways to change it.
As a kid, I was always told that a good school meant better opportunities in the future. As an adult, I realized that a mostly white school was what people meant.
I always found it odd that all the "bad" schools were in mostly black neighborhoods. Now I understand why.
In third world we don't even know where we live
What was the website the zip codes were put into? I really appreciate this informational video! Thank you for taking the time to research and create this!
I don't think it is a website, I guess it is a software or a web application
Opportunity atlas
People should at least start with an equal chance. America, do something
15:02 What would have made this good video much greater is providing the exact paper/providing more details as to how factors like these were controlled, like education. I can totally believe this premise and the evidence is staggering but if you are trying to make change especially with those more resistant to being open minded, you need to be transparent with the data you are presenting.
The neighborhoods you grow up in 100% affects your future/future outcomes. This is kind of measured by commuting zones and has huge impacts for intergenerational mobility and future economic outcomes
Yes. It extremely affect our future either positive or negative !
I grew up in a not too good environment. But i got some advantage because my mom is a teacher and the somewhat traditional people in that area respect teachers very much.
So whenever i started doing bad things due to peer pressure, some older guys will quickly warns me: "you can't "[smoking, fighting, hanging out late, etc], you're a teacher's son"
Will you guys be exploring how all this investment into low-income neighborhoods plays into concerns of gentrification?
Thank you so much for producing these videos
Please provide a link to the tool used in this video!
yes please! i’m honestly so interested myself to see about the place where i grew up!
Tag me when you find it!
Great story!! Thanks for sharing.
I love this series and all of you guys....thank you SO much.
Yes it does determine the future and what’s hard to accept is that we had very little control over what it was we were determining. At least I don’t have much of a recollection of this decision for me in my mind at this moment in time.
situation is same in india. in my area there is no single muslim family and it is the situation in whole india (can't say about educated places like mumbai and bangalore), flats are not available for muslims and where muslim and hindu areas meet politicians backed terrorist organisations like rss and hindu mahasabha create violence for spreading their propaganda. this situation is for middle class and muslims, super rich will find resident anywhere.
Nice, could you post the link to the map?
they said the name, just google it.
Housing segregation predates redlining and has always involved more actors than the government. In fact, the National Board of Realtors, a trade association for real estate professionals, helped create redlining policies. Moreover, before redlining, real estate developers used restrictive covenants in deeds to prohibit the sale of homes to blacks and other minorities in planned communities. This is not to exonerate government officials, but to ensure that the full picture is a part of the conversation.
I also want to add that while zoning restrictions do contribute to the shortage of housing and thus higher housing costs, there is opposition to removing zoning restrictions in some communities out of concern of spurring gentrification. Furthermore, that removing barriers to construction might not immediately lead to affordable housing being constructed.
Lastly, removing barriers to constructing new housing is not directly related to reducing housing discrimination. Allowing more market-rate units to be built in a community will not lead to greater enforcement of the Fair Housing Act. To accomplish the latter requires that more resources be committed to its enforcement, such as increasing funding for legal aid organizations that pursue those cases.
America is both advanced and behind in so many different ways.
Did not realize this came out 2 years ago. It's a sign that it showed up to me now as I am studying this exact topic for my Graduate Thesis. This is great information and a good story. There is definitely a lot more to it.
Makes you wonder if this is just inevitable, no matter how hard we try to level the playing field for everyone. And if it is possible where would we even start?
These videos are amazing! Keep going, these stories need to be told - and most importantly, listened to!!!
Once, Martin Luther King had a dream... Now, 60 years later, it's still a dream...
No link to the website/program?
I want to know what the neighborhood I grew up in says about my future.
I am so sorry for you guys in the US. It's the land of opportunities, but apparently something went very wrong. You abolished slavery, and then you created Amazon warehouses, where people work and earn too little to have a normal live. The money create incentives for politicians to support the big firms rather than the people. It is downright crazy!
Segregation in housing is the way you can accomplish segregation in every aspect of life. Housing segregation means that certain jobs are located in certain communities, that certain grocery stores are located in certain communities; it determines where parks are located, if streets are repaired, if toxic dump sites are built nearby. Segregation accomplishes so many other inequalities because you effectively contain a population to a geographic area and suddenly all the other civil rights law don’t matter.
We don’t have to discriminate if we’re living in totally segregated neighborhoods; all the work is already done. If you look at the history of civil rights legislation, it’s the Fair Housing laws that get passed last - and barely so. Dr. King had to get assassinated in order for it to get passed, and that was because it was considered the Northern civil rights bill. It was civil rights made personal; it was determining who would live next door to you and therefore who would be able to share the resources that you received. The same is true of school desegregation.
Education and housing are the two most intimate areas of American life, and they’re the areas where we’ve made the least progress. And we believe that schools are the primary driver of opportunity, and white children have benefited from an unequal system. And why is this so? Why have white people allowed this? Because it benefited them to have it that way.
Fix the lead pipes in all neighborhoods. Make sure your kids aren't eating paint chips.
Is there a link for that zip code demo check?
I guess where I grew up was as bad as low income Brooklyn or Washington DC, with 31% of the people living below the poverty line. The thing is that it's a majority white area. I never felt like it's held me back though. I'm an engineer now and if anything, being poor helped me pay for college.
okay in this video it's clear they are writing mirrored. HOW. Such Skill.
Such an important episode.
I guess the question is how do we fix it...
Someone should do fundraiser for Angel
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!
not just the US
thank you Vox for making this series. I now understand how I was fortunate as a black man growing up.
Shocking... I wonder how prevalent this is in the UK?
Checked out the place I spent the first 15 years of life. Put in the information. 29k
That would barely cover rent for the year where I live, NOT including utilities and other expenses.
I grew up in like one of the richest neighborhoods in DC. It’s sad to see how people aren’t given what I was given.
im extremely lucky and thankful for my position. but how do you deal with the pressure i was born with lots of gifts but what does it matter if I don't use it. i mean i only have the power if we work together or gain position of power. but we dont work together. also not sure how true this is but the people who protest or riot wouldn't be people actually struggling because of these structure issues, i mean they probably dont have the time, money, and energy to fight for bigger causes. so then the videos we see are mostly people fighting on others behalves. idk that just seems wrong to me
Super interesting.
I really like Lee as a host.
Someone aways got a gun or getting shot.. it's sad
This host not from Vice, isn't it? 🤔
5:55 - This moment is powerful. The face. I had to stop the video to appreciate it more.
Great information video! I just learrned how I was able to grow up loving and respecting everyone. In my small town, everybody kept their integrity in check, watched out for each other and nobody haf to lock their homes. When I finally left my town and went to college in a big city, did I reslize how different I reslly was from others. Only downfall was, we were never told what to expect outside our safe town. We learned the hard way. But, I would not have given up the ecperience I had to love live and get along with all races. Black, brown, yellow and white...we were all the same and we were all privileged . Small towns are priceless!. I was one of the lucky ones!
You're doing a good job vox. Love that this whole season is about "race"
Husky wear, nice!
I learned so much today than at my school ✨
this guy is from vice doesnt he?
Johnny Harris just released a video about how city marginalize their population via city zoning.
Short answer is Yes. But they are exceptions
Of course!!
I'd live in a tent if all the "cheap" land wasn't in a HOA with high monthly fees.
Reality is stranger than fiction- Mark Twain